Sen. DeMint Says Health Care Debate is Showdown Between Socialism & Freedom

"They're trying to change the subject now, Mark, and trying to use me as a way to deflect away from the real policy issue here."

July 21, 2009 at 8:29 am - The Mark Levin Show
Dateline: Washington DC
dr jay   July 21st, 2009 - 1:06 am

this manchurian is risking it all on this healthcare reform initiative(fecal socialism), lets see how there’s a 25% page increase the night before the bill passes(which no one reads) and all the secret phone calls from rahm emmanuel to waffling congresspeople offering bribes or their lives ruined in the 2 days prior.
this is our scumbag potus signature moment and all of his chicago gangster socialists have pulled out all the stops. from rigged townhalls to the most rigged media since stalin we are fed lie after lie. our elected officials do not have the guts to stand up to the losers due to their own greed, skeletons in their closets, or fear of ending uplike trotsky.
to all of the acorn plants that surf these sites and post disinformation, go eff yourselves in advance of whatever garbage responses you have.

dr jay   July 21st, 2009 - 1:08 am

thanks for moderating my comments,
was it rahm emmanuel

dr jay   July 21st, 2009 - 1:08 am

manchurian

dr jay   July 21st, 2009 - 1:09 am

fecal socialism

dr jay   July 21st, 2009 - 1:09 am

stalin
trotsky

dr jay   July 21st, 2009 - 1:18 am

i get it now, here’s the same letter with a misprint
this manchurian is risking it all on this healthcare initiative(fecal socialism), lets see a 25% increase in pages added the night before this bill gets passed(and read by no one)and all the secret phone calls from rahm emmanuell to waffling congresspeople offering bribes or their lives ruined if they dont vote yes.
this is our s C u M bag president’s signature moment and all of his chicago gangster buddies have pulled out all the stops. from rigged town halls to the the most rigged media since stalin we are fed lie after lie. our elected officials do not have the guts to stand up due to greed, skeleton’s in their closets or fear of ending up like trotsky.
to all you acorn plants that surf these sites and spread disinformation, go eff yourselves in advance to whatever garbage response you cook up.

Eileen for Freedom/Liberty   July 21st, 2009 - 1:40 am

America…all politicians of all parties need to start speaking up and speaking out like the American taxpayers are doing front and center!

They should take a page out of the American playbook on how to stand for freedoms/liberties from our founding fathers and the American people!

America…is getting the job done! Politicians are just starting to follow our lead to get out the truth to everyone and everywhere they can!

Together united with one common cause to defeat the “enemy within”!

We need to start by trying to rid ourselves of this self-inflicted nightmare we are in by getting someone in Congress to “officially” ask for that “original” Kenyan birth certificate!

Then go after the passport and college records. Let us see what Bilderberg Bush-Obama has been hiding! Then let’s throw him out of office where he can take all his Democratzi henchmen with him!

America…daily continue calling your Senators/House Reps on your concerns and what YOU want…not what THEY want!

Tell them you want them to support Ron Paul’s HR 1207 that will “force” an audit of the Federal Reserve, the financial arm of the Bilderbergs!

Then and maybe then we will finally found out where the missing $70 billion/million went from the bailout!

America…we are coming together…we are working together…we will be victorious together and we will take back our country…

“YES WE CAN” MAKE THE “CHANGE” NEEDED AND BRING “HOPE” BACK TO AMERICA!

BJC   July 21st, 2009 - 2:56 am

Yes Acorn is mobilizing as we type. We as Americans have to take back our country. Obama has called on his ACORNITES to get on the blogs and push Healthcare. Look, we know how to blog to. I hate to listen to liberal lies but I am going to force myself to go on websites that are liberal and see what’s up. Check this one out folks, http://www.dailykos.com I suggest all conservatives check out this site, have an input. I have joined and will be visiting often. We can’t keep our heads in the sand we need to fight fire with fire. Visit and see. It’s not against the law to blog and believe me you will be enlightened. It will show you just how much you have to fight for. More important who you are fighting against. We have no time to sit back and think someone else will fight our fight…It’s up to YOU! Put your face out there like ACORN has, we were taught last year how they do it. It’s not hard, just show up for the fight.

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CommonSense   July 21st, 2009 - 10:08 am

America IS under attack. No doubt at all at this point.

Monica   July 21st, 2009 - 10:16 am

Keep up the good work!

breitbart freaks   July 21st, 2009 - 10:41 am

Awwww…the GOP’s new hackneyed phrase is ‘Socialism’ – what does it mean?

According to Wikipedia, ‘Socialism refers to any one of various theories of economic organization advocating public or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

A society characterized by equal opportunities/means for all individuals with a more egalitarian method of compensation.’ THAT SOUNDS TERRIBLE!!!

WOW then Daddy Bush’s 20-year war with Iraq was Socialism too!
The society the GOP served with endless war was the society of Cheyney!

CommonSense   July 21st, 2009 - 10:44 am

Hey Freak – you should read this quick article:
http://peaceamidchaos.blogspot.com/2007/01/why-socialism-will-never-work-in.html
Here:
“Why Socialism Will Never Work (in a nutshell)
Utopia, the perfect society, or according to one well known Senator, the perfect village…the theory of Socialism at its root is a wonderful theory. The idea that everyone in a society thrives, and that poverty becomes a thing of the past through collective hard work and compassion. What is wrong with this idea that so many “progressive” thinkers have adopted as their life’s ambition…simple, it does not work. The reason that the theory of Socialism does not work is complex, but it can be made simple for the purpose of this article, in short, it is a theory. The problem with a theory, or a concept, or an idea for that matter, is that they all look great on paper, in lab conditions, but when you try to enact them in the real world, the ugly truth about most theories begins to show. For Socialism to work, every member of a society must pull their own weight. Take a look around, does that seem possible to you, as an intelligent life form? The truth is that Socialist are idealistic, and if they truly believe that Socialism will work in a real society, they are also naive. It has been proven that water will follow the path of least resistance, and in many ways, humans are like water. If you constantly give a person sustenance without requiring them to work for that sustenance, they will never work. The old adage, give a man a fish, he will eat for a day, teach him to fish, he will eat for a lifetime is very pertinent to this discussion. If the government constantly gives men fish, why would they buy their own pole and bait a hook? The answer, they will not. Socialism will never work for the same reason that capitalism makes some people rich. In a capitalist market, those who work the hardest gain the most spoils. Removing the incentive for these hard workers to work, by redistributing their spoils, does nothing more than create mass poverty, it does not eliminate poverty. Look around, has socialism ever been successful? Were the bread lines of the Soviet Union a picture of success? If so, why is America, a capitalist nation, so much stronger in every facet of life than quasi-socialist nations like Cuba? Why do thousands of Cubans risk their lives every year in an attempt to reach America? It seems so simple, and in fact it is. This life is a survival of the fittest, it is human nature, and as long as humans are involved in the equation, Socialism will never work.”

Sundowner   July 21st, 2009 - 10:46 am

No wonder the country is in the shape it’s in with our dumbed down younger generations. Scientific evidence is coming to light on when the fully mature brain actually reaches adulthood. Also no wonder why most people turn conservative as they age, especially if they want to keep the money they make.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/for_mature_audiences_only_1.html

FTA: “A Psychology Today story says coddling can lead to “endless adolescence”:

Using the classic benchmarks of adulthood, 65 percent of males had reached adulthood by the age of 30 in 1960. By contrast, in 2000, only 31 percent had. Among women, 77 percent met the benchmarks of adulthood by age 30 in 1960. By 2000, the number had fallen to 46 percent.”

R.J.   July 21st, 2009 - 10:47 am

DeMint is lying just like the repubs always do. It’s not a showdown between socialism and freedom, it’s a showdown between the haves and have nots. DeMint thinks the taxpayers are here to pay for his health care and to give millionaires three trillion dollars in tax cuts. The taxpayers are supposed to give $600 billion to insurers, not for health care for Americans. I’ll bet a dollar to a doughnut, that if DeMint’s health care was on the line, he’d vote for it. The GOP motto is, FORK YOU ME FIRST.

hanging chad   July 21st, 2009 - 10:47 am

As usual, the GOP has no answers, no healthcare solutions…just keep on doing what we did in the 195-’s right and keep up the Obama mockery in the face of antiquated disaster…!

The unholy pundit monster Oreilly-Coulter-Beck-hannity-Limbag tells the GOP zombies wghat to think because Republicans cannot make up their own minds without messages from their alien ship!

Helathcare is broken. Just pretend its Iraq and we’re “liberting healthcare” == then it will be ok with grand Old People.

breitbart freaks   July 21st, 2009 - 10:50 am

hey GOP preppie -

the problem is – Obama revitilization of America’s disastrous healthcare
system IS NOT socialisim!!!!

so – go ahead throw around every defibnition you want…uintil your prettiest little republican kook Demint defines the GOP version of socialism

CommonSense   July 21st, 2009 - 10:57 am

Is it me or did DeMint not recite a grocery list of viable options that could make just as much of an impact but in a positive sense to any Helthcare issues….
Oh but that would mean that they do have better ideas, positive ideas that don’t encourage laziness……yeah keep gulping that kool aid you Liberal Troll Hacks…..
You are an embarassment to the miracle that is the Human Mind.

Too bad   July 21st, 2009 - 11:11 am

@breitbart freaks

Taking from one group of people without their consent to give to another….hrmmmm even if it doesn’t fit your definition of Socialism it’s not right.

How about this term then “Forced Charity”.
Yeah that’s better. Keep your hands out of my pocket! What I have, I have earned through my own force of determination and personal sacrifices. It may seem cold hearted but I am taking care of myself and my family, everyone else are just strangers and NOT my responsibility. Keep your hands out of my pocket, it’s picked enough!

JameS   July 21st, 2009 - 11:24 am

When trillions (!) of dollars are used to bail out rich greedy bankers, and wall street executives, we hear not much more than a whimper from you people. But God forbid, the government tries to do something to help ordinary Americans, and you start crying “Socialism!” Well, that is the same thing they said about Social Security, but I don’t hear any of you who are collecting it or looking forward to collecting it, complaining about that bit of socialism.

CommonSense   July 21st, 2009 - 11:39 am

James you have not paid attention. Most on here were equally against any of the bail outs – EVEN the crap Bush started before he left – we believe in the open market – if a company or bank is stupid or irresponsible then they need to fail. Remeber people think there has only been one – Bush had one and Obama has one and is looking to do another. The main thing is all of the spending that Bush did in 8 years was shadowed by Obama in his first 60 days.
And believe me my friend – I am not counting on Social Security at all. I’m planning for my retirement myself because the Government is unreliable.
And don’t forget that many of the issues with the banks were because they WERE stupid and bought bad mortgages – the same low income mortgages that the Democrats demanded were allowed regardless of those that could not and had not worked hard enough to afford those mortgages…….another example of the DNC pandering to the poor for their votes instead of helping people be more independent.

Too bad   July 21st, 2009 - 11:44 am

@JamesS

I was against ALL bail outs so please don’t speak for me! The best way for those bankers, etc to learn a lesson they wouldn’t forget (even jail wouldn’t do) is to have let them sink!

And I am all for the abolishment of Social Security and/or making it a CHOICE not FORCED.
Let me opt out of it, get what I have had taken from me and that’s that.

Lady liberty   July 21st, 2009 - 11:45 am

http://cbs11tv.com/local/medical.mistake.military.2.1091010.html

this is very sad watch video on right side of page

Obama Derangement Syndrome   July 21st, 2009 - 11:52 am

If money is taken from private enterprise, and used for the public good, that fits the definition of Socialism.

Public highways are one of the finest examples of Socialism in America. So are public schools, public parks and public libraries. Not to mention Social Security and Medicare. And police departments and town garbage collections and public health care and so on and so on. Even benefits provided for Congress Members are a form of Socialism.So you good people that are complaining about Socialism,be sure you stop paying into Social Security.That way you can give up all your rights to collect under that Socialist program.

Right wingers suffer from Obama Derangement Syndrome
Insane state of mind and lack of critical thinking or reasoning on issues surrounding Barack Obama

Lady liberty   July 21st, 2009 - 11:55 am

JameS July 21st, 2009 – 11:24 am

take a closer look…”When trillions (!) of dollars are used to bail out rich greedy bankers, and wall street executives,”

“But God forbid, the government tries to do something to help ordinary Americans”

Is it not the same money? all comes from ordinary Americans…

CommonSense   July 21st, 2009 - 11:59 am

To Obama Derang….
The idea that the road could build itself instead of getting money from the majority who use it defats your premise. Also the people from one town over do not pay for the police or firefighters in my town. Social Security and Medicare are broken systems that are abused by many lazy and fraudulent people and it was forced upon us by the fraud that was FDR.
Your attempts at using a term like “Critical Thinking” is the same as a parrott saying “Polly want a cracker” just because you know how to say cracker doesn’t mean the bird can make a cracker.

Too bad   July 21st, 2009 - 12:10 pm

@Obama Derangement Syndrome

“Public highways are one of the finest examples of Socialism in America.”

Hey moron we ALL use the roads. We ALL benefit from cops, firemen, military. Not ALL of us are on welfare, or food stamps or would be on Obama-Care. I would even go further to say those that have no children shouldn’t be forced to pay taxes towards schools. Why should anyone pay for others life choices?

And if I wouldn’t be tossed in jail I would opt out of Social Security in a heart beat. Just give me back what has been taken from me and that’s that. I have been RESPONSIBLE enough to determine the course of my life and MANAGE my finances such that I have secured things like health and life insurance for myself and my family.

R.J.   July 21st, 2009 - 12:55 pm

2+2=4 every time. When the poor or uninsured go to the hospital and can’t pay, the hospitals pass that cost on to the insured. So you’re paying whether you like it or not. Wake up!

CommonSense   July 21st, 2009 - 1:26 pm

Well then 2+2 = we should stop Illegal Immigration first before we address the unpaid medical that citizens deserve.
They use more medical as uninsured people than any other population.
Actually Obama would be my first choice for deportation. After all he’s an Illegal Alien.

to TooBad   July 21st, 2009 - 2:14 pm

You can op out of Social Security any time you wish but you will not get your SS taxes back. You are not required to sign up for SS or Medicare and you will not be signed up auotmatically. You do not have to give a SS number for bank accounts but tax will be witheld in advance if you do not.

Some professions are allowed to substitute private plans instead of SS and not pay the tax(like congress). Most people receive more in benefits from SS that they paid into it in the form of payroll taxes if they have a normal lifespan or need more care than normal.

Wikipedia   July 21st, 2009 - 2:35 pm

No surprise the leftists quote Wiki so often since this is an open source document that anyone who chooses to can edit. It has no credibility due to the fact that anyone can add their own political bias to the text.

The quote:”According to Wikipedia, ‘Socialism refers to any one of various theories of economic organization advocating public or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.” is accurate.

But the quote from above: “A society characterized by equal opportunities/means for all individuals with a more egalitarian method of compensation.” is opinion of the poster and not factual since, true to actual real world conditions, does not exist. It is the promise of Socialism and Communism but never manifests in practice.

Socialist countries have their elite aristocrat groups, usually the leaders making all the promises, that live the good life and far more disadvantaged classes who never see the promises come true. Castro lives in a palace. Stalin lived the good life while the rest of Russia suffered.

It is noteworthy that it is the leftists, socialists, and communists who hate America, even when they live the good life in America. Everyone else in the world considers coming to America the greatest opportunity of their lives and will attempt to get here any way they can, even illegally.

Grillsargeant   July 21st, 2009 - 3:24 pm

Our health care system is not broken, it needs more market intervention, not government. Man does not irritate the earth enough to change the temperature. I guess most idiots live in a 20 square mile radius of each other and think their refuse can actually change the millions of square miles outside their little box. The “new” economy is the same as the old economy (since FDR) except more people want fewer to pay even more. Stand up Conservatives: these liberal/Socialist/Fascist idiots can’t handle the truth.

Eileen for Freedom/Liberty   July 21st, 2009 - 4:42 pm

America…this is the beginning of a revolt of the “change” that Bilderberg Bush-Obama has brought to our great nation!

A peaceful but dedicated revolt by millions of American taxpayers who have had enough of all this spending of our money and the future security of our children and their children not yet born!

America…we called today to our Senators…got through after many rings! Told them our thoughts again and will continue to do so daily…please keep it up!

We need everyone getting involved in order to win this war against the enemy within seeking to destroy our great nation!

Keep it up…with a common goal…with a common commitment…we will bring the “change” needed…thereby providing the “hope” for a brighter tomorrow…YES WE CAN!

AND DO NOT FORGET TO REQUEST THAT ‘ORIGINAL’ KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND THE COLLEGE PAPERS AND THE PASSPORT INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE HE TRAVELED AND HOW AND WHY!

Punk Rock Conservative   July 21st, 2009 - 5:32 pm

O-ne
B-ig
A-ss
M-istake
A-merica

Enough said…

kmichaels   July 21st, 2009 - 5:56 pm

For idiot RJ costs of uninsured going to hospital and missed preventive care for unisured amounts to about 1/5th of what Obama plans on spending just on the first round of socializing medicine. You get that you misinformed dope? If you assume all your reasons for universal care are true we still end up spending many many more times money on health care getting even less results. You are a misinformed gullible little putz.

kmichaels   July 21st, 2009 - 6:00 pm

If you put the same amount of money that you are forced to put into SS into an average savings plan you would get back ten hundred percent more in return than you do with the current SS plan. That is the little part that the idiot democrats fail to mention,

kmichaels   July 21st, 2009 - 6:08 pm

The simple reason socialism tends not to work. Human nature tells individuals that if they work harder than the next guy they deserve to get more than the next guy. It has to do with rewards for effort. When a society has people that refuse to work for their own well being and still get all the same rewards the working class inevitably gets fed up with paying for nice lifestyles for drug dealers and thieves and simply gives up working. This kind of society ends up falling to pieces since common sense tells us that it is not only fair that harder workers get paid for their efforts but that if they dont get extra for extra efforts then they put out mediocre work at best and simply no work at all at worst. Human nature tells us that people should be allowed to get rich if they put out extra effort. Lincoln understood this principal quite well and said how stupid it would be for poor people to be able to tear down the wealth of the rich out of envy. He pointed out that poor people would be better off understanding that they too could beome wealthy. It has to do with basic human nature and proper rewards for effort.

WHY?   July 21st, 2009 - 6:37 pm

Why can’t they just send the ILLEGAL ALIENS BACK HOME, and then we won’t have to PAY FOR THEIR MEDICAL CARE?

Will the Health Care Bill Cover ILLEGALS?   July 21st, 2009 - 6:38 pm

Is it true that *illegal aliens* will be covered by the proposed Health Care Bill? Is it true that Republicans tried to include wording that would BAR illegal aliens from coverage, and Dems refused to go along with that wording?

What the hell are Democrats trying to DO to our country?

DROP THE WHOLE DUMB IDEA   July 21st, 2009 - 6:42 pm

How will they pay for the health care bill if SMOKERS QUIT SMOKING? Isn’t it true that they plan to pay for this unrealistic health care program with TAXES ON VICES LIKE SMOKING and with CUTS IN MEDICARE BENEFITS?

THAT’S JUST PLAIN ABSURD. They should just DROP this whole dumb idea of trying to CONTROL AMERICANS by controlling every aspect of our lives, from medical care to our housing to our energy use, to God knows what.

Just DROP IT.

Americans have certain inalienable rights, including the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of HAPPINESS.

AMERICANS, “GET HAPPY” AND PUT A STOP TO THE CRAP GOING ON IN WASHINGTON.

PASS IT ON   July 21st, 2009 - 6:50 pm

From another thread:

“Here’s a suggestion to bring down costs: Install a social security database and put INS agents outside emergency rooms. Anyone without a verifiable social security number will be treated, the transported to the nearest border crossing. Those who can prove citizenship, will be released and given a date to appear in court where a payment will be ordered based on income and ability to pay. Once word gets out, there will be an immediate and dramatic drop in health care costs. If anyone thinks this is inhumane, then come up with a better way to stop the thievery.”

PASS IT ON.

PASS IT ON   July 21st, 2009 - 6:51 pm

From another thread:

“Here’s a suggestion to bring down costs: Install a social security database and put I-N-S agents outside emergency rooms. Anyone without a verifiable social security number will be treated, the(n) transported to the nearest border crossing. Those who can prove citizenship, will be released and given a date to appear in court where a payment will be ordered based on income and ability to pay. Once word gets out, there will be an immediate and dramatic drop in health care costs. If anyone thinks this is inhumane, then come up with a better way to stop the thievery.”

PASS IT ON.

PASS IT ON   July 21st, 2009 - 6:51 pm

From another thread:
“Here’s a suggestion to bring down costs: Install a social security database and put I-N-S agents outside emergency rooms. Anyone without a verifiable social security number will be treated, the(n) transported to the nearest border crossing. Those who can prove citizenship, will be released and given a date to appear in court where a payment will be ordered based on income and ability to pay. Once word gets out, there will be an immediate and dramatic drop in health care costs. If anyone thinks this is inhumane, then come up with a better way to stop the thievery.”

PASS IT ON.

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