This would be in effect a giant constitutional failure and would proabably plunge the national into civil conflict. Creating a new slave class out of Medical Personell. With little reguard to quality of care and normal working hours. Cracking the whip on them just like the master and the slaves picking cotton. The bill is an abomination.
swittlallasOctober 30th, 2009 - 8:46 pm
That’s right: Ram it through, and seal your fates.
bicOctober 30th, 2009 - 8:52 pm
Socialism is a fraud and a lie. If you can’t get what you want by convincing others on the facts, just cheat. 2010 awaits.
How now Mao?
kdjOctober 30th, 2009 - 8:57 pm
If they ever wanted to kick a hornets nest that’s already close to exploding, it would be to ram this through with taxpayer funded abortion and the public option still intact, regardless of their own dems feelings. The backlash would be unreal.
FastFactsOctober 30th, 2009 - 9:01 pm
You mean shortchange your donors, special interest groups. Aren’t they suppose to be bipartisan, they don’t care, or is it that only brain dead politicians would ever pass a bill like this. There is a great summary of some of the wacky things in the bill on http://www.americanparchment.com. Check it out. There are so many corrupt things in the bill no one with a brain would ever vote for it.
txmikeOctober 30th, 2009 - 9:23 pm
Yes demoturds ram it throught against the will of the majority of Americans. I am certain that demoturds along w/ King Acorn will be highly rewarded if they just ram it through.
ThorOctober 30th, 2009 - 9:37 pm
What a dirtbag. Oh, I’m sorry, is that racist? Tough s**t
Eileen for Freedom/LibertyOctober 30th, 2009 - 9:38 pm
America…if 50 career politicians pass this debacle…we will send 60 of them home…guaranteed!
We are sick and tired of representatives not representing!
Get it or get out!
NO to ANY “overhaul” of our existing healthcare!
NO to paying for illegals to get medical treatments!
NO to paying for abortions that are against what we believe!
NO to ANY “government run” healthcare!
Get it or get out!
You pass with 50…we’ll send 60 home!
America…start on Monday calling/emailing/writing these slugs and reiterate what we “DO NOT WANT”!
Threaten to send them home…for not listening to their constiuents…and if they go against you…work diligently within your local party to get them out of office!
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THE REVOLUTION OF THE SILENT MAJORITY – SILENT NO MORE!
1. GETTING INFORMED
2. GETTING INVOLVED
DO NOT TREAD ON US…WE PAY YOUR BILLS IN WASHINGTON AND IN YOUR HOMES WHERE YOU WILL ALL BE GOING STARTING IN 2010 AND BEYOND…GUARANTEED!
IMPEACHMENT OR THE ‘ORIGINAL’ KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE…IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME!
EEuroOctober 30th, 2009 - 10:19 pm
These are your leaders Americans, the descendants of slaves are your masters now, you are the most stupid people on the planet, more stupid than africans.
America is a joke, China is waiting to take all your land when the time comes.
SnydlywhiplashOctober 30th, 2009 - 10:43 pm
FastFacts…”no one with a brain would ever vote for it.”
Of course not, but corrupt liberal/socialist politicians will.
Remember, most of them were liars…er, I mean lawyers before they were politicians!
claspurOctober 30th, 2009 - 10:45 pm
Air America will always sit in the back of the bus….only with more taxpayer money, about the same listeners… next to none.
They’ll alawys be The Payless Shoes to the other Big Three govt. run news agencies…. PMSNBC, PBS and NPR.
B. JohnsonOctober 30th, 2009 - 10:49 pm
Why aren’t Constitution-defending patriots pointing out the following? Given that the federal Constitution is silent about public healthcare, the 10th Amendment automatically reserves government power to regulate and lay taxes for healthcare to the states, not the Oval Office and Congress.
In fact, Chief Justice Marshall had established the following case precedent, now wrongly ignored, which appropriately limits the power of the feds to lay taxes.
“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” –Chief Justice Marshall, GIBBONS V. OGDEN (1824) http://supreme.justia.com/us/22/1/case.html
So not only is misguided Obama’s proposed healthcare constitutionally unauthorized, but based on Justice Marshall’s official words, Congress never had the power to lay taxes to fund such a program in the first place.
What the Constitution does allow, as evidenced by RomneyCare, is the following. We should be seeing up to 50 independent state-run healthcare programs. The beauty of diverse state healthcare programs is the following. While some states are undoubtedly going to get a good reputation for knowing how to manage healthcare, other states are going to be challenged by healthcare. But there is no law saying that the expert states cannot give the challenged states some good advice on how to run a healthcare program.
Also, where states with similar healthcare programs are concerned, corruption in one state’s program should be easier to spot when its healthcare books are compared with the books of other states.
What’s going on with the corrupt federal government is the following, IMO. State sovereignty-ignorant voters have been electing lawmakers to both the state legislatures and the federal senate who are as state sovereignty-impaired as the voters are. Consequently, these lawmakers have not been doing their jobs to protect state sovereignty by protecting citizens from illegal federal taxes and unconstitutional federal government interference in their lives as evidenced by illegal Obamacare. In other words, federal taxes laid in the name of healthcare should never have left a given state in the first place. (Did you hear that bankrupt California?)
Finally, the following link should help give people an idea how state sovereignty-ignorant voters have shot themselves in the foot with big, corrupt federal government as a consequence of the ill-conceived, anti-state sovereignty 16th and 17th Amendments.
This Death Care bill is going NOWHERE. Even it if does, the State of Texas will tell Nancy Pelosi and Barak Obama to shove it up their as*es! I will NEVER be forced to buy ANYTHING from the Federal Government and I will never support a left wing plan that covers abortion, illegals, and raises taxes on the American people. It is my right under the 5th Amendment! Take that Pelosi and smoke it!
Men of honor have brought this country through 235 years of turmoil. Men just like them will continue that tradition when Obama’s circus leaves town. Until then, enjoy the show.
BarbieOctober 30th, 2009 - 11:35 pm
Hooray for the good and honorable men and women who are pushing through health care insurance reform and helping to guarantee that everyone in the US can be protected against the large, greedy, self-serving companies like Anthem, Aetna and Cigna who ruin the lives of Americans every day. They take your premiums and then use every device to try to cancel every sick, ailing or injured person on their books — I know. I was Director of Corporate Communications for Blue Cross of California when it went ‘public’ in 1993 and I saw how greed and profits turned that company into Wellpoint and then Anthem and its ’stakeholders’ into a selfish, money-hogging machine that did everything it could — with the help of get-rich-quick executives — to weed out the clients it least wanted. For all you blabbering idiots on this site — listen up! Without competition from a ‘public option,’ a place where the average Joe can turn up when his world of hurt turns upside down, premiums will only go UP and care and selection will go DOWN. Don’t you get it? It’s so simple. Open one store, they charge what they want. Open the same store next store, and you’ll see prices compete! It’s so simple. And it guarantees that you — and everyone — will have a place to go for health insurance if things go really bad in your life. This isn’t marxism, or socialism, or communism, or any ism except Americanism at its finest and most generous. We do ‘get it.!
That’s why the votes are there and 75% of the American public wants it in place. Now, go read up on competition, gang!
HooterOctober 31st, 2009 - 1:15 am
No the magic number is 2010 and 2012 when we toss the crocks and traitors to the Constitution out on their ear….
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WHY don’t you aholes in Congress just DO A VOICE VOTE, so nobody has to be held accountable and no proper COUNT of votes is even necessary? Since you ALL are nothing but CONS, CRIMINALS, & CHEATS, why bother to go thru the motions and keep harping about NUMBERS? Since you think you are all little tin gods, why mess around with rules & protocols??
AT LEAST THAT WOULD BE MORE HONEST!
YOU WILL ALL PAY FOR THE EVILS YOU ARE FOISTING ON US AMERICAN CITIZENS!
WHERE WE'RE HEADED...October 31st, 2009 - 4:27 am
This is where we’re headed…because we have LOST OUR MORAL COMPASS in America. UNLESS or UNTIL a FEW GOOD PEOPLE TURN THIS THING AROUND…
Just read a few of Cass Sunstein’s high-flying ideas, and you will see AMERICA is not far behind SWITZERLAND in “harvesting” other people’s organs…for fun and profit!
ArieOctober 31st, 2009 - 5:57 am
Barbie…..Do not preach to me from a state that is bankrupt because you have elected fools that had rather have thugs run government, schools, entertainment industry, health care an anything else the unions decide they want control over, now your state wants the rest of the country to follow you, we wont buy into your foolish lies.
SteveZ71October 31st, 2009 - 6:49 am
I’m not gonna comment on this vid. I know it won’t get posted because the words I have for this kind of B.S. thinking is just that B.S.
Peace SisterOctober 31st, 2009 - 8:51 am
Pam strikes again!
kdjOctober 31st, 2009 - 9:53 am
Barbie, it’s amazing how many of you liberals spout great “ideas” that are so “honorable” but completely ignore what it will do to our country. Do you actually believe that a government run program will provide competition? It seems you are the one that needs to go read up on competition, not the rest of us.
You can’t compete with something that doesn’t have to worry about profit or be held accountable for anything. If Medicare were a real business, it would have gone bankrupt a long time ago, and now they’re going to try it on a much bigger scale. It is impossible for privatized companies to compete with the government, and the govt knows it.
There is nothing fair and competitive here. We will all be forced into it.
You think it’s an honorable idea, and I’ll agree with you on that, but the fact that you’re willing to ignore consequences like total lack of freedom (can’t choose your own coverage or procedures), major drop in quality of health care, eventual rationing of health care (yes it will happen), many of the best doctors will quit because they don’t make much money anymore, less doctors will go to school because they come out with huge debt that will no longer bring huge paychecks. Doctors will be forced to stay under “spending caps” so they will have to choose between giving a patient a test or procedure they need OR taking a penalty to their paycheck for going over the caps. Guess who’s going to win that battle when docs are already getting paid less? Not us.
Idealism without understanding the ramifications and just nodding and smiling as the government takes over is exactly what socialism is based on. Big promises while they hide what’s really going to happen until it’s too late.
If you ask the public “Do you think everyone should have Health Care?” with no strings attached, OF COURSE people will say, “well sure, that would be great”. That’s where your number comes from. Now try this:
If you ask the public “Do you think everyone should have Health Care, but the catch is: the government will take over health care which amounts to 18% of the U.S. Free Market, reduce your quality of care, raise your taxes so those other people can have it, raise your premiums, turn doctors off to medicine, and oh yeah, even though we’re raising all those prices and reducing spending on health care for elderly, it’s still not going to be paid for. Your kids will have the largest debt in the history of the country to deal with.
I’m pretty sure the answer would no longer be “well sure, that would be great”.
Ideals without caring about ramifications. Don’t worry, our kids will be able to pay for it!
By the way, Republicans are willing to do health care reforms, create nationwide competition for insurance companies (they can’t cross state lines as of now), and subsidies for those without health care, and lower doctors costs with Tort Reform, which will lower the cost of health care significantly for EVERYONE. Far left dems want nothing to do with those ideas. They want a govt. takeover and nothing less.
Cracker NationOctober 31st, 2009 - 10:39 am
dontflagmebro,There will be no civil conflict except for the civil war going on in the Republican party,as some with some sense try to take the party back form the right wing whack jobs.
The United States is the only industrialized country in the world that does not have universal health care coverage for its citizens.
That fact should be an embarrassment and shame to us all. We spend nearly $2.5 trillion on care and we spend nearly 50 percent more of our gross national product (G.N.P.) on health care than the rest of the industrialized world. Yet we have over 46 million completely uninsured people and at least 10 million more seriously underinsured people.
You over here talking about race because a Black man’s picture is on this news thread.
Some of the most ignorant crackers in this country post on this web site.
They have no clue about what’s going on in this country except for the half truths and out right lies that they get from Faux news and Boss Limbaugh.
If you work you got a tax cut under Obama and health insurance reform would benefit you because you and nobody else who post here is rich.
Now go back inside your trailer and get yourself another chew of tobacco.
poetopoetOctober 31st, 2009 - 10:46 am
The Silent Screams
I try to move away as I scream,
screamed against my prison walls
my fingers are useless I screamed
and still no one hears my screams.
Why I ask you as I screamed louder
a thing is ripping me apart I screamed
why deny a life freedom to live I scream
I am defenseless here in torture screaming.
What kind of person does this to me I scream
who let this happen to me I scream even louder
someone paid someone to do this to me I scream
my dreams, my life destroyed I scream not by you.
I scream what a waste what cruelty you authorized
a treasure no more I scream, I was all yours to hold
all yours to love I scream, you’re deaf to my screams
and I will be waiting for you mother, I scream no more!
Adortion is deadly, not waterboarding, enjoy hell abortionists.
J-ClyOctober 31st, 2009 - 10:48 am
You knows how I knows when we gets to fifty? It’s the one after eleventy-three! uh huh!
I hope Barbie is the first in line to talk to the end of life counselors… I’m actually going to apply for the job and look her up… I’m sure I will be able to talk her into it ending her pitiful existence.
MikeinIdahoOctober 31st, 2009 - 11:05 am
Keep pushing, you dumbazzes, keep pushing. We’re coming and the magic number will go from 50 to dead. The Democrats are daily dealing there fate by pushing the american people to the edge. The arrogance and stupidity are truly amazing.
Yeah they do want to ram it through. The political cost will be enormous to the dems, but not as big and odious as the cost to everyday people once this lie of a bill is pushed through. Comrade Obama commands it and you know all his little dems in the both houses never contest the “dear leader.”
kdjOctober 31st, 2009 - 11:46 am
@Cracker Nation
So your argument is that the rest of the socialized countries have already done it, so we should to? We’ve had the highest standard of living in the world for decades because of our free market, and we have been the envy of those countries financially. So lets be more like them? What about the fact that their systems have been failing and they are starting to move away from them? There are plenty of reasons our health care spending is high that have nothing to do having with Universal Health Care or not. This will not fix our spending. It barely addresses our spending and you could argue this will make it worse…
Tort reform alone would cause a massive reduction in our national HC costs. Our Congress (Dems and even some Repubs) won’t allow it because the lawyer lobby is incredibly massive, and they won’t piss them off, at the expense of our entire nation.
Every liberal that at least has arguing points on this points out how we spend more on HC than every other country, but fails to point out that every other country has 10 to 100 times lower malpractice insurance costs for their doctors because they put caps on malpractice lawsuits! Use apples and apples at least.
No it’s not perfect, but how about we address our COSTS and not add to them. Govt. run HC will most certainly add to them. They can’t run something efficiently and they’ve proven it over and over again. Other countries are proving it as we speak and many are less corrupt than ours.
NewWorldOrderWeKnowWhoYouAREOctober 31st, 2009 - 11:55 am
The Solution … is obvious! http://www.infowars.com WE are sooooooooooooooo ON to them!!! They have NO idea how powerful WE are!
This would be in effect a giant constitutional failure and would proabably plunge the national into civil conflict. Creating a new slave class out of Medical Personell. With little reguard to quality of care and normal working hours. Cracking the whip on them just like the master and the slaves picking cotton. The bill is an abomination.