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Yes sir, No sir, three bags full sir!
Relativity – a theory
Quantum mechanics – a theory
Big bang – a theory
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Global warming – the science is settled
Capitalism vs. socialism – the debate is over
Guess what – ALL of you who justify policy with greed are to blame for the popularity of socialism.
“Free trade” is a guise to take away our sovereignty – and guess what – the Ivory Tower pushers of this try to sell it to you with greed. You are so overcome that even common sense is lost – yeah we will all get rich by outsourcing all our jobs. Good plan. The reality is that trading with people on dirt floors just lowers your standard of living.
Another planned destruction of your lives from the round table groups.
When someone declares the debate to be over about something, it usually means they are unable — or unwilling — to face certain facts about the topic. When that person attempts to impose their way on those who wish to continue the debate, that person is a tyrant.
On a permanent campaign? Yeah we already figured that out. That is why “the new JFK of our generation” is losing point after point in the polls.
You Democrats keep digging that hole deeper. You are going down!!!!
Headlight Teeth…. I go along with Testy Man… He’s back-on The Goofballs.
And you Democrats said we were crazy when we told you Obama and his ilk are Socialists. The entire (current) Democrat Party is Socialist!
If Howard Dean were any more stupid, he’d have to change his name to Biden.
Change…it’s all you’ll have left.
More PROgress
Less CONgress
Interesting that Dr Dean has benefited greatly from capitalism but now that he has his needs met, socialism is the direction we should take. From the poignant satire Animal Farm, “All animals are equal, some are more equal than others”, eh?
Communitarianism? Communitarianism? Communism on the micro scale? HAHAHAHA. What a buffoon!
As soon as these Washington Fat Cats start partaking in the same Socialist programs that they implement (Health Care, Social Security, etc.) maybe we will start to consider them a credible source. Until then…they’re nothing but a pimple on our arse.
We’ve already HAD both all along. It is the Socialists who have wrecked the economy over and over again. Now, I guess, he wants to finish the job. Does not bode well.
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I’m a part of Dean’s so-called multi-cultural Obama generation. If Obama has done anything for this liberal, he’s opened my eyes to what I DO NOT want from my government. We’re Americans, we do things differently (and, as it turns out, better). So, for Howard Dean, I say: I reject any degree of socialism or communitarianism.
We need to cap these people. Tyranny MUST be met with violence.
Period.
The debate between Socialism and Capitalism is only over because Capitalism was bound, gagged, and locked up in a deep, dark dungeon around about the time the Fed was established and income taxes started being levied. Capitalism didn’t lose. Capitalism was never even allowed to show up for the debate—because if it had been, it would have won hands down. The best way for the Socialists to assure victory has always been to cheat.
Yeh it is over- WE WON THE COLD WAR! At least I thought so until this lot was voted in to power…Dean would to think that his crowd of peacenik socialists have won some sort of victory, but all they have done is finally show their true colors and peeed off the American people, who I think are going to round on them in 2010.
Maybe then we can take our country back from these morons who look back on the FDR and Carter Administrations as the Good Old Days!
Well, finally someone is not scared to tell the truth. Obama is a innovative Socialist. Not a regular socialist, an innovative one that can end the debate between Capitalism and Socialism. Wow this is a grand understanding. BS. Socialism is Socialism and that is the taking away of our freedom. He was not like this when people voted for him and they won’t be when the next election comes up. I don’t see how he could be re-elected with his number dropping as fast as they are. He is at almost half the polls than Bush was at this time. He is one of the most corrupt and/or allowing the most corruption in his presidency. Almost half of congress is also corrupt, this is Chicago Politics and it doesn’t work.
I am watching http://www.americanparchment.com who is doing the “31 Corrupt Politicians in 31 Day” Program. I guess it’s a preview of a larger program they will be doing before the 2010 election. Today they are starting with our friend Rep. Barney Frank. Wow is this man dirty, and yet he always blames others and gets away with it.
Holy smokes, this guy is or was an MD. People actually let him treat them. No wonder Obama won.
What is it with the democrats …are there any sane people in this party anymore…have they all become socialist, Marxist communist …what is so attractive with these philosophies….do they hate the constitution are they all control freaks….how did they all get brainwashed….dean, gore, pelosi Reid…Dodd…obey..and I can go on ….they are all kooks …wake up America….geez
I feel the need to correct myself: *former*-liberal. Now independent (libertarian-leaning).
Dean is a fool as well as an idiot. One good thing – it is high time a Liberal honestly admits that he/she believes in the merit of socialism. For so many years those of us on the right (and in the right) have been saying modern Liberals are socialists and have been laughed at and criticized as fear mongers and character defamers. Well, now we see the truth from one of their own. Everywhere socialism has been implemented it means less freedom and less prosperity.
totally disgusting.. WAKE UP AMERICA
Regarding “you who justify policy with greed are to blame for the popularity of socialism” – It’s not greed, it is Self Interest. Socialism is nothing new and it has NEVER WORKED because of Self Interest. In America, the ‘have nots’ still have more than any other ‘have nots’ in the world. Just because someone has ‘more’ than you have doesn’t mean you’re entitled to a share.
When someone declares the debate to be over about something, it usually means they are unable — or unwilling — to face certain facts about the topic. When that person attempts to impose their way on those who wish to continue the debate, that person is a tyrant.
Cajuncocoa — truer words are rarely spoken. You hit it spot on.
Communitarianism? Really? WTF
People still take this moron seriously. Anything he says should be ignored.
Wow he’s really packing them in at that coffee house. And they look so thrilled to be listening to his expertise!
Go back to the Green Mountains, sir. You matter not.
I forgot to add some more prominent kooks….Biden…leahy…boxer and the screamer from Florida who’s name escapes me
You’re right, Howard. The debate IS over. You are officially an idiot. No more conjecture. There’s now a consensus.
However, Mr. Tinfoil Hat, if you and your fellow travelers keep trying to thrust your moronic and destructive ideas upon us, the rest of the village is going to pick up torches and pitchforks and cast out its idiots…
I don’t like ‘multiculturalism,’ socialism, or Howard Dean. I wish a plague would removed all of these people from our midst so that we could live our lives without having to deal with their insanity.
Dear Mr. Dean
the debate between Capitalism and socialism will be over when the 90 million legal gun owners in this country say it is and not before.
Our nation fought and thousands upon thousands of people died fighting for freedom. Socialism is just one step away from communism, why after all the hard work we did to put down communism across the globe would we begin to embrace many of those same ideas?
The reality is simple. The left wing is willing to sell out the country simply for votes because they know the more people dependant on government either through handouts or through jobs will vote for the party who is pushing that agenda. It’s a pathetic and nothing short of treason.
These people should be ashamed but instead they act proud all the while they know exactly what they are doing. This is why the left wing are dispicable, horrible people.
History has shown socialism is a complete failure and hopefully in 2010 and 2012 we can get rid of this child president and get back to the fundamentals that made our nation great.
Actually, while I have no use for Howard Dean, he is correct. Socialism is basically government controlling the means of the distribution of money. Therefore, Social Security and Medicare are Socialist, and we have had a mixed economy for decades. Communism is a Command economy, where the government determines what people want and need. It obviously has never worked because bureaucrats cannot determine what people want or need. Total Capitalism is the Demand economy where the free market determines, but in the Industrial Revolution the tycoons and robber barons ruled, and again the poor suffered. In between are the various mixtures of the two, which works, because the helpless, needy, insane, etc., need to be taken care of, and can be by a wise government. Unfortunately, a wise government is something we will never have.
So for 11 months the media, and Democrats, have blasted Conservatives, Tea Baggers, Republicans, Libertarians, and anyone else that have suggested that Obama’s policies are Socialist. For 11 months we were all called Racist, Biggots, Conspiracy Nuts, and God knows what else for even hinting that the Democrats wanted to move this country towards Socialism.
The debate IS over.
For 11 months we have been right. If the Democrat Party gets its way, we will be more like Europe and less like the America that has made the world a better place. With Socialism and Communitarianism for all.
Vote against ALL Incumbents in 2010, please. We don’t need a third party, we need to retake control of the two we’ve got and save this nation from the extreme right AND left.
Why is race so freaking important to Liberals?
Personally I am tired of hearing the Liberals and the Press going on about Race. If you can do the job who gives a hoot about skin tone. Its because of idiots like Dean I will never ever ever ever vote Democrat again………
Communitarianism? WTF????
Yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaooooooooowwwwwwwwww!!!!!
Don’t worry — we liberals are only going to put a “little” fecal matter into your milkshake.
Howard Dean actually has it right… to a point. Yes, Capitalism is a part of human nature. This thing he calls ‘communitarianism’ – the desire to be part of a community is also a part of human nature. Where he has his cranio-rectal inversion moment is the idea that socialism is equivalent to a desire to help and support the community. That’s the part that, umm, makes great fertilizer.
People donate their time, money, and in the case of our soldiers, even their lives for the greater good all the time. This does not validate socialism. They do this because it is *their choice* to do so. Socialism is about stripping away choice and the wielding of power, not for the greater good, but for the benefit of an elite few.
As long as there are people who understand liberty and believe in freedom, the debate will remain far from over.
Rexter, Adam Smith, read it, know it, because you MUST live it. Socialism is a political fantasy: it isn’t a law of nature. The Invisible Hand is as much a natural force as is gravity.
Howard Dean came from money. He has no concept of what it means to actually work for a living. He wants to keep his money and be on top, all the while keeping the rest of us down. He’s far too stupid to know that destroying American capitalism will affect him, too.
Of course, liberals are always too stupid to understand the consequences of their actions.
Kellyn, I guess we are on the same page (I seriously did not see your post before I posted)
mmmmmm, mmmmmm, mmmmmm
Debate? I must have been asleep when they had that debate on global warming. When it comes to my freedom, there will be no debate. There will be a fight.
Is this country turning into another Venezuela? we need to unelect these socialist which have infultrated our Government …people if there ever was aneed to clean house now is the time …register and vote….or our kids will be living under a dictatorship with no money
I couldn’t help but notice that where he was speaking was called the Reds. There is no doubt that the Democratic party is a socialist party and that a socialist America is the goal of their agenda. They want America to look like France or Germany or Great Britain. It is the greatest irony that China and India may, in the end, be the saviors of capitalism and the next great ecomonic/political world empire while America will be a backwaters socialist state with a mediocre economy.
THIS GUY IS AN IDIOT, NO WONDER THE DEMOCRAT PARTY – OBAMA SENT HIM TO THE REEDS AFTER THE ELECTION……THANK GOODNESS THAT NOBAMA IS GOING TO MAKE THESE GUYS DISAPPEAR, ALL THE CRAZY LEFTIES ARE BEING UNMASKED FOR THE SOCIALISTS THEY ARE.
THEY DON’T WANT A DEBATE, CONVERSATION OVER, HAHAHA, JUST LIKE THE LYING GLOBAL WARMING PLAYBOOK, THESE GUYS ONLY HAVE ONE PLAYBOOK, SOCIALISM. I LOVE THAT IT FINALLY IS CLEAR TO EVERYONE NOW, THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET HERE FOR 40 YEARS AND AMERICA IS GOING TO STOMP THEM OUT AND THAT IS A GOOD THING,
PLEASE KEEP TALKING DEAN, GORE, NOBAMA, PELOSI, REID, RANGEL, DODD, GEITNER, BERNEKE, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE KEEP SPEAKING………….
PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AND SHOCKED THAT THEIR MEDIA MISSED ALL THE SOCIALISM CRAP BUT THE TRUTH IS OUT, THE MEDIA HELPED THEM SELL THE GLOBAL WARMING, SOCIALISM IS GOOD CRAP……….WOW THEN THE MEDIA IS GONE TOO, WE COULD GET LUCKY AND GET A TWOFOR……………………………….
Dean is right… capitalism and socialism are parts of human nature. Some people want to be capitalists and some socialists. Some want to run businesses and some want to devote their time to serving their community in a more hands on fasion. Both are great but the 800 lb gorilla in the room Dean is ignoring is that THEY ARE BOTH VOLUNTARY IN A FREE SOCIETY, NOT MANDATED BY THE GOVERNMENT ON THREAT OF FORCE! A government that FORCES you to be your brother’s keeper or FORCES you to buy things is nothing less that tyranny and turns The People into slaves. Make no mistake, this is the progressive’s goal.
Communitarianism is code for Communism, which is shorter and easier to pronounce. Communitarianism sounds like it was taken from the same lexicon as “strategery”
The debate is over… liberalism is a total failure.
The beauty of free speech is that it encourages idiots to speak, continuously. Keep it up, Howard!
Ok who was the moron that left the cell door open at the loony bin that Sceamin Dean was staying at? What Rexter stated above is very true.
Like a typical Dem-wit. We hear now from on-high by the dictators running the country: “The debate is over.” So now we can go about our normal, routine lives… right! These tyrannical socialists will continue to use their lackies in the media to change the minds of America. Meanwhile, in the laboratory of reality, Americans actually see that the first year of rampant socialism from this Prezizzle B.O. has been nothing short of a disaster. Not quite the hope-n-change people voted for last year. I think Mr. Dean hasn’t seen the next act of this play yet.
Oh, and one more thing… WTF is that big red ribbon hanging from the north portico of the White House? Is that some sort of multi-cultural symbol for the “holidays”? Love how the PC crowd has co-opted Christmas as the catch-all season for every religion. Happy Kwanzaa, y’all!
Rexter, shut the hell up you racist bigoted moronic troll.
@ Henry Zecher — unfortunately your argument does not hold up because you’ve defeated it yourself. Without a wise government (which we all agree we will never have), Medicare and SS both went bankrupt and now the nation as a whole is bankrupt as well. As for the needy and destitute, individuals and small, local organizations (i.e., charities, churches) can, have, and do care for those people far better and with far less fraud than any government agency could ever hope to do. Empower the individual (through captialism) and you will see the needy cared for. all you have to do is look around to see the proof of it, especially this time of year. Where you and I will probably agree is on reasonable laws enacted and enforced by government which prevent business from cheating the system.
“Government exists to protect us from each other. When government is out of line is when it starts trying to protect us from ourselves.” — R. Reagan
The debate is over, Howard Dean and Al Gore are morons.
someone should shoot him dead and kill his kids.
He is a traitor as are all communist democrats.
They are traitors.
The penalty for treason is DEATH.
Kill the democrats.
Hitler was a Socialist too but full blown Marxism is taking over the Democratic Party.
You cannot have capitalism and socialism at the same time; each is poison to the other. You can have capitalism with charity but socialism is not charity. You can have socialism with production of capital but the producers of that capital are slaves. In other-words: “you can’t have your cake and eat it,too”. But, just like almost everyone in Mr. Dean’s generation they think they can have it all simply because they ARE The Boomer Generation. Hope the young people he was talking to are smarter than that.
This is amazing. The utter incompetence of the Democratic party is astounding. However, it is not surprising when you look at who their constituency is — inner city minorities (specifically African Americans), naive college ideologues (who major in anything but something useful, like economics, business, or political science and whose parents usually messed up somewhere along the way), and most of the have-nots in America. This constituency is a danger and a joke (these are the people that other countries ridicule us for actually giving them a say in anything meaningful) and has contributed to the election of an administration completely inept of leadership, decisiveness, perceived strength, common sense, and transcending racial divides. They are fundamentally destroying the foundation of this country and with it the modern Western, American-led way of life as we know it. By the way Rexter, you are clearly an idiot and have no idea what you are talking about. I’d recommend a macro and micro economics course, just for starters, followed by a several lengthy history courses. Quit your liberal non-fact based whining.
Rocket Science Dean at it again. Oh and global warming is real too huh ? We have not had capitalism in the USA since 1910 so what’s his point?
Breitbart’s headline for the video from April is misleading. Dean is saying that the debate is about the proportion of C vs S. Of course Dean is wrong. As any student of Hayek (and the US Founders) know, the political powers inherent in any level of socialism will aggregate until they become totalitarianism. Ask any Briton to show you a pocket knife!
Rexter: “Free trade” is a guise to take away our sovereignty – and guess what – the Ivory Tower pushers of this try to sell it to you with greed. You are so overcome that even common sense is lost – yeah we will all get rich by outsourcing all our jobs. Good plan. The reality is that trading with people on dirt floors just lowers your standard of living.
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What you fail to understand is that is isn’t “free trade” and a free market that drives prices up and jobs overseas … it’s government interference and over regulation. Government has created the economic mess we’re in now, and they want you to believe it’s all the fault of “free trade”.
Government is responsible for the high cost of health care. Just use your head. Everything from free medical for illegals and underpaying doctors for Medicare and regulation inhibiting the sale of health insurance across state lines … all that must be passed onto the paying consumer.
Use your head … a “free” market regulates itself. Things only go south when the government steps in.
Too much government is the problem and the more we get the worse it will get.
Lets see how well you and your PINKO socialist trash hold up in 2010 /12
Dissent is NOT the highest form of patriotism.
Welcome to the wonderful world of American Stalinism with your hosts and masters of the ruling class, the DNC.
Thankfully this arrogant ahole no longer practices medicine. He needs a through epistemological house cleaning, if he know what that is. YEEEHAAAA
The issue is not whether Democrats have wanted to have socialism mixed in with US government. The issue is whether it is a good thing. Wise informed people understand correctly that socialism is evil in all of it’s forms. The rest are idiots, to ever think that mixing in this evil system with US government is a good thing. What it is is evil leaders, usually democrats, that want to buy poor people votes with the promise of a free ride using socialism as the vehicle.
The man is borderline retarded. The debate will be settled Nov. 2010 and resoundingly in 2012.
Somebody should cancel Howard Dean’s passport. It is a national embarrassment to have him espousing such views on foreign soil. Probably the French here are thinking, “Damn, he is as nutty as we are.” Perhaps if someone in the room had experienced a loud flatulence Howard would have surrendered. Ever notice that the word “victory” is missing from some people’s vocabulary?
Rexter, with 6 billion people on the planet, free trade is the only moral alternative. With 6 Billion people, we are not at a loss for competition. Every other alternative that stifles free trade ultimately leads to slavery.
What is socialism?
Capitalism epitomizes the laws of nature….its survival of the fittest …socialism is proposed by the losers who can’t compete and want to bring everyone down to their level…its not new its old….people reject it time and time again throughout history…unfortunately many have been brainwashed in the schools…resist the socialist they want your money…your thoughts and your children
What debate, I don’t remember hearing any debate.
Dean, please keep talking! These idiots are their own worst enemy!
Unfortunately, they are the republics worst enemy too.
Remind us all again on how this turd made HIS money?
Dean calls this generation multi-racial saying the days are over when we say: ‘my dad’s Asian, my mom’s white’. And goes on to say how much closer America will be to the European way of permanent campaigning on issues.
I can’t wait for the day when all the government surveys will eliminate any reference to colors. For instance: Black will be replaced with African American; White will be replaced by European American; the other races on these government surveys (jury duty, census forms, etc.) have already been recognized without color references.
No red, yellow, brown. Just black and white folks have colors. And by the way, the word caucasion has long since been removed as a classification because it was too broad a reference. So, please Dr. Dean, no more color references. German, Irish, Italian, etc., is more acceptable second only to no reference at all. We’re all Americans so stop trying to pigeon hole my new generation like your generation continues to do.
@Rexter:
“Free trade” is exactly what it appears to be. It’s the freedom of you and me to trade with whomever we please, devoid of protectionist regulation and tariffs. There’s no loss of sovereignty in that. Nor does buying a product from a dirt poor guy lower your standard of living. Quite the opposite, it raises your standard of living if your alternative was an equivalent product at a higher price. It’s not really rocket science, just basic common sense. Spending less on some item, leaves your more money to spend on other items. More stuff for the same amount of money = better standard of living.
Radical Socialism , Global Warming and Howard Dean have one thing in common …… They are all Three done . Just look at the last 10 months !!!!!
As to You leftist on greed …… The leaders of the far left are Gore worth $ 120 Million dollars …… the Clintons 140 Million dollars ….. The Google Guys 22 Billion dollars , Sidney Lewis owner of Progressive Insurance ….. three billion dollars ….. Bill Gates , George Soros 50 billion each plus ….. not to mention Hollywood idiots making 25 to 50 million for terrible movies running 90 minute ………. that is greed .
The debate IS over, the settled science is that man-made global warming does NOT exist. It is a myth best left to fade away. But it won’t. The “great deception” will continue, in the name of tyranny and oppression, power and corruption.
Yes the debate is over. Socialism is and always has been a failure. So get out of my way Howard and let me do what I do best. Create and make money, hire people and grow the economy.
Get a life Howard, some us us will never be sheep.
Well, we call it like we see it. Truth hurts, doesn’t it?
The debate will be over when the government stops trying to take over the private sector bit by bit. And our healthcare. Let the free market be free. Wild, I know, but let the free market do what it’s suppose to do.
With the exception of Barack Obama, Howard Dean is the best example of the Democratic Socialist Party. They are obsessed with income redistribution, higher taxes and more government. Stalin would be proud!
start shooting the Democrats.
we won’t go down like the peasantry in Russia in 1919.
Good luck, lone wolves.
May your bullets fly straight and true.
This is a doctor that just makes me sick.
The debate IS OVER ? …DEAN is the poster child of a big mouth socialist……all hat and no cattle..
He has several fat government pensions that he can go home and retire on…..If he is such a socialist why
does he not donate one of his government pensions to the poor?
“Communitarianism” is voluntary.
Government is based on violent force.
For those who equate Capitalism with greed are plain ignorant! There is as much greed in Socialism as the other – it’s just developed and parsed out differently. Capitalism and Free Trade allow individuals to earn and spend their money (property) as they please. Socialism by nature takes from the individual and determines what and how to extract property and how and where to spend it. It’s either an individual choice to do what you please or a forced choice driven by the state and a select few in government. Which would you rather be responsible for – freedom to choose how property is acquired and divided or be forced? Either way it’s a choice – choose wisely!
My biggest beef with most who comment on forums or blogs is that they have no idea what they’re talking about when blathering on about either one of these and most issues! Most American’s are ignorant and have been brainwashed with misinformation. Most of you think that we’re a democracy when in fact this Nation is a Constitutional Republic. Most of you (99%) don’t know the difference. Most of you don’t know how either function. BTW – a Constitutional Republic cannot be paired with Socialism. If that’s what we’re wanting then believe BHO that “change” is on the way – you had better pay attention.
there was a bunch of very smart people that wrote a constitution many years ago to prohibit this type of control on our lives…the democrats loathe it because it restricts their ability to control the rest of us …they want power because their persona is lacking the social skills to attain the way most great leaders in this country did…the real agenda here is to usurp the constitution
Liberal Democrats have taken corruption to a new high and taxpayers will be paying the bill for years. THE STIMULUS BILL, how are those jobs coming? THE ACORN SCANDAL, taxpayers supporting voter fraud! THE GLOBAL WARMING SCAM, fat Al and bogus scientists getting rich while you pay the tab!
And best of all, THE HEALTH CARE SCAM, citizens will pay taxes and public insurance costs for 4 years before receiving ANY benefits, during that time current Medicare and Medicaid benefits will be reduced to build up the kitty and put in the hands of HONEST OBAMA and our HONORABLE CONGRESS.
Now certainly we can trust HONEST OBAMA and our HONORABLE CONGRESS to hold that money in trust for us, right? Surely they will make good on their promises, right?
IT’S MILKING TIME AND YOU LIBERAL DEMOCRAT VOTERS ARE THE STUPIDEST COWS EVER!
Corruption in Congress
http://usataxpayer.org/view.asp?Get=corruptcongress
Global Warming Scam Exposed!
http://usataxpayer.org/view.asp?Get=globalwarming
What the dems propose is not socialism. In socialism, everyone contributes to the greater good. What the dems are pushing is plain ol’ welfare. They don’t want the ‘victims’ of capitalism to have to find a job. They would rather they stay home and push out more babies they can’t afford that will vote dem because the dems make it so they can live like that. As long as the government provideth, these ‘victims’ will continue to taketh with no need for something ambitious like finding a job to earn their own living.
That’s a good idea; we can coexist. Democrats can have socialism. Republicans can have capitalism.
Thank you for your blunt honesty Mr. Dean, Americans will give their response to this in the Mid-Term Election next year.
The bigger the government the smaller the individual, which is what modern liberal desires.
This clip of Mr. Dean will be well received with the 23% of the population who actually believes this drivel.
I don’t trust Dean as far as I could throw him, but does it bother anyone else that the soundtrack does not match his lips on this tape? I don’t want to forward it because my democrat friends would eat me alive and claim hoax.
Citizen Anthony good post….I think people are smarter than you think…they may not understand the theoretical nuances of political forms of government but when you show them how each form will affect their lives they understand quite clearly…that’s how the argument needs to be framed…more taxes…less freedom…lower standard of living….negative outlook…all byproducts of socialism it become a monster and eventually a dictatorship…if we get back to the constraints of the constitution we can negate that….more control in the hands of few is what socialism is
Dean? What can one say about this retard? And some people wonder why I hate the Left. Why I loathe them. If you want to know why I hate the parasites, look at Dean.
As soon as the liberal fascists run out of other people’ money, the debate will be over
Thank God for Naked Emperor…he truly does the Lord’s work in bringing news stories to light – that the mainstream media won’t bother looking into.
Maragret…its clearly his voice
Always remember…The poorest nations on earth wrought with the most fraud, deceit, starvation and poverty are…Socialist nations. Ever been to Cuba, China, North Korea, Nigeria, Syria, Egypt, and the like? Capatilism improves life standards, But like anything, it has its glitches. It is by far the best economic system in the world. And Mr. Dean, the debate is not over – nor do you have any right to declare that such a debate is over.
You folks have all been watching WAY too much Fox News. Think for yourself for once instead of mindlessly accepting what the TV tells you. Do you REALLY think capitalism is dead?? Really??
And they talk about Sarah Palin! This guy is insane and needs treatment. This is the kind of insane jerk that permeates the liberal Democrat party. Excessive drug use in their younger days has apparetly led to early onset of insanity. Take a good look libs, this is what’s running your party. Lots of liuck to future generations if we don’t stop these people
it’s over till the winchesters come out,you freaking loon.
Usually when a socialist decides the debate is over it is followed by rounding up the opposition and jailing them or putting them in re-education camps. We call those public schools in this country and they have apparently done their job over the last 30 years or so. Stupid people believe in the power of the state. Smart people believe in the power of the markets. Stupid people are now the majority.
You know, Vermont is a beautiful state without their politicians.
Howard Dean is a complete idiot. Let me see, what other words come to mind… moron, baboon. He IS the face (and yell) of the Democratic Party. hahahahahahahaahahah
Howard Dean was very lucky, in normal conditions he would have been homeless.
He is beyond stupidity and why people listen to him?
Lets take the worst of both and watch the dollar melt. Mixed economics caused the economic downturn, they are not the solution.
Moammar Quadaffi and Howard Dean are both joined at the hip. BOTH are certifiable WACK JOBS. What is even scarier is that Howard Dean was/is an MD!
Time to fight. I will not live under that form of economy,
These folks are not socialists they are communists.
They better have a lot bigger army than they have sense.
Heads shall roll.
Just like the science of global warming is settled and over. How long are we going to tolerate these clowns among us?
darwin December 1st, 2009 – 10:06 am
What you fail to understand is that is isn’t “free trade” and a free market that drives prices up and jobs overseas … it’s government interference and over regulation. Government has created the economic mess we’re in now, and they want you to believe it’s all the fault of “free trade”.
What those practicing the religion (because people must have faith despite evidence to the contrary) of “Free Trade” love to gloss over is that other countries subsidize their industries and DUMP their cut-rate products on our shores and destroy our native industries. Then they jack the price up and you are paying high-price for a junky product. It is like that everywhere you look now – and the big box stores are accomplices in this.
Funny that the very same self-described conservatives that buy in to this “free trade” talk a good game about “security” but have a huge blind spot for the enormous jeopardy it places us in being DEPENDENT on other nations. BUT THAT IS THE GOAL of the round-table globalists and all you self-described conservatives that buy in to this are RUBES.
Government is responsible for the high cost of health care.
Sure. What does that have to do with anything?
Use your head … a “free” market regulates itself.
Ah, thought that was your mistake. That was what was intended when they chose that term. We could have FREE markets WITHIN the US if we would stop all trade with FOREIGN countries.
Things only go south when the government steps in.
Too much government is the problem and the more we get the worse it will get.
So, drop our borders, too? What do you think the round-table globalists would say to that? That is their goal.
Homeboy…oh its not dead but they keep attacking and eroding it and its screwing every body’s life up …if left unchecked we will be a Venezuela…embrace capitalism and the cream will rise and the leeches will still be leeches in the gutter thats where they belong…socialism caters to the leeches Capitalism rewards the workers
Hey, da wurld is blak an wite. Ah don sees no grays. Knows wat Ah means?
OHHHHHHHHHHH SHUTTTTTTTTTTTTT UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP you F##K&& SCUM BAG COMMUNIST DOCTOR !
The irony is that Chinese influenced corporations like Newscorp (Fox News – yes it is an easy claim to back up), who do not practice free trade, are the ones who misuse the rhetoric of free trade in order to kill it. I don’t have any products at Wal-Mart or other retailers, and neither does anyone I know. We don’t have political ties to Chinese factories.
All of these entities that pretend to be conservative, are harming the conservative movement. By promoting an empty version of free trade capitalism for only rich people, here and abroad, they give capitalism a bad name.
I for one will be doing all I can from now until 2010 to get these socialist/marxist/progressives out of office. I will be putting up signs with funds out of my own pockets because lord knows the RNC doesn’t have the testicular fortitude to attack them a viciously as they should be doing. I will be talking to neighbors/family/friends and educating them on the complete mess and embarrassment this administration and congress are to our great country. Stand up and let the uninformed know what is going on underneath their noses. Our country is in jeopardy and it needs your help to restore it back to its once great state…..Congressman Connolley, your ass is grass and I am the lawn mower…Keith Fimian 2010!!!!!
We know what he is saying. Take from the rich and give to the poor. But disguised as that WE should be GIVING. Taking = Socialism. Giving = Free Will.
It is not giving when someone takes from me. Listen, I give what I can when I can. I think everyone who wants to give, should give(not to the government) and how much depends on the person ability.
When they have the “get out the vote” campaign, its a good thing. But if they forced you to vote is it still your choice ?
I guess what I’m saying is you can’t force people to give and call it generosity. But you can call it socialism when they take it from me and call it generosity.
Dean go scream to Muslim and Communist, Shut the f–k up. deversity is fine but you are an oracle of Muslims Communist Marxist Lenonists and all Anti American groups for your Comander in thief the Muslim Trojan horse Barry Soetoro AKA Husien Insane Obama!
Does Mrs. Dean even listen to this guy anymore?
Rexter, your argument gets lost in the diatribe. you have points to make, lose the finger pointing.
Dean is right. The debate is OVER. Capitalism has won. Now what we need is for the Government to repeal the laws that have stifled Capitalism so that it can take humanity to the next level of standard of living. Capitalism has DONE (note the past tense) more throughout the world to raise the poverty level than any attempt at socialism or theoretical socialism has promised. Name ONE socialist system that has done more to help human kind than American Capitalism.
The dems, once again read 2008 all wrong! Obama ran as some kind of sensible touchy feely kind of middle of the road candidate that will bring everyone together. He has proven to be quite the opposite in a very short time, and people are waking from the election hangover.Who they voted for, and what they got don’t add up.
2010 will shake all the loose fruit from the tree, and 2012 will be the chainsaw that takes the whole tree down.
Ah don no nuttin bout no socia…suci…soso…socialisms bud ifin it be bout commernisms Ahm again it.
Just look at these videos of the destruction Obama did in Kenya 07. 1300 people died because of him and 250,000 where displaced because Odinga burned villages. Obama has a connection to Odinga his cousin of the same tribe who was about indicted by the UN war crimes commision but Cousin Obama made a deal with the UN.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=Odinga+Obama&aq=f
When you hear someone on the left saying, over and over again, “the debate is over” you should rest assured that it is both raging and they feel they are loosing; and most afraid for you to hear anyone else or feel free to speak out.
When these “I can spend your money better than you can spend your money” types spend THEIR fortunes on what they say I should spend my meager earnings on, when they’re making what I’m making, then and ONLY then have they achieved the right for me to consider their opinions on where my money should go — but even then, it should be my choice, not theirs.
It’s a shame we can’t turn power-hungry politicians into a fuel source for it would surely be both cheap and plentiful.
Hansi December 1st, 2009 – 10:11 am
“Free trade” is exactly what it appears to be. It’s the freedom of you and me to trade with whomever we please, devoid of protectionist regulation and tariffs.
How’s that workin’ for you? LOL! No end to unemployment in sight. Let’s buy all our products from foreigners and export all our jobs. The Ivory-tower round-table neocons said it will make us all rich! And when it makes us all poor, they will have made their millions and living with Bush in Paraguay. Fools.
There’s no loss of sovereignty in that.
Of COURSE there is. Why do you think the fascists that make up the round-table groups LOVE it???? It is simple. To make sure this free trade is really free…..WE NEED GLOBAL GOVERNMENT. EVERY plan for “free trade” means MORE government. Government that superscedes OURS. That is their way of circumventing the Constitution. You really haven’t caught on to this? How long since Clinton/Gore-Bush NAFTA? You know about Gore who wants global government via carbon credits. Hmmmm, think there will be “free trade” with the carbon credits? LOL!
Nor does buying a product from a dirt poor guy lower your standard of living.
It does when it throws your neighbor out of work and your property values go down. But keep being mesmerized in front of your big screen tv and ignore the country collapsing around you.
Quite the opposite, it raises your standard of living if your alternative was an equivalent product at a higher price.
Oh please. Rationalization of greed.
It’s not really rocket science, just basic common sense. Spending less on some item, leaves your more money to spend on other items. More stuff for the same amount of money = better standard of living.
Sort of like how illegal aliens are “cheaper” too, right? All this text-book indoctrination you learned in your econ class falls apart in the real world because those econ classes quickly glossed over all the absurd and unrealistic ASSUMPTIONS they have to make in order for their little utopia to work. Ever notice what utopian societies end up being? Econ teaches that flooding your city with illegals will make you rich. They don’t seem to look up from their text books and look at places like California and particularly LA and how “rich” it has made them. LOL!
Please show me where in the world socialism/communism has actually worked? It doesn’t. It hasn’t. Capitalism works as long as greed is kept in check. Our constitutional republic, along with our free market, were designed and can only work for a principled, moral people. Otherwise totalitarianism is what we will get and what we deserve.
This guy is a nut. Polls show we don’t want socialism and the liberals will be voted out in 2010. The concern is the people that come into the country from third world or banana republics were they expect everything for free and the Dems will give away the dollars for the vote. To be fair, the Rublicams are no better at times. We need strong PRESIDENTIAL leadership… Obama is garbage and should be tossed out. I have no respect for him or his thugs. He lied about his close ties to ACORN and other terror organizers.
I will believe that “they” believe Socialism is best, when every single mother’s son puts 99.% of their assets into the government coffers. Until then, they continue to enjoy the fruits of our labor, at our expense, and try to make us all feel guilty. We are the most giving nation in the history of the world. We help more people than all other countries combined. America has made it possible for the West to achieve its level of prosperity by protecting them with our military…that includes Canada. They ingrates of the first order. Dean is certainly entitled to his opinion, insane though it may be. He and his ilk need to put their money to work rather than raise our taxes!!!
Socialism – the equal distribution of goods and services.
So, America is against equality. Who needs services? Forget the goods.
Might as well bury humanity. We live in the dumbest country in the world.
This isn’t about left or right–it’s about US and common sense–a shortage of both apparently.
How many people know that man of the people Howard Dean is now at the Law firm of McKenna Long & Aldridge, on K St., in Washington DC as a
Senior Strategic Advisor and Independent Consultant. One can only guess at the humonguous salary he is getting so the firm can have his name associated with them. Probabaly explains why so many staffers have lost their jobs. I love how all these stinking rich Dems pretend they are for the little guy while sucking up money from anyone willing to buy their influence.
H2K December 1st, 2009 – 10:08 am
Rexter, with 6 billion people on the planet, free trade is the only moral alternative. With 6 Billion people, we are not at a loss for competition. Every other alternative that stifles free trade ultimately leads to slavery.
“Free Trade” agreements like NAFTA make our Constitution null-and-void. How’s that for slavery? I’m sure those 5.5 billion in the rest of the world won’t have a problem voting to live in your house since they have less than you do. Free Trade is global government is worldwide communism is the wet dream of the globalists. Wake up.
I would say the debate is over on the fact that you have no brain matter between your ears!
I didn’t know Howard Dean was still around. Wasn’t he institutionalized for awhile?
As they say in the South: “Bless His Heart”!
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This guy continues to confirm he is an idiot who has no concept of reality!
I could only get through the first 1/3 of the vid. Did he bring up opening “re-education camps” as shovel-ready jobs?
What other “system” has brought such wealth and progress to the world… EVER?
And this Lame-Duck-In-Waiting wants to destroy our nation and everything our forefathers fought for? I guess he doesnt consider going from a horse and buggy to a digital generation where even the poorest among us are among the richest in the world…
PROFIT IS NOT EVIL. IT IS NECESSITY FOR INNOVATION AND JOBS.
If you dont believe in capitalism, there are plenty of other countries for you to go live in and experience your nirvana first-hand.
Be sure to give up your American Citizenship on your way out. We will all thank you.
Now I remember why I ordered all that ammunition.
REXTER will keep his job by manufacturing goods then selling them to himself for a thriving economy…
lol.
Anyone notice the name of the cafe? Cafe Rouge…Red cafe. How appropriate.
To even say something like this is, in my mind, treason. That these people are so empowered by the droolers they have deluded into voting for a squashed penis like Obama is just proof that if you preach it often enough and loud enough and continually appeal to the baser instincts of a Darwidiot, you can sell anything. It doesn’t hurt that the Demmunists have controlled the funding to the not-so-public education system for the last 60 years or so. The worst part of this is that it is not only about putting their boots on our necks but that they are absolutely wrong. I’m business-degreed but I didn’t need to be to know that these Communists space-takers are wrong. As simplistic as it sounds, socialism appeals to the laziness in a person while capitalism brings out the competitive excellence in a person.
this is the first multi-cultural generation(?) has he never heard of “the melting pot”? the democrats created racial tensions when johnson said, we can’t expect the black person to do it on their own.
what a terrible thing to say.
When people start using the word ’socialism’, SAYING IT RIGHT OUT LOUD…….that means WE ARE ALREADY ON OUR WAY TO COMMUNISM!
THE WORDS LIKE ‘CZAR’…..’HOMELAND’……ARE WORDS COMMUNISTS USE…..NOT AMERICANS!
WATCH OUT! KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON COPENHAGEN! OUR FREEDOMS MAY BE SIGNED AWAY IN THIS HOAX CALLED ‘CLIMATE CHANGE!
Dean has always been a crank, but he does know his audience. Once I saw that his speech is to a group in Paris, that was all I needed to know.
Dean – STHU!!!
This silly, ignorant little troll! It still amazes me that one can be a doctor and so stupid at the same time – he’s a bigger joke of a man than Obama… and that’s saying a lot.
Sorry, Howie – Americans DO NOT want to adopt the European model, despite the lamentations of a small band of un-American, wholly ignorant socialists like yourself.
You really want to help America? DISAPPEAR!
So does this mean we can stop teaching our kids to excel, since they’ll be getting the same as everyone else regardless of their abilities and competencies?
And doing to well may mean you’ll have to made an example of, for the sake of the USSA.
Andy From Beaverton said it so well!
It bears repeating…..
Relativity – a theory
Quantum mechanics – a theory
Big bang – a theory
- – – – – – – – – – – – – – -
Global warming – the science is settled
Capitalism vs. socialism – the debate is over
5 million people jump off a cliff to try and Fly….the Democrates want everyone to jump off a cliff and fly because they say it can be done…..If it has failed in the past all over the world….so let us all listen to the Village Idiots……Those who fail to understand the PAST are Doomed to Repeat it.
The debate is over? Why? Did he scream? Because that “I’m definitely not insane!” scream was the signal of his campaign being over. Just wondering.
Dean is a commie retard
I read a lot of your comments before I listened to Dean and was surprised at how sane the doctor seemed. After reading what most of you knee-jerks said, i expected at least as much insanity as I have come to expect from the good doctor. What he said, though, was, 1. “Capitalism is eternal because it is based in human nature” and 2. “Human nature also brings us together into communities”. Neither of those statements is incorrect. However, the mistake that liberals often make is to equate socialism with community. The assumption is that all the instincts that make us seek out human connections can be harnessed to a mutually beneficent system of justice and financial interaction. What they fail to see is that all tyranny in history was begun by groups or individuals that promised a “mutually beneficent” system. Once the socialist has everyone nodding, he pulls a fast one and uses the laws that were put in place to benefit all as a ploy to gradually tighten the benefited group down in some cases to one. Never forget that Hitler’s party was “nationalist SOCIALIST” he promised to make the world better for all Germans. Hugo Chavez preaches “Bolivarian SOCIALISM” and promises a better world for all Venezuelans. I think both of them started off wanting to do the right thing for the poor and oppressed, but the greed that socialists blame on capitalism is really what is part of human nature. When capitalists succumb to greed, they do it based on their own abilities to get other people to give them money (legitimately or not). when socialists succumb to greed, they do it with all the force of the state at their backs. I will take my chances with the capitalists any day.
I hope this moron isn’t practicing medicine anymore. Why on earth would we want to use the “European Model” ? What an idiot!
It is Star Wars Episode III. The “progressives” are the sith. Get prepared for an attempt to massacre the Jedi capitalists.
Obama makes a pretty effeminate Darth Sidious, though. We could call him “Darth Pink Flower.”
Yeah…uh-huh…whatever you say, Howard. Why don’t you go sit in the corner and play with your View Master. BTW: Your fly is open.
How did someone who hates humanity so much make it through medical school?
dumbguyneocon December 1st, 2009 – 10:56 am
“REXTER will keep his job by manufacturing goods then selling them to himself for a thriving economy…”
Actually, that is rather a lot like the model for the “service economy” that was use to lull you all to sleep while everything of value was taken out of the country. “You do my laundry and I will do yours and we will have a service economy where we all get rich!” Truth is, government LOVES this because that is TAXABLE.
All you rubes even nod your head when the government keeps a straight face and reports about CONSUMPTION figures and pull a bait-and-switch that it is somehow relating to the economy. Economy is PRODUCTION, not consumption. But they just have to keep you all fooled and asleep a LITTLE bit longer before they pull the rug out from under you and you will be living in conditions that will be below that of the Soviet citizens. Consumption counted as the economy is like counting your expenses as income. No wonder they have kept you all in the dark so long – the schools don’t teach economics – only “free trade” cult-thinking. China uses mercantilism and will surpass us – especially since they don’t think in the short term and the next special at “Best Buy.”
I wish we could Cap and Trade morons like this. They are a cancer on America.
The only “ism” you get with Democrats is Skepticism!
In 2010 and 2012, VOTE THEM OUT!
seatle tim….I couldn’t have said it better…so true
Howard Dean, like Rexter, are abject losers in dire need of lobotomies.
Free Markets and Socialism cannot coexist. Which is why we’re getting rid of the liberal commies next year and thereafter.
Dean is simply repeating the ideals that Obama holds dear. If you disagree with him you need to also disagree with Obama.
Howard Dean, once a loser, always a loser.
Howard, you are a Jackass.
Trying to get a far left jerk like Howard to look at the facts is like sticking a cross in the face of the devil.
They don’t like it much.
What do people like Dean think is going to happen to them if they further hurt our great nation?
They are full blown traitors, and Obama wasn’t born here and Pelosi is a pig.
There you have it.
RogerCfromSD December 1st, 2009 – 11:08 am
Free Markets and Socialism cannot coexist. Which is why we’re getting rid of the liberal commies next year and thereafter.
Get another globalist in capitalist’s clothing like Bush who expanded government more than Clinton did. Yeah, right. No Chow Left Behind. Drug-up the Seniors program (aka, the Make the Rich Pharma CEO’s Richer Program).
Hey, Mr, Dr. Dean, whatever you call yourself…you need to a good old fashioned “enema!” You are so full of it that you should buy a carbon offset from your pal Al Gore, to clean up the air!
Permanent campaign mode? Gee, thanks for pointing that out, Howard. Obama has never stopped campaigning. Since day one he has been campaigninhg for 2012. We can have both socialism AND capitalism? Unreal.
Bob
If you have sold my democracy for a fist full of dollars for all you lawyer/politicians, then bring home every soldier that has been mislead to believe that he or she is in Iraq or Afghanastan fighting for democracy. And never, let me repeat, never, call anyone in my family to defend your socialism because my life is worth more than your free health care. What a disgusting group of self centered freaks.
did u see the lady @ the table behind him near the end of the video – she looks totally boored then she start’s using her pda – lol
The two party system is what is wrong with this country. We need a legitimate third party to make the Dems and Reps honest:
http://www.lp.org
We have to start making ECONOMICS A REQUIRED HIGH SCHOOL AND/OR COLLEGE COURSE. These politicians (and their voting constituents) have been able to spend their lives disconnected from the study of political economies and economic history (in law, social studies and medical school) until they begin making policy (or voting on same). Socialism always ends in under-performance if not abject economic failure – always. It may take a while before that is clear, but the end is certain. The rising economic tide of Capitalism really does lift all boats (yes, there is a role for regulation) and it has been clearly proven that the American Dream is available to EVERYONE (evidenced by a black president and black billionaires). But those who seek to pit one class against the other for short term political gain (”uniters” in Demo-speak), promoting socialistic wealth redistribution, impaired international competitiveness and other maladies are counting on the populace to play along with their construct because they don’t know the underlying academic principles. The scary part – some of these idiot policitians actually believe this stuff! And the far scarier part underneath it all, THESE SOCIALIST DEMOCRATS REALLY DO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH WEAKER WE ARE BECOMING AS A NATION. IT IS NOT INCOMPETENCE – IT HAS BEEN THEIR PLAN ALL ALONG.
This just isn’t going to end well at all. My advice to these communist pigs is to stay in the ivory tower during the election and run from there. Because if they show up at the doors of random people this election ala “Obama meets Joe Plumber”, a few will end up dead or at least severely injured.
Capitalism consists of money chasing goods and service by a large auction in which anyone can participate. Socialism is a mass distribution of wealth in which the powerful direct where all the money goes from taxes from you and me without our input. Capitalism is based on the free moral agency of human beings to decide what they want, when and where. Socialism is run by executive fiat of the powerful and it userps the free moral agency of human beings which have the God given right to control their own lives.
Hey, Mr, Dr. Dean, whatever you call yourself…you need a good old fashioned “enema!” You are so full of it that you should buy a carbon offset from your pal Al Gore, to clean up the air!
IDIOT! December 1st, 2009 – 10:57 am
When people start using the word ’socialism’, SAYING IT RIGHT OUT LOUD…….that means WE ARE ALREADY ON OUR WAY TO COMMUNISM!
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Yep!
I have been saying years that there is a red flag in every democrats’ closet. Thanks dumbass, for proving that.
killalgore December 1st, 2009 – 10:05 am
I hope they pick your crazy azz up ASAP.
This is joke web site,you fools don’t know the difference between socialism,marxism or communism.
Shrill critics menacingly brandish “socialism” to terrify the unthinking, forgetting – or willfully ignoring – that while the United States is capitalist, it’s also hip deep in various modes of socialism.
Members of Congress enjoy “cradle to grave” socialist medical and retirement benefits that outstrip those of the old Soviet Central Committee members.
Write Congress and tell them you want it stopped,along with Social Security,Medicare,Medicaid,Military Health Care,SCHIP,The Veterans Adm.TVA,Public Parks,City Fire and Police Departments. All a form of socialism.
Stop paying taxes,since your tax payer dollars are use to fund all of these socialist departments.
Btw good luck with not paying taxes
By having one person decide on how much of Socialism and Capitalism we should have it’s called China and that’s Communism. First of all humanitarianism is in no way Socialism, Humanitarianism is successful people assisting people through independent charities. Socialism is the confiscation of private wealth by a third group called government and giving it to political friends period. Today is a perfect example of it Acorn for one is funded with tax dollars as being underprivileged money and yet they helped a parry get elected. There is no freedom when Socialism is involved if there were then Socialism could not exist.
Will be possible for an old dog invent new ideological tricks? Just a thought.
The governor is exaggerating. I would say that “unfettered” and “unregulated” capitalism is moribund and that “globalization” is out of control. If these are not reined this will lead to some form of socialism, or even worse, communism or national socialism, or otherwise risk riots, tax revolts, and revolutions in the western states.
It is absurd to claim that socialism can coexist with capitalism–socialism (as any form of collectivism, i.e., communism, statism, fascism, naziism, etc.) is the *negation* of capitalism. They are mutually exclusive, just as are freedom and slavery. Once slavery is introduced in your life, you are no longer free. Ayn Rand said it best: In any compromise between food and poison, only death can win. Smart lady!
These liberal-fascist maggots are so in love with the “European model,” why don’t they just go to Europe to live out the remainder of their swamp rat lives? It’s long past time to flush these Demonrats and their partner RINOs, these turds, right down the crapper.
Hey Howie D,
People feel a need for community and to assist one another out of their own hearts and desires from one human to another. Most of the things that we collectively do as a society today in which the gov’t has a role (law enforcement, fire dept., military,…) are either things that were traditionally the responsibility of gov’t or things we agreed needed to be centralized. Others (social welfare, helping the poor, etc…) are things that we as communtities can bind together and do collectively much, much better without gov’t. Once the gov’t steps in and makes it manditory, then the people will resent it and reject it. We already see that with certain gov’t social programs now. You want gov’t to force people to be responsibile for each other, it’ll have just the opposite effect you want, and you’ll automatically make it where people won’t cooperate just to be defiant.
Howie, for someone who claims to know human nature, you certainly don’t grasp that enticing people at the barrel of a gov’t gun will never work in the long run.
Socialism takes the humanness out of us and makes us all slaves to the “higher good.” In the democrats’ collective minds that “higher good” is material, palpable and sensate. Socialism robs human beings of free moral agency, and the initiative to create their own “life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.”
Liberals/Conservatives; two very different philosophical perspectives. 10 minutes of insight here:
Watch what happens to the idealists (liberals/socialists).
This debate is over as well-
Liberals DESPISE liberty.
The debate IS over. Socialism still doesn’t work. Anybody been to TJ lately?
Ha Ha December 1st, 2009 – 11:19 am
……Stop paying taxes,since your tax payer dollars are use to fund all of these socialist departments.
Btw good luck with not paying taxes
Yeah, nevermind that it is funding unjust wars in the Middle East and handed to countries that have attacked us like the USS Liberty.
The fix was in due to WAR. Temporary measure, we assure you, called “withholding.” Always for war so we always have war.
Sadly Dean is correct and Americans sat around on their fat backsides and let it happen. Greed from the lower and middle class to be sudo-rich people, who expected the American dream to come to them for free will now be the class that suffers the most and they do not even get it still!!! Do not blame the Democraps or the the Republicrats they only gave Americans what they asked for. It is too late to turn back America, its dreams and freedoms are now DEAD!!!!
Howard Dean is the PERFECT imbecile to head the DNC… He PERFECTLY represents the arrogant, ignorant, gullible, liberal chumps that comprise the Democrat Party. Howard, the debate is OVER: You and your party are DEFINITELY anti-American IDIOTS, and your days in American politics are numbered.
Funny how all these Commie LibDems are coming out now in open support of Socialism. Back when we were saying they were Socialists they tried to deny it. Liberals are liars. They should all move to Europe if that’s what they wants so bad instead of trying to ruin this country.
The only way to fix this current problem of top level socialist infiltration is to provide the correct medication
7.62×39mm lead pill!!!!It has been proven by climate science the russian lead pill works better on socialists. If
further adjustment is needed repeat treatment until America is healthy again.
Artist December 1st, 2009 – 11:25 am
…..to be sudo-rich….
Funny on several levels if you understand *nix commands.
This is funny, sad and predictable. Everytime the federal government exeeds its original intent things get screwed out of their logical order and errors occur over and over. Running out of money is the key signal that things are not being run right. None of this would happen if we kept government small and accountable. We have the solution just not people smart enough (in charge at the moment) to see the long term consequences of their short term “compassion and social engineering. G__ help us.
Howard Dean has been afflicted with the same disease as Joe Biden and John McCain; Basically, a form of “foot in mouth disease”, such that, the more important and smart they think they are, the worse it afflicts them.
The public education institutions of today encourge the Political leanings of Dr. Dean. Until the American People remove these wackos in the bureaucratic public education systems that have been established by these “Socialist Democrats”, the younger generation will continue to accept these concepts of Dr. Dean and his ilk as normal. I don’t see that happening anytime soon. When the baby boomers reach 80 years old they will be pushed to the “Solent Green” department of the Government Run
Health Care System that is currently being established. It will take 20 years to reverse the
philosophy the Democrats have instituted to the kids of today. And it will be a tough fight
because of the SEIU and others within the Government Run Institutions.
In the United States, we have communism for the corporations and banks and capitalism for the poor.
Boy artist you are a real positive force….doom and gloom…please crawl back under the rock…whatever is done can be undone…the post on this site proves there are plenty who get it….
The debate is over, byah!
Andy From Beaverton said:
Relativity – a theory
Quantum mechanics – a theory
- – – – – – – – – – – – – – -
Global warming – the science is settled
DEAR ANDY, WHAT HOLE DO YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD IN??
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT IN A SCIENTIFIC FIELD, OTHERWISE YOU’D KNOW THE FACTS:
Relativity – the science is settled
Quantum mechanics – the science is settled
Global warming – a theory being debunked w/ the latest release of “spin doctoring” emails by “those” warming scientists
… check your latest news releases
PS My Advanced Degrees are in Physics & Engineering
>> Both [Capitalism and Socialism] and which proportion of each …
Thats EASY. The FEDERAL government should provided those services SPELLED OUT in the CONSTITUTION and leave everything else to the States (so says the law of the land … the Constitution).
The MORE the Ferdarl government moves away from this principle, the more we will become an Oligarchy instead of a Republic. BTW, the difference is (in laymens terms) a Republic has Civil Liberties whereby an Oligarchy has elitists.
My Grandma told me a long time ago. “Someday the immates will be running the asylum.” We are there! LOL.
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What a ding dong! Dean, together with Al Gore, John Edwards and John Kerry have all demonstrated in time why they shouldn’t have been elected president.
If the debate between capitalism and socialism is over that must mean that the war between the two is about to begin? For they are completely and utterly incompatible, as they should be.
‘When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty”
-Thomas Jefferson
I look forward to the fight.
The debate between whether or not Howard Dean is a Cafe Communist sycophant is over.
Next…
And Al Gore says the debate about global warming is also over.
Wow, a whole page of mindless zombies. You people are sad.
The mask has been lifted. Howard Dean has proven that those who say Obama is moving this country toward socialism are not wild-eyed radicals. Now the Americans who bother to become informed have a clear choice which has been vocalized by Dean, though the debate is NOT over, and the capitalism and socialism cannot exist comfortable with each other and still result in a free country.
boot out those unethical greedy robber barons, the people WANT socialsim
No Mr Dean the debate isn’t over, it’s settled. Look at Rasmussen today. 71% of Americans are angry at the government. That means that 29% aren’t. I would bet you a dollar to a ruble that that 29% are the hardcore socialists. That number has remained consistent for the last 50 years. Since this administration is all about the socialists agenda I would say that the socialist experiment is an epic fail. No Mr. Dean the debate is
soooo over as the people are speaking. 71% of the non-socialists are going to kick the other 29% to the curb where they belong. I’m just sorry that there are that many but I’ll bet about half of that 29% are 20 somethings with doobs in their hands, the rest are Black Panther types who will never be satisfied with the
fair market system of the U.S. So once again Dean you are totally wrong. 2010 will see a real hope/change that Americans can believe it and it will begin with throwing out as many socialist Dems (but I repeat myself) as possible. No socialism in America no way!
Dxmn these liberal traitors.
There was a time…..
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The debate is over. we have a system that requires aspects of both capitalism and socialism. that’s what he’s saying, that we will never see a pure form of capitalism or socialism in this country and arguing about it does nothing to further progress or national benefit. The only argument to be had, is to determine where the state can operate in a capacity that is better or more beneficial than private enterprise. Health-care being a prime example. That is what he is saying, he is setting a criteria for debate, a starting ground, an offer of mutual understanding.
What’s interesting to me is that everyone of you has benefited from a social program at one time or another. Like medicare, social security, the va hospital system, federal loans, the road system, libraries, parks and beaches, public schools, the post office, power and water systems etc etc. All examples of social programs, all those programs would exist in the exact same capacity in a communist country. So in the end, you all are a bunch of commies. Pinko commies.
But kidding aside, you can’t realistically take those programs away, and if you can’t do that, then what Dean is saying is correct. The debate is over.
I agree that the debate between the two is over. No capitalist would ever be willing to accept Socialism. All socialists hate capitalism. I’d say he’s right and we simply “agree to disagree”. We are currently beyond debate and pretty much just fighting them off for a little while longer.
Sure Rextor you hypocrite. That’s why you liberals let those who work on dirt floor cross our borders ILLEAGALLYyY.
socialism + capitalism = fascism
Haha ha ha
Barack is a treasure. Suddendly one pan-african communist wins an election and every socialist in the world runs out and “buys” a Che hat and t-shirt.
This is like a fishing tournament. Catch, Tag and Release the socialist/communist so we all know who you are.
I knew when Frank Marshall Davis’ son won the election they would be coming out of the woodwork, but this is great.
Keep up the good work barry, soon all the comunist will self identify themselves.
Howard Dean is an incompetent DUMBASS who is confidently convinced that water is “dry”, grass is “pink”, and the sky is RED! His personal philosophies and opinions are ANTI-freedom, PRO-government, and 180-degrees-inside-out-ass-backwards of the truth and what’s right. The guy is an embarrassment to the United States, and a hero to socialism!
Why are they called progressives when their idea is to regress to the caveman days? Why is it called socialism when it so obviously is hurtful to societies? This man BHO is dangerous to Americans.
When will Dr. Dean,Congress and President Obama give us the reparations for 600 years of white-European oppression? We put them in to office, now give us what we deserve!
What a wonderful mouthpiece Howard Dean is for the democrats…let him keep on talking…just the fodder we need for the 2010 elections..we can play and replay all his assinine statements.
Time to reverse the course of the Ship of State folks..get busy 2010 is just around the corner.
Socialism, facism, communism are ALL the same bird with different shades of pink feathers; all are basically based on ARMED THEFT. All of them demand that YOU give up your God given FREEDOM and allow a group of ELITISTS IN POWER to force you to hand over what you earned and give it to them and be ‘thankful’ when they give you back enough to eat the swill that they won’t touch. Right now we still have the power to VOTE THE ELITISTS OUT OF OFFICE. But don’t wait because we eventually will lose the power to vote them out which is exactly what happened to the people in Venezuela who sat back and watched thug Chevez declare a change to their constitution that puts him in permanent power just like Castro. If that happens here then all that is left is our Second Amendment, the ultimate solution written by our wise founders. They used guns to win our freedom initially over 200 years ago but also realized that if the federal government ever stops OBEYING the Constitution and takes away our liberty in the future – guns may be needed again to win it BACK. The more of us who bear arms – the LESS likely it will be that these stinking elitists will risk trying to enslave us and flush our sovereignty down the toilet.
Howard Dean = MORON. Period
UN be lievable. No really it is so unbelievable that a US VP would say this, that it is not real or newsworthy and will not be covered by the major news networks. It did not really happe..in fact.
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“We have a permanent campaign”. That’s exactly right and that’s why the citizens are sick and tired of seeing Obama’s face on the TV everyday! Also, Biden said we have a mix of Capitalism and Communitarianism. The following is a quick explanation of communitarianism:
Central to the communitarian philosophy is the concept of positive rights, which are rights or guarantees to certain things. These may include state subsidized education, state-subsidized housing, a safe and clean environment, universal health care, and even the right to a job with the concomitant obligation of the government or individuals to provide one. To this end, communitarians generally support social security programs, public works programs, and laws limiting such things as pollution.
A common objection is that by providing such rights, communitarians violate the negative rights of the citizens; rights to not have something done for you. For example, taxation to pay for such programs as described above dispossesses individuals of property. Proponents of positive rights, by attributing the protection of negative rights to the society rather than the government, respond that individuals would not have any rights in the absence of societies—a central tenet of communitarianism—and thus have a personal responsibility to give something back to it. Some have viewed this as a negation of natural rights. However, what is or is not a “natural right” is a source of contention in modern politics, as well as historically; for example, whether or not universal health care, private property or protection from polluters can be considered a birthright.
Yep, that is exactly what this administration is trying to foist upon us without the mix of capitalism! Beware America!
Rexter December 1st, 2009 – 11:24 am
Tax payer dollars have always gone to the departments I named.They didn’t just start during wars.
You need to take to go back to school and take Civics and History.I can’t believe the degree of ignorance here.
Howard Dean has just admitted that he and his demo”rats” are socialists in disguise and proud of it. Equating Obama to Kennedy is a deep and troubling lie – Kennedy I knew and trusted; Obama I know and distrust. Kennedy was a Catholic – Obama is a chameleon of religious duplicity – Muslim or Islamic to his foreign cronies so he can bow to them all; Christian in the ilk of Jeremiah Wright (Wrong) or Madeline Murray Ohare (either hating in the name of his church or denying he ever belonged to the church; or he is the religious hypocrite of all religions and thus the Most Tolerant and Intolerant one. Dean and Obama – let’s vote them into retirement.
You ignorant hillbillies got pwn’d by AFK. Is being stupid kind of like being drunk all the time?
Capitalism is the unequal creation of wealth. Socialism is the equal redistribution of poverty.
His declaring means nothing…but the reason he is trying to declare it is because people are realizing the load of socialist dung that the far left republicans are trying to force down the throats of Americans.
Mr. Dean, we are on to you and the rest of your socialist freak show. Go away.
Does anyone need more proof that this guy is an IDIOT.
Howard is clearly out of touch, and off his meds.
ron paul was the only candidate to speak for this generation.
Both parties scare me. The neo-marxists on the left and the Jesus freaks on the right. What happened to level headed centrists?
Once in a while a Democrat (Communist) will step in front of microphones and accidentally say what is really on his/her mind. This party is, and for years has been, all in with communism. They have no problem with the historic reality that communism has never worked anywhere in the world where it’s been tried. They also don’t care that two of the greatest mass murderes in human history, Mao and Stalin, were communists who believed that it was OK, in fact crucial, to eliminate (murder) anyone who didn’t buy in. Communists/Socialists believe that government should make all decisions-including who lives and who dies. Do we really want these types of decisions in the hands of morons like Dean and Obama?
News flash-it will never happen in this country because you’ve got almost 200 million armed Americans who believe in the phrase “live free or die!” If they come for our guns there will be a second civil war. Fighting this kind of governmental tyranny is exactly what the second ammendment is all about. If that’s OK with you Mr. Dean, bring it on!
My they are certainly becoming emoldened. If given the choice between capitalism and socialism, I believe a vast majority choose capitalism. This is a good sign in that they think this country wants and voted for socialism. Let’s keep them talking on our terms. I want a to see a political commercial pose this question:
The choice is yours socialism or capitalism.
Another debate is over and I didn’t know it started? He doesn’t even have the honesty to call communitarianism by it’s real name, communism! Kick the Reds out before they takes us all down with them!
LOL Obi Wan… Darth Sipid would be more like it.
“The United States-history’s magnificent example of a country created by political theorists-has abandoned its own philosophy and is falling apart. As a nation, we are splintering into warring tribes which-only by the fading momentum of a civilized nation-are called “economic pressure groups,” at present. As opposition to our growing statism, we have nothing but futile “willayas” of the so-called “conservatives” who are fighting, not for any political principles, but only against the “liberals”.”
- Ayn Rand
This was written in 1962. However, it could have been written today. We have abandoned our founding principles, the idea that the federal government should be a small central government with very few powers, and the states, as sovereign entities, should be the primary source of government services for their people. We have, no doubt, descended into the mire of a “nanny state” government wherein the federal government is totally involved in our personal lives. Just the opposite of how our nation was envisioned by our Founders.
Mr Dean. Please let us unwashed, ignorant masses know what social or economic problem the government has actually solved? I think by now at least one issue would have been resolved but just cant think of any.
INDEED the debate is over democrats have declared that they are the enemy and proud of it.
I’m waiting for the first shots to be fired.
I am anxious and ready.
red states = red party. go back to mother russia.
Soooo, is this a glimpse of WHY Obama needs to raise up a Civilian Army as powerful as the standing U.S. Army? I asked myself: WHO is the ‘enemy’ this Obama powerful Civilian Army is to ‘protect us from?’ Today, perhaps, it is clearer; what THEY intend to DO TO US will require them to DISARM us and to suppress us using a powerful Obama Civilian Army! I am told that the ‘recruiting’ of this new Obama Civilian Army is underway; I only hope that some investigative media get hold of this story and runs with it. I am not scared; I see us SAVING our country from these thieves and tyrants, else, we shall surely be ‘ruled’ by them. I remember Michelle saying: “Obama is not going to allow you to return to your lives ‘as ususal.’ This is the ALARM! This is the CLARION call to true patriots -don’t you think!
This makes me feel sick
I’m just curious Mr. Dean.
What exactly are you going to do with all of us who will in no way live under a socialist society?
I wonder if these communists who have taken over our government have full time security.
We are preparing for reinstatement of the constitution. Be it by ballot or be it by bullet. You can believe this or hide your head. If I were you, I would prepare – because the socialist welfare supported section of society is at 47%. They will not go quietly in the night.
This’n sur gots me all rihled up. Ah don knows nuttin bout no socie…soco…soc…socolisms bud Ah surs am POd. Looket hows manys mah buddies rite in an complane bout dis here.
You have to admire the ignorance and arrogance of the extreme radicals that make up the modern Democratic Party. Capitalism will prevail as it does every place it is tried. I look forward to the impeachment of Obama and the indictment of liberals like Dean and other fascist for the many criminal acts. Fortunately for Howard, being a jask@$$ is not a crime.
HISTORY in the USA is full of socialism bailing out capitalism
@Rexter
> How’s that workin’ for you?
It’s working out really well. Things have never been cheaper. I’ve never been able to buy as much stuff as I can today. It’s great.
> No end to unemployment in sight.
The unemployment has nothing to do with Free Trade, but everything to do with being in a recession, caused by government regulation and misincentives.
> Let’s buy all our products from foreigners
Sure, if they are cheaper/better, I’d like that option, thank you very much. You don’t have to, but don’t prevent me from trading with whomever I want. Who’s really the fascist wanting to limit my personal choice?
> Why do you think the fascists that make up the round-table groups LOVE it????
I don’t know of any fascists that love Free Trade. I know fascists that despise it, like they despise all other kinds of freedom too.
> EVERY plan for “free trade” means MORE government.
Free Trade does not need a “plan”. It needs the absence of plans.
> How long since Clinton/Gore-Bush NAFTA?
NAFTA isn’t exactly Free Trade. It’s a heavily regulated trade agreement. Nothing free about it.
> It does when it throws your neighbor out of work
If my neighbor can’t compete with some other dude, he needs to find a new job or improve himself. I’m not his charity. Don’t force me to be, you fascist.
> Rationalization of greed.
Greed, for lack of a better word, is good.
> Sort of like how illegal aliens are “cheaper” too, right?
Right.
> absurd and unrealistic ASSUMPTIONS they have to make in order for their little utopia to work.
Your version of Utopia with protectionism and isolationism is practiced in mostly fascist states like North Korea, Sudan, Bangladesh, etc. Do you like to be in that company?
> look at places like California and particularly LA and how “rich” it has made them.
California has spent themselves into oblivion. That has not much to do with all the cheap services offered by immigrants, illegal or otherwise.
This turkey is a fruitcake. Remember yeeehhaaaaa? I thought he was a doctor by profession. He got a medical degree from the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in 1978. Albert Einstein College of Medicine??? Where, Hootervile? He then moved to Vermont and opened a medical practice with his wife. Dean was elected lieutenant-governor of Vermont in 1986. That tells you the success of his medical career. He’s been a slimeball democrat since. Can’t make it in the private sector. I can see where he might do well in socialized medicine. I wouldn’t want him for my doctor, though.
NOONAN -you scab. Only a knot-head would embroil JESUS in this rot mess. Get a life!
Who died and left this idiot in charge?
He can’t declare anything that makes any sense.
He apparently still has a very high – and overly inflated – opinion of himself!
Afk is wrong. I’ve never seen the need for any of those programs he cited. The
free market could do so much better and has done in the case of the post office especially.
Medicare-we wouldn’t need it if the government would get out of our faces and let us go back
to the old system where we paid reasonable prices for medicine. That would fix the whole healthcare
debate. It was only when the feds started getting involved in all aspects of insurance regulation,’
pharmaceuticals etc that the mess began. My parents used to have doctors come to them at their homes it was called a house call, remember those? No? That’s because of fed interference. Parks, Roads? Leave those up to the states and take the feds out of it. Libraries? Leave those up to the cities/counties. Loans? We wouldn’t need loans if the feds would just get out of the home mortgage business (remember Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?)
VA hospitals? Wow, the government has really done a great job on those eh?
Capitalism without interference from government works best. Let the free markets do their job & the
feds role could be reduced considerably. There is a small need for federal government but I know that
if the feds would just get out of the way the free market would take care of everyone’s needs. If you are a person who is pulling the cart that is, for those who want a free ride it would be tougher but that’s life. There is a role for government in the small percentage of the populace who are disabled, mentally ill etc… for the rest of the able-bodied the free market works best.
Like I said they are completely and utterly incompatible as they should be, I’m looking forward to the war that’s coming. When the lazy socialists can’t prop-up their corrupt constituients anymore with other people’s money there will be big trouble.
And since the government is bankrupt it isn’t going to be long. The world will only accept so much counterfeit currency from these fools.
a permanent campaign to influence policy – what happened to a bi-partisan attempt to solve problems – in other words we are in a continuous arguement – left against right, liberals against conservatives.
Capitalism WORKS – we have proved it works – there is capitalism and there is charity. Americans are the most charitable people in the entire world.
Dean like Obama – has no idea what makes this country great and they do not know anything about “we the people” of the United States of America. They are both so far left they have fallen off the cliff.
Wish these crazies would read the 10th Amendment. Oh wait — they probably already have. They just don’t want anyone else to. In the spirit of enlightenment, here you go. This is where we should be. This is a legit link from Forbes, guys. No worries. http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/28/constitution-federal-government-states-opinions-columnists-john-tamny.html
The debate is not over. I will not bend on capitalism vs. socialism. I am a staunch capitalist, and will be free trade until I die. When I die, I will stop debating. I know that others will be here to debate….The debate is never over.
Hey SunnyBlack, welcome to Libertarian thinking. We are happy to take any people who believe in individual liberty (something we’re trying to get the Repubs to do … but right now, both parties have their share of folks who want to run your life). In general, as Dr. Dean so skillfully points out … the liberals are much worse. But I always say that I have much in common with liberals such as Dr. Dean … we both want total control of my life. Remember, the Nazis were originally “The Progressive Socialists”. If the recent thought-crimes (aka hate crimes) bill, jail for not buying health insurance, cap and tax et al have not yet impressed you that we’re heading towards oppressive gov’t (and this is not just Lib bashing, the Patriot Act took a nice chunk out of our individual liberties), then you are just not paying attention.
‘A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.’ – George Washington
He’s right, but what his talking about is beyond the intellectual capacity of the average redneck.
Handle it.
DANIEL 7: 15-18
THE VISION IS EXPLAINED
I, Daniel, was troubled by all I had seen, and my visions terrified me. So I approached one of those standing beside the throne and asked him what it all meant. He explained it to me like this: “These four huge beasts represent four kingdoms that will arise from the earth. But in the end, the holy people of the Most High will be given the kingdom, and they will rule forever and ever.”
Dean’s right. The debate was settled by the Pilgrims in the 1600’s. They proved the Mayflower Compact (the first version of socialism) was a failure. Capitalism saved them!
At least now they admit they are Socialist.
And instead of destroying the wealthy upper & middle class claiming their destruction be necessary for the greater good, wouldn’t it be more logical to destroy the lower class poor, thereby leaving the remaining populace to be a productive one, instead of catering to the losers.
Dean has obviously been reading a few Eugenics books and shooting to increase the losers instead of raising the number of winners.
What is it about liberals which make them want to stay in the USA and change the way we live into a tried and true failing 3rd world nation? This country was founded on completely different principals than the rest of the world, we dont want socialism. Go to Europe liberals.
This whole power hungry crew of “communitarians” should be deported to communist countries, where they could try to convince the dictators that they should step down and allow them to run the country, because they were educated in “scientific” socialism at American ivy-league universities and so were much more qualified to be leaders. The sounds of the firing squads would be music to freedom loving ears around the world.
ah the permanent campaign…you’re wrong , Howard…Bill Clinton was in campaign mode till he boarded Air Force 1 for the last time…Obama is always in campaign mode,too… he says a lot…he promises a lot…he’s still blaming Bush-Cheney a lot…yet Barack’s accomplished ZERO in his first except to balloon the deficit up to the hilt for my great-great-great grandchildren
Thank Allah! They have finally come out of the closet and we can now call a spade a spade and a democrat a socialist/communist. So the Democrats admit that calling themselves Progressives IS a reflection of the 1920’s Progressives that we now know were socialists. (At least those of us that took history before 1965.)
Know the difference between a Socialist and a Communist? A communist is a socialist in a hurry. Same belief in any means to the same end. And they all share the same methodology as the Nazis… government owns and runs everything, including group think… aka political correctness.
I can’t wait until these communist bastards are voted OUT of office. I wish it were 2010 NOW.
Rexter-
Vladimir Lenin said, “First, confuse the language.” So I guess you need a vocabulary lesson.
GREED can be defined as wanting MORE than you have EARNED.
Capitalism is an economic system of individual liberty, private property rights, and Free Trade.
Free Trade (or Markets) means both parties to a trade enter into the contract VOLUNTARILY. That means YOU as a consumer are SOVEREIGN. GREED is controlled in a free market because you have the right to NOT purchase if the seller is too GREEDY or not to SELL if the buyer is too GREEDY. In a FREE MARKET one EARNS a profit by satisfying the needs of your fellow man in VOLUNTARY EXCHANGES. A PROFIT is a test of ECONOMIC EFFICIENCY, meaning you are able to VOLUNTARILY EXCHANGE a good or service for MORE than the cost of RESOURCES, creating a growth of capital or WEALTH.
Socialism is an economic system of Government ownership or control of property and trade.
In government controlled markets, contracts are enforced by government DECREE, and one or both parties are COERCED into the contract. That means the GOVERNMENT is SOVEREIGN and YOU are a SUBJECT. As transactions in this system are COERCED, GREED is NOT controlled because the government BUREAUCRAT answers to nobody, and I believe we all agree in the statement, “Absolute power CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY.” Contracts are won by who knows who or who pays the best BRIBE. In this system, there is NO ECONOMIC CALCULATION for the EFFICIENT USE of resources and NO growth of CAPITAL. That is why in EVERY case in history, SOCIALISM HAS FAILED! EVERYONE GETS POORER!
REXTER………wake up….CLASS DISMISSED
These people don’t even know what they are actually arguing about or they are just plain old being deceptive. It is corporatism that has failed this country has had very little capitalism. You can’t have capitalism with government intervention. This is how they monopolize and create corporatism. Something that they won’t even allow to exist cannot have failed.
He never had to say it.
Anyone who knows politics knows that the democrats are the socialist party of america.
Dean is actually right. However socialistic policies should be kept at a serious minimum. Think “social safety net” (unemployment benefits, limited welfare, probably a few other programs). Unfortunately that’s not what Dean has in mind.
rexter is nom de blogcomment of howard(yyyeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhwwwww)dean. Said person was ghostwritten by marx in das kapital and by adolph shicklegruber in mein kampf. fortunately most sane citizens have awakened, read the reviews and will vote accordingly. nice try rexter.
I’d like to bash Howard Dean’s skull open with a lead pipe.
Good grief, Howard has stopped taking his medication – again.
Perhaps when the health care bill is passed, he can afford to have a full time nurse attend to him.
Boy, I’ve got to agree with the majority of the comments here. The last thing that this country needs is any kind of socialism. Take me for example. I worked hard and now I am the CEO of a large health insurance company. Here we treat your health as a commodity and, since we are in it to make a profit, you had better pay us more than we pay you or we will drop you. We are really nice guys who are misunderstood.
Here is an example from the AP.
“A report being released Tuesday by the advocacy group Families USA finds that, on average, unemployed families who lose the COBRA subsidy will see their premiums increase from $389 per month to $1,111 per month, an amount that few long-term unemployed families will be able to afford, the group says. It finds that premiums of $1,111 would consume 83.4 percent of the average unemployment check, leaving little for food, housing, and other necessities. In nine states — Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Delaware, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina and Tennessee — COBRA costs would actually exceed unemployment benefits”.
Now at first glance you may feel that this is unfair, but it really isn’t from our point of view. I mean…why are these dead beats unemployed anyway? If their health is so important to them they will pony up, they can sell their house to pay medical expenses, or they can just drop dead if they get sick. At any rate, we don’t need any Socialist programs like health care reform to get in the way of profit margins.
Now if you will excuse me, I have to count my end-of-the-year bonus.
Ten million…
Fifteen million…
Twenty million…
No Mr. Dean,
Humans have a natural tenancy to be “charitable” – your communalism BS is simply a term to describe the government robbing Americans of their wealth to fund crack-pot schemes. If you thought humans had a natural tendency to be charitable, there would be no need for the government to be involved to begin with. You don’t think that, stop saying you do. BTW left to our own charitable selves, we’d be in a lot better shape now.
And to think this man was once a doctor who actually had patients who entrusted their lives and wellbeing to his care. At this stage in his career, his party is close to life-support. Doctor, heal yourself.
Howard Dean….. duh….. duh…..duh…… oh yeah…
aaaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeiuuuuuu!!!!
2010!!! start planning your party now.
Remember “Fast Times at Ridgemont High”?
As Mr. Hand said to his class: “What are you people, on dope?”
Socialism = everything for everyone results in nothing for anyone.
Socialism consumes wealth, does not create it.
“Creating Jobs” by Robin Hooding money through tax and spend policies of this administration is like trying to create electricity using an extension cord plugged in to itself.
Got it? What ever happened to Freedom and Liberty being the number one goal? This admin cares less about human rights and individual freedoms than any admin I have ever seen… It’s all about the handouts, and entitlements.
My final quote, and it is mine alone, “Democrats cash in peace dividends before they pay out.”
This is the worst part of this admin… un-doing all of the national security objectives that were done right in the last 8 – 16 years. We’re going down a dangerous road.
So now that the democRATs have come out of the closet about being socialists and communists………. am I still a crazy tin foil wearing extremist?
This Dean certainly got his degree out of a Cracker Jax box,he’s not wrapped tight.Multiculturalism is another word for BEND OVER.When these idiots lose their arguments, you are a racist. Pretty soon we will have the Biden twins in the White house.
Howard Dean is absolutely a nut case. American people that know what America is all about (Not speaking for all of these new immigrants and uneducated folks) will never accept the socialism of Mr. Dean, the Democrats, Barack Obama etc., NEVER! We oppose every stinking part of it, even the little inroads it has made since FDR. We need to abolish the Communist Progressive Income Tax doing away with the IRS gestapo troops and set up a National sales and consumption tax with no absolutely no exemptions for anyone! We need to change the entire health system and turn it ALL over to private enterprise with of course reasonable regulations and laws to protect the consumers, we need to get the Government entirely out of private enterprise business and I mean totally! Everything big Government touches turns to trash! It denegrates the human being, it oppresses the people, it takes away our freedoms, it is nothing more than a disease which needs to be stopped! Goverment has a “few” important items to engage itself in and they are named out specifically in the Constitution. It is time to have the Government quit breaking the highest law of the land and be brought to accountability on these issues! Mr. Obama has become now the biggest lawbreaker ever along with the Democratic leadership. Tell Mr. Dean to go and get a “real” job we don’t want to hear from him again!
We can laugh at Dean, but he is the Fratto of the liberals who surround Obama. These people will pour over statistics to justify controlling every aspect of your life. They are social engineers. They even believe that they can control the global temperature. They are dangerously naive idealists and must be defeated.
Healthcare is a scam to take control. Global warming is a scam to take control. I’m starting to question whether there was ever a real financial crisis too. They must be defeated. Dean is typical of them, not an oddity.
Tar & Feathers
I’m just so giddy that we’re going to be just like those basket cases in Europe!! I hope we’re more like the old East Germany myself! Happy days are here again…….
Obama II is not a Constitutiona NBC! Obama, the POS who wasn’t because he lacks legal authority.
Howard Dean is the one person that knew this and in my opinion both of them are tratiors of The Constitution.
Yes, it is ok to be Disrespectful of Obama and all Politicians. They Disrespect us, Call us Names, Divide us!Governments loathe people being free.
This man is disturbing on so many levels.
If Americans fail to literaly kick the Dems out we will be a 2nd rate nation in two years.
Socialist (read liberal dems) are the real threat to our freedom…time to kick ass.
Oh boy… I sure do wish Dr Dean were president… or maybe even vice president… what an “asset” we’d all have!! eeeiiiiiiiiiiiooooooo!!!!
I am soooo glad this retard, who I will bet did not study economics, has all these answers.
Shut up Dean. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Howards buying for eveeryone.
OPPS partys over Howard screwed it up for everyone!!!
Fark howard deen.
They’ve been saying this since Karx Marx.
As Vice President told “Panty Shields” Leahey on the Senate floor….Howard go fu-k yourself!
The arrogance of this boob is overwhelming. What is worse, however, is that there are actually people who believe what he says ! God, help us!
socialists are losers.
socialism is for losers
socialism is for loser humans who want everything free from muslim hussein obama
socialists are the loser humans who are too fat and lazy to work
socialists are those fat lazy humans who have no desire to contribute to society
socialists are those fat, lazy stupid, non ambitious idiots who need to be deported to iran and then nuked with all the iranian muslims who are ALL terrorists.
when hussein obama gets all the soldiers killed and then replaces them, there are 1.6 BILLION muslims to take the place of the fallen muzzballs to keep fighting till the very last muzzballo.
With these clowns, Gore and Dean, when they are losing the argument, they want to say the debate is over. matter of fact it is over for them!!!!!
Who’s he talking to with “Rouge” on the wall? A communist party meeting?
Howard Dean can go to hell the sooner the better.
Wow, what a bunch of ….hateful..christians we have here today.
Rexter’s main problem, besides being an obvious racist bigot and moron, is that his brain is stuck on conspiracy mode. So he shoots off his idiot drooling mouth based on insane conclusions that his diseased little mushy brain invented out of thin methane rich air.
Dean is a silly, odious little man. But he has a point — the debate is over.
Man-made global warming is a fraud, scam and a hoax, with only fudged and suppressed science to bring to any debate. Those still dreamin’ the dream and making money hand over fist on this fraud should do the perp walk.
Socialism is an abject failure, everywhere and any time it’s ever been tried. It is a formalized way to fleece the “people” while leaving the elite to feel superior. Debate over.
@Henry Zecher
“the helpless, needy, insane, etc., need to be taken care of, and can be by a wise government. Unfortunately, a wise government is something we will never have.”
You are correct that the helpless and needy of our society need to be taken care of.. but that should be done through charity of others which is the VOLUNTARY giving of one’s time, service, money, food, resources etc… NOT by any government WISE or what-not.. there is NO SUCH THING as a wise government. The government can NEVR give anything to anybody that it DID NOT TAKE FROM SOMEONE ELSE FIRST.
Never met a true liberal that was not hateful.
First LIBERAL to tell the truth.
And he needed to be in France to do so.
The only reason anyone declaresin the middle of a debate that the debate is over is that they realize that there is no possibility of winning the debate.
Gotta give Dean his props for being that smart.
It’s time to step and THROW out the politicians that are incrementally taken away our liberty and freedom to have power over us. I never ever thought our country would ever be on this road. I never ever thought anybody would WANT to be on this road. Man was I ever asleep. IT’ NOT TO LATE!!!!
Dean sucks!!!
This guy and all those Dems in our government along with thE Obama administration are all liars and deceivers. They deny what they are truly all about when it is pointed out BEFORE they get in power, then once in power they BOAST of being what they denied they were before. All these sons of bitches need to be run out of town.
So, finally! The head of the DNC takes off his mask. DEMOCRATS ARE COMMUNISTS! This really isn’t news to me.
This, coming from the former CHAIRMAN OF THE DNC. The American sense of community comes from the community, not from the government. The government is supposed to stay out of our lives…and out of our pockets. Socialism doesn’t work…it’s been proven over and over again. Are these people not aware of what is going on over seas, and what the “European Model” has produced? France has its young, socially dependent, rioting in the street every night, demanding more. The UK is going bust because their socialist programs are unsustainable. The list goes on. The United States has slowly moved in a socialist direction since FDR and our condition has slowly deteriorated to where we are today. I still struggle with the idea that many of my fellow Americans are foolish enough to follow these dolts, even in the face of reality, and even after these liars and theives have been exposed. If we don’t take sufficient political and peaceful action to remove these traitors and destroyers of liberty, I fear we are headed for violence.
Who’s Howard Dean?
Socialism is like an addictive drug. Once you start it, it’s almost impossible to get off of it. FDR introduced us to this drug and we’ve gone down hill ever since. At one time institutions, like the Church and other benevolent societies filled the gap but now the government has taken over that responsibility and we’ve all suffered as a result. Benevolent groups usually required the recipient to adhere to certain socially acceptable behavior; like sobering up, getting a job, being a good citizen, etc. etc., and they were limited in what they could contribute. But the government, on-the-other-hand, only cares if you meet minimum qualifications for a particular program [ie free breakfast and lunch at school] and could care less how you act. Now of course the evolution of socialism has seen it grow and expand [like drug use] to the point that now it is consuming everything because the government has “unlimited resources” in the form of taxes. And there is now no going back to a form of government that is totaly free of socialism. The only thing we can do at this point, I’m afraid, is slow it down or form a new government. I’m in favor of the latter myself. Oh may I also interject that Europe, Canada, South America, and the rest of the free world have been able to indulge themselves completely in socialism because we have born the financial burden of protecting them from communist take-over. And even without that responsibility they’re beginning to learn that socialism is unsustainable. With the world economy going down the tubes, the big question is, where will all this lead? Only God knows and He is ultimately in control.
As some one who actually lived under communism (cuba) and now I am a proud
hand-out hating American citizen, I have never been so scared that our country
is being run by constitution hating socialsts!!
Please Americans wake up!!! You have no idea, I DO!!
wink, wink
Obviously these comments are dominated by conservatives and moderate dems, not socialsits. Why do we have a socialists in office? The answer is that the left were sucessful at getting a segment of the voters not normally engaged in politics to cast theirs votes (you know what segment). So it’s important in 2010 to get out and vote.
This guy is starting to reveal what a despot he really is. Where is the need for this statement? Are the anti-statists in power? Is the boot of capitalism on the necks of the common man? No, that would be the socialists. The same socialists that are rapidly turning the USA in an impoverished backwater, controlling even the minutest aspects of each of our lives. How I loathe these petty tyrants, with their elitist attitudes. I want to hang each and every one of them.
…in effigy, of course.
I always look for the GOOD NEWS. The good news here is that no one will ever have to be “treated” by this totally mentally incompetent doctor again! Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Think what you want about the issues, but socialism does NOT equal communism (that is, they are not mutually exclusive), so please do not make that mistake in your arguments that no one will read.
The heads of the two major parties in this country speak volumes about why we find ourselves in the position we
are in as a country: Howard Dean is an idiot – Michael Steele is a wimp. They ARE the face of their respective
parties – The Idiots (Dems) and The Wimps (Repubs).
I agree with most of you on this, but we really need a better way to discuss this.
I think you will agree that Medicaid is a form of socialism, which I believe would be better to expand than to offer the bloated government progran now being suggested. But even though I dislike Dean, he has that correct: we have some socialist-like programs in our free market system. Thanks for listening.
Gee, the ice-floe these people are floating around on just keeps
getting smaller every day.
Don’t be late and miss a good seat for the end of this dark-comedy.
Howard Dean, what a wanker! He must have gone off his lithium.
Thank you, sir, for confirming our honestly held suspicions that Demoncrats are merely socialists
in disguise.
And if this moonbat Dean is a socialist, then Obamao is clearly a socialist times three.
This has been in the works for over 40 years. And both parties have bought into this. Dems are quicker to get there than the REPS. For the REPs it was a slight nudge. For the DEMS it was a push under the bus. More obvious under the DEMS. We were warned about this back in the early 60’s. And we were told it would be from within. So I don’t know why everyone is all excited about this. IF you want to turn it around, and it is not to late, vote in someone who has ethics and is not a politician. The rich and famous have been at the helm too long. Get someone in who would run the Government like they would run their own household budget.
Barney Frank has had more balls hit him in the chin than Yogi Berra !
Sebenza, don’t blame “Christians.” You know not what you speak.
Another empty suit, working for his master, George Soros, and his ilk. What he sys doesn’t count, the less said about it the better – there is notthing to be learned from his insights. The guy sold his party to the highest bidder, and he was then told to shut up and let the businessmen do the talking.A more anti-American human being you could not find, worse than Bin-Laden – after all Dante put traitors in the last circle of hell. Bin-Laden openly attacked us, Dean sold out his country from the inside.
Please, someone commit this guy!!! He belongs in the psych wing.
Mally, what made you say “hateful Christians”. I saw only one Christian reference and it had no hate in it. Dr. Dean considers himself a Christian. Just like most liberals, he is a Pro Abortion, pro Gary Marriage, anti Christian expression Christian … but he considers himself a Christian. Some on this forum hate Dr. Dean and other libs, and some just completely disagree with their policies. Are we hateful for disagreeing? Is resistance futile? Did you love GWB’s policies (I did not … but things have only gotten worse). If so, are you a nonChristian hater? I think if you are going to group all people who dislike Dean as Christians … I believe you are following the lead of another great world leader:
“The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belong to one category” Adolf Hitler
Mark Z – Nothing this man says should be ignored.
He is the only one speaking the truth and those of us who are grateful to be Americans better learn about the strategies he has divulged and start playing of the same full time campaign field.
I agree with you he is an idiot. But and evil, conniving idiot head of the DNC. Listen, learn, and resist. Fight back against this evil hoard.
Beyond OUTRAGE! Yes the debate is over, the radical socialist democrats will lose everything come 2010 and again in 2012. Never again.
It is really sad that the ruling majority of this great nation is lead by a pack of fools (Obama, Reid, Pelosi,
Murtha, Frank, Dodd, etc.)! What does this say about Democractic voters? The other fools are those who sit
idly by thinking there will be a bright moment of clarity and the idiots will vote the fools out. Won’t happen.
They are the recipients of the “Obama money” and will continue to re-elect the same fools time and again to get
the check. We will be so far in debt to the rest of world by the time clarity comes that there will be no way
out. Forget your property rights, you have none.
Oh, BTW, I’m getting real tired of these weasel liberals who whine that “communism isn’t
socialism.” Of course it is. Maybe it would be more accurate to claim that socialism,
national socialism (fascism), communism, and every permutation thereof is a form of
political “collectivism”, but the Democrat Party’s embrace of big government is little different than
the Nazi’s (National SOCIALISTIC German Worker’s Party, btw) view of government vs. the little
people which in turn is little different than the former Sov-Com system or even the Chi-Com way
of running people’s lives because arrogant elitists (like liberal Democrats) ultimately believe
they know what’s best for the peons – including the middle-class! And it’s no accident that the
Sov-Coms, Chi-Coms (who have recently made their markets a little freer, btw), Nazis and the
AmeriKan Democrats ALL despise free market capitalism. Birds of a feather and all that … Doh!
The marriage of Socialism.. and Capitalism?? It has been done. Benito did it…and named it ‘FASCISM’!!!
Socialists will tolerate just enough capitalism to fund them so they don’t have to work themselves. Skrew that.
I am hoping that the American people are waking up to where these Democrats and some Republicans want to take our country. Our public schools and mainstream media over the last several decades have “dumbed down” our country where many don’t even realize that we have been marching toward socialism for a long time. Socialism is a gradual thing like cancer…slowly it just takes over, isn’t easily cured, and sadly, changes you life forever…if you are fortunate to survive it.
I truly hope that the American people continue to put pressure on our Congress to stop the Democrats’ Health Care Reform and the redistribution of our country’s wealth through Cap and Trade. Obama needs these passed while he has the majorities knowing full well that may not have the opportunity again. They hope that people will eventually just give up. We can’t let that happen! Vote them out in 2010!!!
Funny, Mr. Scream’s I thought the debate between capitalism and socialism was over when they tore the wall down in Germany. You know the wall, the one that kept the socialist in under penalty of death and kept them from being corrupted by the evil capitalist
Socialism lost the debate the day the Berlin Wall came down. It has never succedded when left on it’s own.
Dear Howard,
The American people have fought hard for centuries for their freedom. It’s now ingrained in our DNA. Even an idiot like you should understand what will happen if people like you try to take our freedom away.
We The People.
Karl Marx was wrong in the 1800’s and he is wrong today. Howard Dean is proof positive that even some morons can get through medical school. Obama is an enemy of our country and should be kicked out of office on his skinny butt.
Howard Dean sez: “We are going to have both.”
No, Howard – if left to Socialist like you to screw things up, we will have neither.
Socialism is a parasite that feeds on its host, Capitalism, and when the parasite kills its host, the parasite dies too.
Don’t tread on me, Howard Dean, you Socialist parasite!
Sadly the younger generations think socialism is the right thing but its only because its forced down their throats by idiots like Dean (yee-haw) and Hollywood (people thriving from capitalism but against it?!?)and liberal teachers who apparently are teaching kids more about Che and Mao that Algebra.
The younger generations don’t think about the big picture with any issue its always absolutes like abortion is always ok no matter what circumstance, ALL CEO’s are evil no matter who they are, all Southerners are uneducated and racicst etc. It is impossible for a group of people to have a realistic viewpoint on politics when they haven’t even lived in the real world.The Democraps use them though
encourage all Americans to work and earn their way and help them do that, that is the only way to thrive as a society, not giving people things that other people work for, that encourages people to do nothing.
Its easy for the kids to shout “injustice” and tell the world how other people need to live but ask any college student to donate even the smallest peice of property they own to someone they don’t know and they will say “Hell no thats my sweater!”.
Dean is a nutcase. Obama is no Kennedy. Kennedy was more to the right of some Republicans today. Obama and minions have slipped so far to the left that they are striving for European Socialism. We left Europe to become our own country. One only needs to look at how good we have it here compared to Europe. Let’s not go there.
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Democrats: THIS guy is the head of your party??
Republicans: how embarrassing, to find yourselves virtually tied 50/50 with THIS.
Wake up. Wake up from the lie.
For those who try to say that Medicaid is socialism, and that Medicaid is good, you are sadly mistaken. I suggest that you go back for your GED, and perhaps eventually take a course or two at a community college that grades pass/fail. Medicaid is simply a FORCED CHARITY. There is NOTHING required from those that wish to claim its benefits, other than proof of a lack of income. Simply put, socialism is an overall system of public economy, which espouses public ownership and management of the means of production, along with the public distribution of the benefits of that society. Medicaid is clearly charity, NOT socialism.
I like Howie. He looks so normal. Not like those freaks in Congress (Pelosi) and the Senate (Harry “I’m not Gay, REALLY!” Reed). I mean he went to medical school, looks like someone’s dad. You wouldn’t think he is an alien from Mars. Who else then an alien would call for its own destruction. I mean who benefited more than Howie from Capitalism. On what planet can you call for the destruction of the one system that you benefited the most from and now you declare it optional? He must be an alien!
Capitalism and Socialism?
Capitalism works, Socialism doesn’t.
The closer you get to a Socialist type society, the closer you get towards a total failure and breakdown in society.
The only people that benefit from a Socialist society are the Socialist’s.
That’s why National Socialist Democrat Party is pushing this.
welcome to One World Government!!!!
the progressives in america and europe have been plotting for years america was always the problem until we elected them!!!!!!!
now flying under the guise of “green” it is all the same fascism.
remember never waste a good crisis – next crisis coming up weak dollar, o% interest fed, other countries buying gold – gold up, insane out of control spending by admin. recipe for the “asset bubble” bye bye dollar welcome much lower standard of living and one world currency.
these people are so arrogant and presumptuous they know what is good for us all…………..please please Howard I know you won’t but please get your head out of your a** feel the cooling nature of the earth.
Progressivism = Totalitarianism
Sonny Black, big ups to you for your perceptivity and realizing intelligence.
Frank, yes, you are correct. While I won’t do it, the proper thing to do with Mr. Dean would involve public and very messy immolation.
A marxist hack with big dreams. Dream on nitwit.
Socialism rewards lazy irresponsible behavior and punishes responsible hardworking people.
Does this guy think by catering to the lazy mooching liberals/democrats he can justify himself?
Nobody has a right to stake a claim on what somebody else has gone out and done for themselves because they simply “need it”.
These politicians will do anything to increase our dependency on the government while we hand over our freedoms to them.
The debate is over because Socialism CAN’T work.
Without the incentives for being rewarded for hardwork and being responsible who will?
The government doesn’t produce, it only gets in the way and takes from others.
When there is no incentive to make money who will?.
Conservatives want to be free and have the choice of what they want to make of their life, but the
Liberal needs to mooch off of the Conservative, like a cancer, slowly destroying this country.
Freedom is taking responsibility for yourself.
Don’t look for handouts from the government as the strings attached are the loss of
our freedoms.
I’m ashamed to say I live on the same planet as you, let alone town.
Get a real job and do something useful for once with your life Howard you sniffling mooching bureaucrat!
Chris Scoville
Burlington Vermont
Marxism is the espousal of the Hegelian dialectic which is: thesis (capitalism); antithesis (communism); then a marriage of the two known in the Hegelian dialectic as synthesis (the new world order). Nice to know the Marxist plan is being followed by the friendly politicos. By both the demopubs and the republicrats. The nostate project marcstevens.net
Tailgunner Joe was correct after all. I guess that’s why he had to be taken down.
Dean just admitted that Obama is a socialist.
Actually, though, Obama is communist and Dean is a communist. See the proof:
Obama – http://www.commieblaster.com/obama/index.html
Dean – http://www.commieblaster.com/misinformation/media.html (scroll down to find Dean)
And do I believe government is totally inept? No, I don’t buy into that canard that
liberals float in order to advance their Big Government/Big Brother agenda. I do believer, however,
that any government is always sufficiently inept and run by enough bean-counting bureaucrats
that they should never be trusted with my healthcare or a nation’s economy. That’s for
free men/women and free markets to decide. And if liberals keep whining about those who “fall
through the cracks” of truly free society’s then I ask why they aren’t doing more themselves
by offering their own homes to the homeless, or buying groceries for the neighbor in need, or paying
the insurance premiums of a friend who cannot afford their own health insurance. My God, on average
American liberals are in the top 3% of the wealthiest people in the world. And I’m not talking
just about millionaires, I’m talking about these puking, whining members of the cult of perpetual
grievances who make $50K to $120K a year. If they can’t “afford” to help someone they claim they
have compassion for, then they are worse than worthless. I’m getting tired of self-righteous
liberals defining their compassion by how much they can empower a nanny government to levy ever
higher levels of confiscatory taxes in order the enlarge their welfare plantation which often
makes the recepients of such largesse voting slaves of the Demoncrap Party. Now where’s the
morality in that kind of “compassion” – there is none. It’s all for show when liberals become
political opportunists who exploit the plight of the poor for their own political machinations when
they themselves don’t exercise a meaningful level of personal charity to help their fellow man.
I speak as a conservative who walks the talk in helping the poor and donating my time and money to
private causes which help the poor and hungry. Google “Conservatives more compassionate than
Liberals” – conservatives give more time, blood and money to truly charitable causes. The guy who authored the study is a Democrat and in subsequent interviews admitted that he had hoped by publishing the study it would shame liberals into giving more of their own personal
resources instead of looking to government to do their job of personal charity.
This absolutely kills me. I served a decade in the U.S. military fighting for this country. My father fought communists, and my
grandfather and great uncles fought the Nazis… How ironic is it that after a hundred years of Americans dying to keep the ideals
that we believe in we are now having them forced on us by our OWN GOVERNMENT! I was never given anything in my life. I didn’t inherit
money or have a silver spoon in my mouth as a kid. I specifically remember walking up and down the road with my mother picking up cans
while dad was deployed because the military pay in the late 70s didn’t quite cover what a family of 4 needed. Now, after working my
ever loving butt off, I am increasingly being forced to give more and more and more to the lazy turds who chose to sit on their couch
and play nintendo. I’m sorry folks but the America that I believe in says that you have every right in the world to do nothing with
your life. You have every right to sit around getting drunk daily, being unemployed, talking however you want, wearing your pants to your
ankles, and acting like idiots. In a weird way I somewhat admire people who genuinely can be happy with less. I simply did not want
to stay in the trailor park (where I spent many years) and I used the military as a means to get my education. So, for those of you
who chose the other way congratulations. You’ve gotten much more sleep than I have over the last 20 years and you had that right. Now
you have the right to deal with the consequences of your lack of actions. It IS NOT my responsibility to give you 50% of my income.
I do not feel sorry for you… Dingbat Dean says we all want to be a part of a community, but I don’t want you living in MY community.
If, now that your middle aged, you are realizing that you screwed up I don’t care. That’s life. Pick up the pieces and get a job… Stop
trying to drive a mercedes on $15 an hour and try planning ahead. If this doesn’t work for you there is always Mexico. Hi five the hard
workers you pass on your way in and ask for directions to Mexico City. Stop bumming off of those of us who actually tried.
the notion of the government taking over any large entitlement is flawed for 3 major reasons. first, adding beaurocracy cannot cut cost. that’s common sense. second, when they tax us and redirect it, only a small portion of our money ever gets to where it needs to go, no matter how worthy the ideal. third, the waste and corruption is absolutely enormous. that goes for medicare, medicaide, welfare, etc, etc. our legislators want to take more and more when they’re not being good stewards of the monies they already take from us. then we get congressmen who say we need another tax to pay for the war in afghan, which is ridiculous. wars are one of the basic costs that our already high taxes should be going toward, not all of this other BS. why doesn’t carl levin propose that all waste and corruption be addressed first? the reason he won’t is that he doesn’t want to do the job he’s elected to do. Remember the last time that the people felt that they were burdened with taxation without representation? and it’s not just congress. how can holder rule that acorn can receive federal monies? he is a thief and so is obama. they are going to kill the economy with their spending. the chinese told obama that last month.
The debate has been over for 100 years, Socialism has not worked anywhre. Most of us already know this…
I agree with almost every comment on this except for the few ACORN nut Liberals who want to defend Dean.
I would hope that, (in the next election we make sure we vote in someone who isn’t involved in the Masonic Lodge or any other secret society.) And this next time let’s make sure they are a real Natural born Citizen of the United States, before we vote.
Obama is a fake, a liar, and a Traitor = FAIL
Here’s a shout out to Obama, Hey, we vote no on all your Tax increases! We don’t care if you call it Global warming tax or Cap & Trade tax, we vote NO!!
In Paris in April of 2009 Howard Dean delivered the great speech extolling the truthiness of communitarianism. Apparently somebody in the George Washington University Sociology department recognized in the 1980’s that socialism, as an ideal, was long past its sell-by date. Just like the butcher that repacks old meat in a new wrapper, socialism has now been dressed up as communitarianism. George Orwell would be proud.
One must suppose that on his bus ride out of Iowa a few years ago, old Howard found a pamphlet in the loo written by the ideology plagiarizer Amitai Etzioni. The estate of Comrade Karl Marx must be incensed that Mr. Etzioni took off the red dust jacket from Mr. Marx’s book and colored it pink in time to catch the eye of the physician cum commissar. Or, is it communitariasar. Actually, I think the proper term would be communitariasaur to properly reflect the extinct ideas being repackaged here.
Thank you, Howard, for reminding us that originality is not a requirement for senior political leadership.
Lazy Jack
If y’all hate socialism so much, don’t use the US Mail, keep your kids out of schools and don’t accept social security, medicare. To those who hate the government. The goverment is you. You hate yourself.
The “Permanent Campaign” not only for elections, but to influence policy eh? How about a one word translation – Propaganda
Name me a great Socialist Country that got great through Socialist policies???? Remember, China is now a Capitalist economic system. America became great only under Capitalism, more Socialism = worse economy.
Howard the moron! Vermont still hasn’t recovered but it will soon.
It’s amazing that these libtards get louder and louder as the whole world learns the truth about their lies and scams. Just to hear Gibbs say the other day that ‘the science is settled and all the scientists agree that it’s happening’ on global warming just as they are being discovered as being liars, cheats, fabricators and vengeful remnants of the dark ages leaves a person darn near speechless.
These libtards are going down with the ship by themselves and good riddance. I look forward to the freedom the world will enjoy when they are gone forever.
“I can’t tell you how many young people have come up to me and said, ‘My dad is Asian, my mom is white, and my friends are all different people, and we just don’t discuss any of that because we don’t care.’ I find that impossible to believe…”
So do I, Howie, so do I. If, as they claim (or as you claim they claim), they just don’t discuss it, why are the coming up to you–in numbers too great to tell–and discussing it with you?
Dean is either an idiot or a liar, or, more likely, both if he thinks any sane person with an IQ above room temperature if falling for this bullshit.
I’m pretty sure the English took Jersey from the Swedes and New Amsterdam from the Dutch Louisiana from the French and Florida from Spain. That’s when our fracking multiculturalism began you idjit. And what generation exactly is Obama representing? He’s two years younger than I am and he ain’t got my back.
I am straining to try to understand this. So Mr. Dean believes that only government can effectively create and sustain the bonds of community? On the contrary, look at where we are now, IF anything, government divides the bonds and loyalties of real communities. Either this guy is more wacko than I thought or he’s lived in a seashell his entire life.
Famous last words:
AAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Dean should immigrate to the land of midgets, mental and physical.
I(f we ever REALLY tried it their way, thew socialist way, we, like every other country that has ever gone totally socialist, would be dead in a matter of years. They’ve only been in “total power” less than a year and look at the damage they have done.
And except for the very early years, we’ve never gone totally capitalist either because they’ve put so many rules and regulations out there, you can’t do it.
And by “they”, I mean the business idiots in power that have never run a company (like hobama, reid and pelosi), yet they’re telling businesses how they should run themselves!!!
Dead, yeah, right. More like they put it on life support a long time ago.
BTW Tim, Conservatives don’t ‘hate government’. We object to the huge, overarching Federal bureaucracy that infiltrates EVERY aspect of our lives and confiscates up to 90% of our income. Then subjects us to a ‘Permanent Campaign’ to tell us why it’s the right thng to do. There is not one Federal entitlement program that is financially solvent – not one.
Tim said: US Mail = Socialism. You are a genius. Social Security is going bankrupt very soon – A private system would have been MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH Better Genius.
Argentina was the 2nd most powerful economy in the early 20th century. Until the Socialists took over.
Well, folks, lots of posts today and lots of smack-dab comments. Dr. Dean is a fool, chump. Capitalism isn’t the enemy – failure to control it is the problem. People seem to get complacent when they get comfortable. Maybe our opportunity has ridden in with people like this. We don’t need Dean or Chavez or this other guy in the big chair. We need to get back to work on our problems and repair the wagon before the wheels come all the way off. That’s what I hear from Glenn Beck and he’s right. Thank you.
One place Multicultural doesn’t exist is Deans all White Vermont.
He is nothing but a LARGE POMPUS A$$…….
In case you were wondering…I am a Socialist, too.
Socialism works perfectly – - – Look at California.
Straightshooter……and there is no government program that has run under budget.
To Tim above. Yes, I HATE socialism. I don’t ever use the U.S. Mail… Why would anyone use the U.S. Mail? My daughter goes to a private
school which I pay for, and SS will be broke before I am old enough to recieve it.
Go me.
Seems to me another Dumbocrat declared the debate about AGW was over, too.
Well, Gore may have been right after all. With “climategate”, it looks like the debate IS over, as we now see that AGW was “proved” via manipulated data.
So Dr. Dean doesn’t really have much to look forward to, does he?
Would someone please give Dean his meds and put him back in his room?! Better yet, give that boy a lowfat vanilla vodka valium latte!!
Tim (1:51 PM). It is interesting that you point out 4 systems that are failing or second rate to those in the private sector. Private schools score better, UPS and Fed Ex blow away the USPS, Social Security is in the red untold billions, and the medicare is a health care system of last resort. What made America great is freedom, the private sector, and a government with its hands tied by the founders. We are losing all 3 and need to wake up to it before it is to late.
Who is John Galt?
I believe Mr.Dean should run for president. He currently is speaking with the utmost clarity and conviction regarding this debate. Mr. Obama cannot compare with Mr. Dean in intellectual capacity to convey obvious truths.
I used to be a Democrat. Then the party went off the cliff. It was not where I wanted to be, in the valley of hate. I am a logical person, not an emotional wreck. I love freedom, we are rapidly loosing it.
Is Michael Moore is carrying Howard Deans socialist baby? Rumor has it, Michael and Howie expect sextuplets (see Mikeys Cuba visit/fertility clinic) and will replace John and Kate as the new queens of crapality TV.
We’ve had the worst of both worlds since Reagan was elected. All the rampant abuses and thievery of
unfettered Capitalism combined with the tax burden of Socialism to satisfy the bottomless funding
demands of our bloated and redundant government entities. We’re so far down the crapper now that
it really doesn’t matter who we elect any more. Meanwhile China waits patiently.
At least in real Socialist countries you get something in return for them taking all your money,
even if it isn’t much. Most of us don’t get diddly for it here in the good old USA.
Mr. Dean has spent entirely too much time, as a Dentist, inhaling NO2 (Nitrous Oxide – Laughing Gas) and it has apparently affected him.
Capitalist Communitarianism. It makes perfect sense to me. Voluntary Communism enforced by a corporatist state. Freedom comes from knowing the historical truth and voluntarily submitting to necessity. Resistance is futile.
Führer befiehl, wir folgen Dir!
Scream’n Dean needs to be locked up in a paded room. I don’t think JFK wanted any kind of socialism
There is absolutely nothing wrong with anything he says. He’s dead on. It blows my mind that drudge/breitbart listeners can be so stupid as to find something deeply wrong with that. We’ve always been a mixed economy. Not pure capitalism. Your first day in econ 101 will teach you that.
What a dopey, commie dude!
one-eyed-man….if you really feel that way then the door is always open for you to leave. We don’t need anyone in this country that doesn’t want to be here.
Never in my 72 years did I dream socialism and the likes would even be discussed in the country of ours!!Of course with the leadership you people voted in, what could I expect.
Mally December 1st, 2009 – 12:52 pm
Wow, what a bunch of ….hateful..christians we have here today.
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Don’t assume something like that. Not all conservatives are christian. Besides, even if people came out and said, “I’m a christian and I want this man to go to hell.” Wouldn’t that just be a contradicting statement and disprove their first claim? I’m disappointed as well that we see more insulting and less praying.
Howard Dean is right on one point. The debate is over and has been since the great depression. American is capitalist in name only, which is a shame. We need government, but it has spread its greedy hands over everything. Pure social Darwinism, on the other hand, is filled with just as much problems as socialism or communism. The problem is human nature and our propensity for greed. It doesn’t matter what economic or government structure we use, there will be people who abuse the system. People who abused capitalism like the oil barons, people who abuse communism like the elites of the USSR, and people who abuse socialism like the rumored ‘welfare royalty’ or politicians who buy votes by funneling money to specific programs like the recent Louisiana issue with the health care bill.
Still, one hopes for the best. Maybe America won’t go bankrupt from the massive spending, the dollar won’t become as valuable as a peso or a yen, and we can live in happy bliss with job security and bountiful wages. But I doubt it.
“You can’t get something without sacrificing something first.”
Tim said “If y’all hate socialism so much, don’t use the US Mail, keep your kids out of schools and don’t accept social security, medicare. To those who hate the government. The goverment is you. You hate yourself.”
Tim is an idiot.
Capitalism? We have capitalism in this country? No. This country is in corporatism a form of fascism. Why do you all think the big bankers and motor companies were bailed out when the financial crisis hit but none of the small guys got bailed out. No individual received direct subsidies from the government but big corporations did. Did that money actually go to the employees. No. It went directly to pay for big bonuses of the executives. Anyone remember AIG. What about the loan JPMorgan got from the Federal Reserve to buy up more assets. Think about it, in this country more socialism really means more corporatism. No money for us small guys. All our taxes will go to the big corporations and their executives. Just think about what is actually going on in this country right now – think long and hard enough and you’ll figure it out. Search for the DNA database on Google that the government has tried to create and the microchipping of people that is already being tested out in some. Just think.
The stupid leading the blind….
The system of government that allows the people to keep the fruits of their labor is the fairest and best system of government. The system of government that pillages one group so that another group doesn’t have to work is inherently evil. It is slavery all over again.
We have not had true free market capitalism in anyone’s life time who is currently alive. The last time we did the year was 1912. A year before the Federal Reserve came into existence. From about 1840-1910 this country went through the industrial revolution and we reached the pinnacle of the world in terms of production and wealth. Since then the world has slowly caught up because we abandoned capitalism. Its all over, we will never again have a true free market and true wealth and prosperity throughout the nation.
HOWARD DEAN, “YOU SUCK”
There is no such thing as a mixed economy. Capitalism and socialism are polar opposites and can not co-exist. America has already been a welfare state for quite some time which is the 1st degree of socialism. Controlling capital resources is the 2nd degree which we are well in the midst of (GM, Citi, etc). The problem with all this, of course, is the only way socialism can work is if everyone agrees on how resources should be distributed within society. Obviously this is something people will never agree on (nor should they be made to), so the only way to make socialism “work” is through government coercion by force. Government coercion by force brings us to a 3rd and final degree of socialism called Totalitarianism. Are we going to have to fight a 3rd World War in order to get the message across that WILL WILL NOT ACCEPT TOTALITARIAN RULE!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????
Dean is so stupid, he married a jew…
Howard Dean is one of the validating reasons that the Founders established the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution as an Individual and collective right.
Any chance he was talking about 100% capitalism and 0% socialism? No?
his comment is not a big deal, we would have been better off with Dean running for president than Kerry back in 2004
he says that capitalism is accepted, but we also have a government or public sector, that at present makes up 33 percent of the economy, and the debate is between those who want to take that up to 40 percent (ie cap and trade, health care reform) and those whose want to take it down to 25 percent (privatize social security)
I think leave it at 33 is best, but overall this is a debate about the shape of capitalism. Dean is more pragmatic than Obama, who I do think is more like a 50 percent kind of person, which would be a socialist oriented society that I do not agree with
I am a trader. I earn what I get in trade for what I produce. I ask for nothing more or nothing less than what I earn. That is justice. I don’t force anyone to trade with me; I only trade for mutual benefit. Force is the great evil that has no place in a rational world. One may never force another human to act against his/her judgment. If you deny a man’s right to Reason, you must also deny your right to your own judgment.
Why is it moral to serve others, but not yourself? If enjoyment is a value, why is it moral when experienced by others, but not by you? Why is it immoral to produce something of value and keep it for yourself, when it is moral for others who haven’t earned it to accept it? If it’s virtuous to give, isn’t it then selfish to take?
Your acceptance of the code of selflessness has made you fear the man who has a dollar less than you because it makes you feel that that dollar is rightfully his. You hate the man with a dollar more than you because the dollar he’s keeping is rightfully yours. Your code has made it impossible to know when to give and when to grab.
Is it ever proper to help another man? No, if he demands it as his right or as a duty that you owe him. Yes, if it’s your own free choice based on your judgment of the value of that person and his struggle. This country wasn’t built by men who sought handouts. In its brilliant youth, this country showed the rest of the world what greatness was possible to Man and what happiness is possible on Earth.
Then it began apologizing for its greatness and began giving away its wealth, feeling guilty for having produced more than its neighbors.
Your destroyers hold you by means of your endurance, your generosity, your innocence, and your love. Don’t sacrifice the world to those who will take away your happiness for it.
Any compromise between good and evil only hurts the good and helps the evil.
I swear by my Life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man,
nor ask another man to live for the sake of mine.
Dean is right. the debate is over. Capitalism has won. Now we are going to kick the socialist pigs out of office in 2010 and 2012 and get on with saving our country.
Right, John, we abandoned free capitalism in 1910. I mean…what’s not to like. Let’s see…child labor, no holidays, no insurance, work until you drop, do what the boss says–or else, buy from the company store–or else, live in squalor…yup! Those were the days!
Seriously… this whack job needs to be hauled off in the white van. What kind of moron looks at the world and rejects Capitalism.. the system that has given mankind every single luxury that it currently enjoys.
Howard I think it’s time you do the world a favor and realize your own impotence.
Bring it you little B I O T C H. You will H A N G first.
Dean is nutz! along with his canidate obama who wants to control every human in America.
Is it just me? Can’t you see? The Emperor has no clothes on!
Communism, socialism, fascism, liberalism, whatever-ism… they’re all the same-
Tyranny.
One of the problems in this country, is there are toooo many dodah’s!!!!!
Do da Gov check come today or do da gov check come tomorrow?
Strange Howard only says this when he’s out of the country. I’m use he feels that way as he is clearly a socialist. So why doesn’t say these things here in the US? Like while he was running for president? Barry feels the same way but he didn’t mention it during his campaign either.
Those Funny Socialist Democrats!
“We’re going to have both.”
There is a name for that, Howard. It’s called fascism.
If God agreed with socialism He would not have added the 10th commandment – Thou shall not covet. That’s all socialism is – the desire of the not so fortunate to grab the wealth of the more fortunate.
PhotoPhritz said:
“DEAR ANDY, WHAT HOLE DO YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD IN??
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT IN A SCIENTIFIC FIELD, OTHERWISE YOU’D KNOW THE FACTS:
Relativity – the science is settled
Quantum mechanics – the science is settled
Global warming – a theory being debunked w/ the latest release of “spin doctoring” emails by “those” warming scientists
… check your latest news releases
PS My Advanced Degrees are in Physics & Engineering”
Luckily my head is not in the same hole that your head is in. I would also be asking for you tuition back.
Scientific theories are all falsifiable. They are meant to be tested by new variables ad infinitum.
Relativity is a theory even though it can’t predict gravitational effects on the subatomic level. The inverse is true with quantum mechanics. I’m glad that you learned properly that the big bang is and always will be a theory.
As far as ‘global warming’ and ‘capitalism vs. socialism’ is concerned, I was only quoting Gore and Dean to underline their stupidity and arrogance.
Why are you the only person to post a comment in reaction to my comment, that did’nt understand that? Dare I ask what university you attended? Never ever assume that your audience is dumber than you are.
Well? How’s that CHANGE (if by CHANGE you mean turning the US into a second tier country) working out for us, now? HOPE you like it. Seems Howie and his clones are pretty happy with it.
Socialism won’t work. It has never worked, yet these elitist fools think that THEY have the answers to making it work.
Why is it that Socilaism has to be forced upon people in order to make it “work”? Why are Europe and China moving away from Socialism toward Capitalism?
What a mess the country has gotten itself into! But, that was the plan all along, wasn’t it?
Ben Franklin, in response to a question from a woman on the street after the Constitutional Convention about what kind of government they’d given her:
“A Republic, madam, if you can keep it.”
Sorry, Ben. We didn’t.
Socialists are tyrants. How else can you describe someone who uses government force to make people do things they dont want to do? Progressives are playing with fire and dont realize it. Do they think America is immune to violent political turmoil?
INGSOC
Our leaders tell us outsourcing our jobs will create jobs; yes, for the foreign countries and corporate CEOs. Then they tell us Free Trade is good for our economy, while even more US jobs dry up because of it. They say the weak dollar will allow for more US exports … sorry, the week dollar must be in par with 3rd World wages for this to work, which means we will ALL be working for $5 dollars per day to compete with 3rd World wages.
They tell us the Americans consume too many resources, while they increased our population by 100 million in forty years through 3rd World immigration and their spawn. 100% of ALL the growth of the USA is from immigration. Now we must endure the “joys” of diversity as our country readies for civil war through clash of cultures.
The jury is no longer out concerning our leaders. When every issue they vote on is detrimental to our country it can be concluded that they are either stupid or have evil intent. If they were stupid, then it at least a few policies would benefit our country; since ALL their policies are detrimental, then it can be concluded that these people are simply evil and are hell bent on destroying the USA.
The obvious goal of these evil Elites is World Government. A World Government cannot exist with sovereign nations stand in the way; therefore, all Nations MUST fall first. The Bible tells it clearly that “this is a war against principalities of darkness.” In other words, we are at war with the followers of Satan, better known as our government leaders. Until they are purged from our society, our country is sure to fall.
Dr. Dean. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. All the communists in power better get rid of all of us before we come after you because being a traitor and not fulfilling the constitutional duties to uphold the constitution is not a ggod thing!
Actually, I love Socialism. Didn’t you read my book?
Wowee Zowee Howie
Hippies are hypocrites,….. one hand clenched in a fist in order to rail at the establishment,… the other hand open and humble asking for some welfare handouts.
How did OL Howie get that degree? This guy has to be the biggest idiot outside of ALGORE and Uncle Joe”Budweiser”Biden. Why is it that we have to go through these cycles with liberals. Its like every 15 years or so we forget how horrible liberals are at running things. We get tired of Republicans being to liberal and elect the real idiots to remind ourselves why moderate Republicans arent so bad? I have an idea. Lets vote out the liberals, and put a big billboard up on the capital steps to remind us that they are socialists, and move the debate to one between moderate Republicans and conservatives, maybe throw in a few libertarians. The lliberal Dems are just a waste of time and a danger to liberty, freedom and our free market economy, that has made America as strong as she is today. It is after all liberal spending, either by R’s or D’s, that ruins our country. As for foreign policy, does anyone even expect the liberals to accomplish anything beneficial for America? What a joke.
Got damnit, he and some of you jerkweeds are some of the dumbest excuse for pondscum that I’ve ever seen.
Capitalism can not fail. It is natural law. Personal Property can not fail. It is natural law.
What is failing now is when FEDERAL government puts a freaking Black Hole into every private market with unlimited money for explicit purpose of raising morons- like you- without market factors correcting for it.
Such as FANNIE MAE. FREDDIE MAC(Community Reinvestment Act). THE FDIC. THE FEDERAL RESERVE. THE DISSOLUTION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS(GM & BANKS). KILO/Pfizer Case(Imminent Domain for sale if you pay more taxes).
That isn’t capitalism you hapless fcknuts. That is literally SOCIALISM(You and governemt dipsh|ts) collapsing a CAPITALISTIC MARKET.
Please thank FDR, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and now the latest Communist Douchebag- The undocumented worker of the Century- Barry Hussein Soetoro the the framework for this collapse. And let’s all not forget your complete ignorance and disconnect with reality as it’s driving force. I would like a give a great big FU to all my Commi enemies on American soil. Enjoy it while you can. Ooooo Lordy. We gots some presents for you.
Don’t buy the crap. Bill Clinton OPENED this conference. They are ALL in on it. They think they have us whipped so now they don’t even try to hide their communisim and global agenda. I listened to Bill Clinton state VERY PLAINLY that we need global government!
Progressives just another name for communist!
Vote these lying sonsofbitches out of office 2010 – every one of them that signed onto the “stimulous” pork package for demoRATS –
ALL the RATS should be out of congress and most the RATpublicans should be voted out – don’t let the thugs from acorn win this one folks
USE YOUR GUNS PEOPLE
THIS IS WHAT THE 2nd AMENDMENT WAS MEANT TO COUNTERACT
There are less than 400 people in the house and senate and they have families.
Here is a video from a few months back where Howard Dean says he predicts Healthcare Bill will pass WITH A PUBLIC OPTION…I’m surprised this never got picked up by you guys!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwRco864Gto
Gee Howard…thanks for doing our thinking for us and letting us know we don’t have to worry about this any more. Sheesh, you are some kinda ignorant dweeb to think that millions of Americans would give up their right to think independently and let you of all people form their opinions. I have to agree with other commenters/posters, you been smokin’ somethin’ dude.
They just don’t get it or they choose to ignore it. Capitalism was hurt by too much injection of socialism. Capitalism did not fail, a mixed economy failed. Would this have happened if the government did not force the housing market with not only incentives but threats? Would capitalist have made the bad business decisions that created this mess to begin with? If they think they are going to lose their businesses, they will make the right decisions. The socialist policies made good businessmen make bad business decision. The bailouts sent the wrong signal. That signal is, it is ok to fail and we will bail you out. Capitalism works when it is allowed to, things did not fail until socialism reared its ugly head. Fanny May and Freddie Mac, government sponsored organizations contributed to the problem.
First things first…Howard Dean is a Bafoon.
Either his mother dropped him on his head or the meth has pickled what was left of it.
If you didn’t know who he was, you would think he was some type of socialist preacher
teaching a bastardized version of psalms like,”YEA! YEA! DIVERSITY,DIVERSITY ALL OUR DAYS UNDER
THE SUN SAYETH THE PREACHER ALL ARE THE SAME UNDER OUR SACRED MESSIAH OBAMA,AND THOUGH WE BE LED
AWAY FROM THE DREADFUL IDEAS OF INDIVIDUALISM OR A FREE COUNTRY,WE NOW ARE ONE CULTURE.”See how
the liberal mindset is?White Anglo society is of no use to them,doesn’t exist and has no place in their master-plan,however other
cultures are nurtured and put above the white american anglo socity.
Dr. Dean uses the “package deal” technique to package capitalism with “communitarianism” (socialism), which is a contradiction in terms. These are political systems that cannot be mixed; if they are, socialism always wins by default. Why? Socialism wins in mixed political systems because the principle of individual rights is violated by socialism.
Capitalism is a social-political system based on individual rights, including property rights in which all property is privately owned.
Socialism and all of its variants (including communitarianism) is a system in which government owns or controls (or both) all property and individual rights are not recognized.
“Mixed” systems have elements of capitalism and socialism, the latter always creeping in to take over private property by infringing individual rights more and more until, for practical purposes, little to no remnants of individual rights remain.
Socialism “wins” by capitalism giving in the first step to socialism by conceding to government that it has the moral authority to violate individual rights. When this happens (and it has happened in the USA), it is only a matter of time until Socialism wins – unless those who fight for freedom – i.e. for Capitalism – let their voices be heard.
There is still time; it’s not too late to reclaim rights, private property, and liberty for America.
MUST BE A DIFFERENT JESUS AND CERTAINLY A DIFFERENT BOOK THAN THE BIBLE – SOCIALISM / COMMUNISM IS CERTAINLY NOT PART OF WHAT CHRIST WROTE – IN FACT HE TELLS US THAT “HIS KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD” – I’m so glad because I’m only passing through – obama and his lying bunch are here for a short while and after that, Judgment .. for all .. Are YOU ready?
Howard Dean… an ambassador, a representative of the United States? Not on your life. He represents a minority of the citizens (called “liberals”) while wrongly thinking he (and the liberals) are a majority force. Everything Dean says, everything Obama does, everything Obama’s Cabinet does is geared to Socialism, or worse, and we suspected worse. For one reason… most liberals do not have a clue about the world they live in. Their decisions, their rational, and their “opinion” of the universe is perverted and warped. They are akin to children, mentally… plenty of emotion but no rational or critical thinking skills. They pout and throw tantrums and point fingers and whine, and they demand that if you do not agree with them, you must be filled with HATE. Never mind that you simply DISAGREE; that is not allowed. No… most of America is not mentally unbalanced like this. Just seems that way because the loud, vocal, ranting “liberal” children are the ones seen everywhere and everyplace. Like any screaming child in a restaurant, that child is all we tend to see and hear.
They worry about people smoking cigarettes. What in hell is he on?
I guess it’s typical, like his pal’s – “I did not have sex with that woman”
because oral sex – isn’t sex. It’s like being a little bit pregnant or
having a little bit of AIDS – not all of it.
He’s delusional – my parents come from a communist country – and – make no
mistake about it – that is their goal – I think they would be happy to
educate him on what the fate of collaborators has been down thru history.
They don’t come out on top. Once they’ve betrayed the people in the country –
the results are – they people know who betrayed them – they’re reviled by the
people – the Czar’s no longer need them and know they will betray anyone
for a price.
He can keep his part time socialism – part time capitalism. I think the
taxpayers can chip in and ship his rear end out to a communist country where he
and his ilk can be happy. They really know the meaning of redistribution there.
Nothing is yours – it all belongs to the state.
Congressmen need to be part-time only. These guys have way too much time on their hands
to be able to create unnecessary problems to solve. The constitution works beautifully as is.
Nothing like a 45 minute or so work day before cocktails, how about a breathalyzer test for Dean.
He’s right — debate is over. With Socialism you lose, big time. Socialism leads to the loss of freedom and liberty. It oppresses the individual for the gains of “the state”. In it’s advanced stages it slips into totalitarianism. Thank you Dean for further demonstrating what the Dumbocrats truly stand for. (I bet he’s a fan of Mao, too.)
Frank (@9:50 a.m.) said
We need to cap these people. Tyranny MUST be met with violence.
Period.
If Comrade Dean’s remarks ever become fact, I’m afraid the above comment will become a reality. For the past several years, I’ve commented to others that a revolution will occur in this country. I would rather see a voter revolt, but strongly believe that will never be a permanent solution.
Divide now!
Those people who voted for Obama are as much to blame as Obama himself. He told everyone what he intended to do, but people either didn’t listen or didn’t care. His administration and this congress are trying to destroy our great nation and turn it into a socialist country. The man who holds the purse strings, George Soros, has made it clear what he thinks of the United States, and Obama is his puppet. The sooner he and his ilk are out, the better for the country.
No….Howie, we are not going to have both.
Dr. Rogers quote never rang so true, a reminder:
“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”
Vote conservative in 2010!!!!!!!!!!
Socialism is nothing new in America, we’ve had socialist education, social security, etc., i do hope that the current push for socialized medicine will open the eyes of the people to see what has been a long slippery slope starting in the early 20th century…
At least Howard Dean is indirectly stating very clearly he is a quasi Democrat-socialist . . . in a small room with closed doors. . . though I’m not sure which parts of the US Constitution he chooses to ignore and which other parts of the US Constitution he prefers to alter or whether he is ready to declare the US Constitution is a living document that should transform with the times and those currently holding power.
Glad he is outed by his own mouth. Hope his Doc wife’s people are keen to support him and come out now and tell how THEY are all socialists too… hey, he better toe their line because THEY have the money. Oh well, another linkup like CohenKerry. (the boater not too swift whose predecessor boaters changed name from Cohen(sp?) when they escaped europe and landed in Ireland, taking the Irish name of Kerry according to other talkers) Dean’s wife whatzername & family surely “guides” the Deaner like Kerry’s. He’s venturing (pushed because he doesn’t have the ability to think) out there dipping in the USA public pool with his socialist toes to test the water. hummmmmm hummmmm hummmm. Keep talkin’ you Socialist devils. Keep talkin’.
What he is professing is nothing short of NUTZIISM.
The only unknown is whether Obama and Dean prefer Stalinism or Maoism. The whole issue is to eliminate Constitutionaly guaranteed freedom and replace it with absolute government control. That is the aim of the hostile take-overs of our capitalist institutions, health care, and global warming, which is now debunked. No? What legitimate scientist deliberately destroys the original raw data on which his theory of man-made global warming is founded? Where is the investigation of NASA’s Mann and Al Gore, who have committed fraud that makes Madoff’s ponzi scheme look like a church social? Where is the investigation of the IPPC?
the CANCER growing on the presidency (and on the ‘mainstream’ media) is the voting public’s ever-increasing awareness that they were deceived as to Obama’s biography, world-view, associations, etc.
Congressmen need to be part-time only. They have way too much
time on their hands creating “problems” to solve. Our constitution
is a beautiful thing as is.
Somebody give Dean a breathalyzer, it must be nice to have a
45 minute or so workday before cocktails.
Communists… Otherwise known as Socialists in a hurry
I love to piss on your leg… and then convince you that it is raining!
This guy is a moron….
It is this weird pseudo market that is creating all the bubbles that is destroying all of our wealth. It destroyed housing, banking, and is no destroying our currency. This is what happens when you let the progressive’s nose in the tent.
Communitarianism??? The problem is that Democrats (and all of the socialists/communists here and in Europe) see “community” and government as the same thing. To them, charity begins with taxes and then they decide who gets to be the winners. The socialist’s view is that a “community” is a group selected by a governmental agency and then regulated and managed by them because they they know better than the people.
Yes, we have within our nature the desire to band together in social networks, however, that should have NOTHING to do with the government. As our Founding Fathers noted, the government should be for the formation of a common defense (the army and navy) and some exceptions like infrastructure; the rest being the province of tyranny. My social networks are my work, friends, church, sports teams, neighborhood, family, charities (I like the Smile Train, USO, Disabled American Veterans, St. Jude, etc), and other organizations which I decide to join in order to further the interests of the group. These are MY personal choices and the socialist don’t like that so they decide to STEAL my money through governmental force and give it groups THEY decide should be supported, such as ACORN, HHS, Department of Labor, etc. It can’t be that I decided to pay more to live in a good neighborhood so my daughter could have a good school, so take my money and give it to a failing government run schools in DC. That way, neither my daughter nor the kids in DC get a good education. Leveled outcome, problem solved. THEY want to decide winners/losers and outcomes, not leave that up to the people.
Computer age enhance the last known photo of Lee Harvey Oswald to Dean’s current age, and then, put them side by side……Oswald never died…..or….Dean never lived
It’s sad that people get so caught up in catch phrases and loaded words. ‘Socialism vs. capitalism’ is not an all or nothing issue. Many US programs are ’socialist’ in that they redistribute wealth or put limits on what capital can do to labor. “Social” Security insurance is ’socialist.’ Medicaid is socialist. Income tax and sales tax laws that pay for roads, bridges, bombs and radar systems are socialist. Laws that keep children from working 16 hour days in sweatshops are socialist. It’s about grades of socialism vs capitalism. In the Reagan era, arguably America was at a 4 on a 1 to 10 scale as far as government policies that might be considered ’socialist.’ Under Bush II, it was probably 4 to 5. Obama may be pushing it to 5.5 or 6. Then some future republican president may bring it back down to 5. It’s fine to want less government, but unless your a strict, absolute libertarian who doesn’t mind sweatshops and starvation, you are part socialist…. Also, socialism is not a synonym of marxism or communist or authoritarianism anymore than it’s a synonym for capitalism. They’re different words with different meanings. Turn off the talk radio and read a history book.
What he is saying is that the climate is now right for socialism to become the permanent montra of the DNC. He believes he has someone who can be popular enough to drag us into being more like Europe as every lib leader since Woodrow Wilson dreamed of.
This is woefully ignorant of polls and the mood of the country. There will be a major smackdown next fall in the midterm elections just as in 1994 that will reverse everything Dr. Dean just said.
Let’s see how much talking Howie is going to be doing next November when the party he is so thoroughly in love with gets DUMPED ON in the next election. Howie, Owebama, Princess Pelosi, and Dingy Harry can’t get it through their calcified skulls that people want JOBS not SOCIALISM!!!
Howard Dean is RIGHT! The debate should be over. Why? Socialism does not work in Europe, it has not worked in Latin America. We are just too slow to realize that we are 10 years behind what they already learned.
Margaret Thatcher, in a TV interview for Thames TV This Week [[1]]on Feb. 5, 1976, Prime Minister Thatcher said, “…and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They [socialists] always run out of other people’s money. It’s quite a characteristic of them.”
The debate is over?!?
Socialism has never worked. Socialism produces lazy people who are always looking for a handout. Although capitalism isn’t perfect, it has consistently produced wealth for those who are willing to work.
Dean should go back to screaching into a microphone for the Democratic party.
Is Dr. Dean writing himself prescriptions again?
Keith, sweatshops aren’t caused by greedy businessmen. its the results of high cost of living from high taxes, bureacratic rules and regulations and no private property. Freedom and Capitalism are the choice we can have to make what we want for oursleves.
Democrats and Liberals are the epitome of Communist and Socialist filth. End of story.
Even China decided to be free; he must have missed the memo…
Remember: Hitler was elected. All who think they can’t wait for 2010 and throw the bums out, think on this: If the Democrats and Republicans feel they will lose their hold, there will be no elections.
I will be pleasantly surprise if we go to the polls in 2010. I am waiting for the “One”, to have his Reichstag Fire and declare an emergency. Then the usual suspects will be rounded up to go to the camps. That is Socialism, it needs it’s slaves.
Peace. Basser
Dr.(?) Can You Say Quack…..Dean.
Over a decade ago, eminent economist and man of the left Robert L. Heilbronner declared the war to be over and capitalism the winner. Even he could see that socialism doesn’t work.
It is the arrogance of the American Left that makes them think they can make a pig fly. The only question is – how much damage will they do to the American economy, the American Spirit, and the American Dream in their efforts to prove that the only problem with Socialism was that the “right people” were not in charge
Howard Dean is nuts. He compares Obama to Kennedy which already sets BHO up for a big fall. OBama’s not Kennedy. In someways Kennedy wasn’t Kennedy until he died and let’s hope that doesn’t happen here. Still, if you want to look forward you shouldn’t compare him to a legend he can’t equal. He can’t even equal people’s expectations of him now. It’s not going to help him. He’s Obama, not Kennedy.
He is right in that people want to be part of the community and to help those who are in need. Under capitalism we have the opportunity to give our money and time to people/causes/projects that we see make a difference in the lives of people with no middle man. Under socialism our money is taken in taxes and distributed to people/causes/projects by politicians who want to be re-elected deem in need (with extremely high administrative costs). The NEED for their re-election shews who is acutally in need of MY money that I work so hard to earn.
This is the cross roads we are at – do we think the purpose of our Government is our big sweet sugar daddy OR are we responsible for ourselves?
People can deal with one another by VOLUNTARY dollars (laissez-faire capitalism), or by whips, chains and guns (all other forms of government: socialism, fascism, communism, ). Guess which system has increased the median standard of living many times beyond any other system? … and which system is blamed by dictators for any totalitarian-caused problems?
Beware of believing these no-brain politicians on a mission to enslave you. If they really wanted to help the “poor,” they would ask for donations and preserve wealth-creating capitalism, not ask you to vote them dictators over everyone.
We need to see the donkey posters for Capitalism’n'Socialism, we need to hear the soundbites for Capitalism’n'Socialism from these Democrats, oh bring forth the TV ad spots for liberal Democrat Capitalism’n'Socialism.
This has been going forward for decades, no time to pause now. Show it!
…it’s nice to know that Dean is coming out of the closet. Let them declare their true stripes as they watch America fall…. and then, like Carter, we will take it back again… because we are not going to wait for our sestruction… we need jobs, income, and we have SELF PRESERVATION that Democrats LACK !!
So Howard Dean and other main stream Dems proclaim that capitalism is dead? Where’s the news in that? They’ve been assaulting capitalism and private property rights forever now it seems. Of course, capitalism as it applies to THEM is another matter. They’ve learned well from their heroes and icons Marx and Lenin (and I don’t mean Groucho and John), “what’s mine is mine, it’s what’s YOURS that’s negotiable!”…
Mr. Dean’s rhetoric is dangerous. Suggesting a capitalism-socialism hybrid to a likely sympathetic European audience seems to imply where the currently elected Democrat Party officials want to take this country. Shame on you, Mr. Dean.
Dr. Frankenstein’s monster learns to speak! This putz and all the rest of the Democrat’s are the really scary monsters.
You can’t have some socialism and some capitalism. The two are antithetical. But I do agree the debate is over. It ended in 1989 when the Berlin Wall came down. Socialism is a failure.
still smoking that crystal-meth I see deanny boy….why don’t you take your ilk back down to the sheep farm
J Noonan December 1st, 2009 – 11:59 am
Both parties scare me. The neo-marxists on the left and the Jesus freaks on the right. What happened to level headed centrists?
I think if you look, it was the compromise of centrism that brought us here. A slow irradication of clear thought and purpose througth incremental shifts. If you hear quotes today from John F Kennedy, without knowing who the speaker was, he sounds like a conservative of today. He wasn’t then.
The people in the background look comatose. Of course.
“It brings us a little closer to the European model”
Oh thank goodness.
“Communitarianism”
LMAO. What a mealy-mouthed useless wh*re he is.
Why do we have so many of these blabbermouth retards running our country into the ground?
look what it’s done for Detroit!!!!!
There is no doubt that socialism cannot work until the human kind improves at least ten, perhaps a hundred-fold. Cuba recently eliminated potatoes from their ration book allowances.
In the history book: “Mayflower: A Story of Courage, Community, and War” by Nathaniel Philbrick – schooled to K-12 in Pittsburgh – he describes the Pilgrims near-starvation due mostly to their failed experiment in socialism, not just harsh winters and poor soil. This led their leader William Bradford to allow each family their own plot of land to grow and also hunt for themselves. They worked not for the “commonwealth”, but for themselves. Then they could sell their surplus and had much for the Thanksgiving festivities with the Indians. Thanks to Bradford’s & other Pilgrims rejection of socialism the newly discovered spirit of capitalism had a thriving colony (surely also leading to begetting some of our Founding Fathers.} I cannot fathom what would have happened without Bradford’s decision.
Make sure the schoolbooks accurately describe the Pilgrims. If not take the inaccurate history books to the school board.
What a Douche he is, yes, and even more so!
Useful Idiot
The RNC thanks you, Howie
Nihil novi sub sole. This was already tried. There was a name for it:
Fascism!
If this skunk thinks that the debate between capitalism and socialism “is over” and that “socialism has won” —- all he has to do is reach for my wallet and I’ll chop off his hand, his head, and his wee tiny male toy.
Capitalism is how I earn my money. Socialism is how bloodsxcking bxstxrds like Howard Dean and Barak Hushpuppy OhBummer steal my money.
Some Democrats [and even a few RINO Republicans] now advocate a “third way between capitalism and socialism” —- a system variously known in Europe in the last century as “fascism” and Nazism.” The goal of these looters is the same —- to take up residence inside your wallet and up your rxctum and to dictate the terms of your existence. Destroy them.
This video really is nuts…Howard Dean is a crook:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwRco864Gto
For an interesting exercise in freedom visit the Communist Party USA Website, cpusa.org and compare the Program of the Communist Party USA with what you already know about the platform of the DNC and the views of the main stream media. The following quote is from the summary:
A Communist Party is essential for Marxists to test revolutionary theory through practice. We are not a debating society wrangling over obscure texts. We are a political movement, and we welcome all who accept our program. As Marx said, “The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point, however, is to change it.” The Communist Party USA is about changing the world.
The similarities in foreign policy, economics and domestic issues are eerily similar to those coming from Washington. Warning you’ll have to fight through the main body which in my opinion is a distortion the last 150 years of history, but it will be worth it. Print it out, use a highliter and make some notes. Change and transformation are recurring themes. Just one more quote for self described socialist that believe socialism is the end game.
Communists advocate socialism as the first phase of a new stage of society, but we don’t think that social and economic development will end at socialism. We see socialist society eventually leading to a higher phase—communism—where the capitalist class and all classes will have disappeared, replaced by a commonwealth of all working people, and where national and racial enmity and prejudice will be things of the past. In communist society, the essentials of life will be plentiful and readily available to all, and the repressive apparatus of government will wither away leaving purely administrative functions.
This moronic jerk really needs to stay in the house. All the time.
What I find appalling is that people like Dean hide behind the Constitution and Bill of Rights. They claim they are “Patriotic” Americans, yet their very love of Socialist ideaology is contrary to the founding of this nation and what Americans have fought and died for. These people are not Patriots, they are traitors and cowards. They hide behind soft and colorful words, like “Progressive” or “New Democrat” and have more in common with Stalin and Lenin, than they do Jefferson, Washington or Paine. Its sad to see most of the ORIGINAL 13 colonies that fought so hard for FREEDOM, to blindly groval at the feet of Socialists, while they slit theirs and their grandchildrens throats.
History has repeatedly shown that societies progress in stages. From bondage to freedom, then from freedom back to bondage.
We were waiting for the the scream at the the end … we’re going to Moscow!
The sing behind him should read DOUCHE.
If ever there as a question of this persons mental conidtion it has been put to rest now. An American saying what he has is sacreligous. It shows just how far left the DNC has gone…to strive for the mediocracy of Europe?
Remember that it is John McCain’s campagn reform bill that stripped us of the ability to use the media to attack those that we disagree with. So the only voice that is allowed to be public in the last days of a campagn are the very Media that prop up these socialists/marxists/communists. It is the willing idiots and fellow travelers that sell them the rope it takes to hang the rest of us. However, we have been a land of socialism for a long time. Now is the time to rise up and fight lest they trample the little bit of what we have left. Sun Tzo says you only have to mount Ten Percent of a standing army to be successful in it’s defeat.
Hopefully it will never come to that, but if we decide from the outset that we will never fight to protect our rights then they will take them away without a struggle.
They are bullies and they need to be treated as bullies. The rights we have are God given, and unalienable. You cannot alienate us from them by government mandates. Fight if we must, and we will fight to the very last one because it is better to die a free man than live a slave.
If they understand that we will fight at the point where we are dealing with what the Chinese Communist would have brought on us if they conquered us then they will know where to draw their line. As things stand now they are reminded day in and day out through the talking heads on our side that we are the ‘Peaceful revolution’ and won’t fight.
You cannot tell a bully that you refuse to fight him. You must tell a bully that he/she cannot afford the life struggle that he/she is about to embark on. “You might beat me today, but you will have to beat me tomorrow and the next day and the next day and on and on; One day i will prevail and it will cost you everything……. IS IT WORTH IT?” That is the message you send the bully. Each and every day will be a fight once the fight is engaged, no submission or peace until we prevail to remain a totally free people who will not be yoked under this burden of darkness.
As Churchill said, “A great darkness threatens our very civilization, perhaps one day they will look back on this day and say, This Was Their Finest Hour.”
The only thing that is over is Dean’s career and political aspirations. Although we may elect morons, as proven by the last presidential election outcome, we don’t elect the insane.
Why is it that the same people who say we shouldn’t try to impose Western-style democracy on other nations, have no problems imposing European-style socialism on us?
Slack jawed, effeminate, nanny state, cradle to grave, steal from your neighbor, surrender your rights, trade your soul for security.
So……this is what the most prosperous country in recorded history has come to…..helps you better understand the fall of Rome doesn’t it!
the economies that work best and are the most stable are mixed economies like norway and sweden
“the economies that work best and are the most stable are mixed economies like norway and sweden”
they dont have nigs, jews, and mexcrement.
I HATE this country and hope dc is hit with a nuclear bomb during the state of disunion teleprompter reading farce.
Paxil may be right for you Mr. Dean.
“If you have ever wondered if socialism would work in America, look at the ghettos they are American socialism at it’s finest.” I can’t remember who said that put I think it’s pretty important. Still wondering if it works look around it hasn’t worked anywhere. The greatest countries are those that utilize capitalism.
And Capitalism has won!
Dean is a really dumb person. He says love of country, love of community is the same as socialism. He is sadly mistaken. Capitalism encompasses both working hard for your self and being humane toward your fellow men. Capitalists want everyone to succeed and they will help others to get started and get ahead, remember God only helps those that help themselves.
Where was BRO on that list of the 25 most intelligent people in the world? Oh. Probably under Hillary…
Please, could we just all find some people with brains to be in the news for a change?
Only the wealthy can be socialists or communists. The rest become slaves. The current Democratic party is not germane to the needs of the nation. They will have to be removed, hopefully via the ballot box, completely for the nation to survive.
Ok, so do the average views of this website really require big yellow font over the video (like a crayon) to amplify what they are hearing? Quit treating us like four year olds. Thanks.
The only thing over Howard is your political career. Go back to taking more pills and shut up. On second thought, keep it up, you’re helping to destroy your party and I can’t wait to see it all come true next November.
Dr. Deang-a-ling
In 2010, I will likely vote conservative, but will definitely vote AGAINST any candidate with INC. after their name.
Time for term limits. If the congress/senate won’t vote them for themselves, It is past time America did it for them. Time for all new faces.
Yes, the democrats are so in favor of socialist giving. Just look at #2 in charge. Joe Biden. Quite the giver. They only want to take our money and hand it out. Practice what you preach. Couldn’t find Dean’s but it is a common trait of dem’s giving habits.
Here is a chart of the Bidens’ giving for the years covered by the tax returns:
Adjusted Gross Income – Charity
1998 – $215,432 – $195
1999 – $210,797 – $120
2000 – $219,953 – $360
2001 – $220,712 – $360
2002 – $227,811 – $260
2003 – $231,375 – $260
2004 – $234,271 – $380
2005 – $321,379 – $380
2006 – $248,459 – $380
2007 – $319,853 – $995
Total – $2,450,042 – $3,690
Thanks Whowillfirefirst!
I’ve not heard a more eloquent admission that you’re a sister-lovin cracker who wishes Adolf would have won. Oh wait… he did win you heart and the cavity between your two ears
It is frightening to see how many people are incensed at the mere mention of social programs.
In addition to Tim’s list of the US Mail, public schools, social security, medicare…
there’s the US Space Program, the US Military, Government Labs (including the development of the atom bomb), State parks and police and fire departments. and Fedex sure doesn’t beat US Mail in terms of pricing.
I love capitalism and competition and it is what makes the US and the American dream so great…
but in areas with little competition look around you:
News Corp which owns everything and dictates your entertainment, crappy cars from GM, $100/m Time Warner Cable bills, Airlines that offer little service and go under every few years. I’d rather the government handle some of this ineffeciently but fairly than Monopolies ramming crappy products down our throat and charging us up the wazoo.
To me it’s like a boxer saying he doesn’t need to learn how to wrestle for a street fight… because boxing is the best system.
Holy crap! Dean must own stock in Remmington, Glock and other gun and ammo manufacturers. This video will cause the other 40% of Americans to Arm themselves too!
Have any of these Democrats read an American history book? Have they got the slightest clue to what this nation is about and the things that make it great? They seem hell bent on distroying this nation and making it into something it is not.
Howard’Barney Rubble’Dean should just shut up and do what he’s medically trained to do.Remove hemmorhoids and and warts from old mens butts.
Our leaders, Dems and Repubs have sold us out long ago-Nancy Palosi spent $3000 on flowers in 8 months. $3000 on FLOWERS FOR HER OFFICE:AT TAX PAYERS EXPENSE $3000 on FLOWERS FOR HER OFFICE:$3000 on FLOWERS FOR HER OFFICE:AT TAX PAYERS EXPENSE: $3000 on FLOWERS FOR HER OFFICE:AT TAX PAYERS EXPENSE: $3000 on FLOWERS FOR HER OFFICE:AT TAX PAYERS EXPENSE: $3000 on FLOWERS FOR HER OFFICE:AT TAX PAYERS EXPENSE:$3000 on FLOWERS FOR HER OFFICE:AT TAX PAYERS EXPENSE: $3000 on FLOWERS FOR HER OFFICE:AT TAX PAYERS EXPENSE
Would’ve paid for my medical expenses for a YEAR!!!
That dude on the right has a HUGE package. What is with the Bee Gees jeans?
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whoops, I opened my mouth again…and nothing came out except blather.
Dave. That was a well-written, passionate essay about fighting the darkness that threatens our freedoms.
Nothing new here.
The entirety of intellectual history has always been a history of the struggle between the individual and the collective.
The debate between socialism and capitalism is the same. Capitalism is a set of ideals that when adhered to maximizes the utility (materialistically) of the individual whereas socialism attempts to maximize the utility of the collective. What is often missed is that the collective cannot exist without the individuals who enter into it. The individual is a prima facie requirement for the existence of the collective. Whereas an individual will always act out of his own best self interest (or rather what he thinks will maximize his utility) a collective cannot act at all and therefore socialism will always fail at maximizing the utility of the collective since it is only the individual who can act out of self interest.
To put it simply, only you know what is best for you.
Howard Dean is always good for a laugh or two. He’s the real McCoy. Living proof that serious brain injuries don’t have to end your pursuit of a new life. Sure, he’s an idiot, but he’s lucky he isn’t confined to a bed with the degree of brain damage he’s suffered. Fortunately, he isn’t really suffering as he hasn’t the cognitive abilities to realize how far he’s fallen.
EPIC post by all. I’m proud to call all of you Americans. Anyone in a position of power who doesn’t consider our forefathers trials and tribulations should be shot and hanged, not in the same order.
Greed has a more limited life cycle on Main Street than on Wall Street. When Enron got caught it died, when Goldman Sacks got caught it got bailed out by Democrats who received millions in campaign contributions for political protection.
The “greed is good” Dean refers to was popularized by the fictional character Gordon Gekko who represents the Wall Street leaches that survive on the successes and failures of Main Street. Their campaign contributions give Democrats the millions needed to get the Main Street leaches to vote Democratic. Main Street leaches are the lazy, mentally weak and undisciplined who expect the Democrats to transfer the fruits of Main Street workers to them. It’s a marriage ripe for socialism but Mr. Dean may not like the consequences after the host economy dies from to many hand outs to the Main Street leaches. Then the Wall Street leachers with take their billions and stealthily move onto another host economy; the elite Democrats will leave the US with what wealth each can pilfer from the US treasury and the Main Street leaches will go hunting for Democrats. Meanwhile, Main Street workers will rediscover a moral compass and find a new fulfillment in deeds, not greed, fulfilling the vision Adam Smith had for capitalism. American capitalism will survive Howard Dean’s socialism, but the Democrats will not.
This is sickening. I’m glad my dad and most of those brave men that fought WWII, and those that fought in the first U.S. Revolutionary War are not alive to see what we’ve degenerated into with our multicultural society that was never held to the standard of becoming an American…they are simply foreigners that happen to live here. That’s what caused this descent into socialism and our loss of freedom. I’m only a second generation native to this country, but my parents and grandparents fought AGAINST their homeland and relatives to preserve what we have (had). Now folks fight to preserve what they brought with them…socialism and a sick co-dependence on government tyrants that substitutes for their own laziness and stupidity.
Wow – who would have thought for a moment that someone could be so stupid?
Self absorbed and greedy ass-hat…what a POHS.
That lady behind him looked bored to tears.
Howard Dean is right. The top countries in the world in terms of quality of life are more socialist then the US. The poverty rate in the USA among Children is 22.6%, in Sweden it’s 2.6%, nuff’ said. In European countries you get six-week vacations, free day care for children, and of course, free health care. God forbid we do something to improve the lives of our citizens here, as opposed to sending them off to die in Iraq. The facts are in…
Socialism > Capitalism…
Nuff’ Said…
It’s rather funny how the people who bash socialism are the same people who use our socialist roads, take meds approved by our socialist FDA, and of course, are safe thanks to our socialist police force. The only socialist thing these people don’t seem to be using are libraries.
P.S., In case anyone is wondering why there are so many morons posting comments, this article was linked to from Drudge, the king of them all. The same guy with the website layout straight out of 1994 and a brain straight out of a 3 year old. Don’t worry, it’s ok to laugh at them, Just like the way we laughed on the 2008 election night as we watched them cry.
Howard Dean is a STUPID,STUPID man
He may be crazy, and dangerous, but I have to thank Mr. Dean for one thing. My girlfriend, basically a lefty, thinks I’m a tinfoil hat guy when I tell her I’m worried about this country becoming a socialist system. Maybe when I play the video of Mr. Dean coming out and saying it she’ll give me at least a bit more credence.
Oh, and Howard? You can have my bankbook when you pry it from my cold, dead hands…
I didn’t think it was possible that anyone could be that stupid.
Hey Howard you ever heard of live free or die well keep it up you communist thug.
Well, Aaron, you’re a testament to our education system in this country. Newsflash, Dr. Fermi: there is NO SUCH THING as free day care or free health care. Those things, and everything else, only SEEM free if you are NOT THE ONE PAYING FOR THEM! The money for them doesn’t come from a magic money tree or a mystical moolah gnome (although Mr. Obama might’ve thought so while he was doing “blow”).
Moreover, roads and government systems are not “socialist” because we all, regardless of income level, can access them equally. They are NOT the redistribution of wealth. One COULD make the argument that Welfare-type social programs ARE, though, as only those on the lower rung of the economic strata can stake a claim to them (based on the loss of property of those who can’t).
But hey, the last time I checked, Americans have the right to freedom of movement (though that’s probably gonig to change with everything else), so if you’re sooooo enamored with the socialist systems around the world, buddy, don’t let the door hit in your agenda…
I’m not working for a bunch of blacks, jews and mexicans.
I just won’t work and will watch the country rot from afar.
The Democrats (Socialists/Progressives/Communists/Facists) are finally revealing themselves for who they are. They hate Capitalism (even though some, like Dean, like to still include it to some degree) and are doing all they can to destroy it and individual freedoms. That’s why we have Political Correctness. I can’t wait to get rid of liberal control of the House and Senate.
Aaron: Do you understand what people are angry about or are you just playing stupid?
Aaron – you are either a leftist loon, a moron, a European (or perhaps some interesting combo of all three?). Anyway, as for your proclaimed Utopia of Sweden – I bet the taxes are very low, the incomes are very high, the people rule their own destiny through efforts and voices in government, dedication, and hard work. Right? Right?
And of course no corruption to see there – ‘cus after all – they are a socialist model right? RIGHT? No stolen Jew stuff to see there – no Nazi collaborators right?
Yeah…we should all follow Sweden….what a moron.
Howard Dean is an idiot, nobody in their right mind would listen to this moron.
Freedom Rocks: You got it right. A Marxist (usually a charismatic leader like Chavez or Obama) comes in and overthrows a Democracy by pitting classes or races against each other and then use groups like (ACORN and Unions lead by people Marxists agitators like Van Jones)to create violence. They also attack the economy, making the situations bad so the charismatic leader can come in and start to take over banks and businesses. This all leads to Socialism which eventually ends up as Communism.
Howard Dean is a certified IDIOT.
TIM: Statement of the obvious (obviously) :)
Riddle me this, however:
Elected time and time again. Why?
No one watches that video and goes “Hm… where are the missing pieces of that video?” Nobody? That’s sad. It certainly seems that all rallying points for the conservatives come from videos that are cropped, and that don’t show the entire story. They love to take things out of context and try to use it to their advantage, and you know what? They get away with it. How sad.
This comes from a conservative, not a liberal.
I just wish more people would take a different opinion than the masses whose views they take for granted, whose facts they don’t check on their own simply because it matches up with their own world views. This nation is here now because of socialist programs like the New Deal. And you know what? It worked. As odd as that seems, the New Deal actually lifted us out of the Great Depression by giving us Social Security, these numerous programs designed to help better the country. Anyone like their Social Security? Then how dare you call out socialists for tainting the American tradition.
Fact of the matter is, socialistic views and ideas have always been intertwined with America. Simply saying that capitalism is the one true American way of life is flat-out wrong. Please read a history book before letting the word of the masses into your heart. Ignorance is bliss for those who want it so, and the idea that no one in this thread is open-minded is disheartening.
Everyone here has made me feel ashamed to be a conservative American. Especially this gentleman: “they dont have nigs, jews, and mexcrement. I HATE this country and hope dc is hit with a nuclear bomb during the state of disunion teleprompter reading farce.”
For shame, America. For shame. Please, don’t cling to the words of Glenn Beck. The man is an entertainer who entices the idea that he knows what he’s talking about, but in reality? He’s someone who just needs the ratings, and will say silly things to do so.
If you want a truthful news source (and no, Fox News isn’t that source), read Reuters, or even the BBC. I know no one likes the idea of being an American and relying on British news, but at least they don’t present any bias with their American reporting. They tell it like it is.
So please, don’t be ignorant. Open up your eyes, and not for a certain agenda: do it for yourself.
Hitler was a socialist..
Howard Dean is an idiot , just like Mike hang dog Huckabee
If it wasn’t for some jackasses who were convinced that a presidential candidate is not allowed to be excited this man would have saved us from the 4 atrocious years we let Cheney and Bush set up the failure Obama has to clean up but seems to be blamed for. Get over it! Until the otherside puts up better options than McSame and Ms. Alaska Democrats will continue to win and push their policies but knowing a big chunk of this country forgets to think before going to the polls we will gladly allow a Bush like phony to take over because the mess was never created by the assclowns you worship. Dean screams but he can at least make rational decisions based on logic not overblown emotions like most of you posting here.
If Dean would have won the Presidency in 2004, we would have known what an Obama presidency would have been like five years ago.
I suspect that the video had to be edited in order to remove the multiple “yyyeeeahhhaaaas”, “grplinitttts”,”highly motibodabotagods” statements along with the nut scratches, and uncontrolled drooling….otherwise, we simple folk would not have understood the intended message and could have become easily confused….
ROTFL
Do you know that all these poor countries are in line for BILLIONS from this whole Global Warming/Green Agenda in Copenhagen? It is all part of the redistribution of wealth to the world by the rich Western countries, like America. I’ve been hearing that some poor countries are demanding $20 billion and up. This is all a bunch of b.s.!!! This is the biggest con on the world that man has ever seen. CLIMATEGATE.
Here’s a message for all those who choose the world view of Socialism as
the best eco/gov model for the USA:
Folks, you are hitting nerve you never dreamed existed. This wonderful
country, The United States of America, was founded on the principle of
capitalism and an American Free Enterprise System. Men and women have
fought wars around the world to protect our system of government. Now
the enemy is within.
But hear this and get this message loud and clear: The believers in the
American Free Enterprise System and Capitalism will not allow you to
change our nations core. Socialists: you are asking for a fight—and you
need to prepare for just that–because you are trying to chip away the
very foundational core of this Nation. God bless the United States of
America.
Perhaps “Aaron December 1st, 2009 – 6:49 pm” should go to a library to learn the difference between a Social Program & Socialism.
The police are a social program that everyone benefits from, just like roads & libraries.
Socialism redistributes wealth directly from taxpayers, to non-taxpayers; from producers, to non-producers, and in exchange for nothing. Good example is Obama’s little IRS reduction of the witholding tax, without changing the actual tax tables. So for 2009 everybody who makes more than 40,000 per year in a household has to pay that $500 or more tax back in its entirety, whereas those under 40K get to keep it.
Socialist redistribution of wealth tricking you into thinking it was a tax cut for everybody.
The Looking Glass: I love how all you liberals like to start out your b.s. with stating that you are a conservative. lol… what an idiot.
Howard SCREAM is lost in space… Why didn’t BO campaign on truth? Nothing he is doing was in his campaing! And Dean believes in BO!!! Yes, dictators love BO! Is anyone surprised? How’s that hope and change working for you BO voters??? Mindnumb egg-heads…
I hope I live to see the imprisonment of those responsible for perpetrating the hoax called global warming.
I wonder what Gore’s “carbon footprint” would read from a 10′ x 10′ cell?
The Looking Glass: YOU ARE AND NEVER HAVE BEEN A CONSERVATIVE. Read Rueters or the BBC, not Fox News? Rueters and the BBC are some of the most liberal, far-left news sites. You’re completely insane.
During a meeting with the Democratic black caucus, Dean praised black Democrats for their work for the party, and then questioned Republicans’ ability to appeal to minorities.
“You think the Republican National Committee could get this many people of color in a single room?” Dean asked to laughter. “Only if they had the hotel staff in here.”
At least he said “people of color” instead of “colored people.
With a scream like Dean has, he should try out for a remake of Tarzan. Pelosi could play Jane and you know who could try out for Cheetah.
Well at least a democrat has the balls to admit it is socialism. Now its time to rid it from our society.
Tony wrote:
If Howard Dean were any more stupid, he’d have to change his name to Biden.
Change…it’s all you’ll have left.
Sir: I congragulate you for saying so much with so few words. While idiots abound in Washington, these two have to be the biggest.
GREEN IS THE NEW RED! BELIEVERS BEWARE!
This guy is a clown with the wrong message. My question is when is someone going to take him out and Sh*&t him.
The Looking Glass: I don’t know what planet you are from, but, on this one, you are no conservative. Anyone who reads your tripe knows you are lying about that.
When will you posers ever learn how transparent and sophomoric you are?
Yo Howard, the discussion about you is so over….
Harlo:
You hit one of the keys with that.
“Its is all part of the redistribution of wealth…” from those that work, earn, and deserve it – to those who sit on their lazy arses and wallow in fetid squalor awaiting a handout from anyone who is stupid enough to give it to them.. The worst of the worst are those that support this enabling of the tribes of woa.
What a Maroon….
Chancery and Bob:
Grow up, and learn that not everyone who follows the same views as you do aren’t as narrow-minded and near-sighted.
good lord, some of these comments are replete with ignorance. look, greed is a human frailty. greed knows no economic theory, and no one has a monopoly on it. greed isn’t the result of capitalism, or any -ism for that matter, it’s the result of being a crappy human being. there are plenty of greedy socialists and communists out there. good lord, the facts demonstrate unequivocally that capitalism does more to raise the standard of living for all peoples then any other economic theory. in 6 thousand years of human history socialism has never worked, so why would it now?
If I ever need a brain transplant I want Howard Dean’s; one that has never been used before.
@lookingglass – Reuters? Really? You consider Reuters to be an unbiased source of news while calling yourself conservative? While I agree fully with you that there is no place in a civilized world for racism, religionism (including that practiced by many atheists and scientists), ethnocentricism, etc. – and I am fully with you on calling out those who slur entire demographics, thereby showing a barbarism that is despicable, the fact is that the Left practices these things much more than do most Independents and center-right conservatives. (When you go to the far end, the hope for reasoning is largely gone. And unfortunately, you reach the far end of the Left long before you get even close to that of the Right.) Were it not for outfits like Drudge, Breitbart and FoxNews (esp. Beck and O’Reilly), ACORN would still be funded to the hilt and we’d have Democrat governors in Virginia and New Jersey. Were it not for these outfits and others that are watchdogs instead of Obama-lap-dogs (looking for their messianic master to pat them on their collective head and say, “Good girl. Good girl,” we’d still have Van Jones in the White House, health care reform would already be law, and Obama would be much more popular and powerful than he currently is. Go ahead and read Reuters. I do, and millions of Independents do. But know that they are part of the lame-stream media and not real watchdogs. Whatever their faults, the entire CONSTITUTIONAL PURPOSE of the media is to serve as a watchdog on the government – regardless of who is in office. MSNBC, CBS, and CNN are not. It appears that ABC may be something of a hybrid – the jury is out for me with them (I like Brian Ross and liked Ted Stossel before he made the leap to FoxNews). Were it not for the real watchdogs, idiot politics, camouflaging itself as science, would have us transferring hundreds of billions of “global warming” dollars to countries more corrupt than our own. The political enemy (not just opponent – enemy) within is the Left. They sold their souls during the Clinton years. They sold their souls when they sabotaged everything they could with respect to the Iraq war. And they sell their souls to their one and true Messiah, Barak Hussein Obama (mmm mmm mmm), the biggest propagandist this country has ever seen. You want to see how the Left really looks in all its ugliness? Go here: http://bit.ly/zombietimehallofshame. Where is the lame-stream media when these clowns take to the streets? Nowhere! And they have the gall to ask *conservatives* to be civil? To not take things out of context? The Left has ZERO respectability. ZERO? Less than ZERO. The Left is to politics what a black hole is to astronomy. Come to the Light side of the Force. You’ll be much happier over here.
boy this guy needs therapy! as for democrats they just cant get full power with out showing how mean nasty and just disgisting. dean is their poster boy! to democrats every one is wrong we are right so screw you!. i just hope voters remember this come nov 2010.
I did not know there were this many working brains in the People’s Democratic Socialist Republic of Oregon.
LL/http://oregonmag.com
Aaron: Does Sweden allow unfettered immigration? If they do and you want to move, I’ll pick up your airfare. It should be cheaper than feeding, housing, clothing and nursing you from now on. Socialism is not the endgame, it never has been. You speak of the library as though you have spent a great deal of time reading, yet you seem to painfully ignorant of some of history’s more famous socialist, Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler, Fidel Castro and Benito Mussolini, just to name a few. What do you think feudalism was, if not a form of forced collectivism. What do read in the library anyway, People magazine?
I’m with Frank 9:50 am
“narrow-minded and near-sighted”
Typical…rabid name calling from the usual suspects for the usual reason.
What a surprise! :0
If “communitarianism” is an inherent part of human nature, why does it need to be dictated/forced on us by government?
Mr. Dean for you to say that Obama is this generations JFK is insulting to a great President and war hero. JFK stood for liberty and freedom “ask not what the country do for me, ask what I can do for my country” that was JFK. Your Obama has it backwards and is destroying everything JFK fought for and believed in. Mr. Dean JFK was part of my generation, “Obama is no JFK”.
Hey America, some of us in Vermont really want to apologize for giving you the likes of Leahey, Sanders and Dean. Please forgive us but it’s the only way to get them out of VT.
Nest time someone talks to Dean, ask him if he is going to share his wealth. I understand that all the libs with money are writing checks to balance out the wealth in the country. Soros, Oprah, etc are just jumping for joy this holiday season because they get to share their wealth. By the first of the year we all will be rich. Right. Doesnt it seem strange that the billions given out by Obama has gone to rich people and rich corporations. Congress should be paid by the hour. Minimum wage sounds like a good starting point. Nah, that wont work. Congress would call an emergency meeting and raise the minimum wage to $1,000,000.00 and hour for all senators and Congress persons. See the deck is stacked. They can do what they want and we have to put up with their idiotic ideas till the next election cycle. Socialism, Isnt that where you have to stand in line to get toilet paper?
Can you believe this a$$hole is a doctor???
I couldn’t help but notice more than a few comments about right wing greed. I’m supposing that these comments are being made by those on the left. More and more I’m beginning to understand their definition of greed. It means someone is working harder and earning more, so he’s greedy. And they can’t understand why some on the right refer to them as “Bed-wetters”. What a world…
Many complex systems in the brain must work in harmony to produce mental health: a correct perception of reality and an appreciation of the inevitable subjectivity required, logic, a balance between self interest and the interests of others (morality), tolerance of cognitive dissonance, humility in balance with confidence, etc., etc. Howard Dean’s tortured convoluted and obsessional thinking demonstrates again the mental imbalances which are so typical of liberals. These lovers of nuance are almost always simpleminded dangerous loudmouth boobs like Dean, Kerry, Gore, Obama, all of whom would be a real menace in an actual situation where meaningful work is required.
Howard Dean is nuttier than a Snickers bar.
What an unmitigated idiot! And he was the Democrat party’s darling not long ago. The darkness in Dean’s and his ilks’ souls is glaring! I pity their misguided evil ways…. yes… evil!
This whole generation of lefty “leaders” has gone totally insane. How ungrateful are these people, to have so many sacrifice through the generations to pass this gift of America on to the next generations, only to have arrogant, impudent little trolls like this ruin it for everybody? How selfish and ungrateful can someone be?
You’re right Howard. It is over. You lose, live with it.
It’s the same with all these dumbass Hollywood liberal types, the Michael Moores and the Sean Penns. They have all benefited greatly from capitalism and the free market, now that they are rich as hell they are all about socialism and spreading the wealth around, as long as it isnt their wealth….
Rick, socialism is where the wealthy elitist give away other peoples money, not their own. But you are right about the toilet paper. About the congressional pay, with all the money and effort they spend to get elected, you’d think they would be willing to work for free, you know kinda like they want us to. That would be real communitarism! By the way I think the doctor just created another word. I think he meant to say collectivism.
The sad thing about this debate is WE the People, let Socialism slowly creep into our midst.
As we were working hard, encouraging our children to get a part time job at age 16, while they went to school so they could help pay for college, things started to change.
We lost the right to say a prayer in school if we wanted to.
We lost the right to say the Pledge to the flag
The band/choir teachers stopped teaching children the Star Spangled Banner, ever notice how many people don’t know the words when it is played?
We allowed one person in a town who didn’t like something to change our traditions.
We allowed the Supreme Court to say that the first Amendment regarding “Separation of Church and State” meant no religious anything near anything state run offices – if you read the Constitution it says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” This amendment was in there specifically to make sure that America did not create a religion like the King of England had (The Church of England). It had nothing to do with not allowing the 10 commandments from being displayed etc.
We allowed people who WHINED about a Nativity Scene to deny the majority of people who wanted it.
We allowed people who WHINED about the word Christmas being said, to silence our schools, stores etc.
We the People, allowed this and much more.
We did not insist that we are ALL Americans, cut and dry and that is it – no hybrid names. – Americans – People who are were born in Canada = Canadians, people who were born in Mexico = Mexicans, people in Russia = Russian etc so why aren’t we all Americans?
NOW WE THE PEOPLE must make a change in 2010. We can successfully remove approximately 1/3 of the Senate that voted for the Stimulus, the Health Care Bill that won’t begin to help the uninsured until 2014, the CRAP and Trade bill that will end up costing us more jobs and not improve our air since China and India and other nations won’t abide. We can also remove as many of the House of Representatives as we can. And guess what, in 2012 we can make another sweep. If the new House of Representatives that we elected doesn’t turn out, we can elect a new bunch. And we will also be able to remove another 1/3 of the Senate and possibly the President. That is the wonder of this all “We the People” are powerful when we put our votes together.
Many people fell for the Hope and Change, and why not – The Republicans did not do a very good job of keeping costs down. Now the party in power (who USED to be the party of the people) are WORSE then the Republicans.
America is the most compassionate and giving nation in the world and I think it has to do with the fact that we are able to be Capitalistic. We can be as rich as we want to be as long as we work hard and believe in ourselves and our families. We can chose what we do with our money, not have it taken away to be re-distributed. Ever notice in many of these Socialist countries there is a group at the top that enjoy ALL the comforts of life and don’t really care about the people who have little or nothing?
Between now and election day, call your Senator everyday and your Representative and let them know how you feel on how they are voting – if it’s good, let them know, if i’s bad – tell them to knock it off or they will be out in the next election.
Vote in 2010, call everyone in your address book, e-mail everyone in your address book, Tweet or whatever it is called to all your friends. Tell your family and the people you work with – We the People – deserve a better government and We the People are going to change that in 2010, 2012 or however long it takes. America is still the LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE. BE BRAVE – VOTE
this guy is, an always will be a idiot, i mean vermont?
I am really depressed these days with all that is going on in the United States and abroad. I fear that we are doomed for destruction. We are like frogs that have been put in a pot of water and placed on the flame of a stove and have been slowly cooking but we don’t realize it. I wish I was optimistic and I really want to be but all I feel inside of me is that something really bad is going to happen.
I am no longer a registered voter and I am done with politics because I’m sorry, I don’t see it working. I was born a Democrat, registered and voted as a Republican and I agree with the Libertarians. I don’t fit into any political agenda anymore and feel it is just all cardboard.
This current Marxist regime is fully backed by George “Satan” Soros, who hates America and the freedom it represented. Just to remind you all, Soros made his billions in the CAPITALIST sector of America, then turned on it so he could help destroy it. This is the “change” you idiot Dumocrats wanted? Keep drinking your kool-aid and we’ll all end up like Jim Jones’ group. It all ends the same with communism – Marx, Chavez, Achmedinejad, Castro – Tryanny! Americans need to wake up and rise up now!
Don’t forget folks, NAZI stood for National Socialist Party. Guess who’s in charge of America now?!! Thanks for the “Change” you friggin’ idiots!!
Revolt and take back America!! Freedom from the tyrants now!
Patient Dean! Patient Dean! Nurse Ratched calling for patient Dean!
Is he speaking in a restroom? 1:00? Sounds like someone flushed a urinal.
Obama is a marxist. It is time to impeach marxists from the US government. SCREAM at your representatives. Maybe they’ll trake the hint.
LB
ifucantvotethemoutthrowthemout
I am sorry that you feel that way. It is truly sad when someone gives up the right to vote. I will turn 60 next year and I won’t let them get me down.
My wonderful father used to say “If you don’t vote, you don’t have the right to complain” I love that saying because I always vote and always complain if I feel who I voted for turns out to be a dud. But I am always optimistic that someone new will come along and maybe do what I want them to do. This summer I have burned up the e-mails to my Senators and Representatives and called them and even used snail mail to let them know I won’t be voting for them. And I also tell them why. I also let my Senator know that I was sick on getting his basic form letter and I wanted him to answer the questions I asked him.
Please don’t give up. Register to vote, even if it is for one of the OFF Brand parties. Please just vote. America, despite what President Obama says, is worth saving. We don’t need to apologize to anyone.
Howard Dean wants just enough Capitalism to produce the amount wealth he needs to steal to ration among the lazy. Ridiculous.
You people voted Obama in, and now you want him out?
What’s a matter?
There is no turning back at this point. There is absolutely no difference between Democrats and Republicans.
The course has already been set for your demise
A true commie speaks. His leader is Obumma.
Lets do a run down of the Czars shall we….
http://www.riseupforamerica.com/meetyouczars.html
In the late 1920’s and early 1930’s there was a name for this exact philosophy. The philosophy, had many things that the people in charge today want. Chillingly so.
I don’t know if you heard of them…
Nationalsozialistische deutsche Arbeiter-Partei
People of the left, call the right, by that name.
But, Now you know, it is a far left wing radical group that ran and runs with it.
It’ll be over when all you Anti – American liberal idiots are thrown out of office in 2010, 2012.
Has Joe McCarthy been vindicated yet?
The man is an a–hole, a clown. I can’t find anything good to say about Dean. When he came into this world it wasn’t a birth it was a bowel movement.
The farmer and two cows definition of Communism, Socialism and Capitalism.
Communism: A farmer owns two cows, the government takes both cows and gives the people milk.
Socialism: A farmer owns two cows, the government take one cow and give the other to someone who have none.
Capitalism: A farmer owns tow cows, the government does nothing, the farmer sells one cow and buys a bull.
Margaret Thatcher said, “The trouble with Socialism is, sooner or later you run out of OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY”. And “Communist regimes were not some unfortunate aberration, some historical deviation from a socialist ideal. They were the ultimate expression, unconstrained by democratic and electoral pressures, of what socialism is all about. … In short, the state [is] everything and the individual nothing.” And then there’s this: “Socialism’s results have ranged between the merely shabby and the truly catastrophic – poverty, strife, oppression and, on the killing fields of communism, the deaths this century of perhaps 100 million people. Against that doctrine was set a contrary, conservative belief in a law-governed liberty. It was this view which triumphed with the crumbling of the Berlin Wall. Since then, the Left has sought rehabilitation by distancing itself from its past.”
Governor Dean is THE definition of ‘Idiot’.
It’s more fascist than socialist… not that one is better than the other. Kick Dear Leader ObaMao out along with all the rest of the trash in Congress. As for Howard Dean, maybe he can be Kevorkian’s apprentice.
But But But, Dean old boy, Socialism is a Political System. A bad one at that. Capitalism is an Economic System. How is it that the debate is over if one, Socialism, can not survive without Capitalism and Capitalism does not even know that Socialism exists?
Capitalism produces all measurable value. That is a definable objective truth.
And You are a definable moron. Dr. Dean. Doctor? What are you kidding me? Have you been putting your head in a brown paper bag on a regular basis? Are you doing ether balloons? I liked you a lot better when you were screaming at the top of your lungs at rallies, aaaaarrrrrrrggggggg
Now I know I am retiring in Thailand. Liberalism is a mental disorder and you can tell from the economy and from the incompetant stratedgy of Obama’s 18 month Afghanistan war. My Lord, how do these idiots get elected? We approach a war by dithering 4 months only to decide we are going to be there for 18 months! The Taliban and the al Qeuda are laughing their asses off. They will just pull back for eighteen months and then come back. How stupid can Obama be. He is playing to his commie anti-war cronies and trying to look good with moderates. What incompetance!
The truth finally comes out. What this weed and his coharts don’t understand is that we are NOT the coward pussies of the former Soviet Union. We will not allow this. A critical point will occur (apprently soon) that the very fabric of America becomes a life or death confrontation. And history has proved, time and time again, that Americans will not accept the commie solicalist BS this weed and his band of cowards are trying to force upon us. I look forward to the day we have this traitor behind bars.
Remember the Alamo! 185 against 5,000.
This guy needs to have his IQ tested and the results published so nobody ever gives him a soapbox again.
The time it had to come…We knew it all along…et al.
Death to communism, socialism, facisim.
I actually don’t totally disagree with this jackass. Pure capitalism results in social darwinism, which means one megacorporation stiffles out all other businesses then charges the public whatever it wants, thereby ending the free market. This country holds a free market above pure capitalism. We do what it takes to insure there is competition, and protect against monopolies that would use their size to abuse the public. We have an FTC, the Sherman Acts, and the Robison-Pattman acts and all place limits capitalism that Karl Marx himself would approve (though he would go much farther).
Americans are much better at limiting the destructive aspects of capitalism within our own borders than we are abroad, where the FTC has no jurisdiction and the multinationals engage in behavior that would never be tolerated here.
Relativity – a theory, the science is fairly settled
Quantum mechanics – a theory, the science is fairly settled
Big bang – not really THAT much of an issue
Evolution – a theory, the science is overwhelmingly settled
Gravity – a theory, the science is overwhelmingly settled
X Rays – a theory, the science is also overwhelmingly settled
- – – – – – – – – – – – – – -
Global warming – a theory, the science is overwhelmingly settled on the overall theory, while fairly settled on the man-made argument, EVEN DESPITE the so-called climate gate
Capitalism vs. socialism – not really related, but hilarious that Andy in Beaverton pointed it out.
Cherry picking is my favorite pastime, too.
Same thing Al Gore said about Globe warming. Both before the Debate
Think we need to open a good old fashioned capitalist can of whoop -ass on little old Howard Dean !!! BE INTOLERANT !!
Let there be no confusion – it is possible to be a medical doctor AND to be a complete moron at the same time. It also reminds me of the bromide – “doctor – heal thyself!!”. We need to keep this guy on center stage all the way to the 2010 elections to keep reminding Americans exactly why we need an abrupt change of direction in Washington. Howard is among the dems who demonstrate the “gift that keeps on giving”.
The “permanent campaign”. Doesn’t it make you sick and tired?
Isn’t footing the bill on tax payers for these “campaigns” illegal? I mean seriously, why won’t these Statists leaders talk like this in public here?
it is because of people like Howard dean that this country is in a state of war. it is a Cold Civil war but it is war just the same. if you do your homework you will quickly come the realization that this group of people who have gained control of our government and it is our government are completely intent on enslaving you or exterminating you and destroying the Constitution and our nations sovereignty.
Get up off your bellies and start with making sure this insane Sick Care bill does not pass by harrassing your legislators in Washington with phone calls and emails. They plan on giving illegal invaders complete health care and adding to the 50,000,000 dead by paying for Abortion. If you protect life at any stage, logically you must protect it at the 1st moment. They plan on forcing the completely debunked fraud of Global Warming, Climate Change on the nation with Cap and Trade and they have every intention of keeping the nation on it’s ass using every leftist trick in the Chicago Political book.
This government is the enemy of your Freedom and Liberty and the sooner you realise it and start speaking up the less likely the cold Civil War will turn hot.
Death to Tyrants and Corrupt Politicians
The above is an opinion expressed under the protections of the 1st and 2nd Amendments as Ratified Jan 15, 1791
Howard Dean is a certifiable moron. YEEEAAAHHHHH!!!!
Thorazine must have worn off this babbling idiot.
make your lists and engrave their names on the bullets.
100mm armed americans vs 350 members of congress and their families.
This guy’s a moron! He must have gotten his MD out of a Cracker-Jack box.
France, please keep him.
Let’s call capitalism by the name which makes sense –free market. A market free of coercion and deceit. Dean and other morons can then argue that free choice is a bad idea for Americans and that morons like him can make choices for them.
I thought this guy had gone into permanent hiding after his embarrasing psycho drama…it’s too bad he found a way out of oblivion.
Da**it Howard, you’re a doctor not an economist!
Don’t forget in all this happiness to trash Dean that Congress is getting ready to bork us all (again) with Obamacare. Keep calling the Sen.: 202-224/225-3121.
Fortunately, there’s plenty of rope and trees in this country to hang these communists.
Dean still sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MISS ME YET?
As a retired MD (surgeon) I am ashamed that this blathering, tight-mouthed nitwit is part of my profession. I have met my share of fools who are also doctors but he takes the cake. Of course, he will be a commissar under the new regime. Heil Dean!
The debate as to whether or not congress is full of crooks is over!
http://livingfortruth.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/questions-need-to-be-answered-in-health-care-debate/
Let me state this in clear and concise words. Howard Dean is a socialist to the core of his soul. He believes that socialism is a morally superior form of human interaction. This is patently false. Socialism is an afront to the Church which is where the concept of communal living began some 2000 years ago. The difference Howard is the Bishops of the Church didn’t force the people to give their belongings for redistribution by force. The people willingly gave up their possessions on their own to lead a life of humility and love to Jesus the Son of God. Jesus was the Lord God not socialism and a State. The state doesn’t have deified status as you and your minions so much wish you had.
Let me also say insofar as economic ideology is concerned, a socialist in todays world is a patent hypocrite. The concept of trickle down economics is proven to be true by the fact that you can read this comment on the internet. Socialism didn’t create computers capitalism did. This is a very apparent matter. Ronald Reagan was absolutely correct asserting that trickle down economics is true, you can also ask the Ford family for their opinion. Surely Henry Ford proved that trickle down economics true.
well, I won’t say I won’t fight for my FREEDEOM….mmmmm…..seems these days it’s hard to find folks who will???
Another fine examlpe of the stupid leading the way for the blind while the thieves steal their hard earned cash! Deaan is the prime example why we conservatives jsut ned to start arresting and jailing these leftwing kooks and place them in a mental hopsital. They are all either mentally insane or they criminals liable for committing fraud on several issues, but global warming stands out loudand clear now and yet mental midgits like Dean keep pushing the Obama/Gore line that we’ll all die if we don’t do something right now! Al Gore works for the UN and si actively trying to destory America so he can pocket large sums of cash! Obama is workingt o destory this country as well and needs to be impeached along with his whole staff and czars. Gore is committing treason and if I were incharge he’d be shot for treason. Bronner would be jailed for life for committing fraud while trying to skim off millions for her own company while working for the American public. Maybe Dean can hang out with Mathews and have an accident right along with him. It sure would help improve the country! Wake Up america! Tratitors and thieves don’t belong in our government or even close to the government! Refuse to follow Obama and Gore over the edge to obilivian! Stand up and fight for your rights, for your families rights! The elites are living in dreamworld and we need to shatter their dreams along with thy’re careers and personal finaice! Wake Up America1 If they don’t lie to you they can’t line their pockets with your money! Get the USA out of the UN and the UN out of the USA! Take Al Gore and Howard Dean with them, minus our money of course!
Obamanation December 1st, 2009 – 9:55 am States: “Dear Mr. Dean
the debate between Capitalism and socialism will be over when the 90 million legal gun owners in this country say it is and not before.”
Amen brother, Amen. I’ll bump this all year long!
This was never a debate between Capitalism and Socialism. It is and always will be a battle for freedom and against tyranny.
Damn….I’m ready to fight for what my Daddy did….where are my brothers???
hey, I’m goin to bed….SONGMAN is my handle on all these blogs…..let’s get on board with reality??…is there is a time for insurrerction??…ask Jefferson…come ome on folks….don’t ya see it yet?
Conservative moro1ns farting in this forum,
Will you give up your social security and medicare? No way!!
Frikking baffoons will go ga-ga here about free-trade and then go to wal-mart and buy cr*ap made in communist china while mouthing against communism.
American fools, your leader Bush and the vegetable-brain Reagan bankrupted the country. Since you were fools, you were taken for a ride with the demolition of berlin wall.
It looks like Cold-war which was temporarily halted with the demise of soviet union was won by the chinese. No point in blaming Obama, as he didn’t do it in 10 months, it was facilitated by your conservative leaders since 1968. The man with Ayn-Rand fetish, Greenspan, ensured that the economy was thoroughly destroyed.
Howard Dean said dead people will vote Democrat no matter who gets the nomination
yaaaaahheeeeeeeeeeoooooooooooooa
What up with this looozer dope
yeeeeeeooooooooo
The ONLY good thing about this crooked, pathetic, arrogant administration and the goon squad in congress is that they are collectively (pun intended) waking up the heartland. The one thing that a bunch of pigs like this cannot survive is an awakened America.
We will take the house and congess back, from ALL of the socialists and the RINO schmucks who are helping destroy this once proud and great nation. There will be a reckoning. This great country is the only hope for a civilized and free world, and we the people shall not stand by and watch it be destroyed by the socialist left.
No more PC. No more multiculturalism. No more SEIU. No more ACORN. No more ACLU. No more trials of Al Qaeda enemy combatants on U.S. soil. No more crap and trade. No more spending my grandkids future. No more redistribution of wealth. No more communist czars in the WH. No more teaching our kids to hate America.
Freedom, liberty, capitalism. Limited government. Oh, and most importantly, under God. Deal with it atheists.
Well dean is right about the younger generation (mine) and culture. we just dont give a crap about race and multicultural things. my friends and i prefer to sit back and just laugh at the babyboomers continue to duke it out at each other like its still the 60s or something. we look at each other and go: why is jessie jackson picking fights with everyone… no disrespect to the boomers but as the years progress i think racism will slowly begin to die off, as they take their ideaology with them.
Hey Howard,
Just another example of how the left, and specifically you. Do not understand capitalism.
It’s not capitalism if socialism is involved at all. Socialism is the destruction of aspect of capitalism by design.
Capitalism has built in safe guards, built in even-flow. It’s beautifully complete in it’s comprehensiveness in it’s natural form. But socialism is a man made theory based system of artificial actions. In which those actions are designed specifically to tear down the safe guards of capitalism. Particularly many of the negative consequences of greed. I know you don’t understand that, mostly because like I said, you don’t understand capitalsim.
When socialist policies are involved in an otherwise capitalist system, the results can not be called a capitalist result. Because the fundimentals of capitalism are no longer in play, the safeguards.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Calling Dr. Howard Dr. Fine Dr. Howard…..
Now if only the “media” will acknowledge dean’s words and the democrats for what they are: socialists.
Many of my father’s buddies died fighting fascism and communism. To quote a Founding Father: “The Tree of Liberty must be periodically watered with the blood of Patriots and tyrants alike.” T. Jefferson
We may almost be at that point.
communitarianism’ Isn’t that like code for communism. What the hell did we elect the enemy.
People in this country so conditioned against any idea of “communal living” that they are unable to see these issues clearly. “Socialism” now has such a strong negative connotation that conservatives use the word as an insult in itself, much like the word “liberal.” But it is not an insult in itself, and it is not an inherently bad thing unless taken to the extreme. The truth is, socialism in its purest form is an inefficient system because it takes away the competition from economic activity. However, capitalism results in people being treated unfairly and a large percentage of wealth being possessed by a small percentage of the population. For this reason, Dean was totally right when he said the only issue is how much socialism and how much capitalism we should have. But conservatives in this country are so predisposed against any idea of communal living that we cannot even have the debate. Medicare, the post office, and the public education system are all socialist programs. Without some socialism in society people will be taken advantage of and treated unfairly. While we do want to maintain economic freedom and competition, even most conservatives would concede that we should have SOME social health programs in the government. If you concede this, or if you advocate something like Medicare or federal college scholarships, then you concede that at least a small degree of socialism is needed. So in order to have the debate that Dean is talking about we first need to move past the predisposition against the word and concept of “socialism.”
The only folks that take this guy seriously are the socialist media, totally ignorant reporters and complete idiots in the socialist(demoncrat)
party. A previous comment made by “Frank” is correct. The only thing that may save us is an invasion by aliens. I’m sorry, I forgot, our present government has already been taken over by aliens. When is the talk going to stop and the revolution start?
Jackass!
I’ve never laughed so hard at a goverment official not knowing the differences of the basic types of economies.
Ten thousand years or so ago, Ogg broke his leg while on a Mammoth hunt. He couldn’t hunt anymore, but he was good at knapping flint spear points and making spears. So Ogg would take a rock, a stick, and some sinew, add value to them by his labor, and trade the spear to the hunters for meat and hides. This was a good deal for the hunters, since they could spend more time in the field, or on whatever they wanted. When Ogg made a spear, it was HIS- and he could do whatever he wanted with it. The free exchange of value for value is natural. It took Civilization to tell Ogg’s descendants that “property is theft.”
Howard Dean is a bonafide pantywaist.
What’s more family oriented than Communitarianism?
What is really funny is that they made light of Sarah Palin because she was governor of a small state. But they grant this guy serious credibility – and Vermont is a smaller state full of either New York transplants or former extras for the movie Deliverance. Has anybody here ever been to Vermont? I am not talking about the ski resorts, I am talking about the low income housing and places where the poor live. It is a tragic example of the tyranny of liberals and how they really feel about the underclass. I think the only restraint Liberals have are conservatives, for if they had no restrain, they would murder all of people in the underclass. Go to Vermont and visit the poor areas. And you would never vote for a liberal democrat again!
Pity the Democraps are too stupid to understand that certain things are diametrically opposed and simply cannot exist within the same framework. Socialism and Capitalism; anybody and Islam; fire and dynamite…some things just don’t work together. But, then, that would require a bit more intelligence…kind of like Democraps and intelligence. And Mr. Dean….the posterboy for Prozac.
Bizarro world, had 10 minute argument with vapid liberal egghead about how great a President Jimmy pass me the peanuts Carter was!!!! now i know where doomed!!!Don’t underestimate just how completely stupid these people are!Even with a Government take over of corporate America, Banks, the health care system,and higher taxes this Goofball and all his commie, socialism loving followers could still get him a second term.Remeber Its all Bush’s fault! wait for next question and repeat.
This the true face of the Democrat party, the face they have been trying to hide for years, scary. Our only hope is 2010…
Soooooo….The blog is fun and stuff to vent…when do we start doing something to oppose these idiots? If we don’t kick these people out of office, the ballots will turn into bullets because many are going to have enough
His medication has worn off. Whew…
Does the average American have any clue as to what socialism even means?? I am from Canada, we are not even a socialist state! Why is it we have to put up with so much accusatory crap from south of the border??
We’re home to:
a) regional tax rates lower than many US states
b) home to Fortune Mag’s fastest growing company – can you say Blackberry?
c) home to universal access to health care where on average we live 3 YEARS LONGER than Americans (and no, its no the cold air that slows our blood flow)
d) With regard to c) by the way, 77% of us would much rather have OUR health care system.
e) Teachers who make up to $90k a year and students who rank tops in the world in math and science.
f) A small lobby interest thanks to limiting contributions to federal parties to 5 grand, we excised lobby industry OUT OF GOVERNMENT, your lobby industry in Washington is larger than the government itself!
The biggest crime in America today is ignorance and the stupid belief that Governments can’t deliver. It is such a sham and in the meantime you allow your government to sell out to special interest and then blame government – blame yourselves for allowing this structure to continue!!
Great democracies actually exist outside of America’s borders. We took Hitler on three years before you did!
Can we all stop the idiots from speaking,start at the top,,ok.this guy is a baffon on steroids.
Who is this fool to be declaring anything. He knows nothing and no one listens to him. Why does the national media continue to give him a forum to spout his idiotic thoughts.
That certainly proves the left lean of the national media. No one in their right mind listens to anything he says. Jeez, let the loser fade into the sunset. The national media declared the debate on the climate over, now look what is happening. Get rid on Dean and get rid of the stupid assed media.
Someone really needs to kick that crazy SOB in the balls!
What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
This guy is an idiot. Pompous elitist wind bag.. Hey Howie Clown College called you’re the valedictorian AGAIN.. congratulations you d-bag…
I can’t wait for 2012 and this clown college graduate will be on MSLSD with the LIAR Keith Blowberman and Spitmaster Chris “my leg is wet from Obambi” matthews..
WHINING like a beeyatch.. To PMSNBC where only idiots from the Huff and puff post and Spews Week go to babble..
I hope Howard Dean all he deserves like a foot up his candy a$$
Is there a bigger tool???
He is irrelevant and ignorant
I’d love to toss fists with this idiot…
Hey Howie you candy A$$ east coast clown college honors student grow a pair be a man.. but like ALL liberals he is a coward a meek milquetoast WUSS.. bite me libbys.. all of you especially you Obambi supporters drink the kool aid come Jan 2013 he is GONE BY BY Barry Sotoro.. Mooslim manchurain candidate..
EVER THINK THAT YOU WISH HILLARY HAD WON???
Racism+slavery+greed+hedonism+War+Reality TV+ the collapse of the financial market+half of our country being obese+debt+9/11+Fear+Hate+Opulence+mundane pop culture+Wimps+babies+wussies+pussies+school shootings+Republicans+Democrats+ led paint in toys+Independents+Libertarians+decadence+Evil+the devil+abortion+more racism+inequality+stupidity+inconsistency
=CAPITALISM (or anti-freedom)
As for Socialism…we’ll we really don’t know because we have been saturated in all of the above since 1776, believing it to be an absolute truth and core of the known universe, where we preside over everyone and everything… and anything that is out of line with the above run-on, basic math problem is perverse weird or worth stoning someone to death over, or having someone else do it for us by convincing that person that the “other” is a traitor or a terrorist, a communist or a fag.
Dennisinohio: 10:26 post instant breitbart classic.
Nothing radical here. He’s talking about a mixed economy (mix of laissez faire markets with government regulation). The question (at least in America) has always been how much of either system to have. As for the permanent campaign, both parties do it. Let’s not be naive alarmists who look for coded language like conspiracy theory losers. I can’ stand Dean…I’m a libertarian Conservative, but I’m tired of the Glenn Beck/Sara Palin conservatives. Most of them are dolts who parrot whatever they hear on the radio or read on Drudge.
Seriously, we really, reeeally, REALLY need to stuff jagoffs like ol’ Dean-Oh back into the crawlspaces they slimed out of, and not let them up out of the primordial ooze again until they manage to work up to some useful brain-cells that aren’t saturated with this kind of bull-bumpf…
They’ve long outrun their always-marginal grasp of reality, and Obamanation-worship is preventing them from any possible evolution into above-paramecium-level reasoning power.
Back into the darkness and dampnesses, until they can demonstrate a consciousness-level of greater depth than a sidewalk puddle on a sunny day.
To Mr. “Che-t”, put out your bong and crack open a history book. Socialism is, always has been and always will be a total failure.
As an intelligent freedom loving person, as you must be, it is unimaginable that you would want
to embrace that which will destroy you.
Anybody notice the guy next to him at the beginning of the video with the HUGE basket? What is that about, are the sixties back?
I truly believe an honest election will be very hard to come by ever again. The coruption is to the core. Democrats will do whatever needs to be done to hold on to the power they now throw around so carelessly. We can work hard at the local level. With God’s help we will get over this phase in our nation’s history.
Y A W N ! Just another Useful Idiot from the Far Left Wing Cesspool. This Twit is SO tedious!
Dean is right, the debate is over! Socialism is dead, along with the Libturd morons espousing it as any kind of viable system! No Socialist/Communist dictatorship for America! Bye Bye Commie Libturds! 2010 and 2012 is the end for your decrepit party!
Dean is right – the debate is over. Socialism sucks.
Eric: Nothing radical, taking over banks, healthcare, energy, attempting to stifle political opinion, card check, amnesty for illegal aliens, grade school kids singing songs of worship, clear disdain toward capitalism and the U.S. Constitution. You are neither a libertartian nor a conservative, and your Palin/Beck slam are a dead giveaway.
He’s lying. Again. Howard Dean will never consider the debate between capitalism and socialism to be over until we are 100% socialist.
Fine, he’s openly declared himself and his party Socialist, which we knew anyway, but now baby, it’s OFFICIAL.
We the People, charge you with a crime of Treason. We find you guilty, by your own admission. Your sentence? Your ass needs to be hanged, along with the rest of your scum friends and associates.
Stay away from my part of the country Dean….your ass won’t make it out again if you come.
Forget Joe Biden…if Howard Dean were any dumber, he’d be Barack Hussein Obama! It only took 6 months for Obama to become the worst president in history…worse than Carter, worse than Clinton, and worse than Andrew Johnson!
Lest we forget, the bailouts weren’t invented by the Democrats. NAFTA was signed into law by Clinton, and Bush signed CAFTA. This isn’t about socialism, communism or partisan politics. It’s about corporate power and globalist economics. It’s about the biggest transfer of wealth in history, from the American People to the ultra-wealthy via their corporations. Many politicians either don’t have a clue, or they’re in the pocket of a corporation or six. Know what the health care debate is all about? It’s not about a government takeover; it’s not about protecting our right to make our own insurance choices… it’s about protecting the insurance companies’ stranglehold on the public wallet! They’re making more money than ever before, and delivering less services for that money!
Yet here we are, quibbling about silly labels like “socialism,” which are a purposeful distraction from the real issues. (And ALL GOVERNMENTS are socialist to some extent. It’s a stupid argument!) Corporate cash bathes Washington, so they legislate accordingly. When are you gonna stop worrying about guys like Dean, who is playing the un-winnable semantic game that the think tanks have given him (you always lose when your opponents frame the argument) and instead get mad about the REAL problem? But I guess one must be aware of it first…
Politicians like Dean, Pelsosi, Reid, Schumer, Daschle, Holdren, Obama, Kerry, Kennedy, etc. are EXACTLY the people our founding fathers had in mind….when they wrote the second amendment.
To Comrade DJStuCrew – Oh, you mean those evil corporations like GM that Obama bought for example? Those evil corporations that EMPLOY people? As to your lame declaration that health care reform is to stop the “stranglehold on the public wallet” – are you or are you not right now FREE to NOT buy health insurance? Perhaps you missed the part in the bill that says they can THROW YOU IN JAIL FOR NOT BUYING INSURANCE. It’s FACT that even liar Obama wouldn’t deny. The health care reform bill is NOT about ‘health care’ at all – it’s about CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL.
Unbridled capitalism is a thing we have not seen for a considerable period of time in America and where it has been hampered by the predations of socialist parasitism it has been constricted in productivity and economic growth. The success of American capitalism may be found in it’s ability to survive a sublimation of greed but socialism is based on the capitalization of envy. The problem for Dean’s attempts to implement socialism is that the American public by and large has an investment in capitalism and a perception of having too much to lose in submission to the agenda of our Maoist-progressives. One might ask why we need to kill the golden goose simply to provide a fried chicken dinner to the too often willfully unproductive?
Get a grip, folks! Anyone with half a brain KNOWS that we’ve got a mixed economy. And that’s been true since LONG before Obama was born. Sheesh!
I had hoped this worthless excuse for a human had gone to “YeeHaww” heaven already, but, apparently not. What a Dip! Anyone else notice the resemblence between Dean and Biden? Maybe Biden had an affair and out popped Dean! That would certainly do a lot to explain his Stupidity!
WOW–ISN’T AMERICA AWAKE Y-E-T ?????
WHAT’S IT GONNA TAKE????
I hadn’t realized Dean was still alive…
WAKE UP, FOLKS December 2nd, 2009 – 4:57 am
WOW–ISN’T AMERICA AWAKE Y-E-T ?????
WHAT’S IT GONNA TAKE????
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A mushroom cloud I’m afraid!!!
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“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.” – Mahatma Ghan
Truly frightening.
That statement about “multi-culturalism” is so typical of the left. They are obsessed with race. If race is a non-issue to the younter generation then why are you telling us about a person who told you the race of their parents. We’re you asking them, “hey, you look mixed race, where are your parents from?”
I just have one thing to say to these dolts running the modern-day Dummocrat Party: SEIG HEIL!!!
What else will it take for people to understand that most of you Obamabots were suckered into
supporting this bunch and refused to listen to everything that was coming out about them? How many
more gestapo-minded folks will parade their true colors for all to see if they just open their eyes
and ears and PAY ATTENTION to what is happening? Keep hope (yes, I said HOPE) alive for 2010 that
enough people will have woken up to this fact and dump this bunch from the congressional leadership
… and, of course, should the GOP win, I dearly hope they win it on the issues and don’t allow
themselves to fall prey again to power-hungriness and stick with their core principles.
PALIN-JINDAL 2012!!!
Socialism and Atheism
The democrats are not only Socialists, but also Atheists.
There is a cultural war in America between Christians and Atheists. This war is being fought on the battlefield of politics. The battles are in the voting booth. The prize in the cultural war is the hearts, minds and souls of the children. The Atheistic liberal news media greatly influences both domestic and foreign policy by constantly reporting only bad news about Christians, Conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats. The agenda of the Atheistic liberal news media is to promote evolution, extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, adultery, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle by having democrats in control of government.
When compared to perfection, Republicans did not look good, but when compared to democrats, Republicans look brilliant. Without the propaganda support of the Atheistic Liberal News Media the democrats would look ridicules.
AND NOW! Straight from the Peoples Republic of Vermont, our stand-up stand-in for tonite!
HOOWWWARD!! DEAN!!!!!!!!!
what a dick!
howard dean, al gore, jimmy carter etc etc etc
who cares what irrelevant has been politicians have to say?
Over 68 million voted for Obama the halfrican non-American muslim. Howard Dean speaks for the large following of low IQ poorly educated blood sucking looters called democrats.
Was this speech before or after his lobotomy?
My favorite Russian Proverb:
“Socialism is the road one takes to get from capitalism back to capitalism.
Darn,This appears to vindicate Mr.Nixon,he was trying to protect free America from enemies within.
A similar type of progressive liberal double speak was done not all that long ago. Oh yeah, Al Gore. Do you remember people. How all the science was in, and the debate was over. And look what happened.
Do I need to say more.
Progressive liberals are destroying all countries with their holier than thou attitudes.
Wanting more is not “greed”. This is not some finite pie that if I take a second piece I have taken someone else’s.
Why has there ever been any doubt what the agenda of Mr. Dean and his fellow Democrats has been?
Dean is just outlining the same economic model of China–that Communist country. China became the superpower it is by implementing Capitalist centers into it’s Communist model.
The Democrats are running cover for a Chinese take-over of the American system. After all, we are in debt to China–people like Bill Clinton saw to that when he opened China as a permanent trading partner. The Chinese donated millions and millions to Obama’s campaign. Now, our dear leaders, are priming us for the same economic model which has as it’s ultimate goal: Communist takeover. Although I am sure there are many in government/entertainment that are being used as unwitting “tools” of the State. But out eyes are opening and God is on the side of truth and justice. We shall prevail. Have faith.
Wow. All you goofs blaming freedom and free markets need to dig a little deeper. Ain’t nothing free market. All markets have been hijacked for the benefit of various constituencies of greed and self-entitlement, all who use the force of government to make others bend to their will. What you feel bending you over is not the free market, but rather the force of government twisting the economy to some perverse, Frankenstein state. Yes, that’s your banking system — a government big bank partnership that confers the power to counterfeit on banks, which comes out of your pocket and causes bubbles and busts. Yes, that’s your health system that can’t seem to get itself straight. None of it is free market. It is horribly regulated, and it is twisted to benefit the powerful… That’s all created by Govt, not by free market competitions, you ding-a-lings!
Dean will sing like a Bird at Gitmo…waterboarded to determine his One True God: Mao!
Is it just me, or does this guy look a LOT like Lee Harvey Oswald??? Guess it’s the smirk.
Arrest and Prosecution for Fraud, destruction of property, economies and corporations…and our millions upon millions of job losses…these EnviroTerroisits are al qaeda…these democrats are Maoists….democrapps are liars and traitors. Arrest and Execution. EXECUTION!!! End this ObamaNation the Old Fashioned Way…
Dumbobama is not a socialist or even a communist. He is a fascist (words mean things). He maintains a philosophy that exalts government above the individual. He promotes a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, imposing severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. Virtually no one supports fascism. If we would just call the kettle black his approval ratings would be <5%, where they should be. Can you try a President for treason or do you have to Lincolnize him?
Henry Zecher December 1st, 2009 – 9:56 am
Actually, while I have no use for Howard Dean, he is correct. Socialism is basically government controlling the means of the distribution of money. Therefore, Social Security and Medicare are Socialist, and we have had a mixed economy for decades. Communism is a Command economy, where the government determines what people want and need. It obviously has never worked because bureaucrats cannot determine what people want or need. Total Capitalism is the Demand economy where the free market determines, but in the Industrial Revolution the tycoons and robber barons ruled, and again the poor suffered. In between are the various mixtures of the two, which works, because the helpless, needy, insane, etc., need to be taken care of, and can be by a wise government. Unfortunately, a wise government is something we will never have.
You mean like their current health care proposal which forces everyone into a single payer system? And before you spew any BS about “you can keep what you have if you like it”, that statement is completely false and not one person will be on any other type of health care once all of the trap doors and pitfalls are implemented which will drive the private insurance companies out of business.
Thoams Jefferson; said what needed to be done to tyrants. P.O.S.
“and the crowd went wild”
What other new innovations have come from Obama?
I thought it was pretty normal growing up with in a multicultural
America of the 1970’s. Not the good Doctor and his F’d up generation.
Can someone from his generation speak on their behalf instead?
Once again, I’m being told the debate is over and it hasn’t even started.
Howie Dean is proof that excrement can and does walk and live among us!
ONE SOLUTION:
In 2010:
VOTE ‘EM OUT!!!
ALL OF THEM!!!!!
Cap and Trade Congress in 2010!!!!!
PALIN/BACHMANN 2012………CHANGE YOU WILL BE BEGGING FOR!!!!
NOW THAT THE MARXISTS ARE IN CONTROL THEY THINK THE SHEEP WILL FOLLOW. THE GOOD THING IS THAT LIBERALS HATE GUNS AND CONSERVATIVES OWN ALL THE GUNS.
Was that the sound of a toilet flushing while he was talking? It must have been because he was spouting such sewage:o(
Howard Dean is the poster boy for mental disorders. How did this guy ever become a doctor? He must have gotten his degrees in the same way Obama got his. From the University of Nondisclosure.
This man is a complete moron!! The sad fact remains as long as the democrats are in office we will become more and more socialist. With each and every new bill they have passed we succumb more and more. What is even worse is when voted out, NOT 1 REPUBLICAN WILL HAVE THE BALLS TO STAND UP AND TRY TO REPEAL THESE SOCIALIST PROGRAMS.
Nikita Khrushchev:
“We can’t expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism.”
Couldn’t have been said better.
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!
Wow. Can this guy command a crowd or what?
He’s in France, with an audience of what, 7? And one guy with a mobile phone camcorder.
RRRAAAAAUUUGGGHHH!
We’re getting closer to the European model…great. This clown was governor of a state that is going down fast. Everything is beat up in Vermont. The young people are leaving so fast that the bureaucrats have gone to Boston area colleges to beg Vermont students to stay in Vermont if they are guaranteed jobs. I don’t know how that will work in the long run, since it is an anti-business state. You can’t post bill boards on the highways, so no one knows what’s off the exits. Exit 20, off rte. 89 in New Hampshire, is packed with Vermont shoppers. It’s where all the major chains are located (tax base, jobs) and no sales tax. Of course, on the Vermont state INCOME tax form, you are trusted to claim additional TAX liability as a “use tax”. And this past summer,
“The State of Vermont has once again declared a sales tax holiday on August 22, 2009 to give Vermont’s economy a boost and Vermonters a much-needed summer bonus. During the tax holiday non-business purchases of items up to $2,000 will be exempt from state sales tax except automobiles and other vehicles. This includes Energy Star-rated appliances costing $2,000 or less.
Exemptions include:
1. Amusement charges (charges for admissions to shows or recreation facilities) and charges for telecommunications services are subject to the sales tax but are not sales of tangible personal property.
2. Purchases by corporations, partnerships or other business entities continue to be taxed. Also, purchases such as building materials purchased by contractors or office supplies used in a business are taxed even if the purchaser is an individual sole proprietor.
3. Purchases of items with selling price over $2,000. In this case the entire charge, including the first $2,000 is subject to tax.
Learn more about the Vermont Tax Free Day at taxfreevt.com.”
WOW…One whole day…Yep, Vermont’s got a great future.
Just think, once we vote out most of the Democrats in Congress and Obama, they will have to then get on the
goverment plan of healthcare like the rest of us.
@Rexter 12/1 – 9:24
don’t worry – it would only take one course in introductory economics to disabuse you of your misunderstandings of the gains from trade – actually less than that – you could cut every class after the one on comparative advantage. Er…wait…maybe you might need a bit more time…
I used to work in the public accounting arena and the WORST money managers I ever encountered were doctors! And the proof of my contention is that sterling economist and butthole, Howard Dean.
Why is it that whenever I look at this dimwit, I think his head is going to explode?
“diversity” and “multi-culturalism” is a jewish divide and rule strategy.
The browning dysgenics of America is what makes this place a kosher hellhole.
psycho Dean’s lack of vocabulary assures him of a place where he is because he surrounded by bigger idiots so he becomes the joke while others hide behind him – what an idiot – you lefties have provoked the beginning of this thing not the end of it
The interestting thing that most seemed to have missed was the banner advertisemtn on the bottom of the video for Vaseline products. Talk about impeccible timing and product placement.
you people are idiots we have always had a mixed economy since taxation itself is a “socialist” policy. are you really arguing for no tax and no libraries, public schools, mail, federal reserve or regulation of any kind? obviously no
We had better start looking at this. Ezekial Emmanuel speaks of it. Start googling communitarian ism
“Emanuel’s thesis adviser at Harvard was Prof. Michael Sandel, a noted communitarian who has argued that our political debates bracket gut-level values to our detriment. Emanuel writes in the tradition of a communaritan who believes that procedural liberalism — the reigning philosophy of government today — does not allow for priorities among health care services because it “cannot appeal to a conception of the good.” Emanuel writes: “But without appealing to a conception of the good, it is argued, we can never establish priorities among health care services and define basic medical services.” Emanuel sketches out a “civic Republicanism” telos — that is — our health care decisions as a society should be yoked to a system that “promote the continuation of the polity-those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberations-are to be socially guaranteed as basic.” He notes that such a system would deny “services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens.” ” http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/08.
Gee, everything Dean say makes a lot of sense. What is all the fuss about?
Join me in rejecting the socialism in our country. I will no longer send my kids to public school. I will not be forced by the liberals to use roads and bridges. I will dump my trash in the Grand Canyon. I will burn my grandpa’s social security check and put him back to work. I will stand outside emergency rooms and kill the uninsured people who attempt to enter so they will be no further burden on our health care system. Join Me!!!
“The debate between capitalism and socialism is over…We’re
going to have both.”
“I HATE Republicans.”
“YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!”
This man is an absolute maniac. How anyone can take him
seriously is beyond me. We should have Dr. Demento locked
up in a padded room with a straight jacket.
Hey, PLEASE ACT NOW:
Tell me precisely when capitalists have advocated
dumping trash in the Grand Canyon, burning social security
checks, making old people work, and kill the uninsured people.
Be specific.
You’re just as much as nut as Dr. Demento.
Capitalism and Socialism mix like oil and water. People don’t make life rafts to cross an ocean, or build parachutes to sail over walls, or dig under fences, or risk their lives to Enter Socialist or Communist countries do they? Because they are “less free” and have “less opportunities” in those countries. Capitalism, despite its flaws, gives people choices and honors their individuality. If you don’t like working for your employer, then you can start your own company. In communist/socialist (one in the same) countries, you can’t fire your employer because its the government. In those systems academic elitists sit on the thrones, have unlimited wealth and power, and pretend to be able to “think” better than the masses and control through fear and disinformation. A revolution of change is coming. Let it come. I repeat..let it come.
Wow, I’m impressed! A Socialist who finally tells the truth. All that’s left is to kick all of these power-driven, control-freak, hypocritical scumbags out of office in 2010 and 2012 so we can begin to reclaim our sovereignty. You’d think the Repubs could come up with some viable candidate but we’ve been waiting decades.
I trust in the wisdom of our Founding Fathers and the Constitution more than, of all people, Howard Dean. “Progressives” within the DNC are Socialists and the American people are starting to see them for what they are.
MAOBAMA: Commuinism Organizer.
Gene455,
The logic behind calling me nuts has furthered your argument immensely.
What capitalist created national parks? Or fully pays the cost of the infrastructure that ultimately helps his profits?
Provided retirement benefits for your Grampy?
Created affordable health insurance?
Insurance companies right now are lobbying to make health ins. mandatory, and guess who will subsidize the poorest, is that not socialism that presumably capitalist companies are lobbying for?
They just want to go and put all 19 pages of the constitution into a paper shredder and eat the pieces
Those touting socialism or ‘communism-lite’ are either poorly informed or being intellectually dishonest. Immigrants to this country use to say that the streets in America were ‘Made of Gold’. To them our streets were because they were ALLOWED to personally achieve and benefit from their achievements (unlike the countries they came from). This country became the GREAT COUNTRY it is today not because of what our government did but because of what our government have allowed individuals to achieve. It allowed individuals to build, invent experiment and individually benefit from their successes. That fact that so many of individual achievements are preceded by individual failures does not change the fact that Capitalism is the best system to raise the standard of living for all people in the society that permits Capitalism. Say what you will, but history holds no exception to his.
What a moron Dr. Dean must be to believe this. Being capitalist and communist at the same time is like being pregnant and not pregnant at the same time. It’s not possible.
Didn’t Al Gore say the debate was over? And now we have climategate!
Liberal Socialists are such moron’s. How stupid do they think we are?
The debate on Socialism may be over…but the fight hasn’t begun. I mean 1776 type fight. When it gets down to what things where like between the colonies and olde England, then the REAL fireworks will start.I hope all the Socialists remember which side had all the GUNS!!!!
The Debate is Over??
That statement alone should tell all what the real goal of all liberal programs is – the total take-over of the American economy and destruction of capitalism.
Global warming has never been about the weather.
Government health care has never been about people seeing a doctor.
All liberal programs have been a path to socialism and not Dean is showing his commie colors.
If Russia were to invade America, I would fight with the russians against washington dc.
no question about it.
Somewhere in Climategate land a village is missing its idiot.
COMMUNitarianISM…
Why does the liberal media give this jerkoff a forum to spout his lack of knowledge. Why do we continue to read it?
America, the home of the 21st Century re-education camp.
What’s next, public humiliation and torture using the “jet-plane position”, and hanging by the wrists for hours until we “confess” our errors to the state?
Very scary times.
Dr. Dean is a classic example of someone with the “unconstrained” view of man, as do most progressives.
This results in them being able to completely ignore the will of the people and the lessons learned of history. “This is what we need to do, because I’m smart and I know what’s best for you. That you don’t want this doesn’t matter, I know what’s best for you. Ignore my private jet and pampered lifestyle while you suffer, I know what’s best for you.”
Classic intellectual elitist claptrap. If you want to see a great example of the “unconstrained” view of man in action, take a look at the French revolution. That worked out well, didn’t it?
As if there was ever any debate about Dean “The Scream” being a Marxist.
Che, the empirical data suggests you’re a liar.
Come to Bolivia. I have a wall for you. The chips will be down one day, my friend. I just hope you recognize me when they are.
Besides, hippies stink. Try to find a productive way to make a living, get creative. Give up on
your advocacy of a parasitic ideology long ago found sadly wanting.
It is time to rename the Democrat Party the Socialist Party. Make the truth
plain. Then only the socialists and their beneficiaries will be willing to
take the label. We will then be able to see just how much of a “majority”
they are.
“taxation itself is a “socialist” policy” -oy
If that’s how you justify socialism, give up now. Following that reasoning, then taxation to fund armies and prosecute wars is socialism. I’m not aware of any wars of consequence that have been operated without taxation of some sort, so it seems to me that without socialism, there could be no wars and all the dying and suffering that goes with it.
That socialism stuff sounds pretty awful.
Don’t confuse taxation with what our village idiots in Washington spend it on. Maintaining interstate highways to promote commerce is not socialism. Paying welfare to subsidize some meth-head’s lifestyle definitely is. Both are paid for through taxation. Hope that helps.
Howard Dean, Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi and their ilk…. Idiots…. Case closed….
Capitalism often is equated to greed, but Socialism is the institutionalization of greed. Capitalism gives free people the opportunity to EARN a living to the degree of their ability. Socialism (a.k.a. high taxes) covets the earnings of others, takes those earnings disproportionately, and gives them to those who did not earn them.
The weak (orphans, elderly, and infirmed) should be protected, but everyone else should get off their rears and earn the bread they eat.
SCREW THIS COMMUNIST JERKOFF. HE , LIKE MOST LIBERALS, FEELS MUCH MORE
QUALIFIED TO MAKE LIFE DECISIONS FOR OTHERS. NO ROOM FOR PERSONAL DECISION
MAKING, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, MOTIVATION AND INITIATIVE. IN TRUTH HE NEEDS TO PULL HIS HEAD OUT HIS ARSE…..
Correction, Governor. In the United States we have communism for the “Too Big To Fail Club” and capitalism for the rest of us (Let them eat cake.)
“With Capitalism, Man is a slave to Man. With Communism, its just the opposite.” – John Kenneth Galbraith
Dr. Dean, how is that we can have private ownership AND public ownership of capital at the same time?
When you are telling people how to get to your house, do you tell them to take a left and a right at the same time onto your street?
Yes, the issue is settled, and socialism is evil.
Any who are interested should watch the video of Ayn Rand speaking on the subject of “Capitalism vs. Communism” in 1961. She nailed it.
Here is the website: http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reg_ar_cvc
Mark A. Hurt, MD
There is a lot of inbreeding in his home state, rarely seen on a national level, though.
Dear Dr. Hurt,
Alan Greenspan was one of Ayn Rand’s acolytes. Enough said.
Doctor Hurt
Alan Greenspan was a loyal acolyte of Ms. Rand.
Dear Bob
If you take out a mortgage now, the government owns your house. It was John Q. Taxpayer who bailed out your bank. I own your house as an American taxpayer. I am moving in next week. I like steak and eggs in the morning with a steeping hot cup of joe.
Dr. Zhivago
1. Shut up Dean
2. You can’t change the strips on a tiger
Geez… we’ve had both for awhile… Social Security, medicare?
I love the drudge, dog whistle brigade, oh and we even got a randian. The United States has got to improve the education system. The randians and conservatives are such phonies. You have contributed nothing.
WHAT IS GOOD FOR GOLDMAN SACHS IS GOOD FOR AMERICA
THE ORIGINS OF THE CURRENT CRISIS
http://www.japanfocus.org/data/BrennerCrisis.pdf
He need’s to YEHA!! himself and the rest of Obama cronnies over to France. And take them know it all movie stars with them.
Dr. Hurt,
Lets be serious for a moment. Ms. Rand authored a fascinating combination of science fiction and cautionary tale, entitled “Atlas Shrugged.” It holds up with “1984″ and “Brave New World.” She also asserted that John Kennedy was a cryptic-socialist or “stateist” of some sort. Her contribution is that novel, so far as I can see, and nothing more. The “Objective Realism” is regurgitation of 19th Century philosophical treatises and has its own student following.
Also, I do not see how Rand could have defended the Investment and Energy sectors of Wall Street were she alive today, whose perfidy she railed against in the thesis of “Atlas Shrugged”; the latter which now essentially controls the Executive and, to a greater extent, Legislative Branch of the United States regime.
I am afraid, you are completely brainwashed. I suggest you listen to the speech of John Galt on Ms. Rand’s website.
@ “Pat E December 1st, 2009 – 9:58 am”
You really hit the nail on the head. Government imposed socialism is a disaster. It causes resentment among the people and divides more than it unites. I cringe when I think of it and it make me want to dissent. I will help people (sometimes at random) but it is my decision how and when I can help. I am one of those that is resentful when I see the government take my money by force and spend it how they think I should. I was responsible enough to earn it; I’m responsible enough to spend it (most of the time). Even if we, the people, are irresponsible on occasion, it’s our choice and the government takes that from us. In essence, they are dehumanizing humanity by imposing the will of a select few on everyone. So, yes, he is right…in a way…but he’s going about it all wrong.
“And the winner is? Capitalism! Socialism is still too busy being stuck in strcture by amazing itself with process to produce anything worthwhile.”
To Matt & Steve,
It is true that Mr. Greenspan once knew Ayn Rand, and it is true that he wrote the chapter on Gold as money in “Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal”. It is not true, however, that he agreed with Ayn Rand or Objectivism, especially in his later years (witness the last 20 years). Thus, your argument simply doesn’t follow. He was not one of her “acolytes”, as you say.
To Dr. Siebert,
I am dead serious, and you should be, too. Although “Atlas Shrugged” is a work of fiction, the principles it holds are applicable to human beings because they are philosophical principles. Ayn Rand advocated the separation of the state from economics, which the governments in the last 100 years have made more and more impossible to achieve. You don’t have to believe me, however, read her works on capitalism and discover it for yourself.
By the way, “brainwashing” implies some type of brainless automaton. It is more applicable for a Hitler or a Stalin than for a man of reason. Ayn Rand represents the antithesis of brainwashing. She asks the thing of men that is the most challenging and most difficult thing to do. She asks us to think for ourselves by applying rational, provable, principles. If you don’t think this is possible, that is the first premise you should check.
Mark A. Hurt, MD
PS. I have read and listened to Galt’s speech many times. Perhaps you should revisit it, too.
MAH
HOWARD, YOU ARE RIGHT, THE CONVERSATION IS OVER. SOCIALISM LOSES, IT HAS BEEN TRIED WORLD-WIDE AND FAILED. ONLY THE LEFT WING CRAZIES IN THIS NATION WANT SOCIALISM. OUR TEACHERS HAVE TAUGHT OUR CHILDREN THAT IT IS GOOD, THE ELDERLY MARCHING IN THE STREET REMEMBER HISTORY AND WILL UNTEACH THE IDIOT YOUNG BEFORE YOUR PARTY GETS ITS WAY. YOU AND YOUR (CLIMATE CHANGE, SOCIALISM) LIARS, NEED TO GO AWAY. YOUR SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE HAS BEEN TRIED IN NATIONS AND IS A FAILURE. WE WILL NOT ALLOW LEFT WING EXTREMISTS TO DO ANYMORE DAMAGE TO THIS GREAT NATION.
What’s the big hoop? The Democrats have been the Socialist Party for ever. They finally feel comfortable saying so.
I hate commie scum.
Catherine, where has socialism lost? Your country is embracing social policies more and more. I count that as a victory for socialism.
Healthcare in the social-democratic states of Europe is dong very well thank you. We all enjoy affordable healthcare, even the poor and unemployed. Where in your country the poor and uninsured are dying. Our average life expectancy is higher too, so do not tell us our healthcare system is not working.
What an insult to President Kennedy….
Howard Dean is an ass-hole and he has no business making policy for anyone.
this system of government wasn’t designed to govern 350mm people or to accomodate blacks and jews who are alien to republic forms of government and undermine it.
I’m just sayin.
We all know that powerful interests control our country. Why in the world would you go along with anything they want? Vote against all incumbents, always. Ignore their spin, no matter how frightening.
This guy is a clown, someone pull the plug on him ASAP.
We used to hang people like this for treason….get a rope fast!
Communitarianism is:
a) fine if voluntary
b) wrong if forced by government (socialism)
The power to force other to do this or that is too much for humans to handle. They become corrupt and lose touch with reality (e.g., Dean, Bush, Obama, Reagan, Clinton, etc.).
Capitalism (freedom) has been ruined by government forcing it this way and that. What we have is not capitalism in America. We have 100 years of government intervention.
All you really need is:
a) respect for the property of others (property rights)
b) contract law (what we agree to, we do, and no more)
With the above, you can have peace, because we then live by agreement, instead of by force.
What a despicable moron-he and his family have made millions of dollars through this capitalistic system of governing. Have you ever heard of Dean Whitter? He’s the Dean in Dean Whitter.
Liberalism is the result of inbreeding. Is there a cure or treatment?
Racism+slavery+greed+hedonism+War+Reality TV+ the collapse of the financial market+half of our country being obese+debt+9/11+Fear+Hate+Opulence+mundane pop culture+Wimps+babies+wussies+pussies+school shootings+Republicans+Democrats+ led paint in toys+Independents+Libertarians+decadence+Evil+the devil+abortion+more racism+inequality+stupidity+inconsistency
=CAPITALISM (or anti-freedom)
As for Socialism…we’ll we really don’t know because we have been satura
This guy must be on amphetamines… again!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOO!!!