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Ron Paul demonstrates his stupidity by aligning himself with Barney Frank. That said, cutting military spending, actually all federal spending may not be a terrible idea, but from what I read of Frank's plan to cut military spending is simply ludicrous. To remove the capability of our bombers to drop nuclear bombs is stupid. It's a cheap way to employ our nuclear deterent. And to lower and then make known how many nuclear silos, bombs and nuclear missile submarines we employ is so outrageous I cannot put it into words.
How about we leave the military alone until we are able to secure our borders, cut foreign aid and dramatically reduce our welfare state spending.

Ron and Barney sittin' in a tree…..

He is not about to bring our military home. They hate him and he knows it. It would be counter productive to his plans.

I agree with Dr. Paul 100 percent. And I disagree with the headline for this video. It is not "a virtual retreat on international stage". It is a fundamental strategic realignment and restructuring of our military to better achieve peace, security and prosperity. And that is the whole reason we have a military in the first place.

I support a return to Constitutional principles as the overriding guide for our foreign policy, and our military's mission, effective immediately.

THE MOMENTUM IS BUUUUUUILDING Ron Paul will win the 2008 primary! I can feel it. Look at all the internet polls!

There goes RP's hopes of running in 2012. As far as I am concerned we could leave Afghanistan and Iraq and every other place overseas we have permanent bases. But part of that would have to be locking down every port of entry and our borders here and keeping our tactical advantages in the air and in the sea well trained and funded.

BINGO!

Nice to see someone GETS the end game.

hint people….more US troops on foreign soil equals FEWER US troops here at home. Do the math.

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I like your style, No quarter

If folks would end the petty squabbling about who's delivering the message, they might see the facts of the matter for what they are.

But it's just too easy and tempting to have a go at Franks, ooooo, lets talk about his sexual orientation. And Paul, well Paul's a weird libertarian anyway….who knows what he's up to.

And it's very easy to pontificate and speculate about the politics of it all when you don't have a son or daughter in the line of fire, in a winless, aimless, leaderless war. Chirping birds…..or Greek Chorus. No matter. The result is the same.

Lives sacrificed on the alter of politics.

Who cut the cheese in the White House:
http://www.goodboybo.com/2010/07/was-it-me-or-mar...

Bo

This is just another morale breaker and propaganda to bash Republicans and the military.
These are two seditionists who are trotted out to make it seem that the best course is to retreat and save money
We are not fighting to win in Afghan war.
The Dems are trying to collapse American goodness abroad.
For these freaks to argue against military budgets and at the same time vote for the insane stimulus and healthcare is laughable.

You call it retreat, i call it saving our troops lives and our money. Thanks Frank Luntz

Dont forget to add Mike ( foshizzle) Steele to the list of those calling for "retreat" !

Sounds like a sane response to a legit problem…duh.

at least TexassStomp agrees.

Most people don't like his National Security strategy but that is not the only problem with him. Even his fiscal policies are not that good. He is known as the 'Earmark King' and he thinks it is his constitutional obligation to get more for his district but that is tax-payers money and so belongs to all of us and causes the national debt to increase. Yes, he claims it's only 1%, but even that much hurts our society.

Look at what is happening to our economy. Just today, http://www.americanparchment.com reports that we just spent $160 billion dollars in one day. We are about to hit the second debt ceiling in Obama's administration and these earmarks add greatly to that.

"The Dems are trying to collapse American goodness abroad. " – ummmm American Goodness? Do we really need thousands of troops in Greenland? RP votes against ALL government spending that further bankrupts this nation, it's called a consistent worldview you nut.

Calling it retreat is nothing more than a political game like Dems use racism…

It would be best to read the article first before commenting. But based on this I can see some sensible ideas. I would be concerned about how we proceed in Afghanistan, the situation there will spin out of control if we l leave abruptly and Pakistan, which is nuclear armed, is vulnerable for a radical Islamist takeover. That would be a real disaster. But I think our presence there is also part of the problem. Reverse the situation and think if we had some foreign regime invade us here – tell me that everyone on this site who claims to be a patriot would not be an "insurgent" trying to drive them off in to the oceans.

But do we need bases elsewhere – our base on Okinawa is a sore point with the residents there – what purpose does it serve now? Troops in Korea – given the nutcase in the North – keep them there (although the troops are vulnerable if they decide to attack nuclear). Elsewhere I am sure there bases no longer needed (Europe).

As for the military budget, there is always fat no matter what part of the government you are talking about. The problem is that when cuts are made some how the fat remains and the muscle is what gets cut.

Can someone PLEASE tell me how Taguba maintains a rating of -101? Doesn't a negative + a negative always equal a negative?

Ron Paul, yet again, proves his inability to comprehend international issues, and the comments in his support yet again prove the simple mindedness of his minions

Ron Paul and Barney Frank in bed together… politically speaking, that is? Now that's a sight to behold huh? If Barney happens to try a "fast one" Ron Paul might want to slip out of bed (politically speaking) and find another bedroom and then lock the door behind him and make sure someone covers his back… and no, NOT Barney! lol

Afghanistan is rudderless at the moment but Gen. David Petraeus might be able to turn things around like he did with Iraq. The reason we're in Afghanistan in the first place is the fact that Osama bin Laden (remember him?) was using Afghanistan as an al-Qaeda training base which he consequently used to plot and carry out 9/11 with (remember 9/11?). George Bush retaliated (with Congressional approval) and we went to war – against al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and Osama bin Laden and the rest is history up until today. Afghanistan also continues to be a Taliban "haven" which before America entered there had turned Afghanistan into a strict sharia Muslim law wasteland where they we're brutalizing women and taking away their rights of coexisting in a civil society and were instead raped and pillaged and murdered for the slightest of offenses. And the list goes on…

If we left Afghanistan now, or very soon, without "winning" what would happen?? The Taliban and al-Qaeda would soon proliferate again resulting in the very same type of scenario over there again with women and children and everybody else who didn't fall in line with these sharia Muslim bastards would be raped, pillaged, murdered, and brought into "slavery" and "bondage" all over AGAIN! Does Ron Paul and Barney Frank want that to happen – AGAIN?? Apparently they do… and as such they're on the brink of causing riff, division, and dissension, during a 'time of war' and they should shut their big fat mouths and quit doing it in my opinion. To me it's as though, by their "complaining" and outspoken "critique", they could possibly be putting our troops at risk and could lower troop morale and perhaps even give the Taliban and al-Qaeda, and other terrorists, a proverbial shot in the arm to continue on in their collective fight against the U.S. and our allies. And if that's the case Barney Frank and Ron Paul should be held dually accountable. If it were me, I'd impeach them so fast it would make their idiotic heads swim. PATHETIC!!

I am a Constitutionalist and hence, Paul supporter, but I don't consider myself simple-minded. So please, by all means, enlighten me. Educate me on what I'm missing on "international issues". Tell me where he, and I, am wrong, and where you and the neoconservatives are right.

Father campbell, math 101, a negative + a negative ALWAYS equals a positive.

Some things are worth spending resources on.
The job of creating goodness and freedom abroad in the face of evil is one of those things.
America has always given good to other nations.
The destruction of freedom and free enterprise is NOT wise spending.
The problem is that the Obama admin is playing politics instead of promoting freedom.
If we are not going to try to help the Afghans rid themselves of this evil, then we should get out.
But it is not about money.

If all they are going to use our troops for these days is nation building, they might as well pull them all back and shut down the bases

I replayed the introduction to the video – nowhere does Wolf Blitzer mention where this "joint" article appears. I want to read the whole text not some encapsulated comments.

"…by their "complaining" and outspoken "critique", they could possibly be putting our troops at risk and could lower troop morale and perhaps even give the Taliban and al-Qaeda, and other terrorists, a proverbial shot in the arm to continue on in their collective fight against the U.S. and our allies."

That's an interesting argument, considering that Ron Paul received more in campaign contributions from members of the military than all of his competitors combined. Or should our men and women in uniform "shut their big fat mouths" as well?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/19...

I'm suspicious of anything Barney Frank says, thinks, does. Remember how solvent Freddie and Fannie were? Yeah, right.

So, what's the motivation here? I just don't believe Franks cares for the lives of our troops.

Also, as naive as this sounds, didn't we have two full-out world wars in the 20th century? Some say it could be because of our national isolationist attitudes at the time or of the lack of our capability to respond quickly to skirmishes that eventually flared into world wars. I would think Ron Paul is the isolationist and Frank wants to reduce our military capacity.

Is it old fashioned to think that our presence around the global is a deterrent to rogue military action?

I agree with your comments about abruptly pulling out of Afghanistan as I also stated previously. But George Bush may have retaliated but he did not complete the mission. He got distracted by plunging in Iraq. Granted Iraq's Saddam was an odious character but Osama, or at least his followers, still roam in the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan. That job should have completed but we let them escape for what purpose? Iraq was also a counterweight to Iran now we have lost that and the Shia are now on top in Iraq as well as in Iran and Iran is going nuclear. Yet too many people were all pro the Iraq invasion without considering the consequences to our other mission. I remember Rush saying that we might move on to Syria and Iran too to the cheers from his listeners.

Ron Paul is a seditionist? Now that is comical. One of the more absurd and ridiculous statements I have read here lately.

These two men told you up front that they disagree on how to spend the economic return of a reorganized military, and the return to a non-interventionist foreign policy. So why do you lump them together as seditionists? Do you even know the meaning of the word?

Barney Frank is a corrupt socialist, who does not have the Constitution and therefore America's best interest at heart. He only wants the money togive to his corrupt friends and supporters.

On the other hand, Dr. Paul, a strict Constitutionalist, not only opposed the health care bill, but he is the only Republican in Congress who has introduced legislation to allow citizens to opt out of the program, thereby making it enrollment in the Democrat Care program no longer mandatory! And "bash the military"? For crying out loud, Ron Paul was a flight surgeon in the Air Force during the Cuban Missile Crisis! And during the campaign, he received more contributions from the members of our military than all the other candidates combined. Morale breaker? Are you kidding?

If you oppose the Constitution, and Ron Paul, then so be it. But for crying out loud, at least get your facts straight, and stop the absurdity.

Barney Frank will commit any savings by gutting national defense to entitlements, not to national debt reduction, not to lower taxes. Ron Paul has failed logic and absent wisdom on in his policies on the defense of America and its interests. While I agree we should put more deliberation into the sustained basing of troops and resources in other countries, and review those commitments annually, we need those deliberation done by persons dedicated to national defense. Barney Frank is corrupt man of low character, an appeaser of America's enemies and who would not react to provocations and obvious looming attack against us. Barney Frank would spend every last dime, taxed and borrowed, on dumbutt social programs that gain him and his fellow Marxists power before he's spend a cent on defense. Ron Paul, here's some very good advice for you and Newt Gingrich: If you get in bed with a corrupt individual, you too are corrupt. I hope we won't see you next sitting on a couch with Nancy Pelosi or Al Sharpton in your bid to become President. Work with the decent folks who are motivated by a love for America, not simply a love for sphinters.

I agree with Ron Paul, we need to stop spending so much money on maintaining military bases all over the world. Most of the word doesn't want us there anyway. So consider it an experiment. Withdraw all of our troops and shut down all of our bases outside of US territory. Then sit back and watch what happens. Let the world see what it would look like without American muscle to keep the peace.

That's rather radical – all bases outside of CONUS??? We have places where that could be disastrous and then others where maybe the disaster would be to the locals who like live off the GIs and the complain about our presence.

NO ONE SHOULD EVER AGREE TO DO ANY BUSINESS WITH ANY DEMOCRAT LIBERAL OR RINO POLITICIAN WHO IS OBVIOUSLY ANTI-AMERICAN!

And…. this is why people arent taking Ron Paul seriously. There is alot that can be done, but not to this extent. Economically… Ron Paul is brilliant.

I do not believe there is anything hypocritical about taking earmarks but at the same time attempting to abolish them.

Ron Paul represents his district, and earmarks are a way for taxpayers to get some of their money back. Of course if the entire system were to be rid of earmarks, his constituents would be even better off.

His effort to inject sanity into the finances of the government far outweighs his strategic choice to place his constituents over the rest of the country, especially when his office obliges him to advocate for said constituents.

"The job of creating goodness (what the hell is creating goodness?) and freedom (freedom for us is the only objective of our troops, other countries must fight and pay for their own wars) abroad in the face of evil… "

- is this worth troops dieing and a bankrupt America? We don't have the money for welfare – yes you are right…WE ALSO DON"T HAVE THE MONEY TO NATION BUILD ALL AROUND THE WORLD! It's time for conservative to return to their ANTIWAR roots. There are better ways to fight terrorism…the simple truth is there is more propaganda in War than anything else and you are buying right into it…

I'm not familiar with the specifics, but I would imagine nuclear weapons are probably one of the most economical ways to project force. I should think nukes should be one of the last things we should cut. Intermediate levels of force only seem to encourage us to engage in nation building. In any event, our current foreign policy is unsustainable from a financial perspective.

If they were to keep strategic bases open around the globe so that we retained our needed airspace for Strikes against Rogue Nation I would be fine with retreating certain Bases, however to do a full blown assault across the bd. is ludicrous and as mentioned could not be put into words !!! Frank is just what he portrays himself to be the biggest idiot in Congress hands downs American's had better wake the hell up and put this guy out of business enough said……. !!

I couldn't have said it better, myself!

Let's see…

-4 + -4 = -8

Doesn't look like it equals a positive…

The problem is the military-industrial complex profits handily from military involvement in every perceived or imagined global threat or conflict. Generals these days are more often skilled political hacks than humble warriors. They're more often than not political lackeys – yes men- seeking to preserve and protect the huge amounts of government largess sent their way, not spent by congress for the common defense but to garner votes for the jobs that come from that spending or to enhance America's international "prestige". On top of that add the new internationalist wealth re-distribution plans appearing today as nation building and we've taken responsibility for billions in expenditures relating to propping up failed social systems, not our defense. These are impossible tasks the founders recognized would bankrupt any state. Spending without legitimate defense purpose is nothing but back-door socialism promoted by one world economic forums.

It's comical listening to the political parasites in congress reiterate how little their pet projects will cost or impact the federal debt. Simple math dictates that 535 senators and representatives each adding one quarter of one percent to the debt or a budget equals untold billions in expenditures and debt, since the need to borrow and assume debt service costs are part of every budget calculation in modern America. Then again we're not paying them for their mathematical prowess but for their peculiar abilities to disguise self aggrandizing appetite as a penchant for "public service".

The problem is the military-industrial complex profits handily from military involvement in every perceived or imagined global threat or conflict. Generals these days are more often skilled political hacks than humble warriors. They're more often than not political lackeys – yes men- seeking to preserve and protect the huge amounts of government largess sent their way, not spent by congress for the common defense but to garner votes for the jobs that come from that spending or to enhance America's international "prestige". On top of that add the new internationalist wealth re-distribution plans appearing today as nation building and we've taken responsibility for billions in expenditures relating to propping up failed social systems, not our defense. These are impossible tasks the founders recognized would bankrupt any state. Spending without legitimate defense purpose is nothing but back-door socialism promoted by one world economic forums.

Ironic isn't it, that it was President Eisenhower, one of our finest Generals, one of our most popular Presidents, and a Republican, who warned us of the dangers of any overly influential and powerful military-industrial complex, and how it could take the country down the wrong path relative to matters of war and peace.

Much is said, and rightfully so, of how far the Democrat Party has strayed from it's Constitutional roots. However, the GOP has moved a long way as well, and in my opinion, in the wrong direction. Don't take my word for it. Consider the words of this prominent Republican just a decade ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc

Well stated.

Barney Frank makes my skin crawl. There are few politicians whom I detest more. It has nothing to do with him being a pillow biter, and everything to do with his hypocrisy, his politics, and his arrogance. However, when he, or anyone els, happens to be right, then they're right. And, even if he's not totally right. if he's willing to help a man who IS right, even out of ignorance or some personal agenda, so long as the Constitution is preserved, and the American people benefit from it, then I'll support his action. And that, in my opinion, may be the case here.

Bomb the poppy fields and Arfghanistan would go to the dogs. Arfghanistan is a narco-state unable to reach civil comity for itself because the major polarities in the society consist of ignorant Muslim radicals and degenerate tribal drug dealers. You don't have to occupy a country to kill terrorist wherever you find them. Put the world on notice- allow our terrorist enemies to operate with impunity from within your borders then those parties within your borders will become the target of unequivocal total war without restraint or the slightest compunction for hand holding state rebuilding nanny-ism.

Maybe the reason those cold war allegiances worked was because they were never tested. The iron ring was the nuclear deterrent that made borders obsolete and enabled both sides to respond with such overwhelming force as to make initiation or retaliation futile. We simply cannot afford to put boots on the ground and wait until they resolve their own centuries old conflicts or cultural differences before removing ourselves.Nation building exposes our soldiers to deadly threat for the benefit of those who won't fight for their own freedoms while costing American taxpayers a fortune. Targeted elimination of our terrorist adversaries worldwide should be our goal without the accompanying compunction toward hand holding nation building.

Better WIN the WAR ON Black Panther/MUSLIM/DRUG/COMMUNST TERROR here at home first…otherwise there won't be an America left to bail out the ignorant globe again…that means replacing and prosecuting the sharia morons and communist doggLicks in Whitehouse and Congress…then on down the Czar List and bureacracy…make them pay us back every damn dime then legally prosecute them all for treason, and quickly carry out the legal max sentence. end this marxist BS now Nov2 or Nov3

we know barney is doggBender and Paul is moron on defense. I do think we should get the hell out of Afghanistan…Obama's death Trap Viet namm II…ambush…obama an antiChrist from Islam.

Good point on the liberal intention to use resources from the armed services for further useless, lapdog liberal programs but please consider this:

The problem is the military-industrial complex profits handily from military involvement in every perceived or imagined global threat or conflict. Generals these days are more often skilled political hacks than humble warriors. They're more often than not political lackeys – yes men- seeking to preserve and protect the huge amounts of government largess sent their way, not spent by congress for the common defense but to garner votes for the jobs that come from that spending or to enhance America's international "prestige". On top of that add the new internationalist wealth re-distribution plans appearing today as nation building and we've taken responsibility for billions in expenditures relating to propping up failed social systems, not our defense. These are impossible tasks the founders recognized would bankrupt any state. Spending without legitimate defense purpose is nothing but back-door nation building socialism promoted by one world economic forums.

The problem is the military-industrial complex profits handily from military involvement in every perceived or imagined global threat or conflict. Generals these days are more often skilled political hacks than humble warriors. They're more often than not political lackeys – yes men- seeking to preserve and protect the huge amounts of government largess sent their way, not spent by congress for the common defense but to garner votes for the jobs that come from that spending or to enhance America's international "prestige". On top of that add the new internationalist wealth re-distribution plans appearing today as nation building and we've taken responsibility for billions in expenditures relating to propping up failed social systems, not our defense. These are impossible tasks the founders recognized would bankrupt any state. Spending without legitimate defense purpose is nothing but back-door nation building socialism promoted by one world economic forums.

Moreover, the Chinese are showing us state sanctioned hackers can punch holes in our national defense faster than any army, air force, or marine contingent; at a fraction of the cost. They've also embarked on an international public relations program that uses their own labor force and finances to rebuild third world infrastructure while they negotiate with those countries for access to raw materials. China is currently bidding on rights to build and operate the mines in Afghanistan we claim hold billions in assets. Dollar for dollar who's winning?

"They've also embarked on an international public relations program that uses their own labor force and finances to rebuild third world infrastructure while they negotiate with those countries for access to raw materials. China is currently bidding on rights to build and operate the mines in Afghanistan we claim hold billions in assets. Dollar for dollar who's winning?"

An excellent observation. Answer to your question: CHINA

This is the debate for the future of the Republican party right now. In my opinion it makes no sense to still be in Japan, Korea, anywhere in Europe, and most of the rest of the world. Spend spend spend as Republicans we have to stop.

Sounds like fuzzy math to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDgAyAcjUZ4&fe...

Many of your assertions are true. However, the motivations of those involved in spending the money of others by government is not unique to the defense spending faction. We need selfless men and women of character in government if the waste, fraud and abuse is to be reigned in. Congress wastefully spends billions on many "complexes", like the housing/banking/investment complex, the healthcare-industrial complex, the welfare/Democrat industrial complex, the Social Security/liberalism industrial complex, the environmentalist-EPA complex, etc. The military-industrial complex is the only one in which the federal government has a Constitutional role to participate.

And please don't mistake my concerns with Barney Frank and Ron Paul formulating national defense policy as promoting our current troop and resource deployments. I simply want those with the proper motivations and knowledge participating in those deliberations. I've been in the military. I know the wasteful habits the military and Congress developed over several generations, starting about the time of the industrial revolution.

The problem is the military-industrial complex profits handily from military involvement in every perceived or imagined global threat or conflict. Generals these days are more often skilled political hacks than humble warriors. They're more often than not political lackeys – yes men- seeking to preserve and protect the huge amounts of government largess sent their way, not spent by congress for the common defense but to garner votes for the jobs that come from that spending or to enhance America's international "prestige". On top of that add the new internationalist wealth re-distribution plans appearing today as nation building and we've taken responsibility for billions in expenditures relating to propping up failed social systems, not our defense. These are impossible tasks the founders recognized would bankrupt any state. Spending without legitimate defense purpose is nothing but back-door socialism promoted by one world economic forums.

I am strictly against our men in other countries being “used” as pawns for the enemy by our government. If we can’t go in there and bomb the snot out of them…..then bring them home. Why risk their lives with such silly war games?
I’m not sure what Bo has planned but…I know he isn’t on OUR side.

IMO, I would like to bring them all home from all foreign bases, but, what if we need a base to fly out of if a war breaks out here and we can’t fly fast enough or far enough to retaliate? A couple of bases might be needed to cover long distances.

Just my 2 cents worth.

While I agree with you mostly… I feel that our military in Afghanistan has turned into yet another bloated government bureaucracy with limited RoE that put our troops at risk. We did MUCH better when all we had there were kick-ass special forces with air support. Pull back all unnecessary troops, give special forces the rights to re-grow their beards, and go native… killing the Taliban as they sleep or in their towns, without all this PC bullshit.

btw… pulling our troops out of SoKo and Japan would cause NoKo to get stupid and invade SoKo… and China to take Taiwan… damn the international consequences.

Ramstein base in Germany is still needed for getting our wounded soldiers their needed treatment, fast. All other bases? F'em, let Europe defend itself.

I'm sure NoKo would love our troops to leave SoKo and Okinawa…

You could say his example is like a smoker telling others to stop smoking and writing regulations to stop them. The problem is that he is still smoking.

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