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Good snag.
However, this does not sway me. I have the most respect for those who are prepared to openly say they were wrong. RomneyCare would be forgiven if Romney could distance himself from it, but clearly he won't. It's good to get this out and to talk about it, and for Newt do discuss it. Let's have open discourse about the mistakes of the past and the direction for the future.
Progressive is as Progressive does
No such thing as a perfect candidate for this little dealio that will pretty much decide the fate of the nation. Newt is far from perfect, but he got my vote in FL b/c I believe him to be the only one willing to really go after Obama. Things like this and my fav: cozying up w/ the Whore of Babylon on their little couch lauding the virtues of the greatest scam humankind has ever witnessed won't help, but Newt has enough brass to overcome it.
Only Newt can face off against Lucifer.
Oh and this call is not for an individual state but for the WHOLE COUNTRY …..But hey breitbart is being dishonest using his own words just like ACORN (sic)
The surety bond is the private healthcare accounts in Ryan's plan
This video is edited for a reason………to make it seem he's talking about endorsing a mandate on buying insurance. when in fact he's talking about making everyone responsible for their own healthcare
Still, it is discouraging….Have we raised no true conservatives? What is it about the great sucking drain of liberalism that sets these guys twirling around the bowl?
dioheeral saysOh this is Precious … and this joker is supposed to be a canservative
GALLUPUSATODAY POLL OF SWING STATES:
Obama 47% Romney 48%
Obama 50% Paul 43%
Obama 51% Santorum 44%
Obama 54% Gingrich 40%
annoy a liberal vote newt WHAT A CROCK! "
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Both Gallup and Pew had Reagan losing to Carter by an average of 25 points during the GOP primary………..in all their polls
ALL OF THEM>. they faked the results to do what you are doing now……discourage people from voting for Newt.
Gallup and Pew had Reagan losing by 8-9 points just before the general election… Neither every polled Reagan beating Carter
Reagan won by a big margin, Polls have always been just made up propaganda
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In anycase, the edited misleading audio posted by Morgen , who worked for Huntsman and now Romney, was coordinated with Breitbart. Breitbart posted Morgen's youtube video to thiis website, moments before Breitbart posted his own youtube video about Morgen's video to this website
He had it ready . He didnt' just see Morgen's video then later make a video, He had his ready to post them to this website together.
Breitbart needs to explain this, He may have to fire an editor or two , or risk all his credibilty
It is obviously edited to be misleading, Breitbart isn't stupid , so he posted videos he knows are a lie…….just like with the "Newt bashing Reagan videos' ……Breitbart is Matt Drudges buddy so we shouldn't be surprised he's going all dishonest for Romney
What the new video hit means……….the internal polling must not be showing Romney winning in Florida. If it did, there would be no reason for an 11th hour hit
So while the gop and tea party was fighting tooth and nail to stop obamacare Newt was LOBBING for it
G is my guy too but why do these guys keep on going temporarily insane?
Both Gallup and Pew had Reagan losing to Carter by an average of 25 points during the GOP primary………..in all their polls
ALL OF THEM>. they faked the results to do what you are doing now……discourage people from voting for Newt.
Gallup and Pew had Reagan losing by 8-9 points just before the general election…
Reagan won by a big margin, Polls have always been just made up propaganda
So?
Still better than establishment progressive Romney.
I'm starting to think we're gonna have this darn health care no matter what happens.
I've been thinking about what it will be like to live in socialized country.
Ignore that poor fool, Shawn. He's living for today.
Oh, and your "clip" is WAY out of context. So if I see you waving it around like Gloria Allred with a useless affadavit, I'm going to call you on it.
Newt is finished. No way he gets the nomination. I like the guy fine, and I believe in forgiveness but he has too much baggage. He needs to get out so we can all get with Romney and work together to get Obama out. No offense to Ron Paul fans, I like him too. No offense to Santorum fans, I like him fine. But let's get real, we are eating ourselves here and the longer it goes on the more it benefits Obama. Newt Gingrich: cowboy up and get out.
We do not believe the individual mandate is unconstitutional, we absolutely know it is.
I don't trust edited tape. This is the same thing they tried to do with Newt's criticism o Reagan, and come to find out, when the whole tape was released, He was criticizing the Reagan Administration for not being tough enough.
The establishment croneys won't allow it.
How about hearing Newt's version? This is a debate after all. I expect every senator, representative and the President to answer to us from now on. By the way, I just heard Romney's ad saying that Newt called Spanish a ghetto language. Lie, lie,lie. I heard the entire audio clip.
Romney is a serial, liar in his ads and then pretends not to be aware whats in them. We already have a serial liar. Takr it to the Convention, Newt! The truth will out.
How does President Santorum grab you never ever seened better to me
Yawn
No it is not
He is stressing the opt out , which is the personal healthcare accounts in Ryan's plan….it's a surety bond,
He is talking about the opposite of Romneycare, which forces you to buy insurance, if you need it or not, ,instead of paying for your actual medical services you receive
THERE IS no LAw against changing YOUR MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyway, unless Mrs. Palin runs for office, we haven't many alternatives.
So Go NEWt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give them A piEce of Your MIND, you HAVE Plenty to SPARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For running a selectively edited piece, Yes. Just like the Romney camp edited the video of Gingrich to make it appear that he was bashing Reagan. Complete intellectual dishonesty.
Rick Santorum is the best candidate to take out Obama and satisfy the Tea Party Conservatives.
The trouble with him is the 'established Republicans' would rather see Obama reelected than have a REAL Tea Party candidate in the White House.
I'm telling you…there are still way too may 'established Republicans' in congress who are no different than the Democrats.
Rick Santorum is the only real Tea Party Conservative in the race.
I just wish he would start screaming…get MAD…slam his fist on the podium…show some passion…get the crowd cheering for him….
The states that want to have government funded health care will have to mandate coverage be carried. At the state level, if that's what their folks want, and if that's what their state Constitutions allow, so be it. A federal mandate is illegal and a US Constitutional amendment is required to lend the federal government the power for the mandate. It is that simple.
Newt has clarified his stance on the mandate. I'm satisfied. It is no different from Romney in that states have the rights to formulate such policies, even if bad policies. States and federal government will have to mandate responsibility for payment if it stays in the healthcare business. Unlimited free health care with unlimited demand is not possible.
So we should drop Newt, someone who has come around to realizing that the individual mandate is a bad idea, in favor of someone who still thinks HIS mandate is still just peachy???
Tell that to Mitt.
This was not too long ago, folks. It is time to punish the establishment GOP and go with Rick Santorum. He never, ever supported Obamacare in any way, shape, or form, and thought all along that manmade climate change was a fraud. He never supported TARP, either. To hell with it, these fools at the top of the ticket have to pay.
The individual mandate is a product of hospitals being required to give emergency care.
Pick your poison, America: force hospitals to cover freeloaders, or force freeloaders to buy insurance.
This video has been edited to make it seem like it's something it's not.
Disgusting.
You should take some time to think about why an individual mandate is being discussed before concluding that anyone who supports it is a liberal.
In the case of Obamacare, it was included because Obamacare forces insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions. But forcing them to do that incentivizes freeloading by buying no insurance until you get sick, at which point you suck money out of the insurance company without ever having paid in. That's where the original mandate comes from.
The reason Newt has talked about an individual mandate is because hospitals are required to give emergency care, regardless of the ability to pay. There is a TREMENDOUS problem with freeloading on hospital ERs. So America has to pick: force hospitals to treat everyone while forcing freeloaders to pay their bills? OR don't force hospitals to treat everyone.
You're a weak minded individual to give up so easily.
Oh look oh look at the little newtbots scurring around to defend their MASTER you all have so much more of this to come, consider Newt is a dog the fleas are gone all that are left is the ticks
He just trounced Romney, the frontrunner, in South Carolina, a state which nearly always picks the eventual nominee.
You're out of your damn mind.
It is also unconstitutional to force a doctor to treat someone. But we do that too, and its the cause of the freeloading problem which the individual mandate has been proposed to solve.
Don't bitch about the individual mandate if you're not also willing to bitch about the mandate to treat ER patients.
diarrhea, I can usually figure out what you're trying to get across in your caveman speak, but this one was just completely unintelligible.
Until we stop forcing hospitals to treat ER patients, we will continue to have the freeloading problem. The two solutions are: 1. get rid of the hospital mandate to treat people, or 2. establish a mandate for everyone to get bonded or insured for emergency care.
This issue and the reasoning behind this whole discussion is far to complex and deep to be handled in sound bites.
I would encourage all of you to spend some time researching and contemplating before declaring Newt to be a Progressive for supporting an individual mandate. There is a reason why this is on the table, and its because we force hospitals to treat people without getting compensated.
When I heard this video I started thinking to myself two things.
1) They took Newt out of context about Reagan, have they done it again here?
2) "A lie gets half way around the world before the truth can put its boots on."
Meaning, the attack on Newt about Reagan worked and was a lie. If this too turns out to be a distortion of what was said (The tape is clearly edited. Is it edited for brevity, or for another purpose?) then what is the only conclusion we can reach about those who keep lying about the Speaker?
ShawnSen says dioheeral saysOh this is Precious … and this joker is supposed to be a canservative
GALLUPUSATODAY POLL OF SWING STATES:
Obama 47% Romney 48%
Obama 50% Paul 43%
Obama 51% Santorum 44%
Obama 54% Gingrich 40%
annoy a liberal vote newt WHAT A CROCK! "
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Both Gallup and Pew had Reagan losing to Carter by an average of 25 points during the GOP primary………..in all their polls
ALL OF THEM>. they faked the results to do what you are doing now……discourage people from voting for Newt.
Gallup and Pew had Reagan losing by 8-9 points just before the general election…
Reagan won by a big margin, Polls have always been just made up propaganda
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Reagan was not Progressive philandering disgraced hypocrite or did you forget that Reagan had style charm was self depracating and had Newt has none of these things
Newt famously asked bob dole why do people instantly dislike me bob dole famously replied BECAUSE IT SAVES THEM TIME. ie the more people see newt the LESS they like him in case that escapes you
Oddly enough, over at VerumSerum, they tell you that the full audio can be found here:
http://www.medical.siemens.com/webapp/wcs/stores/...
But i'm not able to find the full audio there. Anyone else able to?
Hes already admitted he was wrong about mandates http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeE_uE7_VEQ
Just like Reagan shared the blame for supporting FDR's New Deal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BIarJJqVg8
I'd rather endorse someone who's MAN enough to admit their flaws and mistakes than to have someone who runs away from them and blame someone else like a coward. Romney stills defends mandates, says there is no need to get angry over it, and one of his campaign advisers admitted that he will not repeal it. So a vote for romney is a vote for obomneycare.
Watch the Newtbots try to spin this one.
Or you can vote for someone who never has and never will support any individual mandate, and who bases all of his views on the Constitution.
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/
Soon or later, Republicans are going to have to wake up and realize that Ron Paul is the only candidate that is the complete opposite of Obama.
Mix passion with an insane assylum called Washington DC and you catch these guys making flyby action/reaction. I'm all for the passion and action thing. McCain had passion, he has been active, but also too many times he was on the wrong side of the street.
Newt has a few of these blurps- but then what he's done for the country can not be over looked!
Besides, in November we can adjust the congress to keep any one of these candidates from going to far into left field. I have also decided (since Friday) that Newt is the best select, one we don't have to be apologetic for.
"in your caveman speak"
Being a liberal. So easy a caveman can do it.
First off there is more to this story than meets the eye. I for one am willing to hear from Newt {unedited}, and allow him to explain further.
Secondly, how many of you voted for McAmnesty last time around even though he was for amnesty for illegals before he was against it? So dont be so quick to scratch Newt off. This isn't a big deal.
I know- right? Why is Breitbart TV starting to endorse the attack actions on GOP candidates? This has to be brought up at the next board meeting!
Still Generic Republican 60% Obama 35%
Guess what? Every poll they take every potential Republican voter can only see their candidate beating Obumer.
As soon as one candidate is left- he becomes the "Generic Republican" with 60%
I'm still waiting for my "Generic Republican 2012!" bumper sticker.
You won't have it if you vote for Ron Paul. He is the only one that actually talks about and bases his views in the Constitution.
Like I keep saying, sooner or later conservatives/Republicans are going to have to realize that he is the only candidate that is the complete opposite of Obama.
No, Santorum just supported Medicare Part D, which is just as unconstitutional as Obamacare.
Or you can vote for Ron Paul, who doesn't support any of it, and actually believes in following the Constitution.
I am just a dumb Canadian, but wouldn't all of this back and forthing over whose individual mandate covers pre existing ER visits except if you have a surety bond be solved by a candidate who plainly states that ObamaCare will be repealed or (as Romney has said, I believe) a 50 state waiver will be issued?
Additionally, what else needs to be brought into the discussion is the prohibition by state governments to allow cross border insurance purchasing, the state government's mandating a vast array of services (in return for a monopoly on health insurance in that state) instead of allowing people to buy a cafeteria style catastrophic policy. Not to mention amending the tax code to allow individuals to deduct their premiums from their income tax instead of their employers (thus giving true portability). And of course, some sort of tort reform so that doctors aren't paying thousands of dollars in liability insurance because some enterprising lawyer thinks the doc didn't follow 'industry standard' or 'best practice.'
In other words, it seems as though at every stage, government has muddled up the health care system; why would anyone expect a political candidate to have the answers to fix any of the messes?
I am prepared to incur some wrath…… :-/
Ok, so Newt bad mouthed Reagan, endorsed Obamas Individual Mandate, is more irratating than Obama
What's wrong with Breitbart TV? With selective editing like this, who needs the LSM?
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Freeloaders like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates or any number of young start up companies struggling to make it in the business world?
It is not the hospitals responsibility to provide free services.
Just another case where the tax payers can't afford the generosity of politicians.
I didn't say anything about Medicare Part D. And Ron Paul is not going to win an election against Obama.
How is he doing in the polls in Florida?
Sucks to be you….Newt is a lying, cheating, backstabbing, narcissistic, loose-cannon. Newt's got a big mouth and he's willing and ready to say anything to become POTUS. And you're the tool that buys the crap he's selling.
You didn't, but I did. Medicare Part D (in fact, Medicare in general) is just as unconstitutional as Obamacare.
Newt is a lying, cheating, backstabbing, narcissistic, loose-cannon with a big mouth and those are the good things about him!
WIth his support of the Individual Mandate there really isn't a difference between him and Mitt except Newt can't keep it in his pants.
A reminder for all you deluded Newtonians:
Newt supported the Individual Mandate for 10+ years!
Lobbyist for Fannie/Freddie
Advocated of Global Warming
Remember Newt and Pelosi sitting on the Global Warming couch of love together?
Supported Cap and Trade
Newt called Paul Ryan's beautiful Medicare Reform plan "Right-Wing Social Engineering"
Supported TARP
Supports Amnesty
You are DELUDED…go look at the video Breitbart just posted of Newt lying about his support for the Individual Mandate.
Yes!! Finally someone that's not a freaking Newtbot! It doesn't matter what Newt does or says. These idiots will shoot themselves in the head if Newt told them to.
All the Newtbots are voting you down!
And you obviously have none to spare.
That's because Newt didn't give you instructions on how to speak/understand sane and rational.
Right on!
Dude your not going to be happy till Newt replaces all of the media with pro-Newt 24/7 tv/internet/radio
Stop! Don't get thinking and being programmed confused with each other! Newt did not program you to think for yourself. Now go back to being a good Newtbot.
Dude you're really a tool.
Doctor's can't refuse to treat anyone in dire need of care! Its called the Hippocratic oath. Too bad Newt didn't program you with that information.
And as for the rest of your piss, poor argument government is the reason why health care prices are so high and not because there isn't an individual mandate.
1. All hospitals have to buy all their supplies from a government list of suppliers. Competition is stifled as it is the government controlling who can sell and who can't. No competition equals high prices.
2. Illegal aliens get free healthcare regardless of an Individual Mandate or not. To pay for the health care costs of those that don't pay their bills hospitals increase prices on those who do pay. Close the borders and get rid of the illegals.
3. All healthcare professionals attend at least 2 years of college. Hospitals are staffed by people who have massive amounts of student loans. Payroll has increased along with tuition; reduce the cost of tuition and you can begin to lower medical costs.
4. All health care providers have to have expensive medical malpractice insurance thanks to a tort happy country. That expense is passed on to those out there who pay their bills thus increasing the cost of health care.
5. Insurance companies pay for everything and not individuals. If individuals had to pay their own health care bills there is no way in hell we would be in this situation. Since the majority of the people out there paying their bills have medical insurance no one ever really complains about the high prices as its the insurance companies that foot the bill. And when the insurance company complains about the bill they get pulled into court or labeled baby-killers by unthinking tools such as yourself.
and the list goes on and on…
Individual Mandates is not the answer to the problem; its a far more complex problem than your limited programming allows you to compute.
Rick needs to step up to the plate…show some passion…he needs to get angry…he needs to start bashing the Liberal Media…he needs to start slamming his fists on the podium…he needs to take off that silly sweater on LIVE TV and say…"That's it….I'm taking off my silly sweater…time to bash some Liberal heads"
What ths planned attack by Romney's gimp Morgen , NRO and Breitbart proves is that their internal polls don't have Romney winning in Florida
There would be no reason to plan such an obvious coordinated attack if Romney was actually polling 16 points ahead.
Breitbart is not stupid He knows the audio was edited to make it mean something it does not.
Andrew Breitbart needs to answer for this
Thank you!
And your AVI is a kitty with a watermellon shell on it's head. Hiyeap. It's all so wrong. Vote Ron Paul, he's purr-fect!
Ew- I think I might have just coughed up a hair ball!
lol
Don't mistake my frustration with Newt for support for Ron Paul or Romney. If I lived in Florida I would probably vote for Rick. If Newt wins I will vote for him just like I did McCain in 2008…*gag* *cough* *hairball*
The word "MANDATATE" is never used. Nothing is here to make him a liar. Dems have been after this legislation for 80 years using ever trick in the playbook to preasure legislators, give Newt a break. He's said he'll repeal Obama Care: let's keep him to his word.
Good post, well documented, thanks for the help.
I don't get the Newt supporters at all. If you're a purist, go for Santorum for god's sake. He won't win either, but at least you won't have to defend the anti-capitalist OWS talking points Newt blurts out without even seeming to realize it. The assumption that Newt would govern as a conservative is BASED ON WHAT? He's got a whacky idea every time he opens his mouth, only some of which are conservative. Who the hell knows what he'd do in office.
Love Santorum- I'm kind of afraid the level of deviancy in DC is going to bend him around their li'l finger. I'll be offering my letter of support of Newt tomorrow (wasn't an overnight tingle up my leg type of decision)- Here';s what I wrote about Santorum (only an opinion mind you)
Rick Santorum- He’s a beautiful man with a beautiful family and a solid faith, and in a less turbulent political time I’d vote for him in a heartbeat. I’d be fearing for his soul to send him in to face what the next president has to face to bring this country back from the edge. It’s like sending a seminarian out to tell harden drunks why they should sober up and find God. These sick politicians in DC will deceive him, use him, rob him blind, beat him up and leave him for dead. Not that I care that much for him personally, but it would be worse for the country. We can’t send him down to the trenches to try to deal with these dredges of human existence we call politicians!
Based on his decades of service as a Congressman in the 80's and 90's.
IE: Based on his actions, not his words.
Oh great, now Santorum's army of militant progressive social conservatives is going to scold me for not supporting his anti-free market tax plan and anti-liberty economic policies.
"It is not the hospitals responsibility to provide free services."
I KNOW!!!!!! It shouldn't be their responsibility. But legally, it is. Its THE LAW currently. Hospitals MUST provide Emergency Room care regardless of whether the patient is insured or can pay.
Got that? IT IS CURRENTLY THE LAW THAT HOSPITALS MUST PROVIDE FREE ER CARE.
And WTF do you mean "Freeloaders like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates"? Are you smoking crack? Where are you coming from and where are you going with this thought?
And Santorum is a militant social conservative who doesn't give two s**ts about the free market and wants to pander to blue collar manufacturing workers with his diabolically terrible tax plan. He's also a whiny a**h*le.
He's suffered because Romney's been carpetbombing his campaign with millions in attack ads throughout the state.
Whatever the reasons may be, he is losing momentum. Another video right here on Breitbart points out he said he never wanted a mandate on government health care and then proceeds to show that he did. Given that this is his main vehicle for attacking Romney's conservatism, he is now shooting blanks. Like I said, I like him just fine, but even people that worked with Reagan are saying he was more of a hassle to Reagan than anything positive. So, in spite of the thumbs down I received initially it would seem that my point stands: the longer candidates stay in for no reason, the more it helps Obama. Therefore, those who can only make a negative impact should get out of the race soon.
Why the unflattering pic of newt at the link?
We'll be seeing plenty of them from the msm, especially if he gets the nomination.
Umm , Reagan left his first wife in a Hollywood divorce, moron.
No one in Ameirca has declared "divorce" to be some immoral thing……tht's the British Royal family,
Newt is NOT a capital P -Progressive. , he's for lower case -p progress.
Stop listineing to mormon Glenn Beck, he's rotting your brain
Oh..and The Dems won't bomb the crap outta Newt's baggage?
Obama is the issue.
I don't know why you're going off on this unconstitutional kick. It is enough to say that the program is an expansion of the welfare state. Of course, we know the General Welfare Clause, the Interstate Commerce Clause, and other clauses of The Constitution have been misconstrued. But the courts, for whatever ridiculous reasons, have upheld them. We shouldn't make this line of attack, and to imply that just because Ron Paul is more faithful to The Constitution doesn't mean he can be elected. I challenge you, for example, to tell me what Reagan did that was unconstitutional.
Depends upon how much you need…
Where am I, The Blaze??
Post the entire call.
All these similar attacks against Newt Gingrich are lies by omission. I don't think anyone closely following this is shocked that Gingrich supported the individual mandate. We know that. If support for the individual mandate is so bad, why aren't you screaming about Romney's support for, and intention to implement it, TODAY! I cannot tell you how disappointed and disillusioned I've become with so-called "conservative" alternative media. You, and others, have completely let the American people down with this Romney pumping BS.
Shock of shocks. Breitbart sites finally examining Newts record.
Bravo!
There is nothing to distance himself from. Romneycare was something that was tried in a wealthy state and not on a national level.
I thought Brietbart was brighter and more thorough in his "journalism" standards but he apparently is going the way of Drudge and National Review Online. This clip was edited. I'm heading to more reliable sites. BTW…who cares anyway? Gingrich is still the best person to beat Obama. Have you even read his plans for health care? He's been working on it for years.
<RANT ON>
Looks like I have to go elsewhere in my never-ending quest for unbiased news sites. It's clear to me that Breitbart has joined Drudge, Obama, et al, in the politics of personal destruction. The anti-articles far outnumber the pro-articles and are too often based on "oldie" information in new clothes, often accompanied by the most unflattering pictures BB can find. I'm getting sick of the whole mess, I want discussion of ISSUES, not personal flames. Yes, I knew what I was getting into when I began attending here. But it's out of hand.
I don't care if Romney is a Mormon. I don't care if Newt is on his third wife. I don't even care anymore if Paul is a ditz. Slander and pecker wars and recycling clips from the Bronze Age are deliberate steers away from TODAY'S problems and issues. And floating above the fray, Barak HUSSEIN smiles and continues feeding the Constitution into the paper shredder.
I begin the quest for a less partisan site, feeling dismally like Don Quixote on one of his doomed exploits.
Oh, and the resident whack-jobs can have a field day piling the negative thumbies on; I never cared about juvenile scores. This is NOT a damn video game, children.
Adios, and <RANT OFF>
RON PAUL 2012! http://www.ronpaul2012.com/
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Oh this is Precious … and this joker is supposed to be a canservative
GALLUPUSATODAY POLL OF SWING STATES:
Obama 47% Romney 48%
Obama 50% Paul 43%
Obama 51% Santorum 44%
Obama 54% Gingrich 40%
annoy a liberal vote newt WHAT A CROCK!