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kucinich, take your merkin and go. Was it your ride on AirFarce One that got you into the mile bribe club. Are you so cheap a ride on a plane buys your vote?
You are a disgrace and a traitor to the Constitution. Target kucinich.

· “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. … Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.” —Thomas Jefferson

Now you too will join Obama in Hell!

Just fock off and die…

So Dennis…what was your price for this yes vote?

When I heard he was on the palace we call Air Force One, I knew he’d go all wobbly. Heh. Just another snake in D.C.

Where’s St. Patrick to clean D.C. of all (ALL) its snakes?

***BOUGHT!*

Now follow the bribe…

It will likely lead to a villa in France or a cushy ambassadorship.

The sliminess of this entire process has not only legitimized bribery as a legislative tool but it has delegitimized our republic as a whole.

Pass this at your peril…

I never thsought that a ride on Air FOrce one could chnge one’s convictions. Must be the thin air up there! What were you promised ? Free Healthe Care will cost you your country!

The devil is in the details and he was shown those details on Air Force One in a personal way.

I wonder what the wonder “Boy” bribed him with?

I never thought that a ride on Air Force one could change one’s convictions.
Must be the thin air up there! What were you promised ?

Free Healthe Care will cost you your country!

Welcome to the dark side. Don’t worry about the people holding you accountable for going against the Constitution. It punishment won’t hurt too long.

Nathan

Looks like Kucinich has cancer…. Just sayin….

He discussed with the president, Pelosi, his wife and friends????? What about the people in his district??? I guess they really dont matter. The president and pelosi obviously offered him a personal sweet deal after term. Kuninich you are weak, you have no spine…. You are a sell out.

Maybe his constituents bombarded him with calls after Monday’s rally, telling him to support the bill. It’s a liberal district.

OH WOW – WHAT A SURPRISE – all it took was a ride in the plane with bo!!! Wow – wonder what it included. EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY ONE OF THESE HORSES BUTTS NEED TO BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE. They don’t have a brain!!! WAKE UP AMERICA – THESE SOCIALISTS HAVE ONLY ONE THING IN MIND – TAKE THIS COUNTRY DOWN. The media goes right along with it – why even waste the tv time to let him announce his yes vote!!!! – AND ACT LIKE IT IS SUCH A BIG SURPRISE!!!!!

obama, pelosi, my wife and friends…..I decided to vote for the legislation. HOW ABOUT YOUR CONSTITUENTS?????
Oh yeah, they really don’t matter. Another teachable moment courtesy of the Aristo-democrats. Pathetic….

If this health care passes it will end up in the Supreme Court also the next congress will hold hearings into the the unprecedented corruption that has been going on behind the closed doors. Mean while the demrat progressives will be destroyed for years. These guys make Nixon look like a boy scout.

America…Kucinich is the epitome of a liberal ’slug’!

Bilderberg Bush-Obama is a known hypocritical liar and he goes to these ’slugs’ and coerces them just like ACORN did to get him the votes in the innercity plantations!

He is not speaking for “real” Americans in Ohio…I am sure!

Ohio you know what you have to do…get rid of him! He is a traitor to “real” America!

Call/email him today and let him know how you feel!

BUT…DO NOT GO THROUGH THE GENERAL SWITCHBOARD IN WASHINGTON TO TELL THEM WHAT YOU THINK!

IT WILL BE OVERLOADED AND YOU WILL NOT GET THROUGH!

Go here instead to get the numbers/emails of your State reps:

1. USA.gov
2. At top…click on ’site index’
3. At left…click on ‘federal government’
4. In middle…click on ‘legislative’
5. Pick Senate and then put in your state
6. Pick House and then put in your state

This is the only way for you to make an impact…not the switchboard!

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JUST EIGHT (8) MORE MONTHS TO “D” DAY II !

1. WE “THE PEOPLE” ARE INFORMED!
2. WE “THE PEOPLE” ARE INVOLVED!
3. WE “THE PEOPLE” ARE GETTING OUT THE VOTE!

ONE (1) SLUG DOWN…FIFTY-NINE (59) SLUGS TO GO – GUARANTEED!

IMPEACHMENT OR THE ‘ORIGINAL’ RECORDS OF BIRTH…IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME…AND 2010 WILL BE THE TIME!

“”I have doubts about the bill,” Kucinich said. “This is not the bill I wanted to support. . . However, after careful discussions with President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, my wife Elizabeth and close friends, I’ve decided to cast a vote in favor of the legislation.”

You piece of crap !!!! How about a discussion with the people who put you in office ??? Your a F’ing loser and another reason your azz needs to go…..My GOD Ohio, is this the best you can get? He wanted single payer and he sold us out for what ????

Hope your ride in air force 1 was worth it you lasy azz, mother f’ing clown !!!!!

…LOL…the cheapest ‘date’…

I always thought this clown has no guts

Dead man walking…..

Yeah, Kucinich took a ride on Air Force One and was probably “bribed” just like Mary Landreiu and Ben Nelson were and as a host of other Senators were too no doubt. Instead of him standing up for his own principles and ideals he “caves” which shows you he’s NOT a man of any ethics, honor, or resolve. He’s just another “shill” for the Obama machine and I predict Dennis Kucinich will be unemployed in the not too distant future.

He discussed with the president, Pelosi, his wife and friends????? Thank you Philip and pb……… I am just as outraged by that statement! What changed for this new epiphany Mr. Kucinich??? TELL US!

Here is a man who weighed the pros and cons of the bill, considered them carefully, and decided to vote a certain way based on those facts. He is not happy with everything but thinks that it is better than nothing. More people, especially Republicans, should do the same thing instead of playing obstructionist politics.

He will definitely sleep better tonight, especially if he is next to that stunningly beautiful babe.

I suspected Kucinich was planning to sell out if the price was right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c6wLToQUN8
Talking Babies Reject ObamaCare

I was betting big time the Kucinich wouldn’t flip, but then again I was voting that the sun wouldn’t go down last night either. I was wrong. Now I’m betting that there won’t be a slaughter of the Democrats in November or a Republican takeover of Congress. I’m also betting big time that Obama won’t be run out of office in 2012. Could I be wrong about everything????

One plane ride in Air Force One to roll over for Obamacare: $17,000
Having Totus blow in your ear while riding in the front seat: Priceless

Another loser democrat being voted out thi sfall.

The people will roit !!!! The government leavess u no choice in the matter….

My God what has become of this once great nation … The Greatest Nation !!!!!

I hear Chuck Schumer wants to make his own rules and not follow the bill of rights !!!!

GD AMERICA, WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE ???? WAKE THE F UP !!!!!

Dennis, your a Pu$$y and you always will be….. punk a$$, punk !!!!

From the White House: practicing for tonight’s appearance on FOX:

http://www.goodboybo.com/2010/03/fox-and-gopher.html

Bo

No surprise here. Dennis the menace has always been a flake and in the traitor column on health care. Maybe he could see teh flying saucers from Air Force One.
.

Sounds like that Eddie Murphy joke about Mike Tyson and trying to act tough. “You ain’t gonna be &%&%&^%&))@ me all night”.

People you all know that this bill is NOT real healthcare reform, I’m for healthcare
reform myself, why haven’t any of these politicans from both parties (it’s not just the
democrats alone I’m blaming) mentioned “Tort-Reform”, by stopping lawyers/trial lawyers
from filing lawsuits against hospitals regarding junk-lawsuits, etc., and also cut down
on healthcare for illegal-aliens! Why haven’t neither the Republicans or the Democrats
have mentioned none of that? Because from the looks of it, both parties are being
lobbied for La Raza, and there are some former lawyers in both political parties, so
that’s why you haven’t heard no political offical mentioned Tort-Reform and no health
insurance for illegal-aliens (the only way illegal-aliens can get health insurance if
injuries are very serious or life-threatening, simple as that)!

Liberalism is a Mental Disorder!!!

“A nation is identified by it’s borders, language & culture!”

I think he was planning on voteing for it anway he was just holding out for one of those good bribs, he waited till they had all the votes last time then voted yes to make it look like he didnt want to do it, who knows what obama promised him on that plane ride !!!

And I thoguht suicide was illegal all this time…….

Not when your president endorses it, I suppose.

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants, The Revolution is about to begin, May God Bless our souls, Let Freedom Ring…………

He forgot to ask his constituents what they wanted. But then again what politicians really does what the people want. Its all about what they or their ideology forces them to do. I’m ashamed to be a buckeye for the first time.

Whee! Pwane wide fun! Go fast! Go way high! Make thwill go up my weg! Me wuv Obama – change vote now!!

The Superbowl and nball are more important, who cares about bills and politicians?

LOL! Just think – if you had supported Ron Paul in the primaries instead of the “war for Israel” candidate McCain we wouldn’t even be HAVING this discussion. Now you are going to get the most expensive and still broken “socialism, American style” form of medicine. This is what happens when your priorities are mindless wars for foreign benefactors rather than domestic policy and foreign non-interventionism. This will be a HUGE boondoggle with Goldman Sachs getting tons of money, too! What, you didn’t know that? How about how Israel will be given the contract for the computer systems (more of the unofficial aid we give them) so they can snoop on your records and sell the info to the highest bidder like they do with the phone systems.

my head is all a scramble with thoughts of the Godfather and an offer even his (Dennis) filthy rich wife could not buy….just sayin

Wonder what they dug up on him?

Another liberal sellout!

I “deem” my house paid for.

What a surprise. Just another “fruit loop” liberal that has no spine!!

@ I WAS SHOCKED!!! March 17th, 2010 – 10:59 am

“Now I’m betting that there won’t be a slaughter of the Democrats in November or a Republican takeover of Congress. I’m also betting big time that Obama won’t be run out of office in 2012. Could I be wrong about everything????”

Well, the ball is very much in the GOP’s court, and in the TEA Party movement’s court. It’s still a bit early for the mid-terms, and extremely early to be talking about 2012. But, the next two elections are there for the taking if the GOP doesn’t repeat the mistakes of the recent past. However, thus far I am very unimpressed with the faces of the GOP, because they are the same faces we saw in 2008. If that doesn’t change, the TEA Party will be forced to form a third party in 2012,or accept another “lesser of evils” GOP POTUS / VP ticket and thereby become irrelevant.

Time will tell, but as of now, I foresee eight years of Obama. Until I see some new faces at the head of the GOP – people who are unwavering defenders of the Constitution and our founding principles – why should I expect anything different?

I knew he would, he was just like all the rest wanted to ride on AirFore One
and be in the lime light …..Its all just a big self imposed game.

I knew he would, he was just like all the rest wanted to ride on AirFore One
and be in the lime light …..Its all just a big self imposed game. What we need is some Politicians with some good old fashion gonads..

If it is an actual vote then he can do as he sees fit as long as he gets to suffer the consequences of his actions, limited as they might be since he’s exempted from the health care program he’ll vote for. BUT if it isn’t a clear cut vote and he supports the Slaughter Solution then I would urge his constituents to remind him that he took an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States which doesn’t have a maneuver for “deeming” a bill to have passed without a straight vote.

Oath taken by Congressional Members:

“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

I guess he didn’t want to be in Congress anymore. Dennis the Menace just signed his termination papers.

On a side note, has anybody read “Term Limits” by Vince Flynn?

He is the another VICTIM OF MR. OBAMA.

I deem I’m done with taxes this year…. I wonder how far that would go….

Two face, weak knee,etc..etc..

You just know he got paid off, I wonder what pork barrel sausage making deal was involved?

Good job Democrats, you have progressively shown the world how corruption truly happens from within a republic.

How is this a surpise, Kucinich has always been a communist?

When this is all said and done, we can be asured that every vote was made on behalf of moral and ethical principles guided by obama.

What Washington needs is adult supervision – Barack Obama

First of all Barry likes to strong arm first! I bet he showed pictures of Kucinich and or his wife with another is a ?????? way! That would get all of his little demo’s to vote for every thing he wanted! RIGHT?

DENNIS KUCINICH BOUGHT AND THEN SOLD AMERICA DOWN THE RIVER OF NO RETURN (BANKRUPT FOR SURE)

AMERICAN REVOLUTION II (WHEN) ?

OReally, shut the hell up, you god damned troll.

Looks like tough times are ahead of us …

Isaiah 9:

16 For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.
17 Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall have mercy on their fatherless and widows: for every one is an hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaketh folly. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
18 ¶ For wickedness burneth as the fire: it shall devour the briers and thorns, and shall kindle in the thickets of the forest, and they shall mount up like the lifting up of smoke.
19 Through the wrath of the Lord of hosts is the land darkened, and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother.

“Bush” Miss me yet!

“What is the effect of coercion?, to make half the world fools and the other half hypocrites…

Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap we should soon want bread.

A cold-blooded, calculation, unprincipled, usurper, without a virtue, no statesman, knowing nothing of commerce, political economy, or civil government, and supplying ignorance by bold presumption.”

[THE WORDS OF THOMAS JEFFERSON (speaking about Napoleon)].

Obviously, totally applicable to Kucinich and the other Congressional dickweeds. HANG THEM ALL!

Just more of a reason to show them all the door come November 2010.

Watch this Health Care Takeover VIDEO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8
Then, send the video to everyone that you know, and then all of you contact your Congressman/woman with a copy of the video and demand that they watch it. (YOU ARE THEIR BOSS!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8
and then DEMAND that they VOTE NO on anything that the people responsible for this bill ever try to force on us!

THE CREATORS AND SUPPORTERS AND PROMOTERS OF THIS BILL ARE THE ENEMY OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, WITHIN OUR OWN GOVERNMENT!

ANYONE WHO HAS ALREADY VOTED YES FOR THIS HEALTH CARE TAKEOVER BILL SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT TREASON AGAINST THE AMERICAN CITIZENS AND THE CONSTITUTION.
TAKE DOWN THEIR NAMES AND MAKE SURE TO NOTIFY YOUR NEW LAWMAKERS, AFTER THE NOVEMBER 2010 ELECTIONS, AND TELL YOUR NEW REPRESENTATIVES THAT YOU WANT THESE PEOPLE CHARGED FOR THEIR CRIMES AGAINST AMERICA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Speaking of being paid off…how much are Republicans getting paid by the insurance industry to try to kill this bill?

And, NO, cheg13, we do not miss Bush, yet or forever!

Another politician bought and paid for. Who cares what the people that elected him think and want. It’s all about the moron in the white house and his desire to make sure the government controls every part of your life.

I think the French got it right with their Revolution.

Johnny D.–I think you are correct…just sayin

SnailMailtrucker….You are spot-on!

kmichaels,
Parsing through that gobblie-gook, I guess that means that I should not spare you.

LOL, I am going to assume that the MEdical/Health insurance industries were unable to meet his high price? LOL, its the American way.

Jess
http://www.anon-vpn.net.tc

National Guard….RISE UP. Reservists….RISE UP. Active Duty Personnel…RISE UP. It is now, in our time of greatest need, that the citizens of this country are calling upon you to defend our liberties and our freedom. The citizenry that you have taken an oath to protect and defend are now being denied their will by an oppressive, socialist/communist regime. RISE UP and defend our CONSTITUTION. Take back our government. Re-establish a government that is OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE and BY THE PEOPLE.

You people amaze me..Kucinich didn’t oppose this bill because he felt it was “unconstitutional,” he opposed it because it DIDN’T have a public option. Did you even watch this video? He was not bought out, he just decided that this bill is a small step in the right direction and to not act on it would be to let the possibility of a public option die.

Wow all those comments below are from one angry person. get a life

Breitbart censors posts? i’m really surprised.

screw you, you punkinich!!!

I read a few of the comments on this video and let me bring some light to your comments. You say he flip-flopped. How about the republicans flip-flopping on supporting a bill that was VERY close to the one barack proposed and now saying it is a “Takeover” even tho healthcare will remain privatized except for the majority of the ppl already getting public healthcare. I can respect opposition to this bill because it is not perfect but to read the rationale for your arguments it really seems like they are uninformed and simple answers to a complex problem. Maybe listen to NPR or any though provoking establishment instead of Fox which says a lot without much substance or imperical data. Feel bad for all you with so much ignorant hate in you. For those with intellegent opposition, this is not towards you.

I always knew he was a publicity hound.
Did you ask your constituents how they felt? Or were asking your friends good enough?

HAHAA you republitards and your ideals. Some of these comments mentioned rioting, snakes, clowns, bribes, homes in France, socialism etc etc… uh, the government has had it’s hands in socialist rule for a long time now. Most money that people get if they aren’t working didn’t come from your taxes, it came from big brother paying for it with money they get from the treasury. AND it was from your right-wing presidents.

This entire system is upside down. Everything is a big evil circle folks.

Then goodbye and good riddance loser!

I never knew so many tools could gather in one place. Maybe the guy realized our healthcare system is a disaster and we need to fix it. Thanks god someone has some sense. You guys are a bunch of tin foil hat wearing sheep following Glen Beck and the other racist psychopaths like him. Nobody seemed to mind us spending trillions to Dick Cheney’s companies and Bush’s cronies for a war that was not provoked or ever necessary. But when it comes to helping our own people, whoa! We can’t afford that!

Yay! What a positive step and a great day for America! Dennis is a true patriot and I look forward to donating to his next re-election campaign.

I can’t wait till this Bill is passed, and nothing bad happens.

Apparently none of these religio-fascist teabagger’s has a clue
what will happen to them. Hint: Your credibility is already seriously in question. What will happen to it when the world doesn’t come to an end?

Just because Barack won the election, and he’s doing what well over 60%
of the American People want, you guys are all boo hoo hoo.

The Republican’s answer to Health Care? A 50 page pamphlet, handed out by your congressional leader Eric Cantor.

Rather than getting mad at the competition, you guys should be placing the blame, where the blame belongs, at the feet of the leaders of the Republican Party.

Spend your energy helping the country, instead of trying to drag us down further in a childish fit of pique. I mean really. Talk about sore losers.

Politicians like Kucinich would sell their soles to the devil for this obamanation. They have no principles on which they stand. Shame on all of them. Our Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves!

Just shows you what a ride on AF1 & a few lines of coke will do to change a vote.
DK is a wacko , tin foil hat wearing leftie .
November can’t come quick enough .

All you commenters who are up in arms, it’s because you supported Kucinich’s position then? You teabagged, selfish dunces who think poor people deserve to die, did you instead really think the representative from Ohio was on your side? A democrat voting with his party? Shocking! Treasonous! All you fools know is that Rush & crocodile-tears-boy told you: “Obama = bad! Healthcare bill = communism!” Idiots.

Did he just speak out for “religious health science”. What the hell?

Hey “brockstar” & “theBuddha” , so, how are things at the Huffington Post ?

couple of leftie trolls – Yawn ZZZZZZzzzzzzzz ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz

Since when did FOXNews groupies move to breitbart.tv? Seriously snap out of it and make some informed comments, instead of “HANG THEM ALL” or quoting the bible.

I wish I were in were in Ohio so, instead of listening to theives like Obama, Pelosi and ‘Elizabeth’, I could help make Dennis listen to me. MAKE NOISE. If he switched once, he might just switch again.

OMFG. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

YOU HAVE JUST CLUSTER F*CKED US. THERE WILL BE RIOTS AS WELL AS BLOOD IN THE STREETS WHEN THIS POS HEALTH BILL IS PASSED AND MAKES US SLAVES TO THIS SOCIALISTIC PRESIDENT

I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!!! HOLY $HIT! WE ARE SO SCREWED.

Did anyone really think this worm matters? He’s a nothing and should be treated like one!

Well I see the Republicans have their usual useful tools carry their water and being against their own self interest.

Republicans in congress are not that stupid(well some of them are)they know that the health care system in this country need a major overhaul.

It should be a source of embarrassment that out of 191 countries ranked on things like the number of years people lived in good health and whether everyone had access to good health care. France came in first. The United States ranked 37th.

The individual mandate was originally a Republican idea.
Is the Bill now being debated perfect? No it’s not with the lack of a public option it still is to much of a give away to the private insurance companies,that’s why Kucinich and a lot of other progressives were against it.
But there are a lot of good things in the Bill.Read it instead of letting Faux Noise and others scare you and tell you a lot of stuff that’s not in it.
The real reason Republicans don’t want this bill to pass is Presidents since Theodore Roosevelt’s third-party run in 1912,Presidents have proposed or actually pushed for a comprehensive set of health care benefits for every citizen in the country.All of them fail to do so.
And the Republicans sure as hell don’t want this historic president to pass this historic bill.

@brockstar…you are an idiot. you should have some evidence before you throw things like “racist” around. but that is your ideological m.o. you and your lib butt-buddies will spend money that isn’t there, make claims that lack substantiation (that means proof, sorry if i confused you), and bring up bush’s spending…despite the fact that your messiah is spending >24X the amount in 1+ year that bush spent IN 8 YEARS.

If the vast majority of the comments I have just read represent the ‘American Public’, then heaven help us. Most of what’s on here represents a blind allegiance to the naysayers and the radical right talk shows featuring money grubbing fanatics. I have read NOTHING above which makes the least bit of sense or which represents a view point other than NO. Can you do nothing except complain? It is as I feared. A president elected to make changes proceeds to do just that and the fear-mongers among us (all of whom are self serving money grubbers) are the loudest voices to be heard. Get real. I hope when your parents and grandparents lose their social security and their medicare (government run socialistic programs) you have as much to say! The last president and congress tried to do just that by trying to make them dependant on the recently crashed stock market and by producing prescription coverage that costs immense amounts in payoffs to the drug companies. Maybe you’ll all get your wish and the people who produced our current economic situation will come back to power! At least then I’ll be able to say ‘I told you so’ once again! Lord knows I was able to say that enough times in the last 8 years preceeding the current administration!

Thanks Kucinich! I’m uninsured and really need this.

Try to pull your head out of your butt for a minute…. They did not need ONE republican vote to pass this piece of crap—-not one. Obviously, there ARE some dems with a brain. BTW….over 70% oppose the bill. Moron

To add to my previous comment: The money “spent” by this administration is the ONLY reason you won’t have to teach your children to speak Chinese in the near future.

If we do not have Universal Health Coverage by the end of this decade, we will likely have none at all. It’s all there, just do the research, use your brain power, and figure it out!!

Attention Neo-con Retards! Kucinich is a LIBERAL. He wasn’t on “YOUR SIDE” when he was voting against the bill. He was voting against it because it was too CONSERVATIVE. Now you’re lambasting him for voting Yes on the more conservative bill. Basically he’s more on your side NOW than he was. But you don’t really care about that. All you care about is getting your way. You neo-con puppets will lie and spread disinformation to fight for your corporate masters. None of you have any morals or ethics. You’d line up behind Satan himself if he said that he was going to end big spending and defend America. You won’t vote for Mitt Romney because he’s a mormon, but you’ll spout anything that Glen Beck (a mormon) says. You don’t really believe in anything, you’re just puppets.

@ AC March 17th, 2010 – 1:00 pm

“Kucinich didn’t oppose this bill because he felt it was “unconstitutional,” he opposed it because it DIDN’T have a public option.”
I agree.

“He was not bought out…”
With respect, you don’t know that.

“…he just decided that this bill is a small step in the right direction and to not act on it would be to let the possibility of a public option die.”
Yes. It is incrementalism.

WOOT! I like this….I think it’s awesome that someone stood up and did the RIGHT thing. I can’t wait for Obama’s second term in office and all the good change he will bring this Country. USA…USA…USA! I’m proud of this Country and it’s leaders!

Well hot damn he changed his little progressive mind! Yabba Dabba Do! Look at all the civil servants the voters have elected who flip flop. Lindsay Graham, John McCain, Olympia Snowe, Arlen Specter, Dennis Kucinich and the list goes on and on. This is the same list you can use to vote against during their “license to lie” renewal! All incumbents need to free themselves up for other opportunities at Wal-Mart and Starbucks!

And by major overhaul, we liberals intend to make everything worse
than it was before, since that is how we do things, since we are essentially
unwise and just plain evil.

Yeah Right>, perhaps you could spend a few minutes looking at those statistics you are quoting, rather than draw your conclusions from the liberal drones that feed you.
When the WHO ranked countries with respect to healthcare, one of the criteria was a public government option. Since we don’t have a public government option, we were ranked lower. Maybe these stats will help:
1) Almost all medical innovation comes from the US. Why? Because up to this point, we have been a relatively free economy where people are motivated by profit to provide a service. Profit drives innovation.
2) When you look at serious health issues – cancer, heart aliments, etc, the US survivability rates far surpass the countries with public programs.
3) The Canadian Premier came to the US for his heart treatment
4) The UK hospital system is in shambles with stories of filth, neglect, and mistreatment of patients.
5) The waiting lists are huge in countries with government run health. You may wait a year for treatment and suffer in the meantime. Why? Because government controls the costs which reduces supply and increases demand. Simple economics.

Have fun not understanding these simple economic concepts. While you’re at it, blast FoxNews, Beck, Hannity, Rush, and others from your “liberal drone” handbook.

Obama simply pointe out that he would add single payer later, which has always been his plan
then, for good measure, he gave Kucinich a reasonably large sized bribe, one which we will
find out about later.

Liberals are mentally diseased and if you try too hard to figure out their motivations you will
just end up with a huge headache.

The bottom line in all of this is that more and more real American voices will be heard and we
will simply vote out the leftists once and for all and reverse their idiotic damage as quickly
as possible.

On a side note, why are liberal posters always sounding to incoherently stupid and misinformed on every key issue?
Is it just part of the liberal mindset to not have brains enough to draw logical conclusions? Or are you so evil that
you lie even when you don’t need to?

Whats is wrong with you people?? The rest of the world stands in awe of how stupid people in the United States can be, resisting change to a healthcare system that by any measure is a joke. It’s true the US has some of best health care money can buy, if you can afford it. What logic exists for opposing change to such an inequitable and inefficient system, that puts the interests of powerful and obscenely wealthy private healthcare companies before the interests of the American people?? It is simply beyond comprehension how sections of the American people are so extreme in their opposition to making healthcare more accessible and affordable to ALL Americans. Amazing how, yet again, ideology trumps reason and logic. Well done. While you are at it, why dont you privatise the Police and Fire Departments. And Libraries. Private Enterprise Good. Government Bad!

@Yeah Right:

You hit the nail, right on the head.

They are really scared of Obama, and if he passes this historic legislation, it will prove one thing. Their childish stonewalling tactics don’t work.

I too don’t really care for the Senate Bill, but it’s a work in progress. The important thing is that we move forward, and get something done.

I agree with you, they are soooo screwed if it passes, and they know it. You thought the Republican Party was in a state of confusion, just wait till this Bill passes and you’re going to see total mayhem!

I think I’ll get a beer and some popcorn and get ready for the FUN!

Reblicants, read the bill and debate the bill don’t trash the bill without reading it. Most reps dont even read bills. So When a democrat changes his mind – he flip/flops, but republican changes his mind it’s because of what?

Hey O’Really, you will miss Bushie when healthcare, cap & trade and all the illegals get amnesty. I guarantee you and all your liberal friends won’t know what hit you. but it won’t matter anyway because when the government controls your life and you’re taxed to the poor house, you lefties will just blame it on Reagan & Bush. How convenient!

Just an opinion, take it or ignore it.
Government has grown too big (Republican/Democrat/Independent), doing over means never doing, bureaucracy will delay everything to a crawl. Heath care is an issue that needs to be addressed, unless you want your sick son/grandson to deal with it when they grow old. Where there is difference in interests there is disagreements. I don’t like some of the pork that’s in the bill, but it beats not doing anything. What we are choosing here is something that can benefit both the people and greedy snobs. Passing the health care package will bring an entry point to change in how this area is regulated. All the anger and shouting going on now is mostly promoted by lobbyists or people in there best interest to gain from not passing the health care bill. Let me put this in simpler terms, Rich people want to make the poor much poorer, that is a know fact. Try thinking from two different views and you’ll understand.

Reading comments on sites like this makes me lose faith in humanity. Too much stupidity…ahhhh! The bottom line is this two party system crap- us vs. them, will destroy this country. Maybe thats what we need.

I’m glad Dennis isn’t going to side with the Terrorists that call themselves the “GOP”.

this administration is bringing out the weasel in many people we once respected.
this is a blatent bribe! who will pay? us taxpayers who didnt want this to begin with.

@ Kelly March 17th, 2010 – 1:11 pm

“Maybe listen to NPR or any though provoking establishment instead of Fox which says a lot without much substance or imperical data.”

NPR, or as it is sometimes called, “National Politburo Radio” or National Partisan Radio”, is a notoriously left-leaning news source, just as Fox News is clearly biased toward neoconservatives. One needs to follow the money when discussing such things, and here’s just one link that does a fairly good job of doing that in relation to NPR.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2419777/posts

Is NPR thought-provoking? Yes. Will you hear stories there that you will likely not hear elsewhere in mainstream news media, presented in a civil manner? Yes. But will you get unbiased reporting, editing, and commentary? Absolutely, unequivocally, NO.

I know of no unbiased news source anywhere, with the possible exception of CSPAN.

Respectfully submitted.

How about listening to the PEOPLE, you jerk!

i do not mean any racial unfairness about this but it has crossed my mind that obama
just might have ruined the possibilities for any future black person to become presidnet
for a very long time. Many will unfairly link his behavior to other Blacks and will not
vote for another black person. i know it is unfair but imo honest opinion it will become
a stigma in the minds of many people. obama has become a disgrace to the people of america
and a disgrace to the american image of an american president.

Dennis you worm, are those carpet burns on your knees?

Do they even know nor care what it means ? F everyone of them and Brown voted to spend f’ing more money !!!!

The current oath was enacted in 1884:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

dennis i dare say you are looking like nothing but an insignificant bullied rat.

Awesome, Cucinich the kook is on board! There’s plenty of open seats on the Democrat train heading over the cliff. Who cares! How many votes did he get in the presidential primary? Like, ZERO!

Talk about losing your spine, he folded like a deck of cards.

Instead of quoting the bible and talking about how blood will run the streets why not do something constructive?? The US is NUMBER 9 in the list of HIGHEST OBESITY ratings in the world, and NUMBER 11 in the list of unhealthiest countries in the world…WAKE UP. I know the republitards are just afraid that this new health bill may give you a reason to not die of a pulmonary embolism, or a heart attack…BUT THE REALITY IS::: if you want to keep living you need to cut out the diet of burger king and glen beck re-runs. This health care bill was created to help ’six pack joes’ which make up a large percentage of the followers of the republican party…If you want to die of poor health, BE MY GUEST, but once you are gone we will have the peaceful enjoyment of free health care and as many pesticide-free veggies as we want…why not try thinking outside the box for a moment and stop re-hashing what sarah palin had to say the last time she emptied her bowels on national t.v…..HERES A THOUGHT::: HOW ABOUT BANNING LYING NEWS CASTS LIKE FOX IF YOU ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHO IS LYING……VIVA BARACK OBAMA! VIVA KUCINICH!

@ truth March 17th, 2010 – 2:29 pm

“obama just might have ruined the possibilities for any future black person to become presidnet for a very long time. Many will unfairly link his behavior to other Blacks and will not vote for another black person.”

Plausible, since most Americans today, myself included, are racists, and many, unlike myself, are hate-filled bigots. However, many, if not a majority of the racial bigotry we see nowadays coms from the political left. So, I still believe that a center-right candidate, or in this political climate, a true traditional conservative, could possibly be electable regardless of his or her race. Someone in the mold of a Clarence Thomas or a Thomas Sowell might still be electable, in my opinion. However, another black, far left socialist like Obama may be out of the picture for the foreseeable future. We’ll know in 2012.

The problem, of course, is that black Americans tend to vote almost monolithically socialist. So, given Obama’s track record, a future black President might only be electable if he or she were selected from that tiny sliver of the black population who did NOT support Obama in 2008. In short, I still suspect that Obama’s positions on issues still matter far more to most voters than does his race.

It’s incredible how many “real Americans” have been duped into voting against their own best interests by the Republican party. It must be hard for you that we have a brown-skinned president in the oval office, but at least take off your tin foil hat for five minutes and try to realize how ridiculous you sound when railing against the health insurance reform bill as being some kind of trojan horse for a socialist agenda. Clearly you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Kucinich was holding out because this bill didn’t do *enough* for the American people. And he was right. If you’re so scared of a Socialist agenda, then be glad he’s voting for it now. You’ll sure be glad the was bill passed when your obesity and type-2 diabetes flare up, and your cancer and other health problems stemming from your shameful diet and lifestyle threaten you with an early grave. At least then your insurance won’t be able to kick you off the rolls. Unless of course you’d rather die, in which case, please do.

Just a quick word of advice… all you “revolutionaries” should probably wait until this new health care bill passes so you don’t bankrupt your families with your new medical bills and all that.

I’ll call ahead and see if I can get y’all a bulk rate discount at the hospitals in DC as well.

I hope folks understand whats going on here. This is the ultimate battle for the US. Of course obama told kuchi to vote for this cause it can Never be reversed, by their calculation(maybe right). “We can only make it bigger and bigger”….^(*%(*., public option to follow, a given. This tips the scale where from this point forward more dependent on Feds than not…so bigger gov’t and more spending will always be supported by the public. Game over, folks.
The stakes are so enormous that there is Nothing obama will not do to get the other 3-4 votes he needs.
The mistake was made when the American people fell for this devil, not sure we survive him with words.

another democrat who will not be elected.
kucinich? just do a Dorgan-Dodd-Bayh?
it will save taxpayers’ money.

Thank you, Dennis! I know you wanted MORE, as I did! Especially the Public Option. But that will come in time as people beging to realize what this healthcare reform bill really is instead of just reacting to the mania of the right wing/tea party hysterical rhetoric… These knee-jerk reactions…’lock and load,’ ‘blood in the streets,’ ad nauseum are the voices of the ignorant who are certainly anything but benevolent. The naysayers here, AKA the right wing zealots who resist change and threaten chaos, are the treasonous among us…the world laughs at us as we try to change from the most selfish, self-serving means of helping the most needy among us…Obama was elected for change, and don’t forget it! He’s gonna make it and it’s gonna happen! All your fighting and screaming won’t change anything. You get what you give…

suddenly in the twinkling of a night a few people told him his year-long
thought process and conclusion is all wrong? i would not want this man representing
me for anything.

What a Loser and a Pu$$y……

@ rubehammer March 17th, 2010 – 2:51 pm

“…try to realize how ridiculous you sound when railing against the health insurance reform bill as being some kind of trojan horse for a socialist agenda.”
“Kucinich was holding out because this bill didn’t do *enough* for the American people. And he was right. If you’re so scared of a Socialist agenda, then be glad he’s voting for it now.”

Are you stating then, that President Obama et al does NOT view this current legislation as an incremental step toward single payer?

************************************IT is TIME to start ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT against (((ALL))) involved in this TRAITOROUS ACT against the American People!!! http://www.infowars.com

A solution to health care.
1. All left leaning democrates move to France and get on their dole.
2. Stop all immigration today.
3. Mandatory sterilization of people who can’t take care of their children.
4.Round up all illegal aliens and ship them back to their homeland.
This should thin the herd and the rest of us tax paying, hard working independent thinking Americans will get along fine.

You went for a ride-now you’re taking us for one.
I hope you went for more than 30 pieces of silver.

Rioting? LOL! I’d love to see a bunch of Republican teabaggers start a “riot.” That is who your saying is going to be rioting right tards? Seeing as most of the teabag parties can’t seem to agree with who’s conservative opinion is more right then the other…. *sigh

Oh well. Hair brained theories and schemes to keep the rich richer. It stopped amazing me a long time ago.

What a sum bag! This guy never changes. How is it that such lawyer scum rises to positions of power?

this barbie is a loon. Why don’t you start giving? Why don’t you get your unemployed azz a job and provide for yourself and quit expecting the producers
in this country to pay for your entitlements! You sound like such a bloodsucking parasite.

You are a coward and a traitor to your country. The american people will never forget or forgive those that vote yes on this bill.

To you idiots out there that voted these traitors into office, Nice Job!

I like to post comments in someone else’s name because, quite frankly, I am too ignorant to do anything else and my little brain thinks that this is cute.

I hope the “knee pads” were soft, Dennis.

Are you kidding… 30000 feet with a Chicago Thug… I would do anything not to be thrown out of Air Force One…. Thuggery is alive and well!

SO…what’s the story on Kuch’s WIFE getting a big role to play on Michelle Obama’s big children obesity program….THAT IS THE DEAL THAT DENNIS GOT!!

It’s pretty easy to persuade a guy that wears an aluminum foil hat. Let’s see what that rest of the dumbocrat losers do.

At what point do us regular folks decide it’s time to RUSH THE COCKPIT before these radicals crash our country into the ground. Can’t wait until November…..and I am…er…was…a life long democrat. (I am so ashamed.)

You have to wonder about his wife’s eyesight.

So the little turd caved.

TheBuddha March 17th, 2010 – 2:18 pm
They are really scared of Obama, and if he passes this historic legislation, it will prove one thing. Their childish stonewalling tactics don’t work.
I too don’t really care for the Senate Bill, but it’s a work in progress. The important thing is that we move forward, and get something done.

What a shortsighted dumbass you are. First off, you got all your facts just dead wrong. It seems that republicans did an excellent job slowing
down if not shutting down this god damned Obama fruitcake. The moron in chief had a super majority and still could not get his own arse
wiped without a great effort (thank goodness TheBuddha was there to help out in that department) In any case, what kind of moronic logic is
it to say that the important thing is to get something done. It makes more sense to get the right thing done, and in this case, the Obamacare
package is hated by most Americans. So grow some brains you pudgy dimwit.

OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST! DOWN WITH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICAN PIECES OF CRAP IN CONGRESS! OBAMA CAN’T RUN THIS GODDAMN COUNTRY WITHOUT PROPOSING SOME SORT OF SOCIALISM, COMMUNISM, AND TYRANNY INTO THE WORLD. I HOPE AMERICA WILL WAKE UP FROM THIS UTTER DISASTER! THE 1% OF THE WEALTHY POPULATION WILL BE IN TEARS IF THIS HEALTHCARE BILL PASSES. I MIGHT AS WELL DIG UP MY OWN GRAVE! THANKS TO OBAMA BIN LADEN WE ARE ALL GOING TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES! DON’T TRUST ANYONE IN POLITICS TO TELL YOU THE FACTS! EVERYTHING THE MEDIA SAYS IS ALL LIES!

LetsRoll March 17th, 2010 – 4:27 pm

Welcome aboard.

So he didnt listen to the voters, his wife told him how to vote instead?

One day you so-called “revolutionaries” will understand that a democratic government is designed to take care of the things that we value THAT DON’T MAKE A PROFIT. Everything that does, your beloved private enterprise has already claimed its share of. INSURING POOR, SICK, & ELDERLY AMERICANS IS NOT A PROFITABLE VENTURE AND WILL NEVER BE. Are you really comfortable watching the rich milk every last bit of profit from the poor? Do you really want your children and grandchildren living in a society where only the privileged have access to health care? WAKE UP!

So all of you who are against health care reform are totally ok with the health insurance companies making BILLIONS of dollars in profit every year while they continue to deny coverage and limit benefits? All so some ceo and his cronies can live high on the hog while people suffer? Seems to me the death panels are the insurance companies when they decide that necessary treatment is just not conducive to their huge profits. Oh yeah, that’s right, this is all about capitalism and making a profit, even though it means putting a price on a person’s life.

Why have jobs a all, lets all just run in the sun, play all day, party all nite. A utopia ain’t happenin in this countey of 300 million. Wake up and realize you can’t have anything unless you pay for it and you shouldn’t have children if you can’t provide for them. If I owned a business and couldn’t make a decent profit I’d pull up stakes and tell the people who don’t have the ability or drive to start their own business to go pound salt. Give me, give me, it ain’t fair, what a bunch of whinning bunch of takers with nothing to give!

i guess after this his wife will be able to bring anyone into the united states without
going through the usual immigration process? let’s watch this one real carefully.

Neosopheus March 17th, 2010 – 5:42 pm
So all of you who are against health care reform are totally ok with the health insurance companies making BILLIONS
————————————-
sounds like you listen to obamamedia exclusively.
obama is not interested in helping americans if he did he would have addressed TORT the main cause of the increases in healthcare.
additionally, it is not a quarrel with insurance companies that is the problem.
it is the proposal obama wants passed that is the problem. we never said we do not want a reformed package but what obama has on the table is a blatent moneygrap to put into the pockets of a selective few while all america pays through the nose. sure it sounds like free but it is anything but free.
this bill involves giving away money to obama’s friends.

this makes him look like a push-over.

maybe now he figured out why his wife married him.
she knew he’d be in a position of compromise and she could get whatever she wanted
by giving him up for something SHE wants.
i always thought they looked a little odd together.

Wow! Just look at the nutjobs on this site…. Boy are most of you people here misinformed, yet think you are somehow ‘enlightened’. Hooray for fearmongering!

Neosopheus March 17th, 2010 – 5:42 pm
So all of you who are against health care reform are totally ok with the health insurance companies making BILLIONS
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
I know its tough for a Socialist to get but companies taking risk and employing Americans is a good thing, 26,000,000 or so unemployed probably wish gov’t would get the hell out off their business so we could get back to work. Or is the next program going to be to reform the unemployed? Can gov’t be all things for all people? Why is it you guys want to bash anyone that works himself to success?

Lol at all of you white conservatives freaking out. Wake up, you are the problem, not those that want change.

Every single day that I am alive I am “blown away” by the lack of integrity that I see in many (if not most) of our elected officials!!! Many people will speculate on what Obama “did” to or for Kucinich to get his vote.

Even though I do want to know what happened, what bothers me the most is this.

This IDIOT, just spent nine minutes telling us basically how he was unsuccessful in impacting this bill with his own ideas/beliefs. He then said: “This is not the bill I wanted to support”, then admitted to the American people that he was casting a Yes vote.

Does anyone wonder why the American people think that our Congressmen and Women are either just stupid or unethical. These can be the only two reasons for what Kucinich just did.

Blindfire March 17th, 2010 – 5:24 pm

“One day you so-called “revolutionaries” will understand that a democratic government is designed to take care of the things that we value THAT DON’T MAKE A PROFIT.”

Actually, no. I hate to break it to you this way, but you have been deceived, and we revolutionaries understand far more than you give us credit for. First, democracy is a system of government, not an economic system, and is therefore not concerned with profit. A democratic government is defined, most simply, as majority rule. It is the doctrine that the numerical majority of an organized group can make decisions binding on the whole group. It is NOT as you state, “designed to take care of things that don’t make a profit”. Democracy has nothing to do with profit, nor compassion. It is simply majority rule. Moreover, the United States is NOT a Democracy. We neverwere, and we were in fact designed with safeguards in place to never become a democracy. The founders of our country knew that democracies cannot last.

We are a Constitutional Republic, meaning that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, not the whims of the majority. We the People, under Constitutional guidelines, elect representatives to preserve, protect and execute said Constitution.

Consider the Oath of Office:

“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.”

There is no mention here of democracy, nor of “the will of the People”, nor of “taking care of things that don’t make a profit”.

“INSURING POOR, SICK, & ELDERLY AMERICANS IS NOT A PROFITABLE VENTURE AND WILL NEVER BE. Are you really comfortable watching the rich milk every last bit of profit from the poor? Do you really want your children and grandchildren living in a society where only the privileged have access to health care?”

You are under the false impression that those of us who are opposed to the current health care legislation, do so out of greed, ignorance, and hatred of those less fortunate. The exact opposite is true. I am not a Republican, but it should be noted here that the “Bible Belt” states are consistently the most generous when it comes to giving to charity. These are overwhelmingly the “Red”, Republican states.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-11-20-national-giving_x.htm
When you consider that this legislation is not supported by ONE SINGLE REPUBLICAN IN EITHER HOUSE OF CONGRESS, it makes me question just how generous this legislation truly is.
Conservatives and Constitutionalists are not evil, greedy hate-mongers as you imply. We simply know that, of what we know about the legislation, (we’re told we’ll learn what’s in it after it’s passed), it is clear that it will not deliver as promised. And we also know that it is wholly incompatible with our Constitution and our founding principles, and that it therefore must be stopped.

I hope you’ll reconsider your position, and stop the class warfare and wealth envy. It only serves to diminish you, and does nothing to help the ones you profess to support. Defend the Constitution, and you’ll be defending those who need help the most in the long run.

Respectfully submitted.

This guy is the biggest idiot in Congress. I’ve listened to him before on T.V. and what a DUMB ASS. Old hippie moron.

what a slimy little man.not much pride in ohio I see

@ Brandon March 17th, 2010 – 6:45 pm

“Wow! Just look at the nutjobs on this site…. Boy are most of you people here misinformed, yet think you are somehow ‘enlightened’. Hooray for fearmongering!”

Welcome. Make yourself at home. There’s always room here for one more misinformed nut job who thinks he’s enlightened.

@ Neosopheus March 17th, 2010 – 5:42 pm

“So all of you who are against health care reform are totally ok with the health insurance companies making BILLIONS of dollars in profit every year while they continue to deny coverage and limit benefits? All so some ceo and his cronies can live high on the hog while people suffer?”

Your statement presumes that those of us who oppose this legislation specifically, oppose health care reform generally, which is, of course, false. If the Democrats would stop this juggernaut, and instead work to pass specific elements of health care reform that people can agree on, they would not find themselves holding the bag full of, corrupted, unconstitutional and 100 percent partisan crap they hold now.

“Seems to me the death panels are the insurance companies when they decide that necessary treatment is just not conducive to their huge profits. Oh yeah, that’s right, this is all about capitalism and making a profit, even though it means putting a price on a person’s life.”

You presume that the government will also work to preserve everyone’s life, regardless of cost. It is a mistaken assumption, because whether it’s publicly funded or privately, the sky is not the limit.

You, like many misguided socialists, believe that those who oppose this legislation do so due to their unmitigated greed. And you are simply wrong.

Yep…

A day after Obama threatens the ‘Nay’ voters by saying he won’t support candidates who run for re-election — Kucinich changed his vote.

Kucinich does anything to keep his job.

reality check please March 17th, 2010 – 6:04 pm
Neosopheus March 17th, 2010 – 5:42 pm
So all of you who are against health care reform are totally ok with the health insurance companies making BILLIONS
————————————-
sounds like you listen to obamamedia exclusively.
obama is not interested in helping americans if he did he would have addressed TORT the main cause of the increases in healthcare.
additionally, it is not a quarrel with insurance companies that is the problem.
it is the proposal obama wants passed that is the problem. we never said we do not want a reformed package but what obama has on the table is a blatent moneygrap to put into the pockets of a selective few while all america pays through the nose. sure it sounds like free but it is anything but free.
this bill involves giving away money to obama’s friends.

What exactly is a “moneygrap?” If you wish to make a point maybe you should learn how to proofread. My friend, it is a FACT that the health insurance companies make BILLIONS, not an opinion. Seems to me that the way the system is now it puts money into the pockets of a select few: the insurance companies. Yes, TORT reform is a piece of the puzzle but it is surely not the cure-all here. No one, including the president, has said that this is free, but if we sit idly by and bicker back and forth no one but the insurance companies will win.

@ stu March 17th, 2010 – 6:48 pm

“Lol at all of you white conservatives freaking out. Wake up, you are the problem, not those that want change.”

LOL.
Freaking out? You haven’t seen anything yet.
We are awake. Trust me.
No, ignorant racist bigots like you are the problem.
Be specific. What do you want “changed”? Change from what, to what?

Notice that Brandon the little chicken sh-t failed to set us straight on any of the “real” facts. Wonder why?
Because the worthless troll had no facts.

Just another sleazy Congressman. I wonder what they offered him!

NOQTR4TR8RS, Seriously, are you hammered?

Most major U.S. Health Benefit Providers return a very high percentage of collected premiums to their members. And, at the end of each year make a very small profit margin. Wellpoint, one of the largest Health Benefit Providers, (that Congress decided to “make an example of”) in FY08 returned 75% of each dollar to cover health benefits. Wellpoints profit of $2.4B, while a target of anti-capitalists was only 4% of revenues. And OMG, they paid 42,000 employees paychecks every month and supported countless vendors and their employees. What a discraceful organization Wellpoint is!

And by the way for you anti-capitalist business illiterates. The profit that a business makes gets invested back in the business to ensure long term financial stength of the company. But then, I guess GSE’s don’t have to concern themselves with minor details

Their is NO POSSIBLE WAY that the U.S. governement can match this type of fiscally efficient health benefits delivery. And without a profit/loss scenario health care costs will continue to skyrocket.

God help the USA if we end up with a single-payer system run by GSE’s!

See Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for more details.

@ Tom March 17th, 2010 – 8:15 pm

“NOQTR4TR8RS, Seriously, are you hammered?”

Do you care to discuss something specific that I said, or were you just going to insult me for no reason and move on?

Hey Brandon….Your husband called and said for you to bring home a gallon of milk… You are an ignorant A$$…….

I have an inkling as to how the Pretender in Chief got Dennis Kicinich to flip his vote. On their flight on Air Farce One when they reached 15,000 feet he was shown the plane door and given the choice of a parachute (for yes)
and an umbrella (for no).
Ah, the power of persuasion, Chicago style.

I have never seen such ignorance contained in comments as such on this website. Socialist? are you kidding me? Get back to earth and realize this isn’t socialism. The people will fight for a public option and the people will win… Watch

Hehe – do you critics realize that the only reason Kucinich wasn’t supporting the bill was because it WAS NOT liberal enough? It’s not because he agrees with the right-wing propaganda du jour. He was voting merely on principle and no one should be surprised he changed his vote. Watching liberals and conseratives duke it out would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad. Thanks to bi-partisanship our legislative branch is worthless.

Wow. Some people here are just amazing. Life must suck when you are such an angry person and a pessimist. You don’t know what made him change his mind, but assumptions are just rampant. Man… unbelievable.

I don’t know why trying to allow the government to limit the power of insurance companies is unpatriotic. I wish there was a public option, that seems to me like the best way to ensure that insurance companies can’t charge a fortune and then not deliver when someone needs coverage.

Medicare seems to work, and Hawaii and Vermont have state-run health care that they seem to like. The only reason people are angry about healthcare being affected by the current government is because they listen to Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh and are too lazy to ever challenge themselves. Learn to read the newspaper, learn to watch news that is not saturated by FOX’s opinion.

FOX is the Republican party and you should only support it if you are wealthy and selfish.

It is troubling that the party associated more strongly with Christianity is the Republican party. To side against helping the sick and the poor is un-christian. Being a Christian, I am highly offended by this association, and disappointed in those who continue to claim to be Christian while attacking anyone who supports healthcare reform.

If you are against this bill, please list some SPECIFIC items that you have a problem with. I’d rather discuss that, than just watch you run through names you learned on FOX (pretender in chief, air farce one).

Real mature, rondell.

whole in the body,whole in the spirit.,hole in your shiet for brains head.,
i really hate these bastard socialist.,
who gives a shiet what you like , you piece of shiet moron.
woow really you want to do all that you fukn jackazz.
lying dipshiet. lets support him out the door now.
ITS NOT A CIVIL RIGHT..wHATS next housing is a civil right.,how about college, what about food, we need air conditioning too.,a little heat would be good.,,how about some transportation,,i lik boats.,,fuk these bastards.,,out they go.,,,is this the guy that seen ufo’s..loks like he has been anal probed fasure.

I wonder if he enjoyed the bed located on Air Force one. I bet he was the bottom boy with Obama the Marxist on top.

I’m with you Chad. I’m shocked at the responses. I respect Kucinich, and I respect his decision. Seriously?.. people think he was bought? SO all these guys would prefer crappy healthcare as it is right now, than a compromise.

Good for you Kucinich, you know that you cant have it your way, so you go with the next best thing,forget these useless losers who only know how to attack and judge people.

Kucinich lost me at the start of his speech.

Since when has: “Each generation has had to take up the question of how to provide for the health for the people of our nation.”???????????????

What the hell is Kucinich talking about?

God help us all. What kind of idiots are we electing to represent us!

yes we do…Chi-town thugs. are you blind and stupid?

My life was saved by this crappy health care at Harborveiw hospital in Seattle and I had no insurance. I was put on the state blue cross at a rate that matched my income. So what the f are you talking about???

Hello Fellow Americans: Here’s a question for Kuninich, “What did the President or anyone else promise you for your Yes vote?” I wish the MSM would pick up on this and will ask this simple, yet hard to ask question. America, stand up and help protect the Constitution. Call and or write to your Congressmen and Congresswomen to tell them America does not want a health care bill that has to be negotiated behind closed doors, and that has to be rammed down the throats of the Americans who work and pay taxes. America help our Constitution stay pure. Help keep America home of the free and the brave, not the sheep, and the meek. Congress needs to reform health care, but not at the costs they plan on voting on. We do not need to bankrupt America. We need reform, not the “do it or else” type mentality. We need reform that will cut or contain costs. We need reform that will limit unjust lawsuits, (Tort) reform, and we need the ability to seek insurance coverage across state, and maybe even country lines. If big companies can cut the costs because of volume, then individuals should be able to group up to get the same type of discounts. What is happening in Congress now is reckless and UN-American. We need reform not a deformed bill. Bring the debate back to the people. Bring the common sense to Congress, for it is evident they have forgotton who they represent. God Bless our Troops, God Bless America. Sincerely Joe American 1776.

I think at someone point, Dems just have to bite the bullet and get something passed. The fact is that Democrats are basically the Whimpy Kids, they never have the balls to stand up for what they believe in nor would they point out those Dems who vote against the party. http://www.baduku.com/topics/health-care-reform-2009_1237

isnt this the lil turp that seen ufo’s, yet the ppl from, where ever the hell he is from keep voting for him.,,says alot about those voters.,morons.,health care is a right????i read the bill of rights, i must have missed that one.,the ole lady holding the sign has to be on medicare so what the hell is she even doing there? im telling you these liberals are a bunch of droons. they will do what ever they are told. hey lady take this sign n go stand over there an make believe u want healthcare.,it dont matter you already have healthcare.,you want this healthcare.,,

did you guys even watch the video? just keep listening to what Faux News tells you to believe…

You guys really relied on the Emperor of the Planet Zoltar to side with the Republicans on this issue? His problem with Obamacare was that it wasn’t socialist enough. The Kuke won’t be completely happy until everyone pays a 100% tax on their income in order to get free health care provided by medical school drop-outs making union wages. But he’s smart enough to know that while Obamacare isn’t his idea of perfection now, it eventually will be.

He was also holding out for some federal funds for the peaceloving, indigenous peoples of Jupiter.

http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_videos/659615?sel_song_id=3407393&autoplay=1

@ Alex March 17th, 2010 – 10:51 pm

“I have never seen such ignorance contained in comments as such on this website. Socialist? are you kidding me? Get back to earth and realize this isn’t socialism.”

You delude yourself by believing that this legislation does not contain elements of socialism. Obama himself states that the transition to single payer will be made in increments. This is only the first step.

Look at the legislation:
1. INDIVIDUAL MANDATORY HEALTH CARE INSURANCE
If this isn’t social interventionism, then nothing is. YOu have no right whatsoever to have your government thugs force me to purchase the services of others at the tip of a government bayonet. It is blatantly unconstitutional, draconian and immoral. Constitutionalists will never comply, and you had better BACK OFF.

2. EMPLOYER MANDATORY HEALTH CARE
This is state control of capital within the framework of a market economy, which is the very definition of Reformist Socialism.

3. INSURANCE EXCHANGES
These constitute an unfunded Federal mandate, which will increase taxes and debt at the state level. I question whether it is Constitutional for the Federal government to require states to create, operate and fund such exchanges. The courts will no doubt be busy determining the legality of this portion of Obama Care. Moreover, the exchanges will likely result in HIGHER COSTS, according to the CBO. For approximately 57% of the people, these higher costs will be subsidized by seizing wealth from their fellow citizens, and from their children and grandchildren, at gunpoint.
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/Newsletters/Washington-Health-Policy-in-Review/2009/Dec/December-7-2009/CBO-Looks-at-Senates-Health-Insurance-Exchange.aspx

4. SUBSIDIES FOR THOSE UP TO 400% OF POVERTY LEVEL
“During the higher phase of communism, the standard shall be “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”
~ Karl Marx
One question I have, is what happens to the person making 375% of the poverty level, who has the opportunity to better himself to 410% of the poverty level, and perhaps consider starting a business or hiring an employee? Faced with the prospect of losing his subsidized health care, and progressive taxation, what choice do you think he’ll make? SOCIALISM STIFLES PRODUCTIVITY. SOCIALISM KILLS MOTIVATION!

5. MEDICAID EXPANSION
Socialism expansion. Oh, and Medicaid is BROKE.

6. NO LIFETIME LIMITS OR BENEFIT CAPS
Thereby forcing loss onto the private insurer, and guaranteeing higher premiums, fewer insurers, or both. Social interventionism.

7. MANDATORY COVERAGE FOR PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS
The equivalent of calling from the scene of the accident to purchase collision coverage for your car, and forcing the insurer to write the policy – and the big fat check. Guarantees higher premiums, fewer insurers, or both. This is social interventionism.

8. INCREASED TAXES
The Senate Bill funds it’s madness by taxing so-called “Cadillac” plans, while protecting those plans held by many union members. They also plan to fund it by adding a 10% tax on indoor tanning. Do you believe for an instant that this program will not be underfunded? This behemoth will only add to the already unsustainable deficit and national debt. It will be funded by forcibly seizing the wealth of citizens and redistributing it to those who did not earn it. That is socialism.

9. ABORTION FUNDING
Morally wrong, for obvious reasons.

This legislation is, without a doubt socialism. It most certainly is not free market capitalism when a regime requires it’s subjects to purchase insurance coverage or face penalties, or ultimately seizure of property and imprisonment. That portion of the legislation is blatantly unconstitutional.

You assert that “the people will fight for a public option and the people will win… Watch”. I hope you are wrong, because if you succeed, then Constitutionalists and conservatives will be forced to do what we must to preserve our Republic.

@ Tom March 17th, 2010 – 8:15 pm
NOQTR4TR8RS, Seriously, are you hammered?

Clearly, Tom’s idea of intelligent political discussion is to ring your door bell, shout “LOSER”, when you open the door, and then scamper off into the night.

justamom March 17th, 2010 – 10:32 am
So Dennis…what was your price for this yes vote?

It was the ride in the Presidential 747 and a promise that he’ll get to ride on the “mothership” when it returns from the other solar system…

He’s a total joke!!!

to all the crybabies here. stfu. seriously. the problem is bigger than this. why are all of you so narrow minded?

all you do is bitch instead of taking action. you have no right to complain. all you losers do is sit at home and whine.

and the rest are trolls. that’s right I can play the blame game too. wheeeeeee.

Now I’ve heard everything. He should be talking to his constituents not the people railroading this bill. Wonder what it cost the taxpayers to buy that vote? This is the most arrogant bunch of thieves to ever set foot in the oval office. Yes, I know, if I don’t like it here I can leave. Not a bad idea, huh?

As many others have noticed. Rupert Mudrock and his partisan hack machine News Corporation have so mis-informed and marketed the Corporatist agenda that a portion of our society is living in a reality made just for them.

They’ve learned that feeding people what they want to hear works. It works in the Corporate Boardroom, it works in Congress, it works on the Mainstreet of America.

The fundamental problem is very simple. Conservatives are convinced Liberals believe everything they see in the “liberal media”, because they believe everything in the Conservative Media.

The fact of the matter is, most liberals don’t believe Corporate Media (CNN, ABC, FOX, etc), because it’s a proven fact they peddle nothing but simple Corporate Propaganda and have no interest in educating anyone on matters of importance to the American People.

Corporate Media serves Corporate Interests. They use the airwaves owned by the American Public to manipulate the american populace into believing whatever they want. They are no longer a public service, they are not doing things to benefit the country, only to benefit their Corporate sponsors.

Public television, that used to be an independent voice, is now largely under the control of the same corporations that own the Corporate Networks.

It has been this way for a long time, and the media consolidation rules changed under the Bush Administration, completed the process. In fact we PAY to have this propaganda delivered to our homes in HD!?!?!

When we start learning to think for ourselves, rather than listening to a particular viewpoint, not because it’s wrong or right, but because we’re “comfortable with it” we might get somewhere.

It is really interesting to read how people are so appalled by this so called “socialist” health care bill. Yet no one is up in arms about all of the other “socialist” programs that our government provides. In 2009, $944 billion was spent on “social” security, $408 billion on medicare, $224 billion on medicaid and state children’s health insurance program, and another $360 billion on welfare, unemployment, and other mandatory spending. Roughly half of government spending goes to these “socialist” programs which totals almost $2 trillion dollars. So anyone who says that the U.S. is not socialist in some way has their head way up their butt. And another thing, most states require drivers to carry car insurance. How is mandatory health care insurance any different? As to those who are crying about Obama wanting to redistribute wealth: what do you think taxing people does? Under Bush, the gap between the rich and the poor grew to the largest amount it has ever been. The system is inherently stacked in favor of the rich. If things were more fairly distributed there would be no need to worry about socialism at all, but the way our system is now the inevitable consequence is socialism.

This treasonous idiot is nothing but a sell-out. He’s a typical liberal possessing no convictions or morals. He’s been bought off . . . with our money! People of Ohio, do your civic duty and vote this buffoon out of office!

@ Givemeabreak March 18th, 2010 – 12:14 pm

“…no one is up in arms about all of the other “socialist” programs that our government provides. In 2009, $944 billion was spent on “social” security, $408 billion on medicare, $224 billion on medicaid and state children’s health insurance program, and another $360 billion on welfare, unemployment…”

With respect, Your statement is inaccurate. I for one, am “up in arms” over all the programs you list. That is to say, I oppose them, probably on the state level, but most certainly on the Federal level. I support a gradual phase-out of all the Federal programs you mention. Oh, and those programs aren’t “mandatory”. Our country prospered greatly for decades without them. They are discretionary.

“Roughly half of government spending goes to these “socialist” programs which totals almost $2 trillion dollars. So anyone who says that the U.S. is not socialist in some way has their head way up their butt.”
I agree. And it’s beyond time to begin the healing process, restore COnstitutional order, and begin to phase these programs out.

“And another thing, most states require drivers to carry car insurance. How is mandatory health care insurance any different? ”

It’s different in several of important ways. First, Democrat Care is at the Federal level, not the state, so it is in direct violation of the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Moreover, it is an unfunded Federal mandate directed at the states.

Second, citizens can opt out of mandatory auto insurance. They can do so by moving to a state that does not require it; or by opting for a surety bond which would negate the requirement for insurance; or by choosing not to drive. Under DemocratCare, if you are an American citizen, you are forced to comply, at the tip of a government bayonet.That means if it passes Sunday, as predicted, a baby born in America on Monday is born into a form of bondage.

Thirdly, access to subsidized coverage under Democrat Care is income based, and funded by other citizens. As Karl Marx put it, “during the higher phase of communism, the standard shall be ‘from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.’ ”

There are other difference as well, but the ones listed are more than sufficient to compel defenders of our Constitution to oppose this intolerable act known as Democrat Care. If you support Democrat Care, you are an enemy of the Constitution and the founding principles of this country. You cannot be a supporter of both.

“As to those who are crying about Obama wanting to redistribute wealth: what do you think taxing people does? ”
Under the model intended by the Founders, spending at the Federal level was intended to be strictly limited to those debts directly provided for in our Constitution. Beginning with the New Deal, our country lost her way, and now the bills are piling up faster than we can pay. Our founders knew this, tried to construct our system to prevent it, and repeatedly warned us against letting it happen.

“Under Bush, the gap between the rich and the poor grew to the largest amount it has ever been. The system is inherently stacked in favor of the rich. If things were more fairly distributed there would be no need to worry about socialism at all, but the way our system is now the inevitable consequence is socialism.”
Bush was not a Constitutionalist, and he was not a fiscal conservative. He was part of the problem. Obama et al, was elected to reverse the course set by Bush & CO. However, he has instead made things far, far worse, and continues to do so today. The remedy for social interventionism is not more of the same.

Socialism may be inevitable, as you assert. Time will tell. But the complete dismantling of our Constitutional Republic must occur first, because the “fair distribution” you refer to, i.e., marxism, and our Constitution and founding principles are wholly incompatible. Each is designed to destroy the other. That is why we see such a bitter partisan divide in our country today. Two diametrically opposed ideologies are fighting for the American nation. But know this: There are tens of millions of us in this country who will see this country remain a Constitutional Republic, or die in an effort to preserve it against socialism, communism and fascism.

Respectfully submitted.

@ NOQTR4TR8RS March 18th, 2010 – 12:52 pm
With respect, your statement is inaccurate. Those programs are listed under “mandatory” spending in government reports. Another thing, citizens cannot opt out of mandatory auto insurance. Move to another state? Wow that is practical. Give up driving? Even more practical. Our founders knew jack about the world we live in and to presume that you “know” what they thought is pretentious. Yes, we are trending ever more towards socialism. As classes disappear we will be left with the haves and the have nots, exactly what Marx warned would be the precursor towards socialism. So you would do away with all these social programs? When it is time for you to retire I assume that you will happily and readily send your social security check back? Your threats are rather idle, that you and tens of millions will “see this country remain a constitutional republic, or die in an effort to…” That will be the day. The masses are nothing more than pawns and sleepwalkers, rather incapable of thinking for themselves. They would rather watch reality television all day than actually lift a book and think for themselves. You seem like you have some intelligence, but you are just as radical as those you are against.

Instead of sitting around writing on the internet get off your ass and go start a company instead of wanting wealth redistribution. Your just lazy or to dumb to go get your own and not steal someone elses money. You lazy ,whinning crybabies make me sick. With all the opporunities we have in this country you could go make something of yourself but its easier to take someone elses hard earned money.All this history stuff you spew ain’t gonna pay the bills. So either do something to earn your own way or STFU

this is a little off subject but where did everyone supersize their ignorance? they don’t have that option at my local walmart! any help would be greatly appreciated.

@ Givemeabreak March 18th, 2010 – 1:19 pm

“With respect, your statement is inaccurate. Those programs are listed under “mandatory” spending in government reports.”
OK. I see where you’re coming from. I was thinking literally, while you were coming at it from the political perspective. You’re right that those entitlements are considered “mandatory”, in the sense that we’ve made them so. We’ve made the promise, and many are now dependent upon that system, and so now we must try to keep that promise. I was looking at it from the broader historical perspective, and making the point that the programs are not mandatory from a Constitutional perspective, and hence, they are not mentioned anywhere therein, and didn’t exist until 150 or so years after the founding of the Republic. I’m sorry that wasn’t clear from my statement.

“Another thing, citizens cannot opt out of mandatory auto insurance.”
Yes, they can, and do, as I described in my post. My statement is demonstrably factual.

“Move to another state? Wow that is practical.”
Don’t attempt to bullshit me, or the other people on this forum by suggesting that I support moving to another state to avoid mandatory auto insurance. I never said that. Let’s cut the crap, and have a constructive conversation, or please don’t waste my time. I simply challenged, specifically, accurately and concisely, your false assertion that Democrat Care was no different than state-level mandatory auto insurance. I pointed out that there are differences, and gave specific examples. And that is one of the examples. I never stated or implied that it was practical. In most cases, it probably is not. Also, do not construe my argument to imply that I support or oppose mandatory auto insurance. I have made no statement one way or the other in that regard. My position on that issue is not relevant to your original post, so I have withheld my opinion on it.

“Give up driving? Even more practical.”
Again, it’s not a practical option for many people, but it is an option. And for some – people with poor driving records, costly high risk insurance and with access to more affordable means of transportation for instance – it may be an option. Under Democrat Care, THERE IS NO OPTION EXCEPT FINES, LOSS OF PROPERTY, AND ULTIMATELY IMPRISONMENT for non-payment of taxes. And that is a clear, definite difference between mandatory car insurance and Democrat Care.

“Our founders knew jack about the world we live in…”
That’s a matter of opinion. I believe they knew more about human nature, politics, and governments than most Americans today will ever know. Especially those “pawns” and “sleepwalkers” to whom you refer in the latter part of your post.

“…and to presume that you “know” what they thought is pretentious.”
I make no presumption that I “know” all the thoughts of all the founders on all issues. For you to call me pretentious is simply a diversionary tactic on your part to make my personality the subject of our debate, instead of our position on the topic of our discussion – socialized health care. If that’s the best you can do by way of debate, then you disappoint me, but frankly, you don’t surprise me. Nonetheless, we do know a great deal about what the Founders thought about to many issues relative to governments, the governed, and how democracies fail. We know what they thought about these things, not because we’re psychic, but because they were very prolific writers, and their writings still survive for all of us to read and study today. It’s all there in black and white for you and I to see. And to their credit, much of it is written, often purposefully, in plain language.

“Yes, we are trending ever more towards socialism. As classes disappear we will be left with the haves and the have nots, exactly what Marx warned would be the precursor towards socialism.”
I’m not sure how you can argue on one hand, that “classes are disappearing”, and on the other that the gulf between rich and poor continues to expand. Unless you refer to the shrinking middle class. I’m also not sure that Marx “warned” of the precursors of socialism, as much as he simply predicted it, thought it was a natural progression of things, and was hence neither opposed nor in favor of it. I will admit to not being a complete expert on Marx, however. I have read some of his works, but not all. What is certain to me, however, that generally speaking, the mass redistribution of wealth, and the socialist interventionism we have today at the Federal level is anti-Constitutional, and would be considered by our Founders to be abhorrent and tyrannical.

“So you would do away with all these social programs?”
Absolutely. One caveat, however, I would do it in a slow, responsible manner, to allow people who have become directly, or indirectly, dependent upon these institutions to adjust. And that would include most of us.

“When it is time for you to retire I assume that you will happily and readily send your social security check back?”
That’s a weak effort to paint me as a hypocrite, and it won’t work. If that’s the best argument you have, you really should try harder. No, I won’t send my check back. I, or rather, we, are forced to pay into the system. So, if the decision is made, in spite of my best efforts, to keep the socialist system intact, and to keep stealing our wealth at gunpoint to fund it, I will try to take back out whatever portion that I contributed when I am so entitled. Common sense dictates as much. The alternative is for my government to steal my money, but then when the opportunity arises to legally collect a portion of it back, I tell the thieves who took it to keep it, because I oppose the idea of them having taken it the first place. That’s absurd, and for you to call me less than intellectually honest for not taking such a position is absurd as well. If our government were to announce a gradual phase-out of social security at some specific future date, and that I would either no longer be eligible, (or would be eligible for less), but that taxpayers would be given tax relief once the promise had been kept and the national debt is repaid, I would wholeheartedly support the measure.

“Your threats are rather idle, that you and tens of millions will “see this country remain a constitutional republic, or die in an effort to…” That will be the day. The masses are nothing more than pawns and sleepwalkers, rather incapable of thinking for themselves. They would rather watch reality television all day than actually lift a book and think for themselves.

Time will tell if my “threats” are idle nor not. You’ll notice that my estimate of tens of millions accounts for only a percentage of the 307 million Americans, so please don’t presume that I consider the majority of our people to be determined Constitutionalists. I am under no such illusion.

“You seem like you have some intelligence,…”
I do have better than average intelligence. Thanks for noticing.

“…but you are just as radical as those you are against.”
Perhaps. I would certainly like to think that I am at least equally as passionate about freedom and liberty as my foes are about the false sense of “equality” and “fairness” that comes with global collectivism.

Another very important point that you need to understand is that we Patriots have nowhere else to go, while you socialists have much of the globe at your disposal. There are countries around the world where you can go and live under a socialist, communist, or fascist system. However, for us, there are no new frontiers for us to go our own way in peace and form a new Constitutional Republic. We must make our stand here, if we are to maker it at all. That fact, and the increasing brazenness of the political left force Patriots to make tough decisions. You’ve got us surrounded, but I pity you, not us.

If you consider me radical, that’s acceptable to me, as long as you consider me to be honest. I speak the truth, or at least my thoughtful opinion. Then I let people’s opinions of me fall where they may.

So Kuchinic did a licensed Dr do the castration or did Nancy do it herself?

To givemeabreak March 18th, 2010 – 1:37 pm
Instead of sitting around writing on the internet get off your ass and go start a company instead of wanting wealth redistribution. Your just lazy or to dumb to go get your own and not steal someone elses money. You lazy ,whinning crybabies make me sick. With all the opporunities we have in this country you could go make something of yourself but its easier to take someone elses hard earned money.All this history stuff you spew ain’t gonna pay the bills. So either do something to earn your own way or STFU

First off, learn to spell. Secondly, you make far too many assumptions. Thirdly, calling names reveals your ignorance. To quote Bertand Russell, “whereof one cannot speak, thereof one should remain silent.” That probably went right over your head…

61 years the left has been trying to pass this crap!!

1949 Anti-Health Insurance Reform Pamphlet

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O’Really? March 17th, 2010 – 12:32 pm

Hey, your proctologist called they said you have a tumor and you’re going to need brain surgery. LOL!!!

What are you a spelling idiot savant? Go down to the coffee shop and quote your obscure philosphers and see if that will pay your bill.The intellegencia is good at spewing bullcrap but not very good at creating a product that sells and creates jobs. When you go to your next book club meeting take Andrew Carneiges autobiography not Nietzches Superman.

Togivemeabreak March 18th, 2010 – 3:29 pm
What are you a spelling idiot savant? Go down to the coffee shop and quote your obscure philosphers and see if that will pay your bill.The intellegencia is good at spewing bullcrap but not very good at creating a product that sells and creates jobs. When you go to your next book club meeting take Andrew Carneiges autobiography not Nietzches Superman.

Once again, another comment bereft of any intelligent content.

He’s such an icky little man.

The only person on here who seems to have done much research on the anti-healthcare side is the “TR8TRS” guy. The rest seem like Fox’s zombies.

I support healthcare reform. I believe that you can still “earn your own” and just deal with the fact that the government is taking some of your money to help someone else stay healthy. Personally, I’d rather have that than an increase in the gap between the income classes in this country, and the associated crime and strife that comes with that.

Secondly, while healthcare may increase the government deficit, it may not be as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Take this scenario, for example: A person with a serious medical issue goes to a hospital and receives treatment, but they are uninsured. The uninsured are often charged more than the insured, because the insurance companies work to limit what their customers can be charged. The service they receive is expensive, and they go bankrupt. In a bankruptcy, whatever money a business doesn’t recover is usually written off in taxes, and so the government loses money, increasing the federal deficit. This seems to make sense to me.

Thirdly, I’m all for helping out my fellow man. I know that I am good enough at life that I will always be able to make it on my own. Because I’m not worried for myself, I have no problem giving an extra couple hundred dollars to the government, provided they use it to help poor people get healthcare, and not go to war because Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld want to further their pet project, “The Project for the New American Century”, which existed before they took office, and is basically the whole reason (aside from giving money to Halliburton and other Corporate contractors in the reconstruction) why they went to Iraq.

Right now, despite everything, our country is still pretty sweet. I don’t think we need to make the next century into an “American” one, I’m fine with just being the best country in the world and not trying to police other nations, especially when we have more than enough problems here at home. I think that in a country as wealthy as ours, we can all afford to pay a little more so that everyone can be healthy.

Also, FYI, I am currently insured, I have low premiums, and great coverage, making me a minority in America. However, I realize that I don’t need 500-1000 dollars a year as much as the sick and poor do. So I can’t get two PS3’s, or I have to plan a bit to invest the maximum into my retirement fund, big deal. Someone else gets to live.

NOQTR4TR8RS

I would like to know what your ideal U.S.A. would look like?

HenryJ March 19th, 2010 – 1:49 am

“I would like to know what your ideal U.S.A. would look like?”

Sorry for the delay. I was away all day on business.

Your question is far, far too broad to adequately answer in this forum. I can only begin to summarize. Here’s my best attempt to do so. Let me begin by saying that I am a Constitutionalist, (as it is today amended) in the strictest sense. I also reject the popular notion in this country that global socialism is inevitable. It is not too much to ask that one piece of real estate on this planet be reserved for those of us who believe as I do, where we can be allowed to Live Free or Die, so long as we are not directly harming their fellow countrymen, nor anyone else’s countrymen. And the United State of America, or a portion of it, must be that piece of real estate.

It matters not to me if the theme song of the rest of the entire world becomes John Lennon’s “Imagine”; or if they choose theocracy; or if they wish to bow to a dictator or a king. These things are totally contrary to my philosophy, and my countrymen have no right to force me to adopt their global philosophy at the tip of a government bayonet. People who believe as I do have a right to create and preserve our non-interventionist Constitutional Republic, with free markets, strictly limited and minimalist central government, abundant personal liberties, and vigilantly protected private property rights, which are guaranteed by a well armed, well educated, and well informed general populace. We have a culture, and it is the American culture, not a global culture. We have a right to preserve that culture.

I believe, in “Live and Let Live”, in the sense that I support a non-interventionist foreign policy, along the lines of what George Washington described in his farewell address:

“The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop.”

My America would adhere to this philosophy, and those leaders who did not would be impeached and removed. Those who resisted would be led to the cell or to the gallows. We would surely make ourselves more prosperous, and more respected around the world.

My America would have a justice system that crushes seditionists and Anti-Constitutionalists infiltrators swiftly and without mercy. With plenty of other socialist, communist, fascist, or theocratic societies on the globe to choose from, there’s simply no excuse for the Constitution to be so weakened as to permit it’s own demise. The Constitution is, as the left is fond of saying, a “living document” that can change with the times. And the way that happens is by the process of amending the Constitution – and by that process ONLY. This chicken shi.t argument the left uses, that it’s a living document, so therefore we get to decide whatever it means on a given day, would cease instantly, and forever. Most especially would this be enforced in our courts, our classrooms, our college campuses, and our newsrooms.

Violent predators who prey on women and children, or who kill for the thrill of it, wouldn’t get three strikes, or twenty six strikes. They’d get only one strike, followed by life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. Repeat offenders, or those found guilty of multiple convictions after initial capture, would get one strike, followed by a fastball made of lead – right between the eyes, or a rope around their neck and a sudden stop.

My America would be a compassionate America, but not because of a government mandate. Government entitlements, like health care, welfare, etc. would be clearly, unequivocally and without exception, unconstitutional and illegal. Wise Americans know that to teach a man to fish feeds him for a lifetime. To pay him to stay at home and buy fish for him destroys the man. It weakens the mind and the body, steals life’s hard-earned accomplishments from him. The bread winning skills he loses cannot be passed to posterity, and the sense of entitlement is passed on in it’s place. Nanny statism, in this manner, progressively rots the whole society from within. Our compassion must comes from knowing firsthand, from the experiences of a bitter World War, that a country who takes Darwinism, or “survival of the fittest” to it’s extreme conclusion, rapidly loses it’s character, it’s respect around the world, it’s ability to govern, and ultimately invites it’s own demise. But more than this, the stewards of “my” America – the rational, hard-working commonsense men and women, know that it is their moral duty to help those less fortunate, as their own means allows. As they grow to positions of strength in their own lives, the wise will know that posterity, and their legacy, and the future of their country depends on their generosity. And it is they, and not the government, who should determine who is truly worthy of a hand up in the form of their wealth, and who is simply looking for a handout. Foreign aid would end – all of it.

My America would not foul it’s own nest. Common sense environmental protection and conservation laws, based on science and reason, not on science fiction and communist dogma, would be enforced.

My America would define “equality” or “social justice” as sameness in access to opportunity, regardless of race, gender or sexual orientation. It would NOT be defined as sameness of outcome, according to race gender or sexual orientation. Equal treatment under the law would prevail in every instance. That means that institutional bigotry, in all it’s evil forms, including Affirmative Racism, race and gender quotas, and “hate crime” laws would cease to exist, and would be declared illegal and unconstitutional.

Laws that attempt to dictate what consenting adults can eat, drink, smoke, snort, inject, swallow, grow, brew, distill, concoct, or stuff up their ass would be illegal. Only when an innocent person is victimized would a law be broken. Victimless crimes would cease.

So, any man or woman, who wanted to live a free society, and have equal opportunity, but with no, or a scant minimum in the way of a government-mandated “safety net”, would be welcome in my America.

I hope it gives you something in the way of an answer to your question.

Respectfully submitted.

Absolutely. I am sure this wasn’t easy decision for him. But letting insurers lobby and regressives (conservatives) to win this fight would make any future changes of health care impossible. This bill is not perfect but it is a great step forward. This is not the last step. It’s the first step in getting closer to what majority wants. Affordable quality healthcare available to every American.

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