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Sue the Crap out of all those traitors !!!
people have twisted "free speech". Just because you have it doesn't mean you can say anything you want. You can't yell FIRE in a crowded movie theater for example if there is no fire. If this sign was felt to have caused violence at the fair the guards have the right to remove it. I MEAN LOOK what happened. The guy wanted to cause a riot and he almost did. DO NOT go blaming cops so fast. Most do what they think is right.
You guys need to watch the whole video. A little disingenuous of breitbart to start the video where he did I think. The cops asked nicely for him to move for 3 minutes or more even as the guy was yelling at the top of his lungs. He wanted this to happen. This whole thing is being twisted. The cops called it in and probably checked what they should do. What? You guys think Obama called this in to put the man away? Bull.
I will get rated down of course because I don't jump to conclusions and I actually watch the whole video.
We don't know the whole story so I wouldn't be so quick to judge the security guards.
also the guy is a LaRouche supporter. My guess is he doesn't like Palin. I thought only conservatives held signs of obama as hitler…
There's a really good "Oath Keepers" article posted on, "American Thinker-today, everyone should get a look at.
I mailed it to myself, and will be mailing a copy of it tomorrow to our newly appointed chief of police here.
It's time all elected officials, police, sheriffs and their duputies… anyone that must take the oath to serve and protect the United States Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic to hold the job they have, to retake that oath in a public forum.
These guys are so far out of line-here, it's sickening. I hope that old guy has his hand in their pockets the rest of their lives.
The cop should be fired and the security and state police should be sued. The people should have intervened. Notice the trooper got the hell out of there after he thought about his actions.
Cuffed and arrested (?) for an anti-obama sighn?? Your Freedom is in jepordy. Was anyone ever arrested for holding an anti-Bush sign? Vote all democrats out. A vote for a democrat is a vote for socialism. Thank you Obama and party.
You can't say bad things about the great one Obama. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same.
Yea, and whats with that stupid cop? He does need to be fired. What a mess.
What "fire" are you talking about you dim bulb. Go submit to the 300 lb. slobs and spread your legs.
Impeach the liar! Lemmings of the world unite behind Kenya Slim.
obama thugs. Bring your second admendment article to PROTECT yourselves from obama thugs. In most states you have the right to protect yourself.
Yet yesterday, I was in front of the Whitehouse, towelheads were protesting with plastic bottles of a "liquid" to hold ANTI-American signs and the obama thugs did NOTHING.
Bottom line, if you go into the obama thug areas, make sure you have a permit to carry and your defense item
Look the cops removed him because he was being a public disburance with his yelling. At the beginning of the video a guy was saying this man was breaking the rules because he didn't pay for a booth. The cops I bet were telling him to leave since he wasn't following the rules and the man started all this trouble.
It is clear the camera guy is with him. They are wacko left wing LaRouche people. DO NOT TRUST them. They are only pretending to be conservative.
The point is that the guy was trying to cause a disturbance. It is clear the camera guy is with him too. They didn't pay for a booth and broke the rules (as was said at the BEGINNING of the clip – which breitbart didn't start at for some reason).
The guy was there to start trouble. You think it would be ok for the KKK to just randomly show up and start spewing their hate?
Glad to see the people in the crowd are speaking truth to power.
Does anyone remember this happening when they had signs like this about Bush?
Everything is quite "clear" to 777. He has seen the video and is prepared to pontificate.
Disgusting. Is this the tolerance the libs preach?
I think they forget how many of their minions protested George Bush by depicting him as Hitler.
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=612
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Bush%20Hitler&...
I bet none of the people pictured above were arrested.
Buck Ofama!!
Hitler would be offended by the comparison.
the video doesn't show anything about the other booths and what they were advertising. For all we know there were tons of stuff there. But just watch the video man. The cops asked nicely and called it in. We all know the cops are being more careful now with youtube and cameras.
It's not about being "clear". It's about not jumping to conclusions watching the end of a video and skipping the first 3 minutes that lead up to this whole thing.
Did we see the whole video ?
I would like to see what happened up to laying on of hands on this guy.
He does seems an obnoxious little fellow.
Was he asked nicely to take the sign down and gave them a lot of foul mouthed lip.
How long had it been going on before the confrontation?
Who know from this piece of video.
Advice: If I was told to do something by two guys twice my size and the Police packing heat I would shut the f**K up !
I honestly don't even think you read my post (if you can). I said nothing about a "fire" it was an analogy – a comparison between two things that are similar in some way, often used to help explain something or make it easier to understand.
Breitbart has the whole video above. He just starts it after all the talk with the cops in the beginning where they called everything in and asked him nicely to leave. It was also heard that this larouche guy broke the rules by doing political advertising at a state fair without paying for a booth. Also it is clear the camera guy is with him (how else would he know to start the video as soon as the cops came up to him?). This man broke the rules and wanted to start a riot or trouble at least at a fun family event with children. He should be removed.
Looked at the above ! http://www.infowars.com/man-arrested-at-alaska-st....
There is a way to protest Obama and I don't think this was it.
See the headline (after editing) on MSNBC:
RACIST TEA PARTY MEMBER CONFRONTS POLICE IN SHOW OF ANGER AND HATRED !
I seem to recall many signs depicting Bush as Hiltler; why were none of those protesters arrested? The reason is that the first amendmendment is only a right for the left wing.
I wish that more people would have come to the protester's aid at the beginning, before he was subdued.
Both are unacceptable to right thinking people !
EXACTLY! This guy wasn't there to protest obama (why would a LaRouche marxist protest his fellow marxist?). He was there in Alaska (Sarah Palin's home state) to try and make Tea Partiers look bad.
Phk these security guards! This is unacceptable! I cannot believe this happened to a U.S. citizen! I hope he sues the HELL out of the security company! Everyone's a Monday morning quarterback. But, if I were there, I would have taken his sign and found 40 other men to hold it with me just to defy those bastards. You don't do this to Americans.
Hey 777johny,
I think the negs are coming from how your post is worded–nothing more than that. I got what you meant and I did watch the video. It happens sometimes, when you keyboard things extemporaneously and it comes out oddly–at least to others comprehension. No biggie. Of course when you get replies, you can't edit your statement–bummer.
bet the ACLU wont help this guy. He needs to file assault and battery charges, along with false arrest to all agencies involved and the State Fair too. This could mean millions of dollars for him. Any attornies out there interested in coming to his defence and the defence of our First Amendment Right?
This guy appears to be a leftist pig. An old hippie trying to relive the glory days. Lucky he didn't get a night stick to the melon to fine tune his piss poor attitude.
I agree the guy could be arrested, if a permit of some sort was required, but there was no call to make a scene like that, call the police and let them remove the guy, not fair ground goons…he wasn't shouting fire he just had a sign gessh, even if a law was being broken this was idiocy on the part of security.
The guy was obviously prepared to cause trouble and the dumb ass goones cooperated.
…and sadly it did !
This stuff does our side no good at all !
This man did nothing wrong
the goons need to read the Laws
true true. Probably the first 2 sentences gets the neg. I guess next time I'll just have to be more clear in the beginning and get to the point a lot faster. Just not the way I am used to writing. Start with you main ending point and then try and explain. Thanks.
Sorry, but if the cops feel this is the right thing to do, we have a serious problem. The sign may be odious to some, but he has the right. If anyone almost caused a riot, it would be those overweight pigs who tackled the man..
Why would a LaRouche supporter be looking for Glenn Beck?
You're confusion is a perfect example of why we need MORE free speech in America, not LESS. You clearly have been so shielded from the message of each group that you don't realize that Beck and LaRouche are polar opposites.
This was probably the best entertainment at the fair.
The public is perfectly capable of handling on obnoxious character, they don't need a damned nanny state guard to step in. Hope they are sued and the state trooper canned. Government at all levels is the problem and if you believe otherwise, you are part of the problem.
Another troll alert!!
he has the right but I think from the beginning of the video the guy needed a permit and he didn't pay for one. Him and the camera guy were there to start trouble. I think it is pretty evident with the way he was acting yelling and such about free speech. A marxist larouche liberal protesting obama. Makes no sense.
http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-crime-state-fair-pr...
Dude the video shows one thing and only from the yelling guy's perspective. The guards and cops said nothing. They called it in and asked what they should do. I really do hope there is a follow up on this story and Breitbart posts it so we can all see how this larouche lover is a liar.
The question is… it is a private event or is it public access?? From the surface… it appears these guys were out of line and especially used WAY too much force on a weak disabled man.
The State trooper needs to lose his job by letting this happen and the other goons need to be charged with assault.
Thanks, that just shows what happens when you have incompetent clowns acting as security. Hope they stay on the unemployment line for a long time.
Obma's new world order
hey libs what happen to "dissent is the highest form of patriotism"
and 'question authoriy"
They should have carried on the Alaska State Fair theme by slamming his face, not on the ground, but into a pile of fresh, steaming, moose $hit!
He has the right to make a fool of himself. When we lose that, what's left. You don't arrest everyone your disagree with or who is obnoxious or we might just as well have let the communists win the cold war.
You guys should read this: http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-crime-state-fair-pr...
guy was carrying and loaded weapon and that is in violation of state fair rules!
so lets review: larouche supporter posing as conservative, disrupting fair activities, asked nicely to leave, starts a whole lot of trouble with a camera man at his side, and he has a loaded gun ready.
Seriously would you rather have no law and order in this country. Come on people think before you blindly support someone – especially LaRouche.
if he was just walking around with the sign he wasnt doing anything illegal as far as I can tell. the people around watching didnt look like they were minding it anyway.
This is a slippery slope …. who gets to pick what's offensive and what's ok ? …. to me, free speech means free speech… I don't see how someone gets to shut down political or religious speech… porno, on the other hand is in a different classification … that should be viewed as obscene and against the common good in the public square .
Again in a free society, who appointed you to make that decision.
"… and so he walked out of our lives forever…"
Replying to 777johnny
The guy was there to start trouble. You think it would be ok for the KKK to just randomly show up and start spewing their hate?
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Yeah they would think it was ok.
dont forget, here in NYC, if you speak your opinion publicly or private, the MAYOR himself calls you a bigot and a racist.
if all the facts point true against this man as per the article, I'd have to agree completely that removing this man was the correct thing to do. Not everything is as it appears in a video. I'd think the public safety ranks high if this man was carrying a loaded weapon and violating park rules.
Video's like these never tell a full story or the real motivations behind the video. LOL@ everyone attempting to put the protester in some alternate politics from their own when they don't even know the full details of the story.
What we do know? He wasn't properly permitted and he had a loaded gun on his person.
“We feel like we responded appropriately,” Phipps said. “Because we are the state fair, everyone thinks we're part of the State of Alaska. We're not — we're a non-profit.”
Phipps says there are several other political groups at the fair, but they all have to follow rules — including staying within an assigned booth, and not walking around in the open like Hill was.
“They aren't allowed to walk up and down the aisle or congregate in public places, particularly when it’s interfering with the fairgoers’ experience,” Phipps said.
Fair officials say they don't view the force that the guards used as excessive.
“They're required to restrain until they can sort it out, so I don't think it was excessive from that standpoint, particularly when they discovered he had a loaded weapon he brought onto the fairgrounds,” Phipps said.
They are not Cops but security guards, and in a public forum on public property, they have no authority or right to tell him anything. You can keep harping if you want to, but the full video shows clearly that there was No problem till the security guards started messing with him.
Not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand LaRouche is a…somethin' that rimes w/his name yet free speech is (should be) sacrosanct.
However, if triple 7Johnny is correct about security asking him to move then this guy got what he was lookin' for and imo, less than what he deserves! Additionally, it's hard to give a LaRouche supporter the benifit of the doubt.
Shouting is the last resort of an idiot. And the first. In fact it is his only resort.
You sound like a broken Satanic record. I know you listen to the Horst Wessel Song on your Nazi radio all day long.
The thing with Free Speach tho, is You dont get to decide who is free to speak…deal with it. The man did nothing wrong, and the renta cops will see the inside of a courtroom.
A LaRouche nut-job . . . take this guy to the 'funny farm'' . .
Personally I'm on the laws side until I see very clear evidence (which I have not seen in this video) that the officer or, in this case, security did something very wrong, which I have not seen in this vid. I'm standing w/the officers on this one the least of my reasons is IT'S A LaROUCHE SUPPORTER!!!! HELLO???…
Then you end with "I thought only conservatives held signs of obama as hitler… "
.. and you think you don't deserve the public thumbs down?
Twisted logic there no?
How many of these signs were at the rally on 8/28?
How many did you see of Bush like that during his whole presidency?
edit: http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-crime-state-fair-pr...
read that story. it makes everything pretty clear as to what happened.
edit: http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-crime-state-fair-pr...
I think this story makes it pretty evident that the man did not follow the rules and was trying to start trouble. He's just using a conservative pulpit to get attention. I don't fault the people supporting the guy there because they didn't know what was going on. But people over the internet should think a little bit before coming to such drastic conclusions – especially supporting a LaRouche lover!
haha yes!
here is the news story about the event. Seems like the cops were right again (at least in my opinion)
http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-crime-state-fair-pr...
http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-crime-state-fair-pr...
read that and then think about what you said…
Assault. I assume by now a helpful attorney has entered the pucture. This man has got a case.
Free speech is free speech. It applies just as much to the KKK as it does to the NAACP.
The security guards acted stupidly.
Yeah I really wish Breitbart would change the way he has phrased this video. On the surface it can look like one thing then but in reality it means something completely different.
It has nothing to do with his weapon. If he has a permit for the weapon and it is legal then I can't argue against it (can't say I'd be pleased knowing some guy has a loaded weapon at a family event right next to a little kid happily trying to go on a fair ride though). But that's probably why it is against the rules to carry the weapon.
it's the fact that this guy broke all the rules and was being a disturbance. He was there to start trouble. He wasn't there to protest Obama.
The back of their shirt reads, 'SECURITY'. I guess in this case they are protecting this individual FROM his constitutional right of free speech and peaceful assembly.
story on the incident: http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-crime-state-fair-pr...
Not disagreeing with what you say about government – just trying to point out that this marxist is not someone who should have our sympathy.
ahhh. I can see how that can come out wrong.
That was meant to be facetious because that is what the media is trying to make us believe but is obviously not true!!!!
maybe this explains the negative rating. oh well.
story on this incident: http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-crime-state-fair-pr...
Kind of ironic that an old man makes a stupid banner about the President acting like a nazi, and then the Gestapo shows up and proves his point!
story on the indicent: http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-crime-state-fair-pr...
no case for this guy:
http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-crime-state-fair-pr...
no they did not: http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-crime-state-fair-pr...
funny post though. I like how you said what obama said about that one cop last year. hahaha
read this story about this incident before you post: http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-crime-state-fair-pr...
thanks.
also sorry for spamming. But there is A LOT of disinformation about this video out there!
Get a good lawyer and sue the LIVIN' $HIT out of everybody involved !
http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-crime-state-fair-pr...
story on the incident
After seeing the video you keep posting I still disagree with you. First off, it doesn't appear the man was making any kind of a scene UNTIL the THUG security guards started to harasses him about the sign. Who caused the incitement? Looks like the thugs did! If they really had a problem with him, the security guards should have kept their distance and called in the police….PERIOD! NOT have (2) 300+lbs men sit on him! Police are trained in dealing with people like this guy, wanna-be renta cop's ARE NOT! But they have egos as big as their fat bellies!
Conservatives should take their pitchfork with them wherever they go…You never know when you might have to pitch a little hay…
Hey, if you go to the alaska news video posted above http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-crime-state-fair-pr....
you'll learn that the event was on Private Property, not public. , and that this guy violated the rules set up for people making political statements. I agree that the Security guys acted like oafs — they could have corrected the guy's insistence about being on public property etc., Still, this isn't a Free speech issue. And oh btw, anyone who goes to the KTUU vidoe will learn that the guy had a concealed weapon, which the event holders say was entirely against their rules. And, of course, if the guy pulled that gun on the Rent-a-Cops things could have become really ugly.
In short, nothing to see here folks, move along.
Same old stuff,
Just like watching a critical mass bike flashpoint protest/rally, or some anarchists having a protest with arrests.
They all claim right of free speech and assembly. However, there are always rules that are being broken, and they end up on the ground screaming and yelling. Their compatriots come to there defense, video it, and start harassing the cops. With youtube it ends up being posted in 10 minutes. Ends up being a big bunch of nothing.
In this case the 2 X 2 the guy had the sign on was too long, he was given the opportunity to back down or alter his sign. Instead he wanted to make a point and ended up being made an example of. He could have taken the stick off and had his fellow supporters hold the other side of the sign and continued to enjoy his free speech rights. Like I said a whole bunch of nothing.
Remember, if you want this guy to do that, the next time you see some critical mass bike rally, or move on protest, or a police brutality protest, or a La Raza protest that degenerates into a riot, dont get mad. To be consistent, if you oppose rules that attempt keep the LaRouce supporter in line, then you need to support the often violent and destructive acts of the other groups. After all only a small percentage are actually violent or destructive, the majority are just expressing free speech and right to assembly.
Glenn Beck want's your real name and address…Please post it so he can send you a box of tissues…
Being that LaRouche is a Democrat …"who" was upset or insulted …the Nazis or the Socialists?
I watched the video 777Jonny keeps spamming and it doesn't prove anything!!! First off, the security guards did not know until they got him down that he had a loaded weapon. (Which, he was not charged with having a loaded weapon so whether or not he was carrying is his 2nd amendment right and thus a NON ISSUE HERE, he had the right to carry, had he not, he would have had charged for it along with his other charges)
Secondly, the jonny's spammed video does not prove he was causing a scene PRIOR to the security THUGS! It appears to me in BOTH video's that it was the security guards that caused the incitement. If they really had to remove him, the renta-cops SHOULD have STAYED their distance and called in the police. (The man WAS NOT A THREAT!…HE ONLY BECAME MORE VOCAL as the renta-cops became more aggressive)
Police are trained to handle these situations, wanna-be-renta-cops ARE NOT! You don't have (2) 300 lb fat men pulling down and sitting on an old man adn holding him against his will just because he's waving a sign, whether he was breaking a "fair rule" or not. Come on Jonny, he wasn't breaking a LAW, the man was breaking a "Fair rule" by holding a political sign, do you really want to defend the renta cops and think what they did was not overkill?
we need more people posting comments which are thoughtful and well written like yours. People jump to conclusions sooo quickly now and don't even read the entirety of a post or just don't understand what is written. Too bad really.
Those fat-ass "security guards" look more like union goons. IF it was on public property (county city) and no ordinace was broken then the old guy had every right of free speach. He obviously was not harming anyone.
I voted Democrat because…
- Thinking is too hard.
- I want a Mosque at Ground Zero.
- I am 26, sponging off my mom and I want free Health Care.
- FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS FINE AS LONG AS I AM NOT OFFENDED BY IT.
- We need to raise taxes on business… Gee… Why do things cost so much?
- If I knock-up my girlfriend I want government to pay her to kill the baby.
- I want government to give Mexicans free health care and education at your expense.
- I want government to take over industry and apply the efficiency of the US Post Office.
Obama Jokes http://usataxpayer.org/?0062470846
Billboards… http://usataxpayer.org/htm/vids.asp?A=27913787
The video is very damning for the security men, but according to other postings here, there is more to the video. The manhandling of the old man is alarming including the way he is being held down. If this did indeed happen on private property, the security team should have waited for the police to escort the man away. I dont see any winners here, but lets see the entire story without jumping to any conclusions like the Sherrod story.
have you seen the news story on this article yet?
http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-crime-state-fair-pr...
if you still disagree then I respect your opinion. There are just a lot of people who jump to conclusions.
Absolutely they should have waited for the real police! The man was NOT breaking the law, he was ONLY breaking a "Fair Rule" That's not even as bad as a traffic violation. The renta-cops let their fat egos get ahead of them.
The media often trots out LaRouche kooks as tea party conservatives. This guy fits the mold perfectly, yet you just cannot have a sign like that in the anointed one's America. Oh–currently–our socialists (the democrats) use Nazi tactics, so I guess it would be that crew who is chagrined, especially if they cannot pin the affront on conservative citizens. Question answered.
I have and the man was breaking a "FAIR RULE" NOT THE LAW! You think it's okay for two big ass fat guys 300+lbs to drag down and sit on an old man? Seriously? Do you knot see how terrible that is! They should have kept their distance and called the police (who are actually trained) to handle it if he was so bad. But as far as YOUR video link, he wasn't causing a scene until the renta-cops INCITED HIM.
The LaRouche folks are quite vehement about their beliefs, and pretty pushy, and I'm pretty sure this guy came to make himself seen. He is right about having the right to speak and display his sign, though if there was a booth he ought arguably to have stayed with it. As serious as the LaRouche folks are about stopping Obama now before he can do any more damage, I can't blame him for stepping off the "reservation", though.
That said, I also can't blame the fair security for forcing him down. People do get tired of being harangued, and we have to be able to stop that behavior.
And don't worry about the Tea Party getting "smeared" by association with him. The MSM doesn't need him for this purpose – they make up whatever they want anyway.
SEIU member finally gets some of their own medicine.
Try to see the big picture. This man's opinion per se is not the issue. No one cares if he likes Sarah Palin. He is odd and gnarly looking, most likely poor, possibly peculiar. But he is a person speaking out for something he believes in. He has that right and his right just got stomped on. He was assaulted for expressing himself. I hope he sues and wins big.
People were complaining he was being disruptive and he needed a permit to be there. As grimreaperxx said above this whole thing could have been avoided.
If you disagree with tactics that is one thing but they did ask nicely and he refused. The guy needed to be removed. He is a trained larouche protester.
But whatever, agree to disagree.
People need to look up the definition of "confirmation bias" before spouting out guilty verdicts here.
Wow those teabaggers and other various GOP filth sure loved throwing around the F bomb and curse words a plenty with all those kids around. STAY CLASSY klan members.
I always get a kick out of these super studs crying like little beotches when the heat they bring upon themselves comes a callin.. Keep crying puzzies.
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Yet another unintentional agent provocateur. No doubt, the media will report this as, "tea party member arrested at state fair." I can't disagree with his sign though, Obama could do with a good impeachment. This Larouche supporter must have forgot that he is now in Obama's statist regime which is not unlike a Islamic theocracy; meaning–no free speech for you!