Obama Downplays US Role in Cold War Victory After Hour-Long Lecture by Putin

"I think that it is very important in this part of the world to acknowledge the degree to which people struggled for their own freedom."

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July 7, 2009 at 10:20 am - Fox News
Dateline: Moscow, Russia
Trent   July 7th, 2009 - 10:27 am

This is exactly why people hate Fox News. Obama is actually right on this. Fox News is nothing but deception. Read “The Creature from Jekyll Island” and “None Dare Call it Treason.” Fox News wants to keep things at a grade-school level of understanding. There is a LOT more to this!

doogle   July 7th, 2009 - 10:41 am

Obama’s Approval Rating in Ohio Down to 49 Percent; 44 Percent Disapprove

Quinnipiac’s poll in Ohio out this morning has some eyebrow-raising numbers: “President Barack Obama gets a lackluster 49 – 44 percent approval rating in Ohio, considered by many to be the most important swing state in a presidential election…

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTkyMjE0N2Q5YmVjMmI5ODZjOThkMjY2MzgzOTAyZDk=

On the downhill slope it looks like!

peter c   July 7th, 2009 - 10:41 am

“Trent” you have been drinking too much Kool Aid.

Reagan and America DID win the Cold War by outspending Russia and by supporting Democracy in Eastern Europe..Obama is at it again insulting America and revising History to fit his Socialist Hate America agenda which he grew up on…and what he was indoctrinated with by all his Marxist mentors and his buddies at ACORN and The Nation of Islam and Project Vote…Ayers and his wife Michele.

You hate Fox because they are not drinking the lies and hate of MSNBC and the rest of the MSM. because they actually say the truth about your immoral lifestyle and the immoral lifestyle of the WHOLE Left in this country and around the world.
YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH..so you attack those who can. It’s a page right out of the Soviet Handbook on dealing with those who saw right though their lies. WAKE UP!

if   July 7th, 2009 - 10:44 am

Liberal crazies that drank the kool-aid will never deal with the harsh realities of the mind numbing insanity of their chosen one’s stupidity! They’ll just blame someone else and cowardly hide behind their pathetically short sighted views of the world and it’s problems.

Sympathy Card   July 7th, 2009 - 10:50 am

Trent- “Fox News wants to keep things at a grade-school level of understanding.”

Yep, they need to keep it simple so folks such as yourself can understand what they are saying.

Trent   July 7th, 2009 - 10:54 am

peter c –

Oh, did Reagan supply Russia with wheat, too? Hmmmm, might want to check that.

If you acknowledge the role of money in the conflict, how do you avoid the role of banks? And who owns the banks?

The final joke is on you. Who says the Cold War was won? Communism/Fascism (same thing) on the decline or is it leaping forward with alarming speed? LOL! They just call it something else. They call it “H ‘meland Security.” They call it “The Patriot Act.” They call it TARP. They call it a bailout. They call it RealID.

Alex   July 7th, 2009 - 10:56 am

peter c –

Oh, did Reagan supply Russia with wheat, too? Hmmmm, might want to check that.

If you acknowledge the role of money in the conflict, how do you avoid the role of banks? And who owns the banks?

The final joke is on you. Who says the Cold War was won? Communism/Fascism (same thing) on the decline or is it leaping forward with alarming speed? LOL! They just call it something else. They call it “Homeland Security.” They call it “The Patriot Act.” They call it TARP. They call it a bailout. They call it RealID.

The great shell game is that you are focusing on nation-states (the shells). The internationalists certainly don’t. They have disdain for the states but find them handy in controlling perceptions.

My mistake for naming only Fox. I should have included all of MSM. Great video on media bias – http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8383084962209910782

You know something is wrong but I don’t think you know what it really is. It is more insidious than you probably think.

CommonSense   July 7th, 2009 - 10:56 am

What an unrelenting ass! This guy is a bottom feeding, pandering slime bag!

doogle   July 7th, 2009 - 10:59 am

Hey all you leftwing Libs & wacko Dembo Dorks…your messiah is TANKING, as expected:

Rasmussen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Tuesday, July 07, 2009

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 33% of the nation’s voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-six percent (36%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of –3. Those figures reflect the highest level of strong disapproval measured to date and the lowest level recorded for the overall Approval Index

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

A NEGATIVE THREE (-3 for you Trent)….Oshyte!!!!

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Airwick   July 7th, 2009 - 11:04 am

Sorry, peter, with all due respect to the Gipper, the Russians WERE the primary movers who ended the Cold War and broke up the Soviet Union. Mr. Reagan may have called on Gorbachev to “tear down this wall” but it was Gorby who did it, not Reagan. When it looked like the hard liners were going to stage a coup, it was Yeltsin who had the backbone to walk out, face down the tanks, and convince the crews to join him rather than fight him. As I recall Reagan wasn’t there. The reason(s) the Soviet Union collapsed are complex. The communist system did not lead to a thriving economy, pollution was widespread, corruption was common, and the war in Afghanistan was a disaster. The people had had enough and the leadership, to their credit realized it. Reagan’s policies helped but the final result was inevitable with or without him.

Chris Jones   July 7th, 2009 - 11:22 am

Hey Trent,

People don’t “hate” Fox News. More people watch it than any other cable news channel. It’s the third most watched cable channel on all of television right behind USA network.

JameS   July 7th, 2009 - 11:25 am

Airwick has the facts straight. It was just Republican propaganda that turned Reagan into a “hero”. The changes in Russia were led by some very courageous leaders especially Gorbachev and Yeltsin. However, the other side of the story is that the “cold war” is not over! Watch out for Russia. The best thing we could do to decrease tensions with any and every country is to increase trade between us and them. For instance, that is why Japan and the US will never be enemies again…..our economies are too intertwined.

Pencey   July 7th, 2009 - 11:43 am

Obama, minus 3.

He’s in the toilet, tapered at both ends, and the only thing stopping him from being flushed away are those big blue lips clamped to the rim of the bowl.

Old Man   July 7th, 2009 - 11:54 am

Liberals suck eggs and hid the shells.

?   July 7th, 2009 - 11:54 am

Is Obama wearing eye shadow? It might be the angle.

Eddie   July 7th, 2009 - 12:07 pm

Well said Pencey! Great insight!

Other   July 7th, 2009 - 12:24 pm

Gorbachev became leader in response to Russia being on the brink of economic collapse if they continued to exist as the Soviet Union. Gorbachev had the world appeal to help the USSR seek help from friendly nations. Gorbachev was put in power in hopes that he could talk the world into lending the USSR more money.

Those problems for the USSR were not created by Reagan. It was just the nature of a Socialist regime. What Reagan did was force the issue by encouraging rapid military spending increases and convincing the other nations to no longer loan the USSR the cash to do so.

No, Reagan didn’t end the Cold War…no ONE entity did…certainly not Gorbachev. But Reagan did hasten the process. His policies are the reason it happened as soon as it did. He had more success than any other entity involved.

Other   July 7th, 2009 - 12:32 pm

Obama gave away the house and got nothing in return.

- Cutting missles to make our superior stockpile equal to Russias inferior stockpile? What does that get us?

- Promises to scale back the missile defense shield – what did he get for that? Permission for our military aircraft to fly through Russia to Afghanistan – on the surface good, but that gives Putin enormous leverage over us and essentially grants him our agreement that Russia controls Georgia and the Ukraine. He sold out two allies.

- Cutting back our conventional capability by scrapping bombers, subs and missiles. What did we get for that? Russia will consider buying more of our meat. Good trade off?

Obama did get the one thing he treasures most. Signing and agreement in front of the cameras.

Sundowner   July 7th, 2009 - 1:17 pm

Other July 7th, 2009 – 12:24 pm

Gorbachev became leader in response to Russia being on the brink of economic collapse if they continued to exist as the Soviet Union. Gorbachev had the world appeal to help the USSR seek help from friendly nations. Gorbachev was put in power in hopes that he could talk the world into lending the USSR more money.

Those problems for the USSR were not created by Reagan. It was just the nature of a Socialist regime. What Reagan did was force the issue by encouraging rapid military spending increases and convincing the other nations to no longer loan the USSR the cash to do so.

No, Reagan didn’t end the Cold War…no ONE entity did…certainly not Gorbachev. But Reagan did hasten the process. His policies are the reason it happened as soon as it did. He had more success than any other entity involved.
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Well said. It’s refreshing to actually hear someone recite history rather than try to rewrite it. If it weren’t for the military spending on things like Star Wars the Russians could have limped along claiming superpower status, Reagan’s policies of pushing the envelope with them brought about their own demise by them trying to keep up with the Jones’.

James K   July 7th, 2009 - 1:28 pm

I actually agree with Airwick today, surprise surprise.

On all points except that “the final result was inevitable with or without” Regan. That’s just conjecture and we’ll never know what would have happened if Regan wasn’t in the WH.

Would the US have outspent USSR if Regan hadn’t been there?
Would the US have denounced USSR as Marxists-Leninists if Regan hadn’t been there?
Would the US have taken covert action against the USSR if Regan hadn’t been there?
Would the US have the undertaken the SDI that we have today if Regan hadn’t been there?
Would the Berlin Wall have fallen if Regan wasn’t there?
Would the USSR have collapsed if Regan hadn’t been there?

C.S. Lewis is known for saying, “we never know what would have been.”

Airwick is right that “Reagan’s policies helped.” I would go a little further than that, but hey. You’d also be ignoring history to deny that the USSR walked into its own defeat.

O(sh!t)bama should never have met with Putin. Even Ms. Cleo could have told you that he would get his a$$ handed to him.

Dave, Tn   July 7th, 2009 - 1:52 pm

Are they still planning on building that tunnel between New York and the motherland?

Smokey   July 7th, 2009 - 2:40 pm

Trent, I thought your first answer was thoughtful, in that there were other figures in play besides Reagan. But your second answer was just looney — you’re saying the Cold War’s not won because there’s a Dept. of Homeland Sec. and a Patriot Act? There’s no tie-in there, Trent. First, DHS and the PA have flaws, but it’s a stretch to say they’re fascist. And even if they were, fascism and Communism are not the same thing. The West won the Cold War, Trent. That’s why you can continue spouting what you want to say, even when it’s wrong.

kmichaels   July 7th, 2009 - 2:58 pm

Ignore that idiot Trent. He is a pro palestinian terrorist moron with crap for brains.

kmichaels   July 7th, 2009 - 3:02 pm

Airwick is simple minded as ever. That creep would never agree that a republican president such as Reagan helped end the Soviet Union. However the vast majority of historians say that it was exactly Reagan and the pressure he put on Russia to keep up militarily that did them in. That coupled with Reagan helping to get other countries to no longer support Russias military build up. Airwick is nothing but a useless huffington post troll with no life, no brains, no job, no respect and not an ounce of common sense.

Gene Sarazen   July 7th, 2009 - 3:07 pm

Quote from Mikhail S. Gorbachev’s resignation speech, Dec. 25. 1991 … “We had a lot of everything — land, oil
and gas, other natural resources — and there was intellect and talent in abundance. However, we were living
much worse than people in the industrialized countries were living and we were increasingly lagging behind them.
The reason was obvious even then. This country was suffocating in the shackles of the bureaucratic command
system. Doomed to cater to ideology, and suffer and carry the onerous burden of the arms race, it found
itself at the breaking point” who were they racing? the French? Reagan won it with an assist from the Pope.

Pencey   July 7th, 2009 - 3:19 pm

I see over on Drudge that Obama referred to Putin as, President Putin.

Obama, the Complete Fool.

Trent   July 7th, 2009 - 3:22 pm

Gene – that is a mistranslation of Gorbachev.

“Best way to advance global feudal system – convince the serfs have won. Pretend communism over – I got sweet deal in California – THEY ARE GIVING ME A BASE THERE (Presidio – look it up.) Communism thriving in US – we just call it other names. Soon all individuals will bow down to the state whether it be for “security” or for “prosperity” (hmmmmm, that give me idea – the “Security and Prosperity Partnership.” I like the sound of that.)”

Gene, don’t forget a foolish war in Afghanistan against a bunch of ruthless terrorists that the US supported, ah hem.

Dr. Chicago   July 7th, 2009 - 3:27 pm

Can this guy be anymore of an embarrassment?
And worse, he praises Putin’s ‘Extraordinary Work’. That must mean taking a shaky Democracy and turning it in to a solid Dictatorship, right in front of everybody.

Obama is a joke.

Airwick   July 7th, 2009 - 3:52 pm

As usual kmichaels can read (or can he?) but cannot seem to comprehend. I never said that Reagan didn’t help with the Soviet demise; I said that he wasn’t the main factor. The man most responsible for the break up of the Soviet empire was probably another Republican and that was Richard Nixon. He was the one who managed to thaw relations with the Chinese that brought down the Bamboo Curtain. When that happened the historical animus that existed between the Russians and Chinese resurfaced putting even more pressure on the Soviets. The entire system was described as untenable and dying long before it collapsed. Reagan was there when it happened and certainly contributed to it’s demise directly (aiding the Afghans) and indirectly (star wars technology) but the simple fact is that 40 years of presidents and their administrations also contributed and it would have eventually fallen even if RR was never president.

Eileen for Freedom/Liberty   July 7th, 2009 - 3:56 pm

Liar, liar, liar…what else can be said?

Other   July 7th, 2009 - 4:15 pm


Trent July 7th, 2009 – 3:22 pm

Gene – that is a mistranslation of Gorbachev.

Gene, don’t forget a foolish war in Afghanistan against a bunch of ruthless terrorists that the US supported, ah hem.”

They were freedom fighters then. I would think you would agree with them since they hate everything Isreal…like you.

Sundowner   July 7th, 2009 - 5:51 pm

Airhead, then by your definition liberal prolonged the Iraq war by turning it into a political football for their own advantage. Liberals brought on the current recession for years of suggesting we might be entering one. Liberals playing and baiting the less intellectual of the US citizens into class warfare. You can’t have it both ways. I know that lone thought in your head has to be scared stiff surrounded by all that empty space but then the BDS helps keep it warm at night. Former/lifelong republican my @ss, you haven’t ever said a thing to date to make me believe you once had much of an intellect.

Sundowner   July 7th, 2009 - 7:01 pm

Oh noooooo! Don’t make him angry by having to explain why they dropped the charges, he might *flip flop* you to death on his arrogance.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/07/return-of-the-black-panther/

And one for the brain dead liberals. I’m thinking they’ll be about finished with the first page before they realize the article is actually mocking…them. lol

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDE3MmE5MDVmMGM1YjQ2NmVhMjJkN2I2ZTcxMzhlNjU=&w=MA==

Airwick   July 7th, 2009 - 7:14 pm

OK, Sundowner, here is a brief description of my positions. I’ll let you decide where I belong politically.

1. I am a Life Member of the NRA. I absolutely believe in the right to keep and bear arms and, perhaps more importantly now, ammunition. I also believe that private citizens should have the right to keep automatic weapons since that is what the military and some police also possess. The Second Amendment says nothing about the right to shoot deer, quail, ducks, and so forth; it was included so that the people could offer resistance to tyranny if need be. You can’t do that with a shotgun.

2. I am opposed to overturning Roe v. Wade. I do not like abortion and would encourage a woman to have a child if she could but I believe that the final decision should be hers. I am old enough to remember when desperate women were poisoning and mutilating themselves to terminate a pregnancy. As bad as abortion is, that is worse. Women (and girls) of means were able to have the procedure (while recovering from “mono”) but poor women were not. We should try to reduce abortions by supporting women who have unwanted pregnancies so that the procedure is less necessary. Maybe we can all get together on that!

3. I believe in smaller government but realize that the cost of living in a modern society means that you have to give something up for the greater good. We need national defense, infrastructure repair, and other public services and have to pay taxes to get them. I also believe in a flat tax that would simplify the tax structure and make it fairer. We could also get rid of a lot of the IRS, further saving money.

4. Dump Homeland Security. We didn’t have it before; we don’t need it now.

5. Get rid of all the Federal Law Enforcement agencies (like the BATF) and merge them into one (like the FBI). It would be more eliminate petty rivalries, save money, and be more efficient.

6. Take money out of politics. Give each candidate a fixed amount of money for campaigning, organize national debates, and ban all political ads. This would undercut the power of the lobbyists. I realize that there would be First Amendment issues but we should try something to break the de facto purchasing of political office and the corruption it brings.

7. Do something to reform health care in this country. There are things about a “national” program that I do not like but the sad fact is the situation as it stands now is broken. Everyone is in it for the bucks. The health insurance companies charge outrageous amounts for their services, doctors are harassed to the point that many of them are getting out, and the lawyers are circling looking for excuses to file huge damage suits. Maybe we can start by limiting liability claims, capping insurance fees, and offering doctors free medical schooling in exchange for a period of national service.

8. I am an ex-Marine Vietnam vet. Veterans in this country generally get the shaft. It’s nice to be thanked for service but a lot of these guys need more. A lot of us are troubled by our experiences and in some cases wind up on the streets. Mental issues are a real problem. I know that Tim McVeigh was not a very sympathetic figure but here was a case of a decorated combat veteran who was clearly troubled, and ignored, until he snapped and became a monster. The system failed him and, as a result, failed us. A lot of our guys have sacrificed a lot, both financially and emotionally. They deserve more than “thanks”.

9. I think that Sarah Palin is woefully unprepared for higher office. Perhaps she can achieve greater gravitas with time but right now she isn’t ready.

Sorry that I can’t solve all the nation’s problems in one sitting, but this is a start.

Eileen for Freedom/Liberty   July 7th, 2009 - 8:36 pm

America…any of us who lived during the cold war and saw that wall come down…know that the catalyst to bring an end to the cold war was the strength, and determination of President Ronald Reagen never letting up on them!

To be sure there are always circumstances and situations that help bring it to that point..but because of his perseverance he encouraged people who love freedom to have the courage to get it done!

Bilderberg Bush-Obama likes to give credit to no one…except himself!

He is in love with himself and wants everyone else to love him. If you have the “audacity” to speak against him, his feelings get hurt and he wants to retaliate!

He will never receive the amount of respect that Americans had for President Reagan. He only has the “false” adulation from a bunch of ill-informed and uninformed citizens who love a so called “celebrity”…they don’t have to admire…just idolize!

Disgusting!

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JUST ANOTHER PATHETIC DAY IN THE ‘DICTATORSHIP’ OF BARRY HUSSEIN IN THE LAND OF OTHER DICTATORS…RUSSIA…DISSING THE GREATNESS AND THE POWER THAT AMERICA HAS ALWAYS COMMANDED FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OTHER THAN…THE “ONE”…THE “NATION OF ISLAM’S MESSIAH”…THE KENYAN/MUSLIM PRESIDENT WHO REALLY IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE IN THE HIGHEST POSITION IN OUR LAND!

Larse   July 8th, 2009 - 1:23 am

I would vote for Airwick!!!

He/She is bright and sees through all the dumb BS!!

You ahave your first vote here!!!

Sundowner   July 8th, 2009 - 9:20 am

Nothing you have stated really causes me to change my line of thought about you Airwick. I’m sure most everyone in the US lives within the grey area between the two parties, picking and choosing certain things to suit their own agendas. It’s always interesting though to dissect posts like yours proclaiming one thing or another such as…

9. I think that Sarah Palin is woefully unprepared for higher office. Perhaps she can achieve greater gravitas with time but right now she isn’t ready.

Yet a person never hears so much as a squeak out of you as to how bad the empty suit is and just how fast he’s taking down the country. Or how you could be so naive to think that this one would be good for the country…

5. Get rid of all the Federal Law Enforcement agencies (like the BATF) and merge them into one (like the FBI). It would be more eliminate petty rivalries, save money, and be more efficient.

Boy, now wouldn’t that just make it easy as pie for a certain socialist to take over the country when he’s got the entire law enforcement community under his thumb rather than having those checks and balances. Happen to remember the empty suit’s talk of creating a civilian police force? Gee, wonder what his thought were behind that. This statement goes against almost everything republican, well conservative at least…

3. I believe in smaller government but realize that the cost of living in a modern society means that you have to give something up for the greater good. We need national defense, infrastructure repair, and other public services and have to pay taxes to get them. I also believe in a flat tax that would simplify the tax structure and make it fairer. We could also get rid of a lot of the IRS, further saving money.

I was brought up to expect to work to get ahead and by doing so you’re rewarded for the work you put into it. I’m also for a sort of flat tax so no real disagreements there but there is no way in hell a person should be penalized for wanting to succeed when others just want to be the bottom feeders and do little to nothing for advance themselves. Overall I’d say you might be slightly a somewhat moderate liberal but just because you believe in the NRA and are against abortion in no way qualify you as a lifelong conservative, republican maybe. But then from what I’ve seen from the RINO’s in congress I don’t think much of their views either. Might look into being a libertarian.

I won’t even go into your bias concerning the Iraq we’ve engaged on before or the fact you seem to love blaming it all solely on Bush. If you were the republican you claimed to be you’d have ferreted out your own research and came to a different conclusion rather than falling prey to the lemming liberal party lines. If you’re that easily persuaded you’re in no way a conservative either. So I suppose calling yourself a republican is fine if you like. I’ll still be leaning to calling you a liberal until I’ve seen you can actually look beyond listening to liberal media for your news.

H2K   July 8th, 2009 - 2:03 pm

What I think is really really funny, is that Obama is telling everyone how wonderful mother Russia is, how badly the USA acted during the cold war, and he endures an hour lecture from Putin. But what makes this the most humorous is that Putin has absolutely no respect for Obama – and because of Putin’s r@cism, thinks Obama is inferior.
Now, I don’t think that r@cism in any form is funny nor should be tolerated, but isn’t it ironic that the country that Obama wants to emulate with it’s socialism and huge government bureaucracy has a r@cist leader?

Obiter Dicta   July 8th, 2009 - 5:41 pm

This is the second time Obama has sat there like an idiot while some murdering dictator delivers him a lecture. The first one was that South American jackass and now we have the former head of the KGB.

Obama is a first class gold plated NUMBSKULL and a great credit to HARVARD UNIVERSITY, his seat of so-called learning.

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