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WTF?! The causes for the returning troops and the unfortunate PTSD is not applicable to a retired Grandfather who is ill. OMG! These are our LEADERS?!
TERM LIMITS NOW ACROSS THE BOARDS! VOTE AGAINST ANYONE WHO”S BEEN IN THEIR POST FOR MORE THAN 4 YEARS! Both with an R or D!

Did Congressman Kratovil even pay attention to this child’s question?

It seems to me that this is typical of our elected representatives……….

Congress only hears what they want and Congress only does what they want.

These fools can only spew back focused group approved talking points regardless of the question.

Sweep them out of office starting in 2010 and finish up in 2012. Replace every one of them with someone else. All 535 need to go home and live in the real world for a while.

Of course by the time 2010 rolls around most of the 95%’ers will have forgotten all this and will just go out for some more beer and cigs and complain about the lines at the polling places slowing down their beer run.

That is why this stuff is being pushed so hard, to get some dead time for the masses to forget before the elections. Never fails. If the election were held today it would be a rout but in 2010 it will be a new game altogether.

WTF!?!?

Seriously, how long are we as a nation going to put up with these morons?

Cared for with Health Care? The “Health Care” being doled out is pretty unhealthy. If you go to the doctor they will try to FIND a reason to put you on some form of pill so that 1) the pharmaceutical company will give them kickbacks and 2) the politicians can take away your guns. They have the whole system rigged, folks.

This also illustrates the long term costs of WAR (funny thing for such a “Christian” nation to engage in, huh?). Now we are obliged to pay for this guy’s health care (that may or may not even be necessary)?

These wars for Israel in Iraq and Afghanistan are shams.

“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. – H.L. Mencken”

That was a Freudian slip.

When the Obama a$$holes sit down to talk about Healthcare behind closed doors, this is how they talk to each other.

“Oh and don’t forget,” says Frank Kratovil, “the costs won’t get that high, because a lot of these stupid voters will kill themselves.”

That’s how they think and that’s why socialism is a mental disorder.

The people in MARYLAND, are just as DUMB, as the people from my state.

http://www.FATBOY.cc

Dems spewing canned answers that dont even fit the question. TYPICAL.

Ah yes! Good thing this Congressman realized that this kid was right wing operative shipped in to raise a ruckus!

And what a well thought out answer to this ‘well dressed’ crowd of rabble rousers and I think I saw a swastika in the background!

Dem thought process: “You see some soldiers commit suicide so that proves that government ran healthcare works?”

Huh?

FACT:
Suicides in Clinton years – 190

Suicides in Bush years – 160

Highlights of the first 500 pages only!

Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review” is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
Page 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it really says that.
Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected.”
Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you’ ll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
Page 253: Government sets value of doctors’ time, their professional judgment, etc.
Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on “community” input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

I was active duty and happy during the first Gulf War and when Bubba came in I got out. I’d never let a guy who didn’t serve send me to war.

and this act or bill be defended by his choice.

“Quote” Obama…

“With Sonia Sotomayor tilting the balance on the court,” he said, “some day police departments nationwide will be staffed with officers who know a Harvard intellectual when they see one breaking into a house. To paraphrase Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., I have a dream that one day a man will not be judged by his apparently illegal actions, but by the color of his skin and the content of his curriculum vitae.”

This black racist president wants her in the Supreme Court to destroy it, with an egotist’s resume’ (curriculum vitae), he drafted.

Obama is the worst president in 100 years.

Bush did a better job handling the economy. Obama has no clue what he is doing!

CommonSense,
Does that apply to “W”?

Frank -

Did you know I served in Vietnam?

http://www.SWIFTVETS.com

http://www.LIVESHOT.cc/billion_and_billions.htm

I support you 100%

What a moron! This was a young man concerned about his grandfather’s health care – and this MORON answers his question by alluding to the fact that his grandfather is suicidal???? WTF! How come nobody screamed at this buffoon?

poetopoet – I love the “quote” – very creative.

Your summary of the bill does not include section numbers etc. Most text of the bill available does not use page numbers, it uses section and paragraph numbers so it is not easy to correlate the two and read.

What the hell?! What kind of “answer” was that? Not only did he not address the kid’s question, but he insinuated that the vets coming home are CRAZY IN THE HEAD (did he actually point to his head and make circular motions when he said that?!?)…

“Good point…or is it? August 6th, 2009 – 3:06 pm” – Absolutely! Ask any REAL Conservative and we’ll come up with a long list of Bush mistakes as we see them – Medicare, Immigration, etc…..
But as Malkin says – NEWS FLASH – Bush is no longer the President.

Please cite your sources:
Where did you get this info?
What VERSION of the so-called health reform bill are you referring to and where can readers locate it online, so they can read further?

Thanks.

Dr. 0bama’s care = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbJTBBoDFH0

To poetopoet August 6th, 2009 – 3:40 pm

Please cite your sources:
Where did you get this info?
What VERSION of the so-called health reform bill are you referring to and where can readers locate it online, so they can read further?

Thanks.

Obviously, I got it from the same photo chop shop Obama used to get his COLB touched up and made up, google health care bill.

Good point, W did serve. Stop listening to dan rather. Remember, he was fired for starting that lie.

What a stupid and insensitive way to respond to a yooungster’s question about government’s plans for his loved ones!

It’s obvious the Congressman has been working too hard and needs some time off. A >>LOT<< of time off. Perhaps the kindly folks of his home district will give him some much-needed R&R when his term is up.

I believe that a person’s life is their primordial property, and that no one trumps yourself regarding your decisions about the purpose or use or disposal of your own life.

Therefore I completely defend Congressman Kratovil’s basic human right to commit suicide if he so wishes.

@ PoettoPoet August 6th, 2009 – 3:26 pm

Your summary of the bill does not include section numbers etc. Most text of the bill available does not use page numbers, it uses section and paragraph numbers so it is not easy to correlate the two and read.

I counted each page.

Do people watch this moronic politician, Pelosi, Reid, Franks, and not hear the nonsense that spews forth out of them

WHO VOTES FOR THESE MENTAL MIDGETS?

What would these elected fools do if they weren’t in Congress? They are barely qualified to make a complete sentence. Good Grief.

In 2010, Frank KraTAXovil will lose to Dr. Andy Harris.

He’s only there now, because of the JOKER’S voters.

http://www.moonbattery.com

This fine young boy should have pulled out a toy rifle, pointed it at this do*chebag, and said “Does the Health Care Plan cover your soon to be perforated f*ckin forehead, Congressman?”
If a Republican congressman answered a boy that way, he would have been charged with child abuse !!!!
P.S. Dr. MaryFatA$$ sucks.

poettopoet – please do not post that summary – it was compiled by an idiot – I am not in favor of this healthcare bill but Iam also not in favor of fearmongering either – I READ THE WHOLE BILL – there are no provisions for the governement to execute an order to end your life, there is a provision requiring end of life counseling and for us to have a living will – there are no provisions granting the government access to your accounts, there are provisions that allow for electronic payments to healthcare providers – I have no idea how the author of this summary made some of the leaps he did but he very, very wrong
The government is trying to artificially lower healthcare costs without examing the reasons for the costs – can’t be done without looking at the root cause – our usage – in America we bear the brunt of the world’s medical research and we use our healthcare system more than any other country in the world (if you drive the car more, you spend more on gas, oil and tires) and we have obesity, smoking, teen pregnancy, abortion, immigration (legal and illegal), violence, drug use and other factors that unless addressed and factored in to the equation we will never be able to reduce our costs.

what a sidestep to that young man’s question. that tells you loads about this congressman.

TO: Good point…or is it?

How do you explain W’s ability to fly fighter jets?
Is that not service? And if service is relevant, tell me- where did Obama serve?

Bush’s visits to Iraq and Afghanistan, along with his
personal visits with (the vast majority of) greiving families
of the fallen say all that needs to be said about his personal charachter.

Signed,

ATWP

This is what happens when the electorate stops thinking and lets the media fill in the blanks.
Alfred E. Newman was right : ” What, me worry ?”

If I were this kid’s father, and the son of the Veteran he was asking about, I would have punched this fagg*t Congressman in the f*ckin mouth, and dealt with the consequences. Kid asks a question about health care, and this f*ckin hom0 talks about mental illness, and waves his hand to mimic someone who has the mental disease. LIBLOONS ARE THE SCOURGE, AND BANE OF OUR ONCE PROUD COUNTRY.
P.S. Dr. MaryFatA$$ has a moustache.

My sister is a 57 year old farmer who has not had health insurance for 8 years because it got so expensive she couldn’t afford it. She and her 60 year old husband are awaiting the day they can get Medicare and just hoping nothing happens until then. They have worked hard all their lives to provide food for Americans and now Americans could care less about them. So here they are wishing their lives away.

They don’t want a hand out. They aren’t lazy. They just want to be able to BUY affordable and reliable health care. Is that TOO much to ask from you lame Conservatives? I thought you were supposed to be Christians? What a joke. I hope God gives you all what you deserve.

This is a source for the text of the health bill with page numbers and line numbers where appropriate and comments on meaning. It is too long to copy and paste here.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/8851473/The-Health-Care-BillWhats-In-It

***I hope God gives you all what you deserve.***

YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK!!!

He absolutely will give EVERYONE what they deserve! But, what might that be?

Health? Where do you think that comes from?

I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. Deuteronomy 32:39

Health is NOT in the hands of a Dr or a politician

What you all don’t get is that Job found out that his dead kids, and his sore boils were actually a BLESSING!

God BLESS America?

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR

AARP walks out of their planned meeting in Dallas in a huff just like the town hall meetings. AARP is a democrat lobby group and didn’t care to listen to anything the seniors had to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoMNDdQ1_h0

To Bill Folden. American’s are not saying we don’t want Health Care, we simply do not Want a GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED BEAUROCRACY that includes millions of dollars for illegals and rationed healthcare. Bill, you seem to want to take anything as long as it seems FREE. This thing is going to cost Billions and we can’t make these kind of decisions quickly. Look at the STIMULUS. Obama said the STUMULUS would keep unemployment under 8%. Liar !!!!! After 800 BILLION DOLLARS, Unemployment is now 9.5% and rising. I hate to say it Bill, but you are soooo Naive. If this plan is so good, why doesn’t congress take it for themselves? I can tell you why. It’s Garbage, that’s why. Bill, you better be careful. If you keep talking like you do “THE FOOL KILLER IS GOING TO GET YOU”

“IndyinAL ” The bill isn’t completely written yet, how could you have read “it all”?

wow… great thing to say to a 7 year old.

When petitioned to sign the Health Reform, congressional members on the finance reform committe refused to pass the bill through the senate. Do see the refusal on the home page. The refusal is the hypocrisy that has me steaming. If you continue to think that congress does not feel that they are aristocrats, watch and comment on the clip on the home page: dems refuse to sign amendment.

Amen Ruckus

VOTE THEM OUT WHEN THE TIME COMES

Bill Folden August 6th, 2009 – 6:32 pm
“They don’t want a hand out. They aren’t lazy. They just want to be able to BUY affordable and reliable health care. Is that TOO much to ask from you lame Conservatives? I thought you were supposed to be Christians? What a joke. I hope God gives you all what you deserve.”
_______________________________________________________________
You think all conservatives are Christian? What a huge generalization. You’re an idiot. Maybe those liberal pro abortionist will get theirs, eh? Go away…

Bill Folden,
There are plenty of ways to get the healthcare system under control by allowing people to buy health insurance across state lines. This should have been addressed by inter-state commerce laws before. This would increase competition and lower costs.
Also, ensure illegal don’t get free healthcare. This would lower the burden on our hospital systems, ultimately reducing costs for paying customers, which would be reflected in lower insurance rates. Place a cap on malpractice judgements. This would lower the cost of malpractice insurance premiums to the doctors, who would order fewer unnecessary tests and would drive down helathcare costs.
The way not to do it? Give free healthcare to illegals. Subsidize a government public health policy at the expense of private policies. Government doesn’t have to make a profit, so they can “afford” to offer unrealistic premiums which will drive the privates out of business and leave no competition. Let malpractice judgements continue to climb – thus lining the pockets of lawyers and driving your premiums up – a la John Edwards.
As to your incoherent thoughts on Christian motivation, I have no clue of what you are talking about. Most Christians I know are motivated to help their fellow man and give unselfishly to charity.
I personally don’t see anything Christian about a government demanding your money to be churned through the federal machine and ultimately used to enhance a current politician’s power base by buying votes. I do see people with more money in their pockets voluntarily giving back some from the heart to help people in need.

Throw them all out in 2010.

Our representatives aren’t listening. Any one of you could do a better job than these jokers. Let’s thrown out the entire House in 2010! Let’s tell them Get Out Of Our House. It can be done. They have a great plan at GOOOH.com.

If we do not vote out nearly ALL of these people in 2010.. then no-one has any right to complain once in your own self-imposed hell.

ok-the clean–non-crude version:
POETOPOET!
yer a DANG poet!
good on ya!
do we know who exactly wrote this stuff?
looks like this has been very thoroughly thought out
long ago
and i would bet this is just the tip of the ice berg

please post yer summary of the next 500 pages
as fast as you can
we only have a short time
then again
maybe we should LET them pass it
and see what they GET
these PIKERS don’t know who they’re DEALING with
and i don’t know who the (******* add yer expletive here) they think they are

WE ARE AMERICANS!

ARE WE NOT MEN?

I don’t know what COUNTRY these people think they are dealing with here
what people this is
what our heritage is
who our ancestors were
WHAT GOD RESIDES IN HEAVEN
this is WAR

AMEN
SO HELP US ALMIGHTY GOD

now they’ve done gone and TICKED ME OFF!
and The LORD, too
this is an abomination unto The LORD
nothing less
oh no
not a war of mere guns or knives or bombs
oh no
let’s not rob God of the glory
we fight with The LORD
and our human dignity
which these fools thought they could TAKE from us like candy from a baby

AND THE BALLOT BOX

THAT’s what they fear
let them be afraid
let them be VERY afraid

If a returning soldier is not getting the “kind of help” he needs for PTSD, then what this congressman is saying is that the healthcare that the government provides for their military, will be at least as inefficient as the health care they propose to offer civilians. All members of the military and their families, are in a government run healthcare system.
If a soldier isn’t getting the help he needs, then we have just learned something of what we can expect from a government takeover of civilian healthcare. If the VA is a system we can be proud of and emulate, especially after the Hepatitis and HIV cases caused by unsterilized colonoscopy equipment came to light, then we need not be concerned with the kind of quality standards of healthcare that our government already gives to our active duty and veterans, coming our way. His response was odd, but very telling.

Yes we must DO something. Check out http://www.goooh.com Perhaps a way to change all 535. Well worth your time to read this info.

WTF? We are in big trouble this young kid articulates his question like an adult. This elected official articulated his response like a blubbering idiot totally unaware that he is rambling on to a child about suicide.
Americans PLEASE stop voting for these fools, my gosh they are embarrasing and destorying out country.

That poli-tic is pond scum to speak like that to that child.
What an ignorant man.
Wonder he didn’t have the democratic union goons with the prison tatoos haul the kid and his parents away…

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