Heavy Fire Fom the Left: Health Care Bill Wouldn’t Have Helped Your Mom Obama

"It's not 'Change We Can Believe In.'"

December 20, 2009 at 9:31 am - Naked Emperor News/Thom Hartmann Show
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JP   December 20th, 2009 - 10:05 am

Shut-up and listen to “The Leader”.
WE don’t want to hear from you til it’s time to vote.
Report to an ACORN location nearest you!

Mark N.   December 20th, 2009 - 10:11 am

He’s against “forcing” people to buy health insurance with no public option. But, WITH the option? He’s all for strong-arm tactics, I suppose.

SteveZ71   December 20th, 2009 - 10:59 am

Libs eating their own. LOVE IT! This is what you get when your a liberal president…the wheels are falling off this wagon. HE WAS A FAILURE FROM THE START PINHEAD!!!

H2K   December 20th, 2009 - 11:12 am

To borrow a Bill O’Reilly phrase, this is nothing but “bloviating”.
Liberals want you to think “they lost” this debate, when in actuality, they won. They have a framework in place, now. When we have liberals in power, they will legislate to increase the healthcare entitlement. When repubs are in power, liberals know that (due to wimpish repubs) at least the framework won’t be dismantled, and all they have to do is wait for another liberal congress/senate to continue increasing the benefits.

Also remember the CBO’s “budget neutrailty” and “deficit reduction” proclamation is nothing but an accounting gimick. They scored this bill based on taking revenues in starting 2010, not handing out any benefits until 2014, and then they measured the cost delta in 2019.

This is nothing but a lie. America has been sucker punched.

Commieobamie   December 20th, 2009 - 11:24 am

You think he cared for his mum? HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAHAHAHAHAHAH, that was funny!!!!!!!!!!

Army of Davids   December 20th, 2009 - 11:41 am

It is important that conservatives and libertarians stay focused on pressuring the swing senators. This is a game of inches and we must keep pushing.

Let Howard Dean and Olbermann have their fun.

Senator Lincoln (D) Arkansas and Senator Pryor (D) Arkansas

Senator McCaskill (D) Missouri

Senator Webb (D) VA and Senator Warner (D) VA

Senator Bayh (D) Indiana.

Getting this past Christmas may be enough to Kill the thing.

We must continue to fight.

why-did-we-put-all-you-dems-in-office-and-you-can't-get-anything-done-right   December 20th, 2009 - 11:42 am

how can a congress full of Democrats can’t get in a single payer much less a public option is beyond me ,if there is no Public option in the final bill ,All the democrats needs to go look for new jobs,

i can totally understand if congress make up was 50/50 dems and republican, then this joke of a bill we can say was as good as it ever was going to get . but the republcans are the fringe party and have ZERO say….. yet the democrats can’t come out with a true heathcare REFORM BILL.they are fighting among thmeselves for no reason,it truly boggles the mind.

and if president Obama sign this healthbill and there is no PUBLIC OPTION,i know the people in my circles already said they will not go out to vote in 2010 and 2012 and persoanlly i hope they all lose, at least with the republicans you know they wont do anything for you, and with the democrats
now in office they are acting like the republicans,

-sepp   December 20th, 2009 - 11:55 am

” at least with the republicans you know they wont do anything for you, and with the democrats
now in office they are acting like the republicans”

THAT is why things are so screwed up…too many idiots out there who think that the government is there to “do things for them”
Get off your azz and do for yourself instead of praying to big daddy government to provide you with everything you should be EARNING for yourself! I have no problem helping those who CAN’T help themselves but, I refuse to help those who simply think it’s their right to be slugs and eat out of my pocket.

district5   December 20th, 2009 - 11:56 am

To borrow a Bill O’Reilly phrase, this is nothing but “bloviating”.
Liberals want you to think “they lost” this debate, when in actuality, they won. They have a framework in place

H2K December 20th, 2009 – 11:12 am

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You are not very bright are you!! Thats type of game you play when you have a equal amount of reps from both parties in congress and is trying to get the best deal in , you see that alot when unions are trying to secure a deal for their constituents . The democrats have full control of both house and senate its beyond laughable for you to post that.

the-2-big-parties-are-bought-and-paid-for   December 20th, 2009 - 12:12 pm

THAT is why things are so screwed up…too many idiots out there who think that the government is there to “do things for them”

sepp December 20th, 2009 – 11:55 am

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No you MORON , instead of taking your taxes and go start wars like the REPUBLICANS , WE expect from the democrats to take our tax dollars and provide stuff like healthcare, education and other programs like other nations.

We expect from republicans to take out tax dollars and start wars give out corporate welfare to billionaire companies, to break it down… when you are rich and need help you can count on the good old REPUBLICANS.

with the democrats the ones i use to know, they were for the little guy , these days Obama more concern with helping out corporate america instead of main street just like george bush , i guess everyone these days are bought and paid for.

DA BEARRRS   December 20th, 2009 - 12:17 pm

This is the greatest single power grab by a government against the rights of its citizens since the Nazis.
It is that simple.

K   December 20th, 2009 - 12:19 pm

Well, if you’re a senator, you –apparently– and definitely have a price.

First fully partisan bill ever to be passed, in history, is it?

dear leader, indeed.

THUGGIN CHICAGO STYLE FOOLED THE FOOLS INTO VOTING FOR HIM   December 20th, 2009 - 12:24 pm

HA!

txmike   December 20th, 2009 - 12:27 pm

I saw this moron Hartman go on an unhinged unjustified tirade that had President G W Bush as it’s target. It was full of typical democrat venom ie envy, jealousy and the like. In his justified disagreement with President Erkel Obama no ranting , no venom , no unjustified hate. Hartman is just a big progressive MORON who has zero cred.

LIberty Lover   December 20th, 2009 - 12:37 pm

YOU liberals(progressives ,communist,fascist) Should be happy to SURRENDER YOUR LIBERTY FOR SLAVERY .FOOLS

NOW IT BEGINS!   December 20th, 2009 - 12:59 pm

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maximinimus   December 20th, 2009 - 1:04 pm

Question for you Fox News !

When did a BRIBE become a “sweetheart deal” ??

BJC   December 20th, 2009 - 1:15 pm

Having to pass this Health Tax Bill at 1a.m. in the middle of a blizzard with less than 72 hours to read the damn thing and just a few days short of Christmas should tell ALL Americans how BAD a bill this is…. If the Democrats were really proud of this bill and thought Americans were in favor of it you can bet your last dollar they would have the vote on, at prime time since they think they’re making history…..They’ll make History allright, As the worst and most corupt and crooked bunch of politicians to ever have worked in the United States of America.

frankly   December 20th, 2009 - 1:20 pm

The lefties are too dumb to realize that this catastrophe of a bill will make the healthcare system so costly to everyone that the government will be the only choice. They are too arrogant to realize that the American people DO NOT WANT SOCIALISM so the Dems have to use this back door way to socialized medicine.

Tracy   December 20th, 2009 - 2:07 pm

I’m a student at an extremely liberal college and let’s make something very clear, Obama and the Democrats right now are being looked down upon worse than Bush/Cheney ever were.

All year I’ve watch my peers fight harder and harder to defend Obama and the Pelosi-Reid Party, but this healthcare bill was the final straw.

Towards the end of W’s term his public image and approval rating took it’s final blow when the very people who voted for him turned against him. This is exactly what is happening to Obama. Pretty soon he’s going to have no one left who likes him. Conservatives and Liberals alike will depise him.

He’s going to go down in history amongst the worst Presidents.

Dave, Tn   December 20th, 2009 - 2:22 pm

We knew he was lying when we voted for him, but we thought he was lying for us, not to us whhaaa whhaa whaaaa

Michael(Spain)   December 20th, 2009 - 2:32 pm

a eugenics bill ,written by the health insurance companies and hemlock society…….maybe theres also a provision to turn people in solent green also?? the bigger the bill in pages means crouption and freebies on the staus quo…………….

Jay   December 20th, 2009 - 2:55 pm

THAT is why things are so screwed up…too many idiots out there who think that the government is there to “do things for them”

sepp December 20th, 2009 – 11:55 am

____________________________________________________________________

No you MORON , instead of taking your taxes and go start wars like the REPUBLICANS , WE expect from the democrats to take our tax dollars and provide stuff like healthcare, education and other programs like other nations.

We expect from republicans to take out tax dollars and start wars give out corporate welfare to billionaire companies, to break it down… when you are rich and need help you can count on the good old REPUBLICANS.

with the democrats the ones i use to know, they were for the little guy , these days Obama more concern with helping out corporate america instead of main street just like george bush , i guess everyone these days are bought and paid for.
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So how’s that Hoax and Chains er, Hope and Change, workin’ out for ya? Double digit inflation, debt we can never repay, a further slumping economy, emboldened enemies worldwide – yeah Obama’s really got it together. And imbeciles like you continue to support these neo-fascist pigs. Get a clue moron.

Army of Davids   December 20th, 2009 - 3:27 pm

Senator Webb (D) VA could be the weak link. It only takes one.

Eileen for Freedom/Liberty   December 20th, 2009 - 3:49 pm

America…nothing could have helped the mother of Bilderberg Bush-Obama…except him!

It appeared he was not there at her death, as she was not there, when he was being raised!

Tit for tat…I would say as an outsider!

He had the money to buy his mom and her mother…his “typical white grandmother” insurance to get better care…why didn’t he?

Because he had no use for either of them and that tells you alot about what he thinks about the rest of us Americans…all of us…black and white!

We are nothing but a stepping stone to him…to step on to his way to dictatorship and world domination under the Bilderberg Society!

Wake up…America! Many have…many more to go!

Keep talking the truth to your neighbors, friends and family! That is how the truth is revealed…not like the ‘mentally disabled’ Democratzi attempt through pure propaganda…truth…something they know nothing about!

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BJC   December 20th, 2009 - 4:25 pm

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Eddie   December 20th, 2009 - 4:41 pm

Tracy, I hope you’re being truthful with your post. If so, it means that there are at least some liberals who have finally seen the light. If not, we’re doomed.
Thank you for posting regardless.

BONONO   December 20th, 2009 - 5:55 pm

Have to agree with Obama on one thing: Howard Dean is “off the rails” and has been for a loooooong time. YYYYEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHH!

Mike   December 20th, 2009 - 6:17 pm

When you stand back and look at what’s happening with this Health Care bill you realize it is NOT about improving health care at all. This is ALL about the Democrats seeking to gain more of a “foothold” into the lives of American citizens. That’s why the Democrats have SHUT out the Republicans from negotiating a “bi-partisan” bill. That’s why Harry Reid is desperately trying to keep the American public (or anybody) from reading his humongous 2000+ page monstrosity – until the very last moment – when there won’t be time to either dissect it or to comprehend it fully. It’s NOT about “sanity” or “fiscal responsibility” or “driving down health care costs” at all! It is about a gigantic “power grab” by liberal Democrats to seize a whopping one sixth MORE of our total economy. Look at what Obama has done since being in office. He’s taken over Banks, Financial Institutions, Car Companies, he’s trying to keep Union workers from continuing with their secret balloting method, he’s trying to institute Cap & TAX and give away hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to foreign countries to fight non-existent Global Warming, and now he wants to take over our Country’s Health Care System; along with his liberal cohorts in Congress who seem moon struck by him while Obama continues to pull Congress’ purse strings (and puppet strings as well) and promises them anything and everything they want just so long as they give Obama his ultimate dream of converting the United States of America into a Socialistic/Marxist entity and to keep his liberal Democratic cronies in office indefinitely. Let’s face it folks. The Democrats in Congress and this President HATE Republicans. And they HATE Independents. How do I know this? Because EVERY TIME the Republicans have sought to negotiate bipartisanship with this Administration and with Congress the Democrats have essentially “snubbed” the Republicans and/or the Independents and have shut them out of the process entirely. In some cases they try to buy members of Congress off. They bought off Joe Lieberman right? They gave Lieberman what he wanted i.e. they pacified him to get him on board this health care disaster in the making. By the way, I find it hard to believe that Joe Lieberman is so naive as to NOT see the “big picture” but stranger things have happened suffice it to say. The liberal Democrats even buy off their own ‘moderate’ party members with HUGE bonuses by giving them hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars just like they recently did with Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Mary Landrieu of Louisiana. And by all accounts these are illegal “bribes” by attempting to sway a politicians vote to their own side. But will Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi or other liberal Democrats involved in perpetuating these “bribes” be tried for their crimes?? Hardly.. since as we all know the Attorney General of the U.S. is none other than Barack Obama’s longtime friend and comrade in arms the infamous Eric Holder. Holder is in the Dems pocket and he’s part of the overall problem so it is my guess he would in NO way try to prosecute his fellow liberal cohorts in Congress who have committed these crimes of bribery. >> Corruption in Government at its finest suffice it to say.. and as long as these lunatics in charge stay in office America will keep descending into insolvency and going to hell in a hand basket in my opinion. The only way America can “regain” a sense of normalcy and to once again prosper as a Nation, both financially and as a whole, is for every American who loves this Country to fight tooth and nail if need be and to never give up and never give in to Obama and this Administration’s attempt to march the United States of America toward Marxism/Socialism, and ultimately to America’s destruction if he succeeds. That’s why we the citizens of this Country need to VOTE in each and every upcoming election so that these liberal shysters will eventually be thrown out of office and America can once again shine like that “beacon on a hill” that our forefathers and our Founding Fathers fought and gave their lives for so that America would remain free from tyranny and from oppression. With this Administration it is ALL about POWER! And you know what they say: “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely” right? And the American people are witnessing this firsthand with the Democrats in control of both Houses of Congress and their 60 seat filibuster-proof Senate majority and with Über liberals like Harry Reid, Barack Obama, and Nancy Pelosi at the helm. FIGHT BACK AMERICA!! WE WILL WIN IF WE STAND UNITED IN OUR RESOLVE TO DEFEAT OBAMA’S MARCH TOWARD SOCIALISM/MARXISM! 2010 and 2012 will be upon us sooner than we think too. So take heart! And don’t give up!

NEOFREEDOM   December 20th, 2009 - 7:34 pm

Community Organizer Local 880 SEIU = President of the United States of America Barack Hussein Obama

THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING NO NEED TO GO TO ANY FURTHER INVESTIGATION ON WHY AMERICA IS IN SUCH DEEP DOO DOO !

ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES YOU ALL BETTER WAKE UP QUICKLY !

Tom Malone   December 20th, 2009 - 9:36 pm

You guys voted in democrats…Now you wonder why your taxes go up and why yo will have waiting lines at the emergency room and in every hospital. You got what you voted for. Next everyone will be an American citizen eligible to take a hospital bed in your neighborhood. Next hospitals will have bunk beds and it will be hard to find anyone that can speak English including the patients and the providers. Thank a democrat as people lie there in neglect waiting for care. Its called liberalism.

Rob G., Illinois   December 21st, 2009 - 1:09 am

Is this what America has become? A nation whose Senator’s can be bought off by Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. You Senator Ben Nelson are a TRAITOR to your country. It doesn’t matter that you secured money for your state or had some language change on this debacle of a HEALTH-CARE bill. What is truth here is that you, BEN NELSON have a price and a loyalty to follow your party in doing whats wrong for the over-all citizens of this country. This is a TAKE-OVER of our Health-care by the Democrats. A POWER GRAB, to increase your parties power. This is not for the benefit of the American People and you people know it. Do you think we the people are going to forget what you have done here. Do you think the Democrat’s are only going to lose 25 or so seat’s over this? The people are AWAKE now, and you can vote on all the bills you want at 1:30AM and we the people will know what you did. I will work to un-seat you Senator, I will donate money, make phone calls, volunteer my time, and do what ever it takes to roll-back this Health-care bill, and you Senator and the rest of your kind will be out of a job. Shame on all the cowardly Democrats in lock step with Reid, Pelosi, Durban, and the rest of your party with SOCIALIST VIEWS, who are trying to tear down free market principles of this nation. The time to act is now, The out come will be in 2010/2012.

H2K   December 21st, 2009 - 2:09 pm

district5, much brighter than you, my friend. You said:

“Thats type of game you play when you have a equal amount of reps from both parties in congress and is trying to get the best deal in , you see that alot when unions are trying to secure a deal for their constituents . The democrats have full control of both house and senate its beyond laughable for you to post that.”

1) If the democrats had “full control”, then we would have a single payer public option now. We would have had it in August. We know that’s what they want. Anyone with access to a search engine can find many of the democrats – including Pelosi and Obama – expressing the desire for single payer. They DON’T have full control, and that’s why we have the so called “compromise”.

2) The constituency is solid against anything to do with more government intervention into the healthcare system. The democrats are fearing for their political lives. The so-called “blue dogs” appear to be using this tag to milk additional federal entitlements for their state – which in their mind gives them more leverage during the 2010 elections. What are the called “blue-dogs” are simply those democrats that are vulnerable in 2010.

So district5, your analysis is a bit on the thin side. The United States is not governed using mob-rule, yet. It is a representative republic. There was sufficient political pressure from taxpayers to defeat the various incarnations of healthcare reform up until now….so much so that your simple logic of “full control by the democrats” only went so far.

But this is the so-called camels nose in the tent. Once he’s poked it in there, it will be impossible to roll it back. The democrats knew this. This is why they have been meeting in secret and milking the tax payers UP FRONT to pay-off the blue dogs. ANYTHING that they could get was going to build the frameworks for a government take-over of helathcare. To them, they would have preferred to be further down the road to single payer, but to get this much is still in their minds a victory.

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