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Another indication of this impending New World Order.

Italian Catholics will probaly revolt over there-though.

You know it is getting bad when the Catholic Center of the World, the Country that houses a country completely Catholic, Vatican, within its capital city. Now why are we doing this, allowing our religion to be persecuted, well that is because we are allowing our minority write the books and the rules and not allowing the majority to speak.

This my friends can be compared to a war. Except the strategy is not to have the bigger army but to have the louder voice because they have already outlawed our weapons. They are a small army and they are taking over the largest army and making them submit to their will. Though this has nothing to do with race but all minorities, the majority is sleeping at their posts and allowing their freedoms to be taken away. And why, because those who are in the majority have gotten drunk off the blood of greed, selfishness, and laziness and are not willing to look around to see what we are losing. OUR FREEDOM. We must be a SILENT MAJORITY NO MORE. The great thing is unlike some of the groups that are pushing change in this country all for their benefit, there is a way to help the minority and keep our rights and our freedoms. Call me racist, call me a bigot, but what you don’t know is that I am a native American with a ‘Controversial’ (to some) Minority Religion, I have a heart disorder, and I am still part of a majority of those who want to keep our freedoms and our sovereignty.

SOURCE OF THE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH AND FALL OF THE MAJORITY, FOUND DAILY ON: http://www.americanparchment.com

The crucifix is blasphemy, believers, and anyone else with ears to hear are plainly told that Christ is at the right hand of the Father. RIGHT NOW AND FOREVER MORE!

Fools without ears to hear believe Satan, and leave Him upon the cross!

Also, the cross is NOT the sign of Christianity.

Christ refused to give men a sign when they demanded one! A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed. Matthew 16:4

You want PROOF that the cross is NOT the sign of Christianity?

Open your eyes. An apostate ‘church’ with a lesbian woman as senior pastor will have plenty of crosses, but NO TRUTH, such a den of iniquity has NOTHING to do with Christ or Christianity!

The Roman Catholic Church is Satan’s Masterpiece of Deception. Proof? Catholicism’s father, Satan, leaves Christ on a cross.

Satan sees that as his triumph!

Jesus foretold this was coming. Christians will be persecuted because we bear His name. I wonder if after the muslims take over, there will be a petition to take down crescent moons from public places.

The crucifix is superstitious nonsense, as explained by alongcameaspyder November 20th, 2009 – 7:46 am

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Galatians 3:27 < – - there is NO WATER in that verse!

Putting on Christ has absolutely nothing to do with carrying an idol or crossing yourself!

Wake up and live idolators!

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism < – - THERE IS NO WATER IN THAT VERSE!!

Galatians 3:26 …by faith in Christ Jesus < – - BY THAT FAITH ONE IS BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST BY THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD!

One then is immersed in water as a public display of that faith!

Atheist trying to control.

alongcameaspyder, your comments are worthy of a garbage can. Jesus gave many signs. Every time He performed a miracle, it was a sign. He however refused to give in to the blasphemers who did nothing but try to trick Him. Recall the question about paying taxes. Jesus also warned about throwing pearls to swine. The swine will trample them and you too. The idiots who “demanded” (no one demands from God), a sign are the same ones who would NOT believe after He raised Lazarus from the dead. He reads hearts and minds. The cross IS the sign of the Christian faith wether you like it or not. Unfortunately, many in our world use the cross the same way they wear a Che Guevara t-shirt. They have no idea what it means. By the way, your PROOF that the cross is not the sign of Christianity is as laughable as Obama’s qualifications to be president of the US.
Try to have a nice day

Israel: Obama criticism of Jerusalem construction is racist
Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat on Wednesday called US President Barack Obama’s strong criticism of the building of additional Jewish homes in a Jewish neighborhood of the Israeli capital a position based on racism.
Said Barkat:
“Israeli law does not discriminate between Jews, Muslims, and Christians or between eastern and western Jerusalem. The demand to halt construction by religion is not legal in the United States or in any other free place in the world. I do not presume that any government would demand to freeze construction in the United States based on race, religion or gender and the attempt to demand it from Jerusalem is a double standard and inconceivable.”
The Jerusalem mayor was responding to Obama’s remarks to Fox News earlier in the day, in which the president referred to the approval of 900 new apartments in the southern Jerusalem neighborhood of Gilo as “settlement activity,” and suggested that it justified further Palestinian violence.
Many Israeli lawmakers publicly agreed with Barkat, including opposition leader Tzipi Livni, who told visiting French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner that “Gilo is part of the Israeli consensus, and that understanding is important for every discussion on the final borders of any future agreement.”
Kouchner took a lighter view of the issue than Obama, and told reporters that he didn’t feel the construction of additional Jewish apartments in a neighborhood where so many Jews already live should in any way hinder the peace process.
But the Palestinians took their cue from Obama. Chief Palestinian Authority negotiator Saeb Erekat was quick to confirm that the Palestinians, too, view the Jewish presence in Gilo as settlement activity, and do not feel they can make peace with Israel so long as it continues.
Built in 1971, Gilo was a barren hilltop when it was liberated by Israel from illegal Jordanian occupation in the 1967 Six Day War. Today it is home to more than 30,000 Israelis, and an integral part of Jerusalem.

alongcameaspyder and there is no fear of god before their eyes,
After blessing myself with the sign of the cross (which means I bless myself in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit)I will kneel before a crucifix and pray for your immortal souls. Because as I gaze upon Christ’s tortured body I am reminded of all he suffered for everyone’s sins (mine included) and I will be humbled and my heart will break for that greatest of all sacrifices, his death upon a cross that we may all be forgiven and gain Heaven. Godspeed.

baltotrav – how does the 2nd commandment play into this discussion? to wit: you shall not make for yourself a carved image … any likeness of anything … you shall not bow down [kneel] to them… Exodus 20:4, 5.

Useless humans.Worthless to heaven and worthless to themselves. Can’t keep the nations straight. Can’t keep criminals out of high places. Can’t walk in daylight and speak the truth because of political correctness. Can’t keep western civilization intact. Can’t stay married. Can’t use condoms because abortion is easier. Can’t raise children who care about anything but money or sex. Mankind was a mistake and the world was a waste of time. You surrendered too easily to everything bad every time. People are offended by the symbol of a cross,but they drool when they see the golden arches. What the heck is wrong with everybody? Maybe the pavlov principle is in effect and when people see a cross they feel guilty. Maybe they just want to destroy national identity and anything else that has to do with western civilization. Who cares the world is ending and people are why. Be happy ,I know I am.

jemimah I don’t worship the crucifix, I don’t bow to it . I kneel in humility because I am speaking to God, the crucifix is a visual reminder of Christ’s ultimate sacrifice just as a painting of the Accession symbolizes the event. I guess this gazing upon a cross, crucifix or statue is called veneration, when someone venerates an image they venerate the person portrayed in it. This is respectful veneration, not the adoration due to God alone. I swear to you, Catholics are not pagans and many are good, humble Christians trying to live as holy lives as there imperfect human nature will allow. I am not a theologian, just a practicing Catholic (a convert by the way)and I realize this is not the greatest explanation but it is the best I can do.

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To quote the apostle Paul:
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“May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ”
(Galatians 6:14 NIV)
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“but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.”
(1 Corinthians 1:23-24 NIV)

It is all about islamisation of Europe, for some unknown reason the politicians are helping the muslims.

baltotrav, I certainly agree ‘that many [Catholics] are good, humble Christians trying to live as holy lives as there (sic) imperfect human nature will allow.’ you do not have to be a theolgian to explain gospel truth, just biblically based. My concern is that no one worship the LORD in vain – which Jesus warned us could happen. The Holy Bible plainly states that we are not to make, bow down, nor kneel before carved images. Plus, keeping Jesus on the cross supports the Vatican II erroneous teaching that calls Jesus’ ‘presence’ in the Eucharist the “spiritual victim” and the “Immaculate Victim” which is just the opposite of the Holy Bible’s portrayal of Jesus as our Victor! 1 Cor 15:54-57, 1 John 5:4 , Rev 15:2 and Matthew 12:20. I think we are on safer ground when we are guided by the Holy Bible and not church tradition.

Alongcameaspyder is a complete and utter moron. Nice attempt at trying to use scriptures. It just made you look like a fool getting every concept so very wrong. Nobody is saying that the cross is a SIGN in the same sense that Jesus said not to seek for signs. The sign Jesus was referring to was physical proof. Jesus said that physical proof would not be given because what he wanted people to do was accept his gospel because they personally agreed with it. Do you understand how stupid it would be to prove that God is behind you and then have people accept you because of supernatural power instead of believing in you because your heart accepts the gospel because of the goodness of the gospel? Alongcameaspyder sounds like a lunatic.

So, Jemimah, you are thinking that having a cross in a building means that people are bowing down to an idol? If that is your take then you certainly lose all credibility on anything else you say. It is moronic to think that this is the same as idol worship.

And what gives with alongcameaspyder using a different label then calling himself smart. Are you that big of a moron that you think we cant tell that you and your fan section are the same person? What are you, schizoid?

“Alone came a spider” you should review what St. Paul stated – but we PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,(1 Cor. 1:23)

Personally, there are plenty of Christians that don’t believe in using a cross as a symbol of Christ, however, we also tend to be pretty open about people’s right to display a cross if they so choose. But the idea that those that carry a cross or have it in or on their buildings is the same as idol worship, as is the idea that jemimah and spyder are spreading is just PLAIN STUPID. It shows that these two brainless fellows should really not be involved in this conversation since they are such obvious amateurs and fools.

As long as the worshipper is clear that he is worshipping a living God, which Catholics seem to do, then it is hardly a case of idolatry as idiots might propose.

Deuteronomy 4

28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men’s hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the Lord thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;

The true God is a living person, that sees, hears, eats and smells, meaning that we are created in his image and that he has eyes, ears, a nose and apparently even eats.
Jesus ate honey and fish AFTER he was resurrected. Jesus and God the Father are LIVING beings with Jesus “sitting on the right hand of God.”

For some clarification on signs.

Signs are a physical witness of the divinity of Christ and or God the Father.
Signs are not given in order to prove the existence of God.
If you believe only because you are given a sign, instead of believing
in the rightness of the gospel that is being taught, then you are
living upon a foundation of sand and you will be easily swayed.
Those that demand a sign first, in order to believe, are referred to
as wicked and adulterous people. These people are weak in that
they refuse the goodness of the gospel on its own merits but instead
look for supernatural signs and wonders in order to believe.
Signs are not given in order to prove. God the Father and Christ
prefer that you believe in them because of the goodness that
they offer, not because of some supernatural magic trick.

The cross and Christians has nothing to do with it. The question is whether the almighty state, in the hands of whatever faction has the reins of power at the moment, has the right to eliminate all public symbols of a section of the populace. Could be Christian Catholics, could be gypies, could be Hindus, could be members of the flat-earth society. Why would anyone give the State that much power? The 2nd Amendment had it right, don’t make any laws that affect relgion, the temptation for suppressing religions or creeds that some sectors of the populace don’t like is always there, and a huge source of contention. Secularists are just like radical muslims, busybodies who can’t let the rest of us live in peace.

err, 1st Amendment above, sorry

pashley1411, you are correct that the issue is religious freedom.
Now would be a good time to discuss the phony separation of
church and state issue promoted by the KKK and now the liberals.

The original constitutional law is simple and not as inclusive as the
idiot liberals think. It is simply a restriction on what the FEDERAL
government can and cant do. Simply put we are to have freedom
of religious expression AND that no FEDERAL law shall be passed
in regards to the establishment of religion.

Notice the key prohibition here is not whether somebody in
government has a cross or the ten commandments on public
land but whether or not a FEDERAL LAW is trying to be passed.

Without the law requiring or prohibiting something religious
then the event does not pass the constitutional test.

Now the KKK that hated Catholic immigrants, since most of the
KKK was WHITE PROTESTANT DEMOCRATS, the KKK decided
to have their members adhere to an oath. That oath was
known as the “Separation of church and state oath.”

The KKK required this of their members because they did not
want the Catholic church to pronounce a particular politician
either good or bad in the eyes of their followers.

The KKK could not stand the competition. So one of the KKK
members that took this oath later because US SUPREME COURT JUDGE
and imposed his false idea of this oath upon the entire nation.

That is how we ended up with this moronic idea of separation of
church and state. Yes, Jefferson used the term too, however
he also stated clearly that states had the right to decide religious
issues and that he was saying that the wall kept the FEDERAL
government out of religious issues.

Jefferson also stated his belief that public schools should provide
various churches buildings upon public grounds within which
they would be free to teach and preach their various religious beliefs.
If Jefferson were ok with the use of public property being used to
teach religious concepts then he was not quite the same Jefferson
that the idiot liberals believe him to be.

Also due to political expediency it was LBJ that was badmouthed by one or more religious figures of his day
that had the IRS tax code changed to not allow tax exemptions for a church if that church decided to
exercise their God given and legal right to freedom of speech. LBJ was the US president that first used
the IRS to shut down a certain group of political opposition, namely church leaders.
As they say, the power to tax a thing is the power to destroy a thing. And this is exactly what LBJ
had in mind to do. To shut down political opposition.

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If there is a sign of Christians, it should be the bible, but since the catholics banned the bible in there churches and replaced with their catachism, this does not surprise me.

Catholics preach a dead Jesus, not a resurrected Jesus. alongcameaspyder sounds like a lunatic because he quotes the bible that most people do not read.

But, again people should have the right to put whatever they want in there stores or places of business as a free people with a free will to worship however they want.

Even Italy is becoming a liberal nation. Go ahead, make the same mistake we in the U.S. are doing and start banning such things in public places. Eventually U2 will suffer the wrath and revolt from Jesus/God and we the Catholic-Christian believers!!

Jeremy – Catholics did not ban the bible in their churches, they have not replaced the bible with their catechism and they absolutely do not preach a dead Jesus. Christ rose from the dead after dying on the cross, our sins are not redeemed if Christ had taken on our sins at the crucifixion. If you attend a Catholic Mass you would hear preaching that relates to the readings each week which are taken from the Old Testament, the new Testament, the Psalms and one of the Gospels. If you attend Mass each day (called daily Mass) and each Sunday you will have read the entire Bible (a different Gospel is read each year). As to your last sentence, I agree completely. From one Christian to another.

alongcameaspyder; Please worship allah obama and Satan!! They will bless you with ALL you WANT IN THIS WORLD. Just don’t expect too much after you’re dead. Muslims will welcome you!

Hate to break it to you all…but..When in Rome…..well you know the rest….or should. I skipped Church quite a bit, and still do not follow all the teachings. but again..Do as the Romans do. You are, after all, a visitor.

Jeremy. Can you give me the reference to the statement that you made that Bible’s are forbidden in Catholic Church’s?. I’ve been a practicing Catholic for 70 years and have carried my Bible into church without the church police forbidding me.

God Bless brother, worship as your heart tells you. Trust In Christ and he’ll take you to new levels of his Glory. Forget worldly things because they’re only rust. Listen for that small quite voice that guides us all.

I am a soldier of Jesus and far from being political correct, I speak what I feel and I call them as they come.

Alongcamespider, you are a complete idiot!

I have never considered myself religious. I believe what the Bible tells me, pure and simple. I have a personal relationship with the Lord, just as most Christians do. I talk to him and sometimes He talks back. All you atheists think it is crazy, but it is real. Muslims are Satans people, period! They worship an enity that loves Death and Destruction. It is not a Religion, it is an IDEOLOGY, just like Marxism and Naziism! They want total control! I do believe that the EU Clowns, sitting around, picking their noses, are being paid off by Islam. How else do they live the fine lifesyles, unless they are also stealing from the taxpayers, which they do often. The EU Clowns are as useless as the UN and the European Court, all a bunch of traitors to their people!

Jesus will be coming again and I, for one, can’t wait to see all you atheists out there pay the price!

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