Is Illegal Immigration a Crime? Just ‘Semantics’ Says Activist

Paul Taylor of the Pew Hispanic Center responds to a pretty straight-forward question: "Is illegal immigration a crime?"

September 8, 2010 at 2:47 am - C-Span
Dateline: Washington DC
tatankachief   September 8th, 2010 - 3:02 am

Maybe we should take all of our politicians …. declare everything they do as a crime, but not a crime

and deport they're sorry A_ _ s to Venezuela. I'm sure Kevin Spacey and Sean Penn would be happy to put 'em up for while. Except Kevin would have to move out all his little boyfriends and Sean would have to put his ego on hold for a little while ……………….

well I guess they can't stay at those two places, but I'm sure Chavez would put 'em up somewhere… maybe in one of his ghettos where all his happy people live.

I need another cup of coffee……………..

Hesed   September 8th, 2010 - 3:08 am

Time to create mandatory jail sentences for illegals, and banning them from ever being able to receive a green card.

yourjewishnews   September 8th, 2010 - 3:13 am

soon it will be a crime to be an american in the USA school tells teen to take down American flag not to offend anyone http://www.yourjewishnews.com/294.aspx

TN_Cat   September 8th, 2010 - 3:14 am

Is there a contest on the left, who can out stupid the other liberal? Seems like the comments coming out of the left just keep getting dumber by the day.

_We_the_People_   September 8th, 2010 - 3:15 am

Help me out here. At what point in our history did we just decide to pick and choose the laws we enforce? And who gave that authority to the people doing the picking and choosing? Without law enforcement you have anarchy and laws become nothing but suggestions on how to behave. It’s time for a change but this time for the better!

DrEdu   September 8th, 2010 - 3:21 am

ALL OUR LAWS ARE EQUAL

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dallenh   September 8th, 2010 - 3:27 am

Thumbs up on the "need another cup of coffee…" Sometimes I watch this stuff first thing in the morning and I think that I must still be dreaming, because they can't really be saying stuff this stupid!

If it's not illegal to cross the borders of our country without following due process, what is illegal? Can I jump a fence onto a US Military Base? Is that just semantics too?

Idiots…

Sickofobama   September 8th, 2010 - 3:39 am

Amnesty? We don't want no stinkin' amnesty for illegals!

But Obama and Holder and Napolitano do.

Which is why they are being released by the thousands unless they commit serious crimes. It's called backdoor amnesty.

Knowing the freaks in the Obama Regime a serious crime could equal murdering a cop and they would let them go.

Just wait and see.

water_buffalo   September 8th, 2010 - 3:48 am

democrats only believe in prosecuting people of their choosing …. watch out if you speak out against obama …. they will make up new rules as the game proceeds …. they want to lock up nay sayers

Irondog   September 8th, 2010 - 3:51 am

When libmarxists don't want to obey the law it's semantics. How convenient.

rovers   September 8th, 2010 - 4:12 am

Semantics my Axxx. Get caught in Mexico, if you ever get out of their prison you can argue semantics. No country in the world is as stupid over their security as we. Somehow most Americans cannot understand exactly and to the extent they are hated throughout the world. Not because we've done something wrong. Its what we havent' done. We havent given them enough hand outs. Jealousy is evil.

flytiegoode   September 8th, 2010 - 4:14 am

You know, I don't necessarily agree with the current homicide statutes and find that most of them in different states differ very little, it also is just symantics. But, like a good citizen I don't go around breaking that law.

claspur   September 8th, 2010 - 4:16 am

Is illegal immigration illegal in Mexico?
Go ask a South American trying to 'get in' down there. *next

claspur   September 8th, 2010 - 4:24 am

I call it 'selective law enforcment.'

Libtards are the party of 'Do as I say, not as I do.'
Months ago someone posted this quote in here that was so good I wrote it down, and show it to my liberal friends… just to see the expression on their faces. ;o)

Liberal: One who will use whatever means necessary to deny others what He craves.

Suvrec   September 8th, 2010 - 4:26 am

Wrong the UK is as stupid but with mooslums rather than wetbacks ………. over the last 20 years, I saw it with my own eyes ….. now in UK there are entire enclaves where a non mooslum CANNOT buy property and hear me right its not don't want too its CANNOT because it's mooslums only. there are billboards that are prohibited within certain distance of mosks, there is case after case of honor killing, there is female genital mutilation and no-one says anything as its RACIST or disrespectful of mooslums. Stores that sell meat cannot openly show bacon or pork displays.

Suvrec   September 8th, 2010 - 4:29 am

So according to that idiot all Juan Carlos from Mexico City needs to do at an airport is pass through security, He should not have to produce ID just prove that He is not a danger to the flight or other passengers and when he lands on US soil he gets off plane no immigration and he is free to do and go where he wants??????

joymc   September 8th, 2010 - 4:34 am

Try that crap in Los Estados Unidos De Mexico dude. See how far you get.

triper57   September 8th, 2010 - 4:34 am

Semantics:
Merriam-Webster : 1. the study of meanings: a : the historical and psychological study and the classification of changes in the signification of words or forms viewed as factors in linguistic development b (1) : semiotic (2) : a branch of semiotic dealing with the relations between signs and what they refer to and including theories of denotation, extension, naming, and truth
2: general semantics
3a : the meaning or relationship of meanings of a sign or set of signs; especially : connotative meaning b : the language used (as in advertising or political propaganda) to achieve a desired effect on an audience especially through the use of words with novel or dual meanings

Illegal:

Wikipedia: Illegal, or unlawful, is used to describe something that is prohibited or not authorized by law or, more generally, by rules specific to a particular situation

Dictionary dot com: 1.forbidden by law or statute.
2.contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.: The referee ruled that it was an illegal forward pass.

Merriam Webster Online: not according to or authorized by law : unlawful, illicit; also : not sanctioned by official rules

If semantics is the study of meanings, then how can Illegal be discussed as even possibly meaning lawful, when the none of the dictionaries defines the word as meaning lawful?

skipper99   September 8th, 2010 - 4:39 am

This is great, IlIegal" is just semantics? OK with that, so lets call it like it is, and declare all the freebies these :| "illegals" get as just semantics and stop them in their tracks. Remember, what goes round comes round.

yourjewishnews   September 8th, 2010 - 4:42 am

what what what???? Connecticut city council to start sessions with muslim prayer. http://www.yourjewishnews.com/300.aspx

Tango2niner   September 8th, 2010 - 4:49 am

They do seem to be taking stupid to a new level.

This sounds like a new talking point…I wonder where the cabal from journolist are meeting now?

gwar5   September 8th, 2010 - 4:57 am

Of course it's a crime. It's racist and theft to insist regular legal Americans should pay for the livelihoods of illegal aliens. If Americans enter Mexico illegally, we go to jail. It's racist to treat Mexicans as if they're too stupid to follow the rules. They're not.
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cdu4   September 8th, 2010 - 5:01 am

Illegal immigration is a crime in Mexico!!!

PaBowHunter   September 8th, 2010 - 5:02 am

It's a crime. All illegalls should be arrested then deported. The reason they aren't is our elected officials. Therefore we need to remove them in Novermber and replace them with individuals who will enforce our laws.

tiredofit2010   September 8th, 2010 - 5:17 am

I need a chill pill….make the first offense a felony!!! It's well past time for AZ/TX/CA to form and put their militias on the border and repel the invasion!!!

tiredofit2010   September 8th, 2010 - 5:19 am

and bill their home countries for their care and feeding…if they refuse…no more foreign aid!!! In fact with our country in such dire straits why are we still handing out $$$ to anybody??

tiredofit2010   September 8th, 2010 - 5:21 am

No the employers and their HR staff should be arrested and jailed for a 5-year minimum sentence…the illegals will self-deport when there are no jobs available to them…

sorebird   September 8th, 2010 - 5:21 am

Legal-illegals?? So are legal-illegals really citizens already?? Can a legal-illegal commit a crime??

TheRightWing   September 8th, 2010 - 5:31 am

there's no figuring this one out because it doesn't make any sense, it's just (heh) semantics. Last I looked, illegal immigration IS a crime. The water is being muddied about how we recognize them. Activists will go right on screaming about "all rights for anyone!" because it's real easy … right up until they or someone they know get directly impacted by crimes and bullets.

DB523   September 8th, 2010 - 5:35 am

Tango, I think that meeting place picture is the second down on BigJ "The Decline & Fall of Time Magazine…." http://bigjournalism.com/robmiller/2010/09/07/the...

water_buffalo   September 8th, 2010 - 5:38 am

gold

Tyler520   September 8th, 2010 - 5:40 am

I wasn't aware that laws clearly spelled in the US Code as criminal behavior since 1929 was just semantics. If I were to punch the guy in the face, do you think he would agree that he simply misunderstood the semantics of my chosen method of communication?

DB523   September 8th, 2010 - 5:41 am

I love the comments that clarify what "I think I know" but can't seem to "put my finger on." Reading the comments on these sites is like going back to school, only it makes sense!

DB523   September 8th, 2010 - 5:44 am

Yeah, I saw that this morning. Sigh. I've decided I will never again go to Hartford for any reason. And if I find out that my Insurance Co. is based there I will change insurance. This is such an insult. I'm offended.

JohnGaltRules   September 8th, 2010 - 5:47 am

he actually didnt break out laughing after he said that….credit where credit is due

DB523   September 8th, 2010 - 5:48 am

Ditto

Deusexmachina   September 8th, 2010 - 5:57 am

Semantics now…..is it now illegal to call an illegal……illegal?

Tango2niner   September 8th, 2010 - 5:58 am

Ty :) I suspected as much..Journolistas remain knee deep in manure.

barkingbird   September 8th, 2010 - 5:59 am

I SAY SHOOT TO KILL ON SIGHT !!!!!!!!! This is MY country, NOT YOURS GET THE HELL OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tango2niner   September 8th, 2010 - 6:04 am

I hope that after November we can get a handle on this, by enforcing our laws and Finialy finishing the fence and giving a clear direction and support to the Border Patrol…and coming down Hard on Sanctuary cities.

I honestly dont know tho…It is what the majority of American want, and its the right thing to do. But Will the next batch in washington work for the American people…or continue follow the line of business interests and lobbiest. We need to keep their feet to the fire.

LizardLips   September 8th, 2010 - 6:06 am

When glib, pseudo-intellectuals can parse the definition of a crime to a 'not' criminal act we might as well start with the rest of the criminal code. Theft is 'redistributive allotment', assault and battery can be 'physical language' and murder will be 'retro-active birth control. Isn't newspeak fun?

MrsThurstonHowell   September 8th, 2010 - 6:08 am

Semantics??!!! Isn't that what that fat, drunken lardass, Teddy Kennedy, said during his nephew's rape trial when he was questioned about something he said the night of the rape? He blew off the prosecutor during questioning with that quote. Hope he is enjoying hell.

Tango2niner   September 8th, 2010 - 6:09 am

True…hopefully they can pull their butts out of the fire…its not too late. However the 'Progressive Guilt' mindset is much more deeply rooted there. Much of Europe is waking up to the threat…perhaps the UK will get it together.

Will_Antonin   September 8th, 2010 - 6:18 am

The Left sees most everything as mere language games.

Instead of "illegal aliens", we get "undocumented workers". This gives the illusion that everyone who comes here is really simply a hard-working person. (I think I might become an "undocumented" surgeon. Think anyone will mind?)

But it doesn't just stop with immigration.

For them, 9/11 has become a mere rhetorical event, an talking point Bush used to lie us into war.

"Pro-choice" masks the very real underlying question of when life begins.

"Marriage" is simply about government recognition of emotional bonds between adults having a sexual relationship.

Give-aways to special interests are, in fact, "tax cuts".

And, one of my favorites, spending billions of dollars "saves or creates" jobs that no metric can actually measure.

martifr   September 8th, 2010 - 6:19 am

Illegal <==> NOT legal. Cut off ALL taxpayer funded brnefits from anyone who is not legal. Cut off the reason for coming. Enforce the existing immigration laws. Imprison and execute illegals guilty of murder. Close the border to these illegal vermin.

iconoclastKM   September 8th, 2010 - 6:23 am

'…the illegals will self-deport when there are no jobs available to them.'

You are 100% correct!
Any effort to address the ILLEGAL ALIEN CRISIS taking place in this country without an EMPLOYER ACCOUNTABILITY component is simply BOGUS and NOT a sincere effort to solve the problem… PERIOD!

freedom rocks   September 8th, 2010 - 6:26 am

Has anyone ever met a criminal that admitted they committed a crime?

bobmc2   September 8th, 2010 - 6:28 am

They can and do commit crimes, only never face prosecution. Illegals also vote for Democrats along withthe dead!

childofcorn   September 8th, 2010 - 6:35 am

So if I jump my neighbor's fence and he shoots me, he should go to jail, and I can sue him? WHAT THE F***!

THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO HELL!

tomtom200   September 8th, 2010 - 6:42 am

Screw you.You should be jailed.

45coltauto   September 8th, 2010 - 6:42 am

The saying arrived by email and it said, "Take Out the Trash on November 2".

What it should say is, "Take out the Garbage on November 2".

The Rule of Law will be followed by the Congress and the government or they will be removed.

"The People must use the ballot box to control government corruption and power, so they do not have to use other means, which they also have a right to do."

PCS 8/22/10

kay   September 8th, 2010 - 6:45 am

It is a fact…that when people gather in mass for one cause they gather strength to rule.

Take illegals as example. When too Many people break the law….control withers and dies. When those illegals band together into a force…they gain power. When those illegals become powerful enough…..they will vote themselves into government. Those illegals will then make laws to forbid them from being removed. Then they will effectively infiltrate the government….and make laws…and decide how YOU will be THEIR subject, whatever that may be, according to the NEW LAWS they themselves have chosen.

Same with Muslims…..give them a foot hold in this country and as they gain strength they will overpower our laws, lifestyle, and beliefs. They will discard our Constitution and install Muslim laws.

Our forefathers were much wiser than the dolts making laws now. They would not allow any religion that persecutes another human or another religion. Muslims were not welcome in the 1700’s because they were preaching and teaching hate and intolerance then, just as they do now. No matter what Muslims say ..and how peaceful they say they are….their history speaks louder than words. THEY HAVE NEVER IN HISTORY BEEN A PEACEFUL RELIGION. They have spent thousands of years killing for the sake of their primitive beliefs and archaic religion.

Communists are the same…..when they become powerful enough (as Gov’t, Unions, ie.) they will make the laws….and infiltrate every phase of your life.

Please prove me wrong on this????? Because this whole Muslim/ illegal/ Gov’t “tear it down and destroy it”, fiasco, is not going to end well.

jwryder   September 8th, 2010 - 6:59 am

Socialist Progressives cannot change our country until they bring in enough foreign people to muddy our culture and traditions. They not only want the voter base but they want our values to change. This cannot be done overnight but withing 20 years you will see this change rapidly. Once that anchor baby is old enough to sponsor his or her entire family then the Anti American base grows much more rapidly. If you bring enough people with ignorance of the Constitution, raise or indoctrinate enough progressive socialist children and teach them a false Constitution and that we are a Democracy instead of Republic, then you can then alter it all that you want. We are in serious trouble here folks. The Socialist Progressives will call you a racist if you disagree or speak out, you see in the Libs Constitution anything other than the Progressive view is hate speech or bigotry,

TexasStomp   September 8th, 2010 - 7:03 am

They pulled the article on the link.

TexasStomp   September 8th, 2010 - 7:06 am

oxymoron alert

No such thing as ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT!

The proper term is ILLEGAL "ALIEN."

mijowi   September 8th, 2010 - 7:19 am

This is people changing the conversation to suite their own goals. Remember when they used to be called illegal aliens? Over a short period of time with the help of the media it was changed to illegal immigrants and then to undocumented workers. All they are tying to do is shift the conversation ever so slightly so that eventually they will become classified as something the American people are willing to accept.

They have a long term plan in place that involves our country being dissolved as wee know it.

Tuco   September 8th, 2010 - 7:22 am

WB stated: "watch out if you speak out against obama".

Here is where he/DOJ defines "constitutionalists" as terrorists, along with Al Queda and the Aryan Nation. So if you believe in the constitution, you are a terrorist. Shocking.
http://militantlibertarian.org/2010/08/30/obama%E...

vwhizbang   September 8th, 2010 - 7:24 am

That depends on what the meaning of is is.

Case3ops   September 8th, 2010 - 7:29 am

Semantics?

He and others need to familiarize themselves with 1907 Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) Offenses.
http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_ro...

So it's safe to assume that Congress , the Senate, the Judiciary and the President now see US Law as mere semantics.

MrRight   September 8th, 2010 - 7:37 am

If illegal immigration is NOT a crime then WHY is the word ILLEGAL in there? This is Bill Clinton semantics mumbo jumbo. Of course it is a crime and should be dealt with as such.

MAC59   September 8th, 2010 - 7:42 am

So "felony assault" is just semantics?

rockstone   September 8th, 2010 - 7:47 am

I guess if you were gang raped in an alley it would all be just semantics? Not a crime.

SMFIII   September 8th, 2010 - 7:49 am

They told me that if I voted for Jon Macain that the Justice Department would selectively enforce Federal law.

And they were right!
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/09/027...

"Selective Enforcement at Obama's Justice Department "

Corruption at the highest levels of the Justice department.

duh_swami   September 8th, 2010 - 8:02 am

You can get a lot of discussion on that at jihadwatch.org

duh_swami   September 8th, 2010 - 8:05 am

If it's not illegal, why do they call it illegal? If oral sex is not sex, why do they call it oral sex? If liberals are not insane, why do they say insane stuff?

jdog   September 8th, 2010 - 8:09 am

It is not a question whether or not it is a crime…. it is a question of if you are going to prosecute or not. It is a crime on the books.

triper57   September 8th, 2010 - 8:10 am

I agree that they are trying to change the conversation but I was trying to point out their illogical argument. The term undocumented worker implies that there is nothing wrong with crossing our borders, they just need to register to be able to work here. The last I checked our laws are not conducive for a alien to obtain a green card. Requiring months if not years to obtain.

IMO the reason that we have not seen wage inflation in this country can be directly related to the availability of cheep labor provided by the illegal aliens that have poured across our southern border. These workers have taken jobs considered entry level positions from our younger citizens. These jobs have now become jobs that Americans won't do, not because they are dead end jobs (no possibility of advancement), but because they now no longer pay living wage for an American.

mijowi   September 8th, 2010 - 8:19 am

I agree with you 100%. These people that have crossed the border illegally have help keep the wages in our country artificially low.

Commieobamie   September 8th, 2010 - 8:34 am

ILLEGAL = crime, Just ‘Semantics’
islam = muderous pedephiles, Just ‘Semantics’
democrats = communists, Just ‘Semantics’
obaMAO = communist islamo facist fairy moon devil moslem worshipping USURPER, Just ‘Semantics’

Learned that in English class!

Lightrider   September 8th, 2010 - 8:36 am

Paul Taylor…honorary wetback.

Thale_Taxurfeet   September 8th, 2010 - 8:38 am

"At what point in our history did we just decide to pick and choose the laws we enforce?"

I wish I could help you out with this one…

"Without law enforcement you have anarchy and laws become nothing but suggestions on how to behave."

Yup. Without taking the politico's by the scruff of the neck and demanding equal application of our laws, including the existing immigration laws, anarchy is our destination.

I've mentioned this before, but I'll say it again. If by this selective and preferential application of The Law the flown-over crowd, aka every hard working, average citizen who is not of the theoretical globalists, metrocoastal variety, ever decides to give up and give into the urge to go lawless, there will be blood.

Those malfeasant excuses of elected leadership apparently think they will be above the fray, but I seriously doubt that they will be able to avoid the chaos for any extended period of time. Especially when so many now know who led the nation to this point.

"It’s time for a change but this time for the better! "

Indeed it is. Let's pray that we change it for the better this time and undo the most recent elective changes put upon us by the less than thoughtful voters.

Study the candidate's records. Know your choices. Then be there for the first take out the trash day, scheduled for 55 days from today and vote your conscience. For the Children™.

kougs   September 8th, 2010 - 8:44 am

This what the left does. They support and champion social laws that cement their power base and ignore all others. Then if by ignoring certain laws drops their poll numbers or erodes their power base, they simply find some judge that has the same view and 1) over rule the law based on some convoluted mish mash, and throw out the action; or 2) get an injuction, stop the whole process until the injured party runs out of money to fight, or just wait the oppostion out until the press finds something else to focus on. The left (Dems) is worse than the party of No as they are the party of Nothing.

DukeN   September 8th, 2010 - 8:49 am

Let Paul Taylor try to sneak into Mexico and get caught. He'll discover how much of a crime it is.

Just because the Obama administration is ignoring the Constitution and not enforcing the laws does not make the violation of those laws legal. It makes Obama's actions illegal.

SFYMP   September 8th, 2010 - 8:50 am

Yeah imagine what is happening in the back rooms that has not come to light yet. Without patriots exposing the skullduggery and deceit where would we be? Thank you everyone that are real americans.

smellyfinger   September 8th, 2010 - 8:53 am

Blame the Democrats
and Obama the turd

BFPA61   September 8th, 2010 - 8:58 am

I would like to declare today as Paul Taylor is a Dip Shit Day. Who is with me?

Thale_Taxurfeet   September 8th, 2010 - 9:00 am

It's not only entry level jobs but jobs all through the trades.

I can't tell you how many times I've attempted to hire someone to do craftsmen level work in a building or construction trade only to have the contractor try to roll in a truckload of OJT, non-skilled labor to do the job. A job that will inevitably need constant supervision and several re-do's and still will not be done to the standards of the displaced U.S. craftsmen. Sometimes you do not get what you pay for.

If you think it's only entry level jobs, ask the people who used to earn their living in the trades/construction fields.

I could also cite examples of off-shored software engineering projects where the winning bidder called the company that bid out the project, in mid-project, asking for, no make that demanding that some of the remaining software engineers from the company that bid out the project be assigned to the project to insure the successful completion of the project. I doubt I'm the only person who has personal knowledge of similar cases of such insanity in action.

If you think it's only entry level jobs, ask the people who used to earn their living in the Information Technology fields.

One last little thought. It's all about globalization. For what purpose? Why that would be for the good of the Politburo, the top 1% of the ruling elite. Once the economy is globalized there will be no middle class. The economy will be leveled to provide for the opulent lifestyles of the politburo, the needs of their staff, and the subsistence of the plebs, the workers.

Thale_Taxurfeet   September 8th, 2010 - 9:04 am

You're both right.

Make that all three of you are correct.

flyright66   September 8th, 2010 - 9:16 am

No because 2 negatives create a positive, so in "liberal la la land", only crimes which they deem criminal are really illegal…..So an illegal-legal is only illegal if legally we prove that he has committed crimes of an illegal nature……see? no?

Thale_Taxurfeet   September 8th, 2010 - 9:29 am

I'll throw down with you if you toss in the political, judicial, and business enablers.

kmichaels   September 8th, 2010 - 9:34 am

Crossing the border illegally is forbidden by law and statute
and is therefore a crime, as is defined by common English
usage of the key words involved.

That is why it is referred to not as immigration but
illegal immigration.

kmichaels   September 8th, 2010 - 9:35 am

Nice post.

BobSalem   September 8th, 2010 - 9:39 am

JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL

You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal".
Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California.

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".
Ready? Now pay attention…

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.
Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.
Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.
Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.

Holdmynose   September 8th, 2010 - 10:07 am

It is truly embarrassing how stupid these nuts make Americans look.

antilibtards   September 8th, 2010 - 10:16 am

Entering illegally is a crime.

sorebird   September 8th, 2010 - 10:20 am

But how do we know they are illegal-legals if we can't ask or does not asking make them legal-illegals– chicken or the egg, i guess you are correct either way they are legally illegal?

nedarc   September 8th, 2010 - 10:23 am

Mr. Taylor says " this is a fuzzy area ", refering to Illegal immigration being a crime……..WHAT ? Try pulling that stunt in Mexico or any other Country in the world. Only ' LIBERAL AMERICA ' can be this STUPID.

tiredofit2010   September 8th, 2010 - 10:27 am

and their police (not border patrol or ICE agents) actively look for illegals and arrest them…

triper57   September 8th, 2010 - 10:35 am

Thank you, I felt it was all levels, but had no personal knowledge and did not feel comfortable posting past the entry level positions. Again thank you for your input, that is the beauty of these forums, we can learn from each other.

Nodhimmi   September 8th, 2010 - 10:42 am

Funny how it's just semantics here in the USA, yet it's a prison crime in Mexico.

flyright66   September 8th, 2010 - 10:47 am

Yes, if asked their legal status, they are classified undocumented-legal-victim-Democrats….If not asked, then they are legal-illegals with more rights than American citizens and are owed all social services and lawsuit proceeds…If they are in Az, they will be legal-illegal poll watchers with direct access to Eric Holders personal cell phone and free batons provided by the new black panther armory….. are we clear?

sorebird   September 8th, 2010 - 11:01 am

No taxes either??….I think I have it now, how do I become one??

tatankachief   September 8th, 2010 - 11:13 am

I agree with everything you're saying dallenh, but since we are talking about semantics, I must correct you on one small issue.

It's not idiots.

It's IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you, I'm sure you will agree that is the proper use of the word in question. ;o)

fantum   September 8th, 2010 - 11:25 am

Under Obama's direction, the federal government has joined the ACLU in targeting the state of Arizona and its law enforcement personnel. Obama is more interested in supporting Mexican criminals, shielding Black Panther thugs, and aiding Palestinian terrorists than protecting the Americans HE TOOK AN OATH TO SERVE!

WHAT BETTER WAY TO BRING AMERICA DOWN THAN TO ALLOW THE BORDER INVASION TO CONTINUE POURING DRUGS, CRIMINALS, MEXICAN GANGS AND MILLIONS OF FREELOADERS INTO AMERICAN SOCIETY?

Our Own Government Has Become Our Enemy… http://usataxpayer.org/htm/vids.asp?A=3853859

We have all seen Obama bowing to Islam, abandoning our allies and supporting their enemies, ignoring our security, degrading our military, increasing racial tensions and subjecting American taxpayers to huge, unsustainable debit.

Obama Giving $7.5 Billion to Pakistan!
Obama Giving $400 Million to Palestinians!
Obama Giving Taxpayer $$$$ to Afghan Banks!
Obama Giving $23 Million to Kenya for ABORTIONS!
Obama Giving Stimulus Grants to the Muslim Brotherhood!
It's all here and more… http://usataxpayer.org/?0055577011

fantum   September 8th, 2010 - 11:26 am

I'll bet you didn't see this on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, or LA Times. Of course not! These photos came from a Spanish language news source… Check them out and then tell me…

DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY JUST WANT TO MOW LAWNS AND PICK LETTUCE?

Arizona Border Seizure… http://usataxpayer.org/htm/vids.asp?A=57942696

It is becoming clear that Obama is a Muslim dedicated to rebuilding America under SociaIism and with deference to Muslim Law. In order to do this he must cause the collapse of our current government, family-values and freedoms.

WHAT BETTER WAY TO BRING AMERICA DOWN THAN TO ALLOW THE BORDER INVASION TO CONTINUE POURING DRUGS, CRIMINALS, MEXICAN GANGS AND MILLIONS OF FREELOADERS INTO AMERICAN SOCIETY?

Don't forget to pay your taxes, you've got a lot of new neighbors to support.

Meet Your New Neighbors… http://usataxpayer.org/htm/vids.asp?A=276166

tiredofit2010   September 8th, 2010 - 12:21 pm

and everybody is welcome to join dump the dims day on November 2nd…

flyright66   September 8th, 2010 - 1:49 pm

oh, no you don't! You must continue to work 40-60 hours a week, paying SS taxes, and approximately 50% of your income to the government so we can maintain the delicate balance here…..Get back to work!

PaBowHunter   September 8th, 2010 - 7:44 pm

I believe that under current USA law if you break into my house I have the right under the US Constitution to defend myself by exercising my 2nd Amendment right.
So what is the difference when our country is invaded via our southern border? I have the right to protect my house but not my country? I think not. What do you think?

Diptera   September 8th, 2010 - 8:47 pm

And not to be outdone – dittos for the diptera.

The Repubs in Texas favor the illegals for the labor
The Dems in the Northeast and West coast favor them for the votes

A plague on both their houses. May a thousand lice infest their short curlies.

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