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This is an outrage. I seen this video a have become so pissed.

This is how we will be treated under Obamacare.

Pelosi and group are up to no good. When you shut out the taxpayers, they are in essence wanting to do something that is wrong. Not sure what is going on. Remember, they are fond of saying that “they did not know what was in a bill.” This is just cover.

Obamanomics. Obamacare. Abomination.

I hate when people talk all around something and never get to the point. What happened that night? How was he threatened? He talked all around it and it pisses me off.

why aren’t they going to be on the plan if it’s so great??……..
(they’re exluded BY LAW in the Obama Hellcare Bill!!)

I watched this interview and almost cried – how could anyone not feel this man’s pain or fear……..

This is already happening in Oregon – government run healthcare – rationing – lottery system and death pill instead of treatment. He said his son had cancer – he would already be dead in Oregon – with the states help.

http://speakmymindblog.com/2009/08/10/oregon-health-plan-ohp-a-peek-into-the-future-of-obamacare/

Evil knows no bounds with Obam, Pelosi, Hoyer and Reid. Downing out opposing views??? The opposing view is the 1000+ page bill that none of these idiots have read. Americans are up in arms because they have read it and see that it is a vile Socialist, Marxist bill that will indeed marginalize the old and the handicapped. To hell with these people that want to take us to the world of Soylent Green. To hell with them.

It’s time to throw these bums out. Start Obama and work your way down until Congress is cleaned out.

Only blacks get to question the “white man’s government”. Oh, that’s right, CHANGE(d)!

America…they undoubtedly came from one of the Union thugs who are exempt from the “government run” healthcare.

This exemptiion is a thank you for their vote for the worst, illegal President in the history of our great nation!

They are the “brown shirts” of the Democratiz American party!

If you are a Union member, you ought to be ashamed. You are a traitor to the American people and our great nation! Wait until they start to instruct you to strike those who stand up and speak out against the tyranny and oppression that is coming from Bilderberg Bush-Obama!

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THE REVOLUTION OF THE SILENT MAJORITY – SILENT NO MORE!

1. GETTING INFORMED
2. GETTING INVOLVED

DON’T TREAD ON US…WE PAY YOUR BILLS IN WASHINGTON AND IN YOUR HOMES WHERE YOU ALL WILL BE GOING STARTING IN 2010…GUARANTEED!

beware Soetoro and company…

beware and stand-up for Liberty! Before it’s too late…

Just like with Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin, if you disagree with these guys, these socialist radicals try to shut you up one way or another. Silent No More!!!

un-American? you have to FN KIDDING ME….congressman working for themselves and not AMERICA is unAmerican

God bless this man and his family! I hope more of us show his courage before it’s too late.

Of course they would be covered. You are all dupes of the big healthcare companies. I can bet most of you have never read ANYTHING a thousand pages long.

WAR!!!!

America…continue to call for that “original” birth certificate proving he was born in Kenya like his grandmother said.

Then push the impeachment issue due to inciting insurrection by dividiing his people and the nation he has promised under oath to “preserve and protect”…instead he is “destroying and dividing”!

He needs to go…legally!

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THE REVOLUTION OF THE SILENT MAJORITY – SILENT NO MORE!

1. GETTING INFORMED
2. GETTING INVOLVED

DON’T TREAD ON US…WE PAY YOUR BILLS IN WASHINGTON AND IN YOUR HOMES WHERE YOU ALL WILL BE GOING STARTING IN 2010…GUARANTEED!

When people are ignored they get frustrated. The American people collectively are being ignored by this administration and their goons. The man’s approach in my opinion was justified because he like the rest of us is being ignored.

If the concept of we the people wasn’t at the foundation of this nations governing principals we would be so angry.

The liberals are overreaching in grand fashion and I hope they keep it up. It is doom for that party. They are shameless despicable fascists!

I don’t doubt he was paid a visit, it was probably by the union goons who resort to such tactics as tampering with your car or killing your pets- they are dirtbags who resort to such tactics to silence people.

Mr. Solo does not have all the facts. And he clearly disrupted that meeting.

Typical leftist THUG tactics.

The DIVER speaks – http://www.fatboy.cc/live_from_chappaquiddick.htm – Investigated by IRS 3 times in 1 year.

She CAN’T speak – http://www.inlibertyandfreedom.com/mjk.htm -

These liberals are the scum of the earth!

Idon’t want to be like Europe isn’t the reason our ancestors came here. For freedom of choice!

Republicans are always afraid that the voters will not understand what they are trying to do while democrats are afraid that they will.

The police have no business acting as Obama’s and Congress’ thugs to oppress free speech.

Speaking out for what you believe and then you have a “visit” in the middle of the night. Sounds a lot like NAZI Germany to me.

Democrats only believe in freedom of speech when you agree with them. They are as intolerant as the Bolshevist thugs who ruled Russia for over 60 years.

Silence is acceptance! Speak out loudly and often. We want our country back! Stop National Healthcare! Stop Cap and Trade!

The Dems need to learn real quick that people have had enough and they’re not
going to put up with the b.s. any longer.

You people are absolutely insane. It really worries me that there are so many people out there that actually believe the fantasy tales being spewed forth by the crazy right-wing leaders out there. To borrow a line used by your boys in post 9/11 times, if you don’t like it, leave.

HEIL OBAMA!!!! HEIL OBAMA!!!!!!!!!

“Ted Kennedy and Chri$ Dodd, due to illness, will NOT partake in their annual “WAITRESS SANDWICH” ritual, Doctors say.”

FLASHBACK: http://sonsoftherepublic.blogspot.com/2005/08/kennedy-dodd-waitress-sandwich.html

Socialism has “infiltrated” these town hall meetings, not senior citizens or the handicapped, Dingbat Dingell !!

Obama’s health care “reform” motto:

“Health Care for Me – and None for Thee.”

pardon my French, but PHUHK Obamacare!

“”"Of course they would be covered. You are all dupes of the big healthcare companies. I can bet most of you have never read ANYTHING a thousand pages long.”"”

ok slice is that why the mummy had to say there was an amendment in the bill to cover people like his son? Why would they need an amendment for such a case if the bill was so comprehensive? Why would the attorney call this gentleman and tell him there was no such amendment? Aside from that you don’t have a point because the concept of this government running the American health care system is not realistically feasible, and on top of that WE DONT HAVE THE MONEY!”of course he would be covered” on what are you basing this statement. Is it because it would be mean not to? Your a damned fool who doesn’t even deserve to have your feeble minded post responded to.
I haven’t seen a bigger group of people so out of touch with reality since Woodstock.

The thuggery of this administration is disgraceful. I can’t believe this is happening in America.
While it is perfectly fine for Acorn (being partially funded by our tax dollars) to question policy, this poor man is being intimidated because he is trying to protect his son.
I Guess all we can do is remember the politicians who refused to listen and vote them out of office. They seem to have forgotten that their job is to represent the people.

Bravo! This wise man counters all the claims by Dingle, Pelosi, and Hoyer, that anyone who opposes this outrageous plan, known as “Obnamacare” is either a Nazi or a thug. It seems that many of the Democrats have taken the talking points home for the recess. But their talking points do not counter the truth. That truth is the fact that Obamacare is an abomination.

Hey KPD, I hope you are wearing some depends when you got pissed off at this guy. If you got pissed off at just that, you must be swimming in piss all your life long. Get a grip, Dick.

Well, idiot slice, your own stupid damn democrats have stated that they did not read their own bill, you dumb arse troll. These are guys paid for reading these bills. And why create such ridiculously large bills? If it is too complex then scale down the plan into more reasonably sized bills. Slice, you drooling idiot, when your own dem leaders say the bill is so complicated that it takes lawyers to understand it then maybe YOUR LEADERS did it wrong. Just a thought.

I’m so sick of these politicians!!! Look at that old geezer he’s what 83. This is part of the problem with career political hacks! We need term limits in the worst way but that will never happen.

WE WORK

WE PAY TAXES

WE OBEY THE LAW

THEY CALL US RADICALS AND EXTREMISTS

They will pay for treating American citizens with such disdain.

They always sday that history repeats its self, how true. WE are now looking at Germany in the 1930,s with Adolph, Himmler, Gobels and Mengele the DR. of death. Adolph got the power, Himmler enforced it, Gobels preached it and Mengele killed it. We are now facing the same CRAP with Obama, Emmanel, Pelosi & Gibbs, and Dr. Ezekel Emmanuel. This health care bill is nothing more than TOTAL POWER OVER OUR LIVES, make no mistake about it. POWER, POWER, POWER, is the name of the game.

Get used to it lefties. You thought when your man got in there and then when that clown Franken got in the Senate it would be a cakewalk. Surprise, surprise. You squawked and cried for 8 years and now we’re supposed to be passive. You’re nuttier than I thought you were.

JOHN F. KERRY SERVED IN VIETNAM – http://www.SWIFTVETS.com

http://www.liveshot.cc/billions_and_billions.htm

When Code Pink and Moveon.org people do this kind of thing, it’s patriotic dissension. What a bunch of monumental hypocrites.

“KPD” asked why the man did not get specific as to what the threats were and why he didn’t come out and explain it fully. I don’t have the answer to that, but I just wanted to give my two cents as to what my guess is. Coming from a law enforcement background, it is very likely that the man may have been told not to discuss the specifics of what took place. Sometimes, in order for a proper police investigation to take place, the details should not be leaked out. So it is entirely possible that he purposely did not get into specifics for that reason. Of course, he was also very nervous (and upset), and after the interview was over, he probably thought to himself, “I could have done better in explaining things”. I think most of us would feel that way if it was our first time on TV.

The only thing that has “changed” under the Obama administration is that the Left now feels comfortable in showing the American people exactly that they are, and what they want, and just how contemptuous they are of us.

Yes We Can…LIE,CHEAT and STEAL…YES WE CAN!!!

http://www.AmericanPatrol.com – FOR THE TRUTH!

This is a disgrace. This America and instead, I feel like I am in Nazi Germany. What is going on????? And I a democrat…I am disgusted with my party. And I apologize to my fellow citizens for voting these creeps in…I had no idea. I do not want this healthcare and I standing up with you to protest. I am also changing my registration to independent!

Remember when dem trolls were saying that Bush spent the so-called Clinton surplus (supposedly 127 billion)? As it turns out the debt under Clinton was always on the positive side. The lowest deficit spending was 17 billion (again not a surplus but a deficit). In any case, IN ONE MONTH Obama had 182 BILLION deficit spending. Dont look for a surplus unless the idiot lying dem thugs go ahead and just invent another phony one on paper. Dems are nothing but scam artists. So why would we trust them now to introduce the most expensive god awful new big government program? Because we can now magically trust them? The magically dont lie any more? Sorry, but the dems need to be removed from office, one and all.

Unions are exempt from the bill as are polcitciians and Congress. Buried in the bill you will find
that taxpayers will end up paying for private insurance for unions. In fact, it is more of a
retirement and healthcare plan for union workers. It is an outrage and UnConstitutional.
Some peopel are more equal than others.

I am sorry for this family but the pre-existing condition of cerebral palsy is NOT covered under your insurance plan. And seniors — tell me why there is no private insurance? Because when you are 75 years old you are by definition uninsurable. Oh lost your job and your insurance, I’m sorry, take two aspirin and call Sarah Palin I’m sure she’ll have your ‘cure’ you mavricky ol’ son of gun. The NY Post give me a break — keep on shillin’ for the insurance ‘corporate welfare queens’ — that’s fine with me. The fear mongers whine and win, american doctors and middle class lose.

The ONLY reason I even go to work, is so my children and wife will have “Health Insurance”. If the Government starts providing health insurance for “unemployed” people, my back will start hurting, and I will never work another day in my life. A hundred million people will do that. I’m sure the Nazi’s (central planners – in both parties) know this. But how does this fit into their plan – to get Central planners running all the means of production?

When did it become un-American to oppose Communism?

Join me fellow citizens and change your registration to independent. Let’s these folks in DC know that we are not going to take it any more…no more politic parties…vote for individual and what they stand for.

After decades of never taking up substantial issues, and therefore never having to directly confront dissenting opinion, Congress is finally being challenged by the democratic freedom of free speech. One would only expect that such an important issue would illicit strong and varied opinion. Their response? To call people whose strong opinions dissent from their policy “thugs.” The true test of our democracy will be in whether congressional representation hears and responds to public concern or continues to “push through” the bill on their own terms. Nancy Pelosi and her leadership are the real thugs and her attack of American free speech is the only “un-american” acts I have read about.

The crazies from http://www.DumpChrisDodd.com are really getting on my nerves!

2010…BRING IT ON!

$$$$$$$$$$$$

flag@whitehouse.gov

Obama is fast becomming the “Mugabe” of America. Good luck to those of you who voted for him!!!!!!!!!

If this National Healthcare plan is so good for us why don’t the Congress and the President have the same coverage as the rest of us. Afterall, we are the ones paying THEIR bills too. One more thing that I don’t understand is how OUR so-called representatives can vote on a bill that they have not even read,let alone truly understand themselves. Slow down and do it right. Change for change sake is not always good.

The way most of you wingnuts talk about Obama and reform of our health insurance system makes me realize that you are being brainwashed by the Limbaughs of this country and letting your racist anger to vent. Show some respect and learn the facts before spewing your recycled garbaged over and over.

I had always hoped that John Dingell would have proposed legislation with Marion Barry as the
Dingell/Berry amendment. They could have just said “We’re nuts”. I just love how these little
nazi’s behave when dealing with the people. How’s that hope-N-change workin for ya?

The first problem is that this guy read the lies by Betsy Mcaughey. He needs to do his own research. People are outraged about parts of the bill that don’t even exist. Wake up sheeple!

Still waiting for a demo-rat to tell us why dissent was considered PATRIOTIC when Bush was in office…but now, WE have to…shut up!

If you want a taste of “Nazi Germany”, you need go no further than the Republican tactics…their organized disruptions of the town halls, the fearmongering on right-wing radio, the Joe-the-Plumber-style shills, their general tone of intolerance, not to mention their thinly-veiled racist rhetoric is more like Kristallnacht than anything the Democrats are doing…..

Dingle “infiltrated this meeting” — I thought THs are public. Not any more. Move along folks, no fish here.

Hello – Let Representative Dingle know next election he is himself, is useless and no longer wanted in the Congress, vote his sorry butt out of office., We do not need these self aggrandized politiciations in office, they are our public servants, not the other way around. Voting them out of office is the strongest message we a citizens can deliver to these Obama morons.

The tide is turning. The majority of people are realizing that putting Obama, Pelosi, and Reid in charge of this country was a big mistake. These people are arrogant, self-absorbed, and totally out of touch with the voters. They hate us and think we’re idiots. Guess what, you fascist jerks? We’re not stupid and we’re not going to take it anymore!

I live in Wisconsin, and if Steve Kagen ever grows a big enough pair of balls to have another town hall meeting, you can bet I’ll be there asking questions, and I defy any union thug or ACORN creep to try and stop me. Only the police will be able to do that, and if they do, you can bet I’ll have a lawyer on their asses.

The liberals won the election. I can deal with that, but how DARE they try to silence me?? Who do they think they are?? They can whine about the Republicans all they want, and I’m no fan of the Republicans, but at least the RNC never tried to shut me up. And the Democrats can TRY to do so, but they never will. Fascists!!

Amazing, an American citizen voicing concern is a “trouble maker”.

We need to clean house.

I’m an R, but you guys are f’ing crazy.

Is Chris Dodd, Ted Kennedy, Maria Schriver in Cuba taking advantage of their wonderful health care? Or maybe Canada or Great Britain? These are the countries that the aforementioned emulate, and want to be the blueprint for our care, except for themselves of course.

You can’t take the word of Obama. We know he places no value on life. He supports taxpayer funding abortion in America and abroad, he supports partial birth abortion, he voted for infanticide for babies born alive as a result of botched abortions, he supports abortions for children without the consent or knowledge of their parents. Does he support euthanasia? He is the least moral president in American history.

Obama lacks charity. He gave almost nothing to charity before attaining a position in the senate. He allowed his half-brother and aunt to live in abject poverty.

President Obama had the opportunity to save 600,000 senior citizens who are in foreclosure but chose to spend our tax dollars funding ACORN, La Raza, abortions around the world, the Wyoming toad program, the Wild horse program, the Salt Marsh Harvest Mouse. In doing so he defined for every senior citizen his attitude toward them. To be forewarned is to be for armed.

The democrats are really shooting themselves in the foot by calling everybody who complains a ‘Planted Protester’. Just a very divisive strategy…. I think their power has gone to their heads. My question is why aren’t more people upset about not only health care but also all the financial shenanigans? Is it simply because Bush started it? I mean really he laid the necessary ground work for universal healthcare with his Prescription Drug Bill. Are you sure we have two political parties? I don’t really see the difference anymore.

Why don’t we protest anymore?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUF1mcvVUTs

What has happened in this country, that, when you agree with them, you are a patriotic American, but if you dare to disagree, you are a swastika carrying, and-American, dissident, that has no more use for them, other than to be their astro turf, for them to walk upon us. They send in Union thugs. Yet for 8 years, they dogged Bush, protested, carried signs, made accusations, and that was their god given right, yet we don’t have the same right. Go look up The Complete Lives System, it was made by Rahm Emanuel’s Brother, who is a supposed doctor, who is another obama appointee. Look on page 6, it shows specifically that the very young and the old, will get little to no health care, its in a graph. They ones who will get the majority of care are productive citizens between the ages of 15-40. These are not my words, I am just point them out, this is what this administration has in store for us.

kpd & slice -

The question you guys really are trying to ask is why the Obama administration hasn’t already jailed all of we who dislike your messiah. Your wondering how long Obama can be patient with people who disagree and won’t get with the program. Why are they even allowed to speak anymore? The election was decided, right. Now it’s your turn, and the rest of us should just shut up, right? And while we’re at it, why not just ban conservative community organizers? That would make you both happy, right?

[...] Father of Handicapped Son Received Threats After Confrontation With Rep. Dingell Filed Under: Latest News [...]

SLICE– correct, they would be covered…..for now. I HAVE read the bill, no doubt his coverage would be “grandfathered out” when the parents are gone. Have you ever been to a VA hospital? More importantly, when has the government EVER “cut costs” on ANYTHING??!!!!

Hey Eileen for freedom/liberty….no truer words have been spoken. A lot of conservatives saw this coming. It was only a matter of time when a lawyer with a socialist agenda comes into power. My next door neighbor is a retired UAW worker who pays NOTHIHG for his and his wife’s full Medical coverage. They have a $4.00 co-pay The payback for all of his “hard Work” in getting this a**hole elected is costing the people of the U S their family’s future & freedom as well as their grandchuildren’s, and Great Grandchildren. Believe me, as it said in the movie, “there will be blood.
” The tree of freedom must from time to time be watered by the blood of Patriots”
I am not advocating violence, but sometimes in order to get these dopes just to listen to their constituents requires drastic action.

Looks like Obama is the real ‘mob leader’ here. Since Obama is inciting these threats and union thug attacks, maybe he should be held accountable?

He said he had a question… WHAT”S THE QUESTION??
What an idiot.

This is sad and a disgrace! Fox will be the only one showing this, I am sure. CNN and MSNBC will be burying it from their viewers.

I am afraid for my elderly parents that are under constant doctor care for one ailment or another. I am sure there is a “put them out to pasture” clause in the 1000 page bill for anyone that actually uses the Obama-care system. 2012 will not come soon enough!

Dear connie at 1:36 pm…thank you for the apology…it is the first I have read…but I hope not the last!

Thank you for joining with the rest of America in fighting the enemy within!

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THE REVOLUTION OF THE SILENT MAJORITY – SILENT NO MORE!

1. GETTING INFORMED
2. GETTING INVOLVED

DON’T TREAD ON US…WE PAY YOUR BILLS IN WASHINGTON AND IN YOUR HOMES WHERE YOU WILL ALL BE GOING STARTING IN 2010…GUARANTEED!

America is transforming into a country ruled by Totalitarian elites who are establishing and building a Tyrannical system under which the American people will NEVER be able to emerge out from beneath. We MUST stop this NOW otherwise it will be nearly impossible to overthrow. MORE PEOPLE must THREATEN FORCE on these people just like Mr. Sola did in this interview, because the apes at ACORN will perpetrate violence against US with NO PUNISHMENT from this government. We, the American people, are on our own. We either have to FIGHT the elites, or else we will be SERVANTS to the elites and their permanent power-structure.

Brown shirts in the night. If my memory serves me back in the 1930’s it was called “the night of the long knives”

Excuse me, folks. I don’t condone the thugs on either side.

In this particular instance I think we should simply address the morality and taste of a political operative (which he is – do your homework) using his very disabled child as a prop whilst he berates a politician.

I think he deserves peace and freedom just as much as any other American but that does not make him any less of a pig.

I have been a Democrat since President Clinton. I am not alone in opposing this bill; there are other GOOD Democrats out there. This bill is evil. I agree with the post above. I call out to all GOOD DEMOCRATS who oppose this bill: “change your registration immediately.” If we all drop the Democrat party and switch to Independent, that will get the attention of these out-of-control leaders. We need to cleanse the system of the Bush-Nazis and the Obama-Nazis. We need term limits and we need people with common sense to run.

Obama needs to call forth his paid purple-shirted SEIU goons to muscle these concerned citizens out the door, and even assault them. After all, they are being “un-American,” according to Speaker Pelosi.

Just to be clear, Mr Sola, they are calling YOU un-American, not your son.

These DEMOTRAITORS are showing their disgust for American citizens who are just voicing their concerns. Make a STAND for FREEDOM.

i agree that the thuggery of govt healthcare is something no americans should have to live with. so naturally i am sure you will all agree that everyone in the armed forces should immediately be relieved of socialist thuggery and be moved to hmo. i mean come on, support the troops. we cannot have the armed forces be subjected to the tyranny of centralized healthcare.

Mr. Sola, in filing a report with the sheriff’s department, has a de facto hunting license to dispatch his tormentor(s) from this dimension. If they should return, I wish for Mr. Sola sharp eye sight, a steady hand, and a jury comprised of Ivans.

Ivan

America…keep up the good work…we are being effective in helping to wake America up!

And everytime the Democratzi put our their propaganda…we get more Americans waking up to their lies and spins!

Also note, how many more Democratzi operatives are posting on Breitbart about these Town Halls! Saying slanderous and demmeaning things about honest, average Americans who are standing up and speaking up?

That is their mantra, America, the young, irreverant, ultra-liberal, left wingers accusing and calling names and putting down anyone who dares to speak up. They are the “Union Brown Shirts” of the Internet!

Do not let the White House and their attack dogs deter you from getting out the truth and the facts. Continue to talk to your family, your friends, your neighbors…let them know what Bilderberg Bush-Obama and the Democratzi are trying to foist on the American people!

They want to take away our freedoms and liberties…and we will not have it! We will go to the death to protect our great Republic not only for ourselves but for the future of our children and their children yet to be born!

GUARANTEED!

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THE REVOLUTION OF THE SILENT MAJORITY – SILENT NO MORE!

1. GETTING INFORMED
2. GETTING INVOLVED

DON’T TREAD ON US…WE PAY YOUR BILLS IN WASHINGTON AND IN YOUR HOMES WHERE YOU WILL ALL BE GOING STARTING IN 2010…GUARANTEED!

Anyone who voted for the “affirmative action” RAT should be sending letters (not just e-mails) to him demanding he step down, and letting him know that we will NOT vote for the lying chicago THUG again. who thinks he’s still in chicago with chicago-style politics

WELCOME TO NAZICARE!

There is a reason people make fun of red states. You are fat ugly and stupid and then you get cancer and then you get angry and then you burn crosses and then you believe in jesus and then you get addicted to crystal meth and then you make child porn and then you complain that the system is broken. Stop eating twinikies, read a book get a passport and see the world and then realize how disgusting you are and why the world makes fun for your fat asses

I am furious. The Democrats & Obama are playing with fire and will be burned.

Mr Sola is a liar and a nutcase!

Whether you agree with his points or not, the man is obviously and genuinely sincere in his concern and fear of what ObamaCare
will mean for him and his. For anyone, especially an elected official, to try an marginilize people that feel like he does is
what is truly un-American.

Aside from the blizzard of grammatical errors above, this is really scary stuff. I don’t even know where to begin, but I guess I’d like to know exactly how Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber were “silenced?” I seem to remember hearing an awful lot from them. And does anyone really believe that people will be given “death pills” because they have a terminal disease? Also, define fascism. Not for me (I know what it is), but it might be instructive to actually understand the insult before you use it. Don’t get me wrong, to me fascism = bad, but since it does relate to a recent piece of actual history, you might be curious to see exactly what kind of bad it was. And while you’re at it Eileen, between reading all thousand pages of the health care bill, you might consider reading the constitution regarding the whole “impeachment” issue. As is usually the case with laws, there are specific requirements to bring such a charge to vote. This could be your new life’s mission. Of course it would require you to learn how to read. And where was I during this long period of “Silence” from the silent majority? I think I might have missed that figment of your imagination….

The Organizer in Chief is successfully laying the “case” for some form of
governmental(Executive Order? National Emergency legislation?) restriction on public gatherings,even for the so-called purpose of “TownHall ” meetings. The propaganda will be that the legislators are being “threatened, harrassed, silenced etc. Police are already being called out when citizens shout (because they are not being listened to!) There are all the accusations of the protestors being “organized” by the Republicans leaders.(No one called me!!) Of course the presence of ACORN,SEIU,and other self-proclaimed organizations is not considered to be disruptive. The Obama Puppeteers are the ones sending out the “threats”. The shame is theirs.

I actually cried as I watched this man. How DARE you Obama. HOW DARE YOU ASK FOR AMERICAN’S TO REPORT PEOPLE LIKE THIS TO YOUR LITTLE “DISINFORMATION” FILE AT FLAG@WHITEHOUSE.GOV.

I can’t believe I actually voted for you. You are nothing but a fraud. You know it. We know it. And you know that we know it.

All that is left to say is we are going to expose you for the disgusting “man” you are. YOU MAKE US AMERICAN’S SICK.

What a misleading link… turns out it’s crazy Mr Sola making the death threats!!

“It appears that reactionaries have received the Luntz memo. Keep repeating “takeover” and lie to seniors. Repeat ad nauseum. And why not? Reactionaries opposed Social Security in the 30’s and Medicare in the 60’s – programs that Americans overwhelmingly support (see efforts to privatize) – using the same dishonest methods.

So let me see if I understand–this guy doesn’t want health coverage for all American’s because it will impact the level of government support for his handicapped son?

If there is no health care reform–all government subsidized health care needs to go! That includes Medicare, Medicaid, assistance for handicapped/EC children, disability benefits, and VA benefits being paid out to anyone that was not disabled in combat or has served less than 30 years in the service.

We need to start protesting in front of the homes of these congressmen, just as they have done to this man and others who protest. Lay down in the streets and play dead so no one can move in the streets least we be dead in real life if this plan goes through.

I hope that ACORN does show up at this guy’s house and goes onto his property. If he shoots them dead, which he should do, then maybe, just maybe some of the dumbos in Washington will get the message that we the people are not cowards and there is a revolution brewing in America. Its up to them to make it a revolution of ideas or of arms. I hope and pray its one of the latter but fear and prepare for one of the former.

Its my opinion that this man is completely misinformed and undereducated. The idea of him hollering like a real slob at the top of his lungs that his kid will be left untreated by Obama’s plan is beyond insane. These mindless GOP Bush/Cheney bots ARE the problem. The banks have stole all there is to steal and this guy is out in looneytuneville.

Connie –

Welcome to the Independent movement. I’ve been registered Indpendent for decades. You gain a whole new sense of objectivity when “your” side is the truth and not a party affiliation. So again – welcome. And as Connie said – become an Independent. It’s really all that will save our country from Obamanation and from anyone else bent on fraud and overreaching.

If you don’t like the government then stop financing them. Put your money where your mouth is.

Hag Pelosi and Hoyer think they are the national police of free speech and the judges of all things that are American. To this I say eat shat and die. DEMOCRATS SUX

YES…. TERM LIMITS NOW !! That is the ONLY way that we can get the professional politicans OUT of Washington. 4 terms maximum for congress, 2 maximum for Senate… they won’t do it unless we fire a whole bunch of these outrageously arrogant people. 2010 !!! Vote out ALL incumbents in the House. 2012, vote out ALL incumbents in the Senate that are up for re-election. Incumbent = unemployed. I SALUTE the father in this video.. you Sir, are a REAL American.. None of us can put up with this any more !! FIRE PALOSI !! FIRE Reid !!! FIRE everyone currently holding office, regardless of party.. remember, the spineless Republicans didn’t do so well either.. now we have our government in the hands of an aristocracy.. let them eat cake… time for REAL CHANGE…

Boy! Pass the link to this video along! Also, just about every encounter I’ve seen lately brings up the FACT that liberal elitists in Congress simply REFUSE to give up their own cushy federal employee health insurance – THEY EXEMPTED THEMSELVES FROM THE PLAN THEY HAVE FOR US! (yeah, just like Marie Antoinette…) Sign the petition for HR 615 by rep John Fleming (LA) to FORCE these socialists to use the SAME government plan they want to foist on us. If it’s soooo good that why shouldn’t THEY be forced to use it too for THEMSELVES and THEIR families? If they refuse – THROW THESE ELITISTS OUT OF OFFICE!!!

America’s ignorance knows no bounds – faux news produces faux news.

Let these union thugs come to my house. If they come to harm me, I will defend myself

What is Sola complaining about? Is he demanding no healthcare for his son? Do we even know that anyone went to his house or are they taking the word of a raving lunatic that someone went to his house? It doesn’t make any sense.

One death pill and a glass of water for Mr Sola… STAT!!

Ha ha.

Hey Chris and John…. you are arrogant jerks. Wake up and try being honest with yourself. Screw the party line BS and get informed…

How dare Rep Dingell call this people thugs! He is the thug.

This is so much fun!! I love coming on the blogs while I sit at home collecting unemployment and trash talk a Health Reform Plan that I know nothing about–but since so many other out-of-work/non-productive Republican brethren are spitting out the false talking points from Drudge and Fox I might as well jump on the bandwagon. Never mind that I have no idea what I’m talking about–lets cut Obama off at the knees!! Heck with enough negativity, we lower the confidence of the American consumer and kill any hopes of recovery. The stock market is sitting at 9500–with the help of Fox, Drudge, and the masses of stupid people–maybe we can the stock market to 7000!! Woot! No matter if we get health care or not–there never will be a cure for stupid.

Obama and the DEMONAZIS are thhe disease. 2010 / 2012 is the cure. VOTE AMERICAN

A lot of these Townhollerers are pretty good-sized. All are white, most are men, mostly fat. They do not look smart to me, but they do look very angry. The irony of a bunch of older, out-of-shape, overweight guys stressing themselves out trying to defeat health care reform that they themselves are sure to benefit from is just too much.

Racism? -many of ‘em.

Sore Losers? – ALL of ‘em !

It’s about time the party changed its name to keep up with the times, I suggest it be named the National Social Democrat Americans’ Party, the NSDAP.

Wake up fellow Americans. It’s time to throw those in government out before they spend all our money. Oh, too late for that. Well, before they kill us with the upcoming mandatory Swine Flu vaccination or throw us in prison camps if we refuse.

300 million American citizens vs Obama, his thugs and Congress. Time to clean house.

Complete Lives System Read it for yourself http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/PIIS0140673609601379.pdf

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of Rahm Emanuel and Obama?s Health Policy Adviser, announced a new Complete Lives System for selecting which sections of the population should be killed, in his article ?Principles for Allocation of Scarce Medical Interventions.. His writings were published Jan. 31, 2009 in the British medical journal Lancet 11 days after President Obama?s inauguration.

On March 19, Emanuel was appointed to the Federal Coordinating Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research, to begin the design of a Federal system for withdrawing care from those chosen for death. Dr. Emanuel provides a preview of how such a system will get started. Such an approach accepts a two-tiered health system-some citizens will receive only basic services while others will receive both basic and some discretionary health services Substantively, it suggests services that promote the continuation of the polity-those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberations-are to be socially guaranteed as basic.

Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated. This may be justified by public opinion, since broad consensus favors adolescents over very young infants, and young adults over very elderly people.

Strict youngest-first allocation directs scarce resources predominantly to infants. This approach seems incorrect. The death of a 20-year-old woman is intuitively worse than that of a 2-month-old girl, even though the baby has had less life. The 20-year-old has a much more developed personality than the infant, and has drawn upon the investment of others to begin as-yet-unfulfilled projects. Adolescents have received substantial substantial education and parental care, investments that will be wasted without a complete life. Infants, by contrast, have not yet received these investments. It is terrible when an infant dies, but worse, most people think, when a three-year-old child dies, and worse still when an adolescent does.

Obamacare.

“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it” -Adolf Hitler

The Union thugs of the AFL-CIO are trying to intimidate Americans. They are not Americans. Union are bastions of Socialism. Drains on Society. Always have been, always will be.

This man is what I would call a “Real American Hero.” Not many like this man in todays USA. If only Pelosi, obama or Reid had 1/10 of his courage. Yes, Virginia there are a few Heroes today, but none of them are in the democratic party, we just call them zombies.

Whew!!! They damn near passed the bill before recess. Now the center has to hold until 2010. The Obamanics nevr wanted this bill to see daylight.
Thank God there are enough of the truly enlightened to put up resistance.

The uninformed and lazy put Obama into the White House and this version of the Democratic Party into power, it’s up to us traditional, knowledgable American’s to remove them in the next election.

You’re not allowed to question this administration. If you do, you ewnd up like this gentleman, risk being reported to the White House and being compared to a brown shirt which belittles the victims of WWII.

Let’s end this.

In 2005 the Progressive Caucus crafted its “Progressive Promise” document, which advocates socialized medicine; radical environmentalism; the redistribution of wealth; higher taxes; the elimination of numerous provisions of the Patriot Act; dramatic reductions in the government’s intelligence-gathering capabilities; debt relief for poor countries; and the quick withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. These measures, says the Progressive Caucus, would help “re-build U.S. alliances around the world, restore international respect for American power and influence, and reaffirm our nation’s constructive engagement in the United Nations and other mult
ilateral organizations.”

Can you guess who the members are of this group?

Bunch of proteciontists here – dont buy it for a second. Let big corporations fail – let the insurance companies go under – they’ve been getting richer and richer off of our sweat for decades. Cover the masses, take their money, but as soon as they start utilizing the benefit, cancel their policies. The big, corrupt, lazy corporations (take not AIG, GE, Etc) have to fall – it’s too late already – their foundation is cracking, and the pathetic street theater that is these false protestors (corporate plants) are just the last gasps of air from their collective dying breaths.

It’s all smoke and mirrors, folks – they’ve been getting away with taking your money and reducing your benefits for far too long – and it’s all to subsidize their mansions and lifestyles. Aren’t you tired of corporations taking your money and then moving your job to a third world country overseas? Aren’t you sick of corporations and their lobbyists now responsible for more than 90% of the laws being written? Who exactly do you think those laws benefit?

It’s easy to follow: When a corrupt administration is in power, and they want to further deregulate industry and allow for globalism at the expense of the populace, the corporations line up in support of profit. Seeing as the corporations now control the media (including what passes as news) it should be no surprise that they support the administration and agenda that are going to make allow them to create more corrupt profit at the hands of our middle class.

On the flip side – when you get an administration that wants to reduce corporate rights, ensure that regulation is in place so the populace doesn’t get screwed, and reign in corporate profit and multi-national abuse, then that same corporate power that still controls the media will send out negative messages attacking our administration and even sending corporate attorneys and thugs in suits to town hall meetings to create false protests based on all-out lies.

Stop drinking the kool-aid, and stop listening to corporate mouthpieces like Glenn Beck who couldn’t postulate an original idea that wasn’t piped into his earpiece for him under ANY circumstances.

Corporations want to create a feeling of mistrust against a government that is seeking to protect the rights of it’s people, when their profits are threatened. Wouldn’t it be nice to have the American people come together on their future for once, instead of staying constantly mired down in philosophical arguments that can never be decided? Together our country has proven to be that “shining light” capable of raising the world to a higher level. Trapped by corporate media into constant argument, name-calling and lies will only benefit the corporations while we all drown in our own bile.

Collective idiots we are – and that’s just the way they like us. Spending money on their products to keep us trapped in conflict. Wake up, people.

Hey Wil Burns…your a communist/socialist…move to Cuba

Funny, but as it turns out “Unemployable Republican” turns out to be an unemployable democrat. That is the problem here. DEMOCRATS cant help but lie because their plans are god awful stupid and everyone knows it. The only difference is democrats lie about what they know and republicans tell the truth about what they know. Then we have pointless debates. Dems keep lying and Republicans keep correcting their lies.

All of this is simple, actually; Obama plans to murder his way into a Police State, the same way Hilter did it. He just has another name for “The Final Solution.” Ironic he calls his Genocide Plan “Healthcare!”

This stupid loud mouthed oaf is too dumb to be a parent. Anyone so dumb as to allow themselves to be used by the health care industry to deny their family the basic guaranteed coverage of the proposed health insurance reform is so disconnected from reality that they have become a danger to themselves and others. As for “threats”, if some gasbag like this oaf interrupted my community meeting, I would cheer on anyone who wanted to beat them senseless.

Hey, idiot joe in denver, yes, there are lots of protectionists here. You and your dumb arse troll companions are protecting Obama and protecting big government. Which makes joe in denver pretty damn stupid. But then, he has heard that from even his friends.

What’s the problem Wil, don’t like White people?

Oh shut the hell up Obama haters. You didn’t give a rip when Bush was killing innocent people in Iraq or looting the national treasury to fund illegal wars…you didn’t care when Rumsfeld lost 2 Trillion dollars or when Bush was helping his Wall Street scammer buddies like Abramoff and Bernie Madoff rip off America. Just sit down and STFU already you bunch of lunatics.

Politicians like Dingelberry and Pelosi need to be hung. Killed in the town square so that a message can be sent as to who they work for. Just start taken these self-serving morons out!

This is much more then an outrage, this is an attempt by a well driven machine that is very adept at being bullies to the normal American citizen. These same people who are being bullied are the people who get up and go to work each and every day, pay taxes and just want what is best for their families. I am a VIETNAM VETERAN, who if I remember correctly took an oath to protect and defend the United States at all cost even death. Where has this same Constitution gone today?? People like Obama and his bullies playing tough guy Chicago politics intimidating people should be shown the door as quick as possible. Silent America has always and will always prevail in situations such as what is going on now. If Obama and friends do not like the way things are, there are plenty of countries they can go, FRANCE, ENGLAND,CANADA etc..To all of you politicians “Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out”

Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot…

People should not fear their Government. Government should fear their people!

“un-American? you have to FN KIDDING ME….congressman working for themselves and not AMERICA is unAmerican”

It’s the CHICAGO way.
Brought to Washington DC by Obama and Rahm.
And the uninformed voters of Obama (a majority didn’t even know that the Democrats controlled Congres and Senate – They answered Rpubs by almost 60% at the polls in November).

Hey, KMichaels – what a brilliant and well-though out argument you just presented. So many good talking points and specific references to address the problem at hand. You are a true debater, my friend – Wow! – Exactly which troll corporations am I in line with? Did you not notice the part where I want the big corporations to fail? You, my friend, are a perfect representation of the problem – all argument, no points, and no tact whatsoever. Idiot.

MikeB you are a stupid lying putz.

In case you missed it PUTZ

He already has his sons treatment paid for by the insurance company.

Under Obama plan all sorts of variables will be introduced.

The likely path followed will be more power grabs by the government, a government monopoly, rationed cares, and untrained politicians making medical decisions. It has happened in every country that has tried this god awful stupid plan.

So, MikeB, up yours.

Will Burns: well everyone believes nancy pelosi, that people are wearing swastikas to these town hall meetings, Oh? and was this verified, witnessed? NO,so why should we not believe him? I am more in favor in believing him than the witch pelosi. Mr. Sola has more truth than the libs and fascists running this country and their goose stepping blind followers, like?….

Gabrielle Giffords said someone threatened her at a townhall meeting with a gun in Douglas, AZ, so she will not be having any Townhall meetings, was this verified? No, did she call the police? I don’t think so… But the news paper printed it like it was gospel.. So yes I give Mr Sola a thumbsup, definitely more honest than a cheap polititian.

hussein’s “MANDATORY Healthcare End-Of-Life Counseling” for seniors: “Take either the red pill or the blue pill. With the red pill you die immediately. With the blue pill you die tomorrow. Choose your pill, NOW!”

Achtung! The new political order is here!

You, citizens of our socialist society, have an obligation to do what is best for the Fatherland. If you are not part of the solution, you are a problem. Economic growth and strength of the Fatherland DEMANDS THAT PROBLEMS BE ELIMINATED.

If you are a senior, or are weak, sick, infirm, handicapped (mentally or physically) or retired, you MUST take one of the pills offered by OUR BELOVED MESSIAH. If you do not comply, you will be shipped to one of the “camps”.

All Hail TheOne! Resistance is futile!

—-This message has been sponsored by the Loony-Left D-crat Socialist Party.
Hussein: “I approve of this message.”

Fight America!!!Your rights are being tossed…

Obama doesn’t care about you unless you are black and when its convenient for him “latino.”

Just to be clear, John, they are calling us Americans STUPID while lying to the really stupid Americans who voted for this clown circus. And calling the opposition “Nazi” and “disruptive to America” is clear proof that Truth can only be offended by epithets reflective of the hurler. It’s when idiots don’t understand the concept of “Freedom” that they sympathize with a part of the government which spent 8 years denigrating a sitting President with the same terms they hurl now–complicit with the sycophantic Main Stream Media–only because their followers failed reading comprehension, are impervious to Truth, were watching reruns of the Jerry Springer Show and believe that Santa Claus/Jesus lives in the White House now.

The man in the video above is a true American hero and it’s about time WE ALL QUIT TAKING THIS BS sitting down! TRUTH will prevail unless we surrender it to progressivism passively. Then we’ll have nobody to blame but ourselves. We are the people and we are the will. Congress be damned!

it,s time to clean these creeps out of washington all you morons who think obama and the far left demorats are so great you take the commie healthcare and when all the creeps in washington take it to better wake up sheeple

It’s pretty clear what is happening. These people are being sent to these town
halls to loudly repeat lies. They have their marching orders and are following to
the letter. They ask a “question” but really that is a disguise to get the
propaganda out there. Then they talk loudly over the answer so nobody will hear
the counterpoint. I’m not for this healthcare reform because it is more big govt
you should be able to argue against it on that alone. But they know they have to
appeal to the rights base emotions. How many seconds went by before they spread
the lie that it would pay for abortions?
http://factcheck.org/2009/07/false-euthanasia-claims/

Just joe in denver. The big corporation you want to protect is Big Government. I stated it already idiot joe in denver. I suggest you learn to read. Here I am repeating what you should have already been able to read the first time. I really dont like to have to subsidize your reading comprehension just because you are TOO STUPID to read it the first time. Have a nice Obama HealthCare related death, dimwit.

if you voted for the dems, why are you talking now????? if you voted for obama, why are you talking now??? if you didnt vote at all, why do you talk period, seeing how you piss on all the graves of the ones who SHED THEIR BLOOD and GAVE THEIR LIFE for your rights, which YOU take for granted– and finally, if you voted McCain, i know hes not much, but at least he is AMERICAN, and fought for our freedoms

“Oh shut the hell up Obama haters. You didn’t give a rip when Bush was killing innocent people in Iraq or looting the national treasury to fund illegal wars…you didn’t care when Rumsfeld lost 2 Trillion dollars or when Bush was helping his Wall Street scammer buddies like Abramoff and Bernie Madoff rip off America. Just sit down and STFU already you bunch of lunatics.”

You obviously are lacking a clue. Oh yes, OH YES WE WERE!
It was fools like you who watch MSNBC and CNN and were TOLD that we didn’t care. LOL! We did, always have.

Bush was bad, Obama is worse.

How about Obama with NO PLAN to withdraw from Afghanistan. Remember how he chastised Bush for not having one? Guess what, he doesn’t. A surge? Here it comes! Do you care that OBAMA is killing innocent people in Iraq and Afgh. now?

And sorry, the war wasn’t “illegal” even by your screwy interpretation. We had UN approval, if that’s what you mean. So, it’s you that needs to STFU.

P.S. We don’t “hate” Obama. We just hate and are scared of his socialistic policies.

Libertarian just loudly repeated the DNC lie. Nothing new there. Idiot Obamabots and idiot Huffingglue Posters just repeating the DNC talking points. We heard them. We dont believe them. Shut the hell up. SHUT THE HELL UP. Yell or not yell, your ideas SUCK. They are bad for America. They have NEVER EVER WORKED BEFORE so not likely to work now that the big spending chicago THUG is bullying everyone. So please, SHUT THE HELL UP. We heard your views, NOW HEAR OURS.

The folks that keep posting the http://www.ncpa.org site–you guys do know that site is run by a republican organization out of Texas, right? Just want to make sure you understand that when you say to go here and read it yourself–you are sending people to made up fiction brought to us by the same folks that ran the Swift Boat ads?

The scary thing isn’t the health care reform. The scare thing is how easily the American public is deceived by mis-information and propaganda.

“These people are being sent to these town halls to loudly repeat lies.”

What? Sent?
Like ACORN was sent? Like Code Pink? That was all OK, right?
Funny how the left ADMITS to “sending” people. Right now, the SEIU is paying members to show up at town halls. It’s OK for the left, but not the right, huh?

Lies? HA!
And Pelosi and Obama have not told any? Not even hidden some truth?
How about the one about keeping your plan/doctor? LOL! You can, but if you change jobs, etc… or start your own business, you can NO LONGER stay on the plan YOU want. So… Obama is technically telling the truth, but hiding the “BUT”. For me… that’s a LIE.

The mental illness ‘liberal Dimocratzi’ cannot be cured, but it will be brought under control on 4Nov10.

This is the nail in the coffin – they are ALL toast now. From now on I will vote against EVERY single incumbent (no matter what party they belong to) in the next elections until we have removed ALL of these low life con artists. They are all guilty of gross negligence at best – they don’t even read the bills they’re elected to vote on. The one thing they have to do, and they can’t do it. In the private sector anyone of us would’ve been fired long ago for crap like this. We’ve had it. It’s frying time and my finger’s going to be right on the trigger in the ballot box in every up coming election. I’m sick of it ALL.

Obama admitted during the campaign that he supports a single payer system, i.e. Socialized Medicine; and, his “Government Option” is designed to force private insurers out of the market in order to achieve precisely that goal. As Obama said: “I don’t think we’re going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There’s going to be potentially some transition process…” Barney Frank then unashamedly admitted that Obama’s “Public Option” was simply a Trojan Horse for surreptitiously introducing full blown Socialized Medicine. The American people have spoken loud and clear that Socialized Medicine is anathema; but, Obama’s Marxist psyche prohibits him from accepting free market reforms which should begin with shutting down illegal immigration and Tort Reform, both of which Obama unconditionally rejects. Obama’s ACORN is busily registering illegals; and, Trial Lawyers are among his principal campaign contributors. But the most insidious part of Obama’s plan is the coming bureaucratic denial of life saving procedures for the elderly. As Obama says: “Take an aspirin” and just wait to die. ( Pg 30: SEC. 123. HEALTH BENEFITS ADVISORY COMMITTEE of HC bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.AND, PG 430: SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.) The elderly should revolt over Obama’s health care proposals. He learned from his wife Michelle that considerable sums of health care funds could be saved by the practice of “patient dumping” which Michelle employed in Chicago. Facts that are precisely why Health Care legislation, that HAD TO BE DONE BY YESTERDAY, does not take effect until 2013, i.e. AFTER the next presidential election when voters will then be blindsided by a pending disaster. And, just remember that Obama and his Congressional colleagues have EXEMPTED themselves from compliance with their own proposed health care debacle. Greg Neubeck

I have emailed my representative Lloyd Doggett.
Have called his office too.
He has no townhall meetings planned. None.

Wasn’t this what August recess was for?

The problem is NOT the repubs or the right.
The problem is that INDEPENDENTS (like myself) do not like this plan.

Would the plan pay for Abortions. Of course it would. There is no restriction against tax payer funded abortions in the new Obama health care plan. In order not to pay for abortions, because they are considered health issues by the liberals, then the new bill would have to SPECIFICALLY make it so that abortions are not paid for. WHICH THEY DID NOT DO, therefore, abortions must assuredly will be paid for by tax payers that object to abortion. When it is government FORCED CHARITY it is only the government that deems the worthiness of the need (or fake need as the case is).

Actually, to set the record straight, KMichaels, I am a college graduate, a veteran of Desert Storm/Desert Shield, and a homeowner with three kids, two currently in college. I served as a Journalist (MOS 46Q) in the U.S. Army at Dugway Proving Ground, and for the Chief of Public Affairs in Heidelberg. I have an undergraduate degree in economics and I am currently self-employed operating a small home-based business, while my wife is a hospital administrator. My reading comprehension is not the problem – but you understanding of corporate law an U.S. History seems to be. Look back to good ol’ FDR and the power that he provided to corporations which was quickly corrupted and ending up giving corporations even more powers and less responsibility than the average American citizen.

I served under the Bush’s and Cheney, and know far too well the dangers of having a bunch of old CIA spooks who are profit-oriented run the country in the ground for personal gain.

So, please save me the rather elementary insults you are hurling at me, and provide me with an actual argument. If all you can do is lie, scream and point – then it’s time for you to go and barge in on another town hall meeting to disrupt the truth. Until you actually get a point, why don’t you just shut the frick up and go back to sitting in that tree with your banjo.

You can create all the hatred and hype that you want on-line, but I know the truth, and I still have a soul. How about you?

Dingle should have been retired to the junk yard years ago. He has all sorts of titanium hips and knees etc. which Obamacare would deny to millions of seniors under their plan. http://cooperscopy.blogspot.com/

The general tone of these comments can be summed up as follows:

Conservative: Keep your nose out of our lives, government.
Liberal: Conservatives are white, fat, racist, male pigs.

Vote out ALL INCUMBENTS!

Punk thug Dems. Give ‘em a majority and they show their true colors and they aren’t red, white and blue. Keep it up Obama boys. Another shovel of dirt on your administration’s grave every time something like this happens!

Kind of fun watching the dems implode due to the weight of their own hypocrisy. They want to ram Obamacare down our throats, but the writing is on the wall. Watch for a major shift in power come 2010 as the American people shed these socialist near-do-wells in record numbers.

Even their liberal double-speak, claiming the protesters are organized is falling flat. Just as every lie should. Obama’s socialist agenda and milquetoast leadership will do for him what it did for Jimmy Carter’s presidency, which is–namely–a single turn at the helm.

The Communist-infested Democrat party wrote the book on in-your-face protests, yet they cry like babies when their own tactics are used against them. Hypocrites!

You sir are an idiot!, small wonder you are unemployed!.
I have been hiring and FIRING people like you for the past 35 years, and you all display the same
pathetic, I am a “VICTIM” qualities.
You should be out looking for a Job, instead of seating on your probably fat behind, and reading blogs!.
I would say good luck to you, but luck has nothing to do with it, it’s attitude change that you need!.

So then, we get higher taxes to pay for idiots like Libertarian and JoeInDenver to have FREE healthcare so that we all might enjoy longer waits and less treatment and less choice and higher expenses and MORE RUNAROUND. No thanks. And what about all the increased expense for paying for millions and millions more illegal aliens which Obama seems to be encouraging. Again, we dont need yet another gullible minority base selling their votes in order to keep chicago thugs and attention wh-ores in power.

Luckily, the truth is that there is far more support for Obama and his administration than their is derision. They minority are just very loud, and currently hold the lease to the pulpits. As their fortunes and profits fade, so will their voices. The bigger they are, and all….. Personally I’m holding out for the meek inheriting the earth – problem is – who’s going to want the polluted, war-torn and profit-ravaged earth that we are left with?

Remember when the Dems called the Reugs EVIL when they wanted to “cut” medicare? Actually, it wasn’t a ‘cut’, but a cut in the INCREASE in funding.

Remember that?

Now, Obama wants to really CUT $500B from Medicare.

Why not a peep from anybody?
Dems? Lefties? Why not?

as the secretary of state said – we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration

Real Americans have had enough of the America bashing/hatred by obama

As a former democrat – I apologize for what my former party has brought on America

unfortunately, there are still many brain dead democrats drinking the koolaide – I guess the America hating radicals are always there – just like hanoi jane or frenchie clooney.

But, America has seent he truth and – the worm has turned and obama is going, going ……..

Longer Waiting
Higher Taxes
Higher expenses
Fewer Choice.
More Government Control.
Taxpayer funded abortions.
Increasing list of deadbeats.

Hey, who would not want such a good deal as this.

good luck chuck_ you are a liAR… JUST LIKE YOUR CROOK OBAMA! my son has cp and in florida he should be covered until 3.. well geuss what BCBs Has covered EVERYTHING…and FLORIDA – 2 copays a week…. from 15 hours of therapy he requires.So this pre existing condition is bull because bcbs has gone beyond their 30 visits approves unlimited therapy. NAtzi obama wants to tell me i need to pay for some stupid americans who cant finish school or take responsibility for spreading their legs…while my son is denied because he costs too much ! Eat &&it.. and yes,I am a “mob member” at 23 i have 2 children who i support and i dont need yours…

The truth is, this man was apparently very disruptive during this meeting. He can voice all the concern he has, but he should be more respectful of other people who have other questions and not shout down speakers at a town hall.

He also fails to bring any credible arguments to the forefront, in the interview he should have gone in detail as to what in the bill would exclude his son, and the reporter should have investigated a bit on this “amendment” that was cited by the congressman. Also, the irony is that for private insurance, a lot of companies WILL DECLINE to cover his son because he obviously has a pre-existing condition, I should know since I had a family member die because her health insurance refused to pay for a liver transplant due to that excuse.

Everybody has a right to question these plans, but we should be having an intelligent debate instead of this. Also, who called his son a “thug”? Nobody, he’s using his son as a shield to his rants, what people are criticizing is HIM and others like him who turn up at these events to shout and chant slogans.

Obamacare will not give any senior any sort of quality of life insuring medical procedure, like these fossil in the house and senate get every year. Dingle would already be dead and crippled under Obamacare. Not artificial joints for you sir, you’re too old…http://cooperscopy.blogspot.com/

Same old right wing rhetoric. I wonder what church leader told this guy to attend. Seriously fox, can’t you do any better? How about more t-bagging stories.

Once everything was free, a higher and higher amount of deadbeats will be created. You lose the incentive to work then you end up finding lots of reasons not to work. Your neighbor works 70 hour weeks and you still get free everything from the government. If you are that deadbeat you would be thinking what a gullible sucker your neighbor is for all his efforts you get the same rewards as he does.

WE THE PEOPLE need to a HUNDRED MILLION citizen march on Washington, and attack these congressional fools in Washington who are killing freedom and liberty in America, and literally throw them the hell out! This government has turned against us.

The people must fight for their rights, so idiots like Boozy Boxer and Ninny Pelousy cannot win, because once freedom is gone it ain’t coming back in your lifetime! Think hard about that and get rid of Pelousy, Fiendstien, Boxer, Schumer, Durbin, Waxman, Obama, Dingellhead etc. They want total control over your healthcare so they can legally kill anyone they want! It’s called the Death List Database (DLD).

How many campaign promises has Obama lied about? All of ‘em! He ran on lies and he can’t stop lying. Remember the IL lottery numbers came up as 666 and 7779 the day after the election. That is not a coincidence. Calling this bill “healthcare” is a lie in itself, as it’s really about reducing the population, starting with, 1. aborting babies 2. killing the sick, Old and Disabled,…. who Obama sees as a burden on his true god that is government. Having such power over people is the goal of all liberals, and they are the truly sick ones!

Hey, KM – I have really good healthcare right now. I would give it up in a second for a lesser plan, if I knew that EVERYONE could have coverage. Do you really think for a second that you aren’t paying much more for the treating families without insurance that can’t afford to pay for treatment already? When poor people get sick or injured, they have a right to medical treatment – you end up paying the MUCH higher insurance premiums through their profit-oriented companies already. If you provide everyone access to health care, then they go to the doctor and get treatment before an expense ER visit (at your and my expense). Giving everyone health care means that everyone sees a doctor regularly, and our society isn’t burdened with ridiculous ER costs. What’s your solution – if you’re too poor to provide health care for your family, then they no longer have a right to live? We already have that.

Can we start “re-playing” this clip, OVER and OVER and OVER????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0

I lied. Same old left wing rhetoric. I wonder what DNC guy told me to say this.

Just a warning to all:
As I was listening to the video I googled the mentioned ‘Deadly Doctors’ by New York Post..first link which came up I clicked on and right away I had a warning from my MacIntosh, I was getting a virus download from this site. I immediately shut down the system and rebooted…
I noticed part of the download was still present and discarded it. Anyone else try the same? Be careful, do not try to
find this on google you may experience the same virus download trouble.
Go to New York Post itself and see if you can find the mentioned article, if you are interested.
Wonder why this article even has a potential virus problem..WHo has posted this this way and WHY does google not research these kind of posts?

Nancy and the Astroturfers. Look at the difference of the posters.

http://www.lookingattheleft.com/2009/08/pelosi-astroturf-healthcare/

I wonder what would happen if people on both sides changed their party affiliation to Independent so as to keep our leaders guessing. Just remember, we still have the vote (for now).

This is journalism?!

We will never advance as a country if people engage in and believe such mindless discourse. Citing a Washington Post article is not evidence, and an uninformed loudmouth off the streets is not an insightful policy analyst.

You people should be ashamed of yourselves.

Once you thoroughly unfasten yourself from reality, truly all things are possible.

AJC columnist Jay Bookman noticed that in the latest Investors Business Daily editorial about how the ‘death panel’ will condemn all handicapped or disabled people to death on some horrid wind-swept mountain, it notes that …

People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless.

Needless to say, Hawking, who is recognized as one of the great theoretical physicists of the 20th and 21st century, was born in the UK and has lived his entire life there.

I am sick off liberals screamimg i dont care for children…I DO, thats whi i will fight this with my last breath..
I would love for a union jerk to get his hands oin me (5′9, former model, skinny ) it just makes me stronger to see this…
show up at their doorstep (congress members)
I am outraged

justjoeindenver is making the claim that he is fine with his coverage but he wants a lesser plan because he is altruistic and cares for the poor. However, justjoeindenver and his dem comrads tend not to be that giving of their own personal money. Charity rates for Biden were abismal and Obama was almost as bad. Dems are very generous with somebody else’s money but the reason we have all these people without coverage is that JUSTJOEINDENVER never once paid for a single person to have coverage out of his own pocket. He wants it to be GOVERNMENT FORCED charity then and only then will they get coverage. VERY BAD COVERAGE at that but at least everone else will get the same VERY BAD COVERAGE so idiot joeindenver, generous with other peoples money, will be happy. Well, not really. But he will blame his neighbor for his ills.

What the Hell is Dingell still doing in office??? The guy looks like he can barely put to two coherent thoughts together…these are the people ruining our country right now.

That guy doesn’t know what he is talking about..he needs to read the bill because the govt. is not going to his son die..

What do all the leftist rats have to say about all of our medical records being loaded into government databases? They love to scream about our right to privacy, but I wonder how they’ll feel this time around. As long as it’s Obama and the neo-coms invading our privacy it will be alright with these fraudulent fools. How long before people who disagree with chairman Obama are being denied health care? How long before the doctors and health care workers are all unionized under the Obama care? How long until you start getting the bill to cover the extra costs associated with our lifestyle choices…oh you smoke? oh you drink? oh you engage in extreme sports? oh you like to eat fatty foods? Where does it all end? Beware the socialist lies, they never deliver even close to what they promise. Would you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? No thanks! Let the O-marxists rot in hell where they belong!

What cowards! or is that too good for Obama & his demons!!!

Wouldn’t it be interesting to see what this forum would look like if all of the absolute lies and mistruths were researched and removed from the responses. People – stop educating yourself on web forum responses, and read the legislation. There are no “Death Panels” – and all of the other knee-jerk response topics are full of mistruths, in hopes that you will believe the rumors over the truths. Investigate who you are supporting first and arm yourself with the facts, instead of wrapping yourself in the lies. They won’t keep you warm for very long.

“Brad Kolinsk August 10th, 2009 – 1:25 pm
Mr. Solo does not have all the facts. And he clearly disrupted that meeting.”
OMG! you ARE a politician!!!

…Pelosi said: “Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American” but it is “SHE” and those “supporting” this bill who are being un-American by trying to drown out views of those opposed it.

WE ARE MAD AS HELL AND NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE.

WE ARE COMING FOR YOU SOB’S IN NOVEMBER 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KMichael doesn’t seem to realize that people that support change and helping everyone no longer have any money to donate to political campaigns. Only corporations seem to have that kind of funding right now – who did you donate too, KMichaels? More important, which neocon are you working for right now? Tell the truth – where do you work and what’s your title?

the irony of medicare and social security recipients protesting (the option) of a government run insurance program is priceless…another hard hitting interview from Faux news

Needless to say, Stephen Hawkings was told repeatedly by his UK doctors that there was no cure for his illness and no treatment that would do him any good. This is listed in his biography. Funny stuff, eh Will Burns?

if this bill was so good why would we need an amendment? well if the constitution was so good, we wouldn’t need any amendments either… fortunately, things that get overlooked are allowed to be added later on.

Hello fellow comment posters.

I think the Obama plan will be save America from the far right and keep them where they belong: in prison or jail with George Bush. Once we keep the costs down on caring for old people, and they die with dignity as heroes as they should, saving us $$$$, all of our children will be safe and healthy and we can focus on cleaning up our earth before it’s too late. I am so thankful that Obama is addressing this issue before it’s too late and I support this healthcare plan 100% and yes, it covers all diseases and fully funds research into curing all diseases like aids, cancer, etc by the year 2050.

oh great another retard you neocons can idolize just like joe the plumber and sarah palin. thank goodness you knuckle-draggers are out of power and purging your party of anyone who would help you be a majority again!

We have to keep going to meetings and let them know we do not want a health plan that Obama and Congress doesn’t want. Is this Animal farm? If they want to pass this health reform bill, then let them use it also. We elected them. They represent us. Who are they to have something better than us and make us pay for it to boot?

They already voted down an amendment to make them use the health plan. Everyone keep asking your representatives, “Why won’t you use the Obamacare health plan like us?” Visit wethesheeple.com. I will have fax numbers for all senators there soon. You can send a free fax to yours.

If you read this–you are a loser that sits around and wastes time. Do something productive.

Hey @Unemployable Republican–you do get the hypocrisy in your post? Instead of working, you seem to enjoy spending your workday reading and posting mindless drivel. Folks in the thread are talking about the deadbeats the health care bill would create… Seems we have no shortage of deadbeats in this very thread!! Imagine if all the people reading and posting were actually doing something productive.

Of course I could be wrong–instead of dead beat American’s posting all this drivel, it could instead be Iranian, Korean, and Venezuelan agents hard at work sowing the seeds of discontent, weakening the fabric of America. As long as American’s continue to rip their own country apart, America becomes a much easier target.

Thank God we didn’t have the internet when the Democrats passed Social Security or Medicare.

So Pelosi and Hoyer say protesters are “UN-AMERICAN”

Politicians are going to learn the hard way to STOP TELLING US WHAT IS GOOD FOR US and START LISTENING!!!

If not, this country is headed for civil unrest the likes of which we have not had since 1860’s.

This man’s child will be crowded out of the health care system if government seeks to control the entire population of health care users. Medicaid is set up to take care of the handicapped, as it should be. Government (i.e. the tax paying public) should provide the money to pay for health care for all of the disabled and veterans of this great country. That’s what we do. Care for those who cannot care for themselves or who have made tremendous sacrifices for the common good.

However, if government then jams 200 million more people onto the government rolls, rationing will result and then guess who gets rationed out of the system first? Yep, the handicapped.

This man may not have had all the technical arguments to satisy the snarky left-wing commenters, and maybe he could have made less of a scene, but he is absolutely correct in his general assertion that government run health care for all is a bad deal for his son.

I have given a minimum of 10% of my own personal income to charity for each and every year of my life since the age of 12. My charity ranges from 10% minimum to 15%, annually. In addition to this I worked at my own company and had to pay 45% tax rates, all combined.

Biden charity rate is less than 1%.
Obama charity rate is less than 2%

justjoeindenver is happy to volunteer more of YOUR MONEY to help the poor but he has been in a bit of a personal financial bind lately (the last twenty years) and he regrets to report that he has not paid for a single poor person to get health insurance, from his own money.

But he does like the sound of FREE health care because he is personally ok with forced government charity, especially since he will most likely be on the receiving end.

It’s time for a revolution America. nancy pelosi is a politcal whore.

“We’re mad as hell and we’re not going to take it anymore!!!!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Gf0VKXk5Q&feature=related

Just ask yourself this: Should individuals and corporations like AIG be allowed to have ridiculous profits for administering health care to the sick and poor? Should insurance firms be allowed to remain unregulated so as to reap whatever profits they wish to make, only to channel the profits out of our country and provide jobs to third-world countries at $0.14/hour while their CEOs get quarterly profit incentives in the tens of millions – and all this while they cancel your policies if your health expenses are too great?

Just a comment to WilBurns… Physicist Stephen Hawking actually attended my college at Oxford University, and is now a fellow at Cambridge University. The British system is treating him just fine.

And before you start attacking me for being un-American… I am a natural born American citizen.

This is what you can expect when a Muzzy wins the election and then declares there is no war against Muzzies, Moslem terrorism.

He is the Lenin of our time, a pure leftist from Communist Afrika.

One of these days Obama’s goons will show up at the wrong house in the middle of the night to threaten a family and those goons will get their knee caps broken, or worse. Obama needs to be impeached for threatening American citizens and his goons need to either be hospitalized, buried, or jailed. I can’t believe the Joker has done so much damage to this nation in so short a time. He has got to be stopped.

As an Iraq war vetran, and former officer of Marines, I hope that some of you dumb, stupid, union bumbs try to shout me down. You fat teamster slimeballs come down to Texas and try it.

The ONE – termer tried to rush this bill through without anyone noticing. Thank God he failed. The people are on to him and his lies, and will be on guard about everything he or congress says or tries to sneak through, from now on. The people need to demand that every word of every bill be read in public on the floor by the ranking members. It’s their job, and they must be held to account on behalf of the people, not their lobbyist bribers. Money is the root of all evil and democraps are proving it bigtime!

Guess who will be making the life and death decisions with this bill? Obama’s ACORN thugs that’s who. The White race may be in serious jeopardy. Obama needs to be gone, as well as this demented congress.

Justjoeindenver, take the personal challenge. Go door to door in your neighborhood and inform them that they are now forced to pay for somebody else’s health care. See how many people agree with your cause. Tell them they have no choice. It is forced government charity. They ARE FORCED TO PAY whether they agree with your view or not. Have fun bleeding, dimwit.

” I would cheer on anyone who wanted to beat them senseless.”

Mike B; not brave enough to do it yourself? You say “them” I suppose you mean the kid in the wheelchair too?

Like so many modern Demos, you are emotionally disturbed.

Starting to see some cracks in the reflection there, KMichaels – I’m guessing that your 10% charity since 12 is your church-based tithing. It’s required in your church, right – let me guess – are you Mormon? How much do you donate that isn’t tithing through your faith-based organization… also your answers are ambiguous – which corporation did you say you owned again?

And I donated my time, and my service to the country for five years while you earned your profits. Does that count for anything you bloated bag of gas?

this old fart dingle want be around long it will be good to see him and people like byrd out of congress and senate

As was stated in Stephen Hawkings own biography the UK healthcare system told him that his illness was uncurable and untreatable. So he is not the best example of healthcare. His disease is listed on the not much you can do about it list, according to his own words. He recieves treatment for regular ills, but not much specifically for his particular disease.

We ALREADY pay for other people’s health care, you bonehead. Why do you think your rates go up every year while your coverage and benefits go down? Who do you think pays for the uninsured when they go the ER now? And with penalties and interest and the hands of the corporate powers that currently make the rules. People without insurance still go to the hospital and receive treatment. When they can’t pay their bill, your and my rates go up. If everyone has coverage – they can no longer profit on the backs of the working class, and all of the fatcats who feel entitled to their ridiculous profits will have to find another source of funding their off-shore accounts.

Be specific, KMichaels – if you have a dog in this race, let’s hear it – what was your personal gross in 2008?

God Bless this man. So articulate and knows what he is talking about. Those of you who want to defend this death sentence to the elderly, remember you too will be old one day, God Willing! Forget the money issue, life comes first!
Think about what you are supporting. I suggest you find a copy of “Logan’s Run” and watch it!

All these townhollers are sore losers. The Republican party lost the election big time because the people wanted change. Now change is here and these so called patriots are raising cane. They are trying to stifle the debate at the local level. This is a democracy like they keep saying, that means the Democrats won and they get to make the laws. If you don’t like it take your foriegn car and all your chinese junk and move to china.

Unless Stephen Hawkings is out of his wheel chair and walking and talking normally then I think it would be kind of dumb to say that he is the best result that free health care can provide. I would also venture to guess that he has recieved some health care in the USA and that nobody anywhere has found a cure for his illness. I would also venture to guess that he has paid some of his own money to receive what care he has received. Many famous people tend to spend a great deal of their own money on their health. So again, this is a dumb example for you leftists to use.

Someone sure is pruning the heck out of the posts that are pro-health care reform! And everyone says the media is pro-Obama. Nothing like a little censorship to help sway the minds of the masses. Works in Iran, no reason it won’t work here….

kmichaels?

Do you think you can make it through an entire post without:

1. Threatening someone
2. Using all caps to make a point LIKE THIS
3. Using a snarky made up word that illustrates your opinion prior to a statement of fact
4. Signing off with a putdown worthy of an 8th grader
5. Resorting to any explanation of your own “logic” (seriously, these are the worst)
6. Passing your opinion off as a fact, such as “DEMOCRATS cant help but lie because their plans are god awful stupid and everyone knows it”

I know it must be frustrating to try and compete in the big grown up world of adults but I’m sure you can make it if you follow just a few of these rules. And don’t forget to be humble, not everyone is as smart as you.

Insurance companies tend to make less than 5% increase. This is reasonable for most US businesses. justjoeindenver is justamisinformedlackeyforobama. His arguments are all based on false info.

I have to leave now. When the republican robots start offering “Logan’s Run” as a valid argument against government health care, it’s become too comical for me to interchange with a straight face. Still, I’ll take Logan’s Run over Deliverance any day.

Saul Alinsky method. And that is today’s Democratic Party

Barack Obama is also an Alinskyite. Trained by Alinsky’s Industrial Areas Foundation, Obama spent years teaching workshops on the Alinsky method. In 1985 he began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project. Later, he worked closely with ACORN and its offshoot Project Vote, both creations of the Alinsky network.
Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing. While trying to build coalitions of black churches in Chicago, Obama caught flak for not attending church himself. He became an instant churchgoer.
That Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama share an Alinskyite background tells us two things. First, they are leftists, dedicated to overthrowing our Constitutional system. Second, they will go to any length to conceal their Marxist radicalism from the public and they have the mainstream media to cover for them.
That is the Saul Alinsky method. And that is today’s Democratic Party.
This is what the Obama’s buddy Wade Rathke is busy doing:
(He is founder of ACORN, member of SDS, leader in the SEIU Union of Fascists)

http://newsrealblog.com/2009/07/30/fox-acorn-founder-wade-rathke-lusts-to-overthrow-the-capitalist-system/

you people are dumb enough to believe in sky gods why it’s not surprising you believe obama will euthanize you. after all, you have genius leaders like sarah palin and joe the plumber lol

I rarely use all caps
I threatened nobody.

Yo mamma, you are so very stupid.
And you did just lie.

I dont know if all democrats lie, but most of them do, that is certain.

And more importantly,

Obama lies
Pelosi lies
Franks lies
Reid lies

So dont trust them. It would be stupid to trust them.

FOCK OBAMA! FOCK THAT FOCKER! FOCK THAT MOTHER FOCKING PIECE OF DUNG MOTHER FOCKER. AND FOCK PELOSI. FOCK ALL YOU MOTHER FOCKING IDIOTS THAT VOTED THESE FOCKERS INTO OFFICE. DID YOU VOTE FOR THE MOTHER FOCKER OBAMA? THEN FOCK YOU! *F U C K Y O U*!!!

Sure is funny how dodgy KMichaels becomes when pressed for specifics. Hey, if I grew up clinging to a ridiculous man-made religion that I’d donated 10% of my life salary too, I guess I’d be embarrassed about it, as well.

this only the beginning. The Obama-azis are showing their ugly heads as many have warned us.

Since democrats are offering the Soylent Green health care solution
or the 1984 big brother solution
I say enough is enough.

Leftist liberals are the biggest hypocrites that walk on two feet! They have been “shouting down” and not allowing others to have their freedom of speech for around the last 40 years! NOW the SILENT MAJORITY finally starts to speak-out and they start SQUEALING like stuck HOGS! Then they try to DESTROY anyone that DOMINATES! With threats against their life! We must stand strong and give them MORE of what they have given the LAW ABIDING (and up till now SILENT MAJORITY!!!!) NO MORE BACK TO THE END OF THE BUS TREATMENT!! We also SHOULD DEMAND ALL COMMUNIST PROFESSORS be EJECTED from our COLLEGES and SCHOOLS!! But also be prepared!! The union GANGSTERS! (Not all union members!) Are ready to use violence! Including also many other RADICAL COMMUNIST INSPIRED groups,and RADICAL ISLAMICS!

Silent NO MORE!@!

We should all say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBZDwf9dok&feature=related

Leftists, at some point Obama will infringe on some right or freedom that’s dear to you and you will most definitely deserve it.

The ones that have read the bill know what they are protesting, the ones defending the bill don’t have a clue what is in the bill or can’t read to begin with because they dropped out of school to sell crack which they are obviously smoking. They are just zombies following and chanting “yes we can”. I know of DEMS and REPUBS that I would not vote for no matter what. Don’t follow blindly.

What a load of garbage. First, his son WILL be covered.. and second,
no one threatened him.
That boy isn’t handicapped becasue he has cerebral palsy, he’s handicapped
because he has an a-hole for a father!

You Republican fruitcakes never learn! You preached the same doom and gloom before the last election, and you lost. Grow up, we’re not impressed with your big tough-guy threats that you’re going to bring down the government, or the other anti-American trash you babble. Most of you probably didn’t even vote in the last election, or understand the issues. But now, you’re going to bring the majority to it’s knees…..wow, scary, scary!

Maybe Nancy P, Harry R, and the rest of them ought to go back and read a quote from a president they all say they respect:

Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does NOT mean to stand by the President or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country.” Theodore Roosevelt

It’s unamerican if you do not stand up for what you feel is unjust and wrong doings by the government. We are not supposed to lay like sheep and let the wolves devour us.

Let’s all talk about how great the Bush/Cheney/Rumself/Gonzalez administration was for a while….

Hey – crickets!

Notice that justjoeindenver is now claiming that any charity conservatives give is just wasted, however, government forced charity is not. God, what a complete and utter moron juststupidindenver is.

“I have to leave now. When the republican robots start offering “Logan’s Run” as a valid argument against government health care, it’s become too comical for me to interchange with a straight face. Still, I’ll take Logan’s Run over Deliverance any day.”

Justjoe

Don’t assume you know my affiliation.

You are not very bright. Do you understand the simplified reference to “Logan’s Run”. I tried to keep it simple for you. Pity, people like you will probably not be covered in Obamacare.

What is it exactly you like about this plan?

I love that republican operatives talk about Obama infringing upon our rights. Really? REALLY?

Fascism knows no bounds. It is so disgusting to see that our very own U.S. president & the congress critters have encouraged U.S. citizens to start a name calling war towards other fellow U.S. citizens to further their(president & legislatures) GREEDY healthcare cause. I would ask any american to ask themselves these questions. Why do you think that the president & congress live in mansions/ talk to citizens like they are thugs /order new jets that americans can’t afford / give all bailouts to their bankster friends while you can’t even figure out how to pay this months mortgage or if you are going to have a job /why do they care & love you so much and worry your health? My mom always told me there are 2 things that corrupt & the bottom line is #1 POWER=Control #2 MONEY=Greed

These people know that we are on to them, so the thuggery is going to occur more and more b/c desperate people will take desperate measures. Lets take this country back folks!

America needs healthcare reform now. If not single payer then at least a public option. I’m amazed that so many people are so stupid they can’t understand that. As for the REPUBLICAN INSURGENTS they are nothing more than DOMESTIC TERRORISTS.

If they come back from recess and push this bill through I hope we rise up, drag them out of congress, tar and feather them, and send them packing!

To the poster-You People are Nuts – “You people are absolutely insane. It really worries me that there are so many people out there that actually believe the fantasy tales being spewed forth by the crazy right-wing leaders out there. To borrow a line used by your boys in post 9/11 times, if you don’t like it, leave.”

You haven’t seen anything yet! The more we’re marginalized and demonized the more determined we become. And get this through your thick skull… we’re not taking our cues from “crazy right-wing leaders.” We’ve given up on them just like we’ve given up on left-wingers like you. When the elderly and folks like me who transcend race, gender and income are the ones protesting and giving you and the community organizer a little of your own medicine it’s somehow “unamerican.” Well then listen… the UnAmericans are coming and we’re really pissed off.

Didn’t Hillary Clinton say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0

Complete Lives System Read it for yourself

http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/PIIS0140673609601379.pdf

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of Rahm Emanuel and Obama?s Health Policy Adviser, announced a new Complete Lives System for selecting which sections of the population should be killed, in his article ?Principles for Allocation of Scarce Medical Interventions.. His writings were published Jan. 31, 2009 in the British medical journal Lancet 11 days after President Obama?s inauguration.

On March 19, Emanuel was appointed to the Federal Coordinating Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research, to begin the design of a Federal system for withdrawing care from those chosen for death. Dr. Emanuel provides a preview of how such a system will get started. Such an approach accepts a two-tiered health system-some citizens will receive only basic services while others will receive both basic and some discretionary health services Substantively, it suggests services that promote the continuation of the polity-those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberations-are to be socially guaranteed as basic.

Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated. This may be justified by public opinion, since broad consensus favors adolescents over very young infants, and young adults over very elderly people.

Strict youngest-first allocation directs scarce resources predominantly to infants. This approach seems incorrect. The death of a 20-year-old woman is intuitively worse than that of a 2-month-old girl, even though the baby has had less life. The 20-year-old has a much more developed personality than the infant, and has drawn upon the investment of others to begin as-yet-unfulfilled projects. Adolescents have received substantial substantial education and parental care, investments that will be wasted without a complete life. Infants, by contrast, have not yet received these investments. It is terrible when an infant dies, but worse, most people think, when a three-year-old child dies, and worse still when an adolescent does.

“WE’RE AS MAD AS HELL AND WE’RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!”

you people are dumb enough to believe in false gods from chicago so why it’s not surprising you believe everything obama will tell you. after all, you have genius leaders like joe biden and nancy pelosi, lol.

You mean the chamber they entered when they turned 30 and were killed? Yeah – I thought it was funny, just like how you support your argument. And this, afte eight years of Planet of the Apes.

As far as not very smart, I guess that’s a bit subjective, but to each their own. I did take a battery of IQ tests in my 20s, though. My average was 136, so wherever that stacks up against yours, I guess it must be pretty meager, so please explain your brilliant Logan’s Run reference to me in detail. I’m sure that several of us here would LOVE to be enlightened by the analogies you can offer us.

AN OPEN LETTER TO
PRESIDENT OBAMA

Dear President Obama:

You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.

You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.

You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support.
You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.

You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.

You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don’t understand it at its core.

You scare me because you lack humility and ‘class’, always blaming others.
You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail..

You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the ‘blame America ‘ crowd and deliver this message abroad.

You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.
You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.

You scare me because you prefer ‘wind mills’ to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.

You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.

You scare me because you have begun to use ‘extortion’ tactics against certain banks and corporations.

You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.

You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.

You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.

You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.

You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O’Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.

You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing..

Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

Lou Pritchett

TRUE – CHECK: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/youscareme.asp

This letter was sent to the NY Times but they never acknowledged it. Big surprise. Since it hit the internet, however, it has had over 500,000 hits.. Keep it going. All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. It’s happening right now.

I so hope that most of you supporting this health bill are over 65 although I doubt it as you sound 19 or so.

I guess when Pelosi stated that there were swastikas at these town hall meetings she must have been thinking of the walls of her own home. Nazi’s were leftist fascist socialists and today’s liberals are the modern day equivalent as the similarities are abundant. Both Liberals and Nazi’s are anti-big business, anti-individual liberty and freedom, environmental extremists, believe in large government control of it’s citizens, believe in Government controlled health care, support citizens spying on each other and reporting each other to the Government, and there are many more similarities. And now Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and Hoyer are sending out their modern day Gestapo (SEIU, Acorn) thugs to beat citizens just like they did last week in Colorado;

http://countusout.wordpress.com/2009/08/07/black-conservative-kenneth-gladney-beaten-called-racial-slur-at-st-louis-health-care-town-hall/

Our country is in a very dangerous time as the socialists our fathers fought in wars to keep America safe have now taken control from the inside, Beware America. For the first time in my life I am actually worried about our freedoms in America as I am watching the left continue to take away more freedoms and oppress us with higher taxation. Soon we may have to send our vacation plans to a vacation Czar at the white house and have them approved before we can go to the beach.

i feel sorry for this man’s son for having a liar like his father make a fool of himself on national tv

We can stop all the protests about obamacare, it will pass trust me I know the democrats good enough to know they do not care about you.
Now ask yourself this what will you do the day they come out and say it’s been passed? What will you do? Will you be quiet and accept it? What will Americans do that dreaded day?

Ezekiel Emmanuel (Rahm’s brother)

Stating matter of factly that rationing of needed health care
is inevitable. But dont believe your lying eyes
Believe Obama instead.

In health care, as elsewhere, scarcity is the mother of
allocation.1 Although the extent is debated,2,3 the scarcity
of many specifi c interventions—including beds in
intensive care units,4 organs, and vaccines during
pandemic infl uenza5—is widely acknowledged. For some
interventions, demand exceeds supply. For others, an
increased supply would necessitate redirection of
important resources, and allocation decisions would still
be necessary.

Pg 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

Pg 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life!

Pg 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit organizations. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

Pg 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORIGINATION. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based organization. Like ACORN?

Pg 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage.

Pg 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.

Pg 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! Unbelievable!

Pg 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy – Tele-health Advisory Comittee. Can you say HC by phone?

Pg 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients.

Pg 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

Pg 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide)

Pg 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.

Pg 429 Lines 1-9: An “advanced care planning consultant” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.

Pg 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.

Pg 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

Pg 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!

Pg 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will penalize you.

Pg 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Doctors what/how much they can own!

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.

Pg 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Pg 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

Pg 150 Lines 9-13: Business’s with payroll btw 251k & 401k who doesn’t provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.

Pg 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 Pg: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 Pg: Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal records.

Pg 203 Line 14-15: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that!

Pg 239 Line 14-24: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are affected.

Pg 241 Line 6-8 Doctors, doesn’t matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same!

Pg 253 Line 10-18: Govt sets value of Doctor’s time, proffession, judgment etc. Literally v
Pg 85 Line 7 Pg: Specifications for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!

Pg 91 Lines 4-7 Pg: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example – Translation: illegal aliens.

Pg 95 Pg Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.

Pg 85 Line 7 Pg: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members – your Health care WILL be rationed.

Pg 102 Lines 12-18 Pg: Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
Pg 124 lines 24-25: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt Monopoly.

Pg 127 Lines 1-16 Pg: Doctors/ American Medical Association – The Govt will tell YOU what you can make! (salary)

Pg 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE!

Pg 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

Pg 22 of the Pg: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 – THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Pg 29 lines 4-16 YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!

Pg 42 of Pg:The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

Pg 50 Section 152 in Pg: HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58 Pg: Govt will have real-time access to individual’s finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Pg 59 Pg lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your banks accounts for elective funds transfer.

congressman dingle berry. The name suits him well.

I am getting really worried about this government. It is so crooked! We need to get these people out of office and put in those that have the American peoples interest to boot.We have to remember that this health plan does NOT affect them. They will have the best care possible and some company will tell u instead of your dr will care you can have. I called the ins co to tell them my dr wanted me to have a certain test..the lady on the phone told me you dr will NOt decide what u will have, WE do so I just hung the phone up. That is what u can expect!!!!!NO CARE

Respect said: August 10th, 2009 – 1:44 pm

“The way most of you wingnuts talk about Obama and reform of our health insurance system makes me realize that you are being brainwashed by the Limbaughs of this country and letting your racist anger to vent. Show some respect and learn the facts before spewing your recycled garbaged over and over.”

You are joking, right? I mean, you are just pretending to be a liberal that thinks this way, right? How can you even begin to chide others for disrespecting when you start out with name calling, then use the racist moniker.

And we can assume you never said anything disrespectful toward Obama’s predecessor? Just like the rest of the Left, eh? Get a grip, laddy. He was dis’d every moment of every day, every which way they could. If you didn’t notice, you need glasses and a hearing aid. And by they won’t be covered by this plan, by the way.

druggyBear, eat sh-it and die. Until you can prove that this man was lying then you are THE LIAR.

Stupid drug using putz.

The goons working for the Bamster make the Clinton goons look like choir boys. There’s no difference between the Bamster goons and the mob, but of course that’s to be expected from a bunch of Stalinists.

WOW we are starting to look like Iran, you speak out and they hunt you down.

Here – address the facts right from the source – not just snippets and sound bites which support spin:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/RealityCheck

The arrogance of Congress leaders like Dingel is appalling. The gentlemen was right- at Dingel’s age under the govt. run plan he would have to wait for his first class hip replacement. His time has come to be VOTED OUT. Join the plan Mr. Dingel and include the rest of Congress! Middle class will be footing the Bill. I am happy with my plan. Government stay the hell out of my life. No to Omama and Socialism.

Strategy for forcing political change through orchestrated crisis

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6967

First proposed in 1966 and named after Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, the “Cloward-Piven Strategy” seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

You might try to check out what they call the lost years of Obama at Columbia University, It’s all covered up, nobody knows what he did and his transcripts are sealed. OH MISTER TRANSPARENCY!!!!!

justjoeindenver said he was leaving, then he posted about 10 more posts. Hmmm, yet another lying obamabot, apparently.

justjoe, just leave, idiot troll
keep your word AND LEAVE.

Leave now, avoid the rush.

I’ve stopped listening to anything Nazi Pelosi says. I already know it’ll be stupid. Seems like that guy with her is the same. I can’t say they sent anyone to this guys house but it wouldn’t surprise me one bit. Democrat/liberals don’t get their way, they turn to thuggery. They’re not really very bright.

And just to “show you she could”, “Nancy and Company” just took $500-million out of the health care budget and bought some new airplanes. “You need an MRI? Tough, I got some new toys today”!

To see this great country tank because of a group of bitter, jealous losers is truly a shame.

you neocons idolize idiots like joe the plumber and sarah palin of course you are stupid enough to believe this man’s lies. doesn’t matter cuz we have the votes and the american people the last 2 elections have made it clear you have no say in our laws anymore go start the republic of redneckistan i’m sure it’ll be real popular haha

justjoeindenver wants you to think that the paid hacks working for Obama would be the source of the facts on this issue.

Hmmm, wouldnt a thinking person conclude logically that the Obama site would simply provide a very biased view in favor of the current president?

Like I said, justjoeindenver is one pretty god damned stupid kid, after all is said and done.

Pelosi calls this guy unamerican – WHAT A TOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She has absolutly no idea and are so far out of touch of the American people that she is unpatriatic. Remember, she said raiding illegal aliens was unpatriotic!!!! She is a tool. no wonder why we have to YELL to be heard. She will never get it. She is to busy paying her illegals $3.50/hour and turning them into Demecraps!

To Rob in TX – There are over a thousand clinics in the U.S. like these: http://www.loudounfreeclinic.org Here’s an association dedicated to them: http://www.freeclinics.us

Why is no one talking about them?

Help is out there, and it’s funded by good, honest giving Americans!
Government is NOT the answer

The Democrats could care less about us they have their healthcare plans. They only care about controling us. Obama, Pelosi, and all the other filthy maggots want us to bow to them and keep our mouths shut.
What other president do you know of who has ever called out his thugs on the American people? That Maggot Pelosi is now calling us political terrorists. I thought obama didn’t like that word?

This video is so infuriating to watch, yet it shows what we’re up against. Obama is a cold hearted irresponsible, inexperienced man and cares nothing for the rest of us as this bill shows! The bill allows the government real time access to our checking accounts so it can deduct funds if we don’t pay on time, mandatory end of life counseling (i.e. the quicker we die the less it will cost) and rationing as determined by a group of Obama thugs who will review your health records to decide whether you deserver meds/surgeries etc. Read the bill people as I have and you will be shocked at what you find! We need to send Obama and his goofy clan packing ASAP while we still have a country left!

Actually, KMichaels, that link is to the White House site. I still support our country even when I don’t support the administration. You seem to support personal profit at the expense of everything. Rather than attacking the messenger, why don’t you point out inaccuracies in the data? I’m so tired of everyone attacking the messengers without paying any attention to the message. Can’t you take the moneyplugs out of your ears for a second and think about the greater good?

When are you bloody Americans going to stand up and take back your country? The rest of us in the world depend on your actions. We trust the American people before we do your government.

Man asks why the bill is going to marginalize his son, he’s emotional, damn I would be too.

Dingle says he has an amendment that will protect the handicapped
Man asks what’s the amendment number
Dingle says he doesn’t know

These corrupt politicians have an answer for everything until you ask a follow up, then they look like the kid that gets caught with his hand in a cookie jar, they are scum, absolute scum!

As to the “Death Plan” It’s all BS, they are setting up a system where up until 10 you aren’t worth saving, after 55 you aren’t worth saving, if your mentally challenged or crippled you aren’t worth saving.

This is all based on how useful you are to the collective farm, they view as nothing more than beasts of burden, they have as much compassion for the elderly, the young, and sick as a drunk hillbilly farmer would for a lame horse that can’t pull its load anymore.

I take that back, the hillbilly would be drunk because he has to kill his horse and feels terrible about it, these monsters sit around and joke about it behind our backs.

PURE Eugenics! Obama and his crowd of “Advisors” are nothing but a bunch of wanna-be Nazi’s, they have to go! This is NOT what America stands for, we don’t decide who lives and dies dependent on how useful a person is to a wealth redistribution system.

Out with every damn leftist, let them move to North Korea and join glorious leaders utopia, I want NONE of IT!

How do you expect me to trust a man who has this agenda?

It’s called the “Cloward-Piven” strategy. A communist means of overloading a system in order to “break” it and create chaos.

Learn more here: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

Strategy for forcing political change through orchestrated crisis

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6967

It’s “I couldn’t care less”. By saying “I could care less” you’re stating that you actually care about the issue to some degree and have the capacity to care less about it. Unless of course, you meant to imply that you DO care about the message. Somehow I don’t think that’s what happened, though.

“I couldn’t care less”. By saying “I could care less” you’re stating that you actually care about the issue to some degree and have the capacity to care less about it. Unless of course, you meant to imply that you DO care about the message. Somehow I don’t think that’s what happened, though.

“I would also venture to guess that he has recieved some health care in the USA and that nobody anywhere has found a cure for his illness”

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that I’m pretty sure they haven’t found a cure for Lou Gehrig’s disease. It would have made the newspapers, unless those damn lefty socialist welfare state pariah’s held that back too. Lyndon LaRouche was right!!!!! Yeah, real dumb example lefties.

But seriously, Joe in Denver is trying to engage you in a serious debate, despite your best efforts. I’m sure I don’t agree with Joe in Denver on a lot things, but he’s being civil, and making actual points. You on the other hand sound like a lunatic, which is fine. Not everyone can always be civil when they disagree. I’m not sure why but he has been respectful of you during your exchange. One would hope that you’d take a deep breath and actually try and debate him with the respect and civility that he is showing you. I think he’s earned that in his responses alone. And if you don’t think so, then try and remember the 5 years that he sacrificed so that you may air your opinion.

Notice the HYPOCRITICAL LEFT posting on this website speaking of the right and their scare tactics?? WHEN IT IS THE LEFT TRYING TO SCARE PEOPLE??? Like “global warming”?? Or in the last few elections telling the elderly that “conservatives” are going to stop paying SSI to them if elected? Or if a “plumber” asks a question?? He must be destroyed!! Or if people are Christian they are a threat to “freedom”! As THEY BOLDLY ATTEMPT TO take THEIR FREEDOM away?? Just ALWAYS REMEMBER WHATEVER a LEFTY accuse others of, he or she are MANY MANY times more GUILTY of! The biggest LIARS and HYPOCRITES that walk on two feet!!

Thanks to Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and their democrate hoodlums by 20 years of military service has just been reduce to the level of a mercenary. Apparently I haven’t been fighting for the Freedom of Speech because now that is UN-AMERICAN. I am beyond angry about this whole issue and am sick of the whining democrates. What they are proposing is not Reform it is government control!!

DruggyBear August 10th, 2009 – 3:34 pm
you neocons idolize idiots like joe the plumber and sarah palin of course you are stupid enough to believe this man’s lies. doesn’t matter cuz we have the votes and the american people the last 2 elections have made it clear you have no say in our laws anymore go start the republic of redneckistan i’m sure it’ll be real popular haha

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
TAKE AN ENEMA YOU’RE FULL OF CRAP.

The liberal posters who insult good Americans exercising their First Amendment rights are no better than the bottom-feeding Democratic malefactors like Obama, Reid and Pelosi trying to destroy our country.

KMICHAELS – is a corporate owning Obama basher who is looking to protect his corporate profits and somehow try to support the LDS church. He attacks without specifics and has no valid arguments. Also, at what point in my 43 years do I stop being a kid? Or were you actually referring to me as “boy”?

When will Michigan WAKE UP AND REALIZE YOU ARE BEING LIED TO? When your homes drop to ZERO VALUE?

Do you realize that Rep. Dingell has been in Congress for FIFTY SIX YEARS???????? That’s 28 terms.

Name ONE THING he is doing for you now.

JJJ,

Of course everyone will be COVERED. The question is will everyone get CARE???

Based on the laws of supply and demand, the answer is no. When that happenes, we have rationing. Who gets rationed out first? The handicapped and elderly.

Wake up and try to understand the issue beyond what your “feelings” tell you.

The beliefs of those on the hard left are the epitome of evil and spit right in the face of God. History has shown that fate is not kind to these types. It will be a monumental fall when they receive the wrath of God himself.

Bye, Bye, Obama, Pelosi, etc.

Did you not see the mistakes that the repubs made when they were in charge? You could have ended the republican
party as we know it, instead, you have empowered them.

Bye, Bye

You Uniformed, badge carrying oath tookers had better decide really soon- ARE YOU GOING TO LIVE THE OATH, OR DEFEND THE FAT PIG TRAITOR DEMOCRATS?

Mark Stoddard, all I’ve read in the mainstream media here in America is that we’re despised worldwide. But you are absolutely right, we go down and many across the globe will suffer. Please speak out in your country on our behalf and your countrymen’s good fortune.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3608/3483537606_2e120f3980_o.jpg

With all that’s going on today and this weekend the best Headline Story CNN can run today is some Horse story? The biggest government power in world history pushing a health bill and they find a horse instead of isues like this fine Gentleman and his son. Just proves they are State Run Media.

Snowcloud – you might want to consider for a moment, that Jesus was a liberal. Would Christ really advocate corporate profit over tending to the masses? When did Jesus start supporting the conservative viewpoint? Any Chapter and Verse you can reference will be more than enough to convince me. I’ve found one or two that seem to support the opposite which I would be happy to provide.

With Washington’s Irresponsible Spending, Congressman with their own preferred Health Plan, it leaves no question in my mind They Are The New NAZI’s of America. This Healthcare Plan isn’t about Health…it about CONTROL!!!

How long before we’re required to shout Heil Obama and Comrade to these NAZI’s???

The Democrat party is un-hinged and they are spiraling out of control, implosion pending!

This freaking HR 3200 is chock full of rent-seekers. Note the $150 million advertising pledge from Big Pharma. Union private plan exemptions. Congress private plan exemptions. Funded wellness programs (what, so we can submit our lifestyles to health cops?). The health care in this country is so horrible that these Congress tools tell us (wink, wink) you can keep your existing coverage. Well, which is it – horrible or status quo? Congress won’t outright say because they know it is CONTROL they are after. The big rub here is the outlandish lying and deception by these charlatans.

So bye-bye, miss american pie.
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
And them good old boys were drinkin� whiskey and rye
Singing, “this�ll be the day that I die.
“this will be the day WE ALL DIE!!!

The desperate losers on the far right sure are entertaining!

We tried a little fascism for eight years; now it’s a little socialism’s turn.

That’s what happens when extremists and entertainers take over the media and turn democratic discourse into professional wrestling.

Keep eating your hearts out, you followers of Limbaugh. We’re having a great time watching you implode!

HaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHaHa

This guy’s a phony and a creep. He shouldhave had his ass kicked in. I’m a right wing lunatic and I ned menatl health care. Eat me assholes,

Just Joe, I’d love to know how much you give to charity or are you a typical Lib that believes that’s the government’s job as most libs do. It has been statistically proven that Republicans, especially Christian Republicans do, in fact, give more-even those on the very low economic scale. Wonder what Jesus would have to say about that?

One minute i hear the term “socialist” then i hear that its like “nazi germany” you guys need to look up what each of those terms mean …you cant be one if your the other, nazism is on the extreme far right and socialism is left of centre, typical un informed people expressing opinions they know nothing about…freedom of stupidity i guess…isnt that one of the amendments

Dear F. Grey Parker: You took the time to write a post calling this man a pig? Is that your idea of an intelligent comment? Why don’t you tell him that to his face?

I get a little tired of people slandering and deriding ordinary citizens.

“..nazism is on the extreme far right and socialism is left of centre..” Gee, leroyheck, we all got confused by the word Socialist in National Socialist.

Another way to carry out eugenics? Create a civil war & have all of the citizens get rid of the other. The Fake Repulsive/Demwits 2 party fascist system. You are all performing to the corrupt plans. Just don’t buy into it.

I am truly embarrassed by the lack of intelligence, knowledge and compassion that the “conservatives” in this country see to embrace. Please, people, think before you react and study before you discuss. I don’t understand the viewpoint that supports profit and nationalism over compassion and understanding. I fail to see how anyone can look into another human’s eyes and tell them that they aren’t good enough to qualify for a program, or that they don’t have the income potential to succeed in this life.

Where did we go so wrong? How did America go from the great melting pot to using the masses to shore up profit? How did we reach Xenophobia from “give us your huddled masses”?

At what point did we run out of good will and close the borders to opportunities and achieving mutual shared success through the strength of our belief in each other? When did religious freedom become having to choose between which version of Christianity you select?

And at what point was I condemned to Hell for wanting to ensure that everyone had a chance to succeed and be able to lift themselves to higher ground, while the “righteous” are those who want to destroy everything that doesn’t fit their image of the world?

I’m confused, I guess. Please explain this to me in a way that feels right in my heart.

BIG DEAL!!! RAHM HAS A BROTHER WHO’S A DOCTOR!!! ARE WE SUPPOSED TO FAINT EN MASSE???

I poo poop

man mr S- so close and no hatchet!!!

Let me make this perfectly clear, for all the lawyers out there: Anyone showing up in the middle of the night on my lawn, or anywhere else to silence me, would make me and my family fear for our lives, and they would be killed, then the police will be called to get the bodies.
Ron Reale
realetybytes@yahoo.com
realetybytes.townhall.com

Woodrow Wilson, both of the Roosevelts, and JFK were the only fascist presidents in the history of the US, until Obama added his name to the list. All previous fascist movements in the past were revolutionary, wanting change (this includes the Nazi’s). The conservatives of today are considered to be reactionaries, wanting to keep the traditions and adhere to the constitution. You don’t believe it, get your nose out of the whitewashed history books being offered by our educational system right now……

I lost the election because a black man is better than I am.

Achtung! Achtung! You will take it and like it or you will have the Gestapo haul you away!

Kmichaels – you nailed joeindenver or whatever his handle is today. I enjoyed reading your tete te and I award you with the win – served during the Iraq War – this is a new meme for 0 trolls – they provide a stellar resume when initially posting on a site, but if you wait long enough you’ll see how these new trolls ask questions of those challenging them BUT NEVER answer questions posed. It’s a technique known as “deflecting” – pummel your opponent with questions they couldn’t possibly answer, however, in your case, you did a great job BUT they never, ever answer questions posed. And you’ll notice that joeinwherever never answered your question about how many employees his small company insured. Instead, he just slowly attacked you and tried, but failed, to undermine you and your position. Great job!

I think I’m going to become the new Internet grader for responses to such assaults. It’d be fun. I see the pattern everywhere and what’s most interesting is the trolls are now selecting their targets due to their knowledge base about the “topic” du jour. You were picked my friend. Lucky you. Oh and then momma whatever pounded you with false innuendo. She’s the back-up troll who comes to defend her guy. I’m going to write a book on trolls and how they operate. hhhmmmm

I prefer reading Joe the Plumber’s work.

Kathy, I don’t believe Jesus would advocate money in any manner whatsoever. As stated, I’ve given much of my time, attention and focus where my bank account can’t afford to give. How much gold did Jesus have? Did he donate time or money? Keep arguing this one -it’s pretty easy to contest.

Don’t forget the state-run media. They are the lapdogs of this Administration and are culpable in silencing or attempting to marginalize the responses to this healthcare obamanation (incorrect spelling intended for those libs that would want to correct me). They should be punished with boycotts and other actions as well.

ron real shut up you phony two bit coward before swe shut you up.

justjoeindenver August 10th, 2009 – 3:46 pm
Snowcloud – you might want to consider for a moment, that Jesus was a liberal. Would Christ really advocate corporate profit over tending to the masses? When did Jesus start supporting the conservative viewpoint? Any Chapter and Verse you can reference will be more than enough to convince me. I’ve found one or two that seem to support the opposite which I would be happy to provide.

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You people on the left laugh at God every day, along with people who belive in Him! I didn’t expect you to understand.
You also ask me to provide chapter and verse to prove Jesus was a conservative and not a liberal. Back before the term was hijacked by the left, ‘liberal’ meant to respect liberty for all. Now it stands for tyranny.
I know Jesus wouldn’t support abortion or euthanasia of the weak or “undesirable.”

For the record, I only post under this name. If you google it, you’ll find more. There is one religious guy with a site under the same name, but it’s safe to assume that’s not mine… And I don’t troll – I believe.

The ONLY reason I left my parents house and started working, was because I had children that needed health care. Now that health care is free, I will be buying my old parents a real big house (old folks pay no property tax) I will be quitting work (well, I’ll be working under the table, shhhh, don’t tell the IRS) after income taxes and insurance, I take home $20,000 a year. Tell me I couldn’t easily make that much under the table. Illegals do it. For how many people will it make no sense at all to work, once health care is free? Is this part of the plan? Do they know we will all quit working? And then, will they “solve” the unemployment problem by moving me into a “work camp”? Hmmmmm….

Hello. I work have been working underground for several years, helping to orchestrate a pinko-commie coup against the United States government. But apparently the jig is up. You have all discerned the evil machinations we thought were so well hidden behind figures like Obama, Pelosi and Reid. But at least now we can stand out in the open an proclaim our agenda: to kill unborn babies and harvest their organs, to deny treatment to anyone over 65 (unless they are homosexuals) so that we can pay for the treatment of illegal immigrants, to shut every good, hard-working American up, to make the United States the newest province of Canada, to scare the hell out of Joe Plumber aka Mobster, to take away all your freedoms and finally, to erect a communist caliphate. Please, join us in destroying America.

don’t work we’ll throw losers like you in jail.

Isn’t it something how this Obama’s ACORN brown shirts funded by 4 billion in taxpayer dollars support the so called rights of terrorists in Guantanamo but not the rights of the American people!

“I am truly embarrassed by the lack of intelligence, knowledge and compassion that the “conservatives” in this country see to embrace. …. I’m confused, I guess. Please explain this to me in a way that feels right in my heart.”

Well, justjoeindenver, since we’re all so stupid, ignorant and lacking compassion why would you ask us how you feel? Ask yourself why you live such a saintly life free from self-interest.

my God IS aliberal.

justjoeindenver…We ARE compassionate and make more donations than anyone on the planet. We just do not like having our freedom stolen, our money stolen, and allowing cheap scum traitor pigs to continue to destroy our country. But it is good that you do not know the lingo of Americanism….that way, you will expose yourself at the freeway checkpoints, the grocery store checkpoints..the gas stations… where to get food, gas, or pass through, you HAVE TO BE AMERICAN…and woe to the freaks who made it happen… hahahaha so, SHUT UP.

We’re winning. Sure we are. Republicans have a 26 % approval rating and the lunatic fringe have even less.

Well, now we finally see who the Democrat party is willing to go to war with, The American people!

I hate to have Republican cheap scum creep traitors in my country. They are traitors to AMERICA>

Fox News should be held accountable for spreading disinformation and falsehoods about almost everything they put on the air. Don’t believe everything you see on the mainstream media news channels.

IT IS A PURE JOY TO SEE THE DEMS GET FREAKED OUT IN RESPONSE TO THE POSTS!!

dr_cathy – I entered delayed entry program in 1996 – 9/15/96 I reported to Fort Knox, KY for basic training. After that, I went to Fort Benjamin Harrison, Indiana for MOS training – originally, journalist was MOS 71Q, but was switched to 46Q a couple of years later. My first assignment was two years as Dugway Proving Ground in Utah, where I produced a paper called “The Desert Post” my name is J. Alex Ramsey, and I wrote as such (well, under PFC and SPC Ramsey most of the time).

I was assigned to Heidelberg in 1998 – where I served for about 8 months before finding housing and sending for my wife. My son was born in July, 1990 in the 1/30th Station Hospital in Heidelberg. If you google “Justjoeindenver” you can find some columns I’ve written over the years to support this.

Everything I have said is the absolute truth, and I am more than happy to back it up. I guess that’s the difference between me and so many that post their hate under the “conservative” label. I tell the truth, and I speak from experience. I will be happy to respond to any specific question that you ask, as I feel I have demonstrated accordingly. That said, why do you lie so much?

I love all of the hysterical old coots who don’t seem to realize that Medicare IS a federal program!

Obama does not intend to govern he intends to RULE!

The revolution is beginning.

Stard tall. Stand fast. Don’t be intimidated.

Mr. Justjoeindenver,
What are you going to do when everyone quits working? I know the only reason I work is to afford health insurance for my children. I have already paid off my houses (I have 4) I have 4 motorcycles, a pinzgauer 4wd, 3 horses, pigs, there is nothing I need, except health insurance. Everything else I need, I can afford by working under the table. You do understand, that the ONLY reason men go to work is so their children can see doctors? If I can get doctors free, I WILL NOT WORK! Because it won’t make any sense to. Of course, once everyone stops working, our wonderful Socialist planners will “help” us, by locking us up (sorry, by “employing us”) in a Government “labor camp”.

It is pure joy throughout America to see the right wing Republican lunatics laughed at everywhere. What a gas.

Republican scum cheap floozies chainlink fence Joyce filtered pool hate. Blowtorch clearsil frozen Bush yogurt hate. Am I making myself clear? Hate.

So wait…This guy goes and yells and screams and threatens a Congressman to the point that police had to restrain him, then he complains that people who saw the video did the same to him. Karma’s a b**tch, dude.

Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo Yankee Uniform Obama!

Some of you numb n u t s deserve to be rounde dup and sent to camps.

More of this, please.
“I am truly embarrassed by the lack of intelligence, knowledge and compassion that the “conservatives” in this country see to embrace. Please, people, think before you react and study before you discuss. I don’t understand the viewpoint that supports profit and nationalism over compassion and understanding. I fail to see how anyone can look into another human’s eyes and tell them that they aren’t good enough to qualify for a program, or that they don’t have the income potential to succeed in this life.

Where did we go so wrong? How did America go from the great melting pot to using the masses to shore up profit? How did we reach Xenophobia from “give us your huddled masses”?

At what point did we run out of good will and close the borders to opportunities and achieving mutual shared success through the strength of our belief in each other? When did religious freedom become having to choose between which version of Christianity you select?

And at what point was I condemned to Hell for wanting to ensure that everyone had a chance to succeed and be able to lift themselves to higher ground, while the “righteous” are those who want to destroy everything that doesn’t fit their image of the world?

I’m confused, I guess. Please explain this to me in a way that feels right in my heart.”

Wingnut Tinfoil hat I aTE Cheney’s shorts and Believe in Big foot. Wanna play thatn game pal?

She blows off the fact that the guy tells her his son has cancer. She doesn’t want to deal with it and is too focused and selfish to even say “I’m sotry to hear that”.

Dingell is an old idiot.

Writer sh, who ever you are, you need to stop drinking the koolaid. It was ok for everyone to protest during Bush’s administration but when the good people of the United States want to keep it from being ruined by panzy arse’s like youself, we have the right. And if it takes an armed million man march on Washington DC to remove the scurvey then so be it. Wolverine!!!!!!!!!

Good point! Are the Democrat ready to us this health care plan on their own families and if they are please good first! I am all for free will if YOU want it sign up for it but I will stay where I am at with my private care; so stop forcing something on us we do not want.

Stinky – I’d answer your question if I could figure out what it is. From here, you see like the King of the Borats, so congratulations on your farm animals and houses, I guess.

….the only hate on here is from the looney left. You’re the one’s attempting to squash the dissenting viewpoint…..but you’re too stupid to understand it. You people on the left are the real fascists…..

Stinky – First – where do you get the notion that health care will be free? Do you plan to live in poverty just so you can screw the system? Nice logic.

Secondly, of course old people pay property taxes. I’m one of them. My property tax bill was nearly $5000 this year.

Working under the table is, of course, just as illegal for you as it is for undocumented workers. In addition, like undocumented workers, you won’t qualify for social security unless you have been adding to the federal coffers during your working career. Again, you seem to be cutting off your nose to spite your face. You are choosing to live in poverty and trash your retirement. Hard to figure out why anyone would do that and then act so smug about it.

Barry Soetoro you can not hide behind lies forever, we are coming for you!

you people on the right are too stupid to live in America. Go have another don ut at Walmarts clown.

What the Obamatrons don’t understand, it’s not just the health care plan, it’s about Americanism. We don’t won’t any more government in our lives. We want them out of our lives. No more incumbents. No more free rides for the 45%-50% of Americans that don’t pay any Taxes(everyone needs to pay something). No more entitlements for Illegals. No more Social Security for people who have never paid into it. Drug test for entitlement recipients. No gay marriage. No marriage to animals. Less taxation. No more kneeling and bowing to despot dictators. Support the nations that support the U.S. NO more foreign aid to Countries that despise the US.

We (50% of us) want to take care of ourselves and families. We don’t want any Nazi dictates from the government. Welfare and entitlements, going to people who are fully capable of providing for themselves has to stop. If you don’t have to ethics to pay your own way, don’t ask someones else to do it!

It does my heart so good to know a black man beat all the Republicans.

Keeping them scared, the only thing Repiglicans got.

p.s. just because you are yelling, it doesn’t mean you are right.

LOL – You misspelled the word. That’s pretty freakin’ funny.

Joe Plumber aka Mobster August 10th, 2009 – 4:10 pm

Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo Yankee Uniform Obama!

This guy is totally uninformed and basically just an annoying blowhard. I bet his kid is probably on Medicare (a GOVERNMENT RUN insurance program, btw).

You people are who are so against the reform the government is trying to make haven’t got the facts. You keep talking about “healthcare”, when what real issue is “healthINSURANCE”. Don’t let the big insurance companies fool you into arguing about the wrong thing. If you’d stop yelling and ranting for 30 seconds and actually did a little research, you’d find this to be true.

Hitler was a socialist in name only, all his efforts were for the military industrial complex and keeping the war machine going….facism is the correct term for what he was promoting….which is letting the corporate machine dictate what direction society goes in….sound familiar, check your history from Jan 2001 till Jan 2009

93|\/|etro – Communists are on the far left. Fascists are on the far right. That is not my opinion. It is the definition of the words.

leroyheck, WRONG. Nazi is short for National Socialist and came from the original party name of the National Socialist German Workers Party. Nazi’s were left-wing socialist fascists, much like today’s liberals. Go pick up a dictionary and look up socialism as it will state that socialism is a form of government between Capitalism and Communism. And anyone that knows anything about Marx and communism knows that communism is socialism being ruled by an iron hand and that socialism was the form of Government in Nazi Germany and is the form of Government in Russia, they are not that dissimilar.

Also, do some reading on Hitler and you will see that he infiltrated the German Labor Party and rose in it’s rank. The Party changed its name to the National Socialist German Workers Party and then finally to the Nazi party.

I want FREE CAR INSURANCE TOO.

1) Not everyone is covered.
2) Car insurance companies make too much money.
3) We pay extra for uninsured drivers.

So, using Obama logic,
I want free car insurance too.

The “master” on the plantation GAVE his slaves food, clothing, medical care and housing and used a whip to make them work. (a sick slave can’t work) After they were “freed” he paid them .20 a week (hint: back then, that was ALOT of money, but not nearly enough to pay for a house, clothes, medical care and food) Here we have gone full circle.
Is it compassionate to enslave people? Because, once health care is free, you will need a whip to get me to work. I certainly won’t work voluntarily, when food and health care is free.

Leroyheck = it’s been going on a lot longer than that. FDR giving complete powers to corporations to grow without regulation allowed this to happen. Corporations now have more rights than voters, and apparently many are just fine with allowing their corporate masters to allow profit to run humanity.

Honestly, I don’t know what the conservatives are protecting, aside from their employer’s rights to grown and take their jobs somewhere else. Republicans used to stand for something – remember Abraham Lincoln? Now they’ve let themselves become pawns for corporations, who have managed to convince them with the empty promises of future success to actually vote against their own interests.

Has anyone here even heard of “Brave New World” by Aldous Huxley? Anyone?

This guy’s problems sure haven’t curbed his appetite!

I know this Reich Wing Lunatic guy. He had to go to the hospital last week to have a hamster removed from his rear end. He lives down the street from me in his two mothers basement. He comments on other blogs and stories as doucheman.

shouldn’t you right wingers be at wal mart picking up your insulin and little debbies? oh well at least you electric cart fatties will be euthanized soon haha

Proud Vet., you’re totally wrong. They were RIGHT wing.

You don’t understand the subtleties of differing world/domestic views. Both are Authoritarian, but they differ vastly in how this Authoritarianism is implemented. It would take too long to explain it here. Just look it up and get the facts next time before you go off on an ignorant rant.

What a freaking loudmouth jerk.

Obama says that debate is healthy. If he truly believes that, then why did he send one of his thugs to deliver a threatening message to the man in this video in the middle of the night? Obama doesn’t view debate as healthy. He’s saying that now, because he sees the outrage. He just better not EVER send anyone to my home with ANY kind of message. I DON’T WANT Obamacare to pass, now or EVER. I want the government to quit sticking their noses where they don’t belong in our lives. This is a total outrage what happened to this man. He didn’t do anything wrong!!!

Threaten them with the same health care bill they want to be for us should be the one they are forced to have, president, congress, union members. After all, if you are going to have a democracy, have a democracy. Then the whole thing would just fade away. Why should any american be exempt?

The problems within our health care system were CREATED by our government.

Very few people have any understanding why employers are involved with providing healthcare coverage. The fact is that employer provided healthcare grew out of government regulation due to wage freezes during WWII.

This benefit was something that employers back then could offer to recruit and retain employees when they could not raise wages. By exempting this benefit from taxes, government rewarded employers and employees to continue to offer this type of coverage.

Prior to this point in history, we were largely pay for service. Then along came Ted Kennedy that forced the HMO ACT of 1978 down our throats that forced business to offer health benefits to its employees. Kennedy said this was going to reduce health costs and lower insurance rates. It in fact resulted in skyrocketing health costs as well as forcing over 2200 private hospitals to close and the HMO industry became a cabal with the Governments blessing. The Congress had to change anti trust laws to enact the HMO Act because what they were mandating was illegal at the time.(anti trust law)

The result over time is that there is virtually no competition because the Federal Government tell insurers what hey can and cannot offer and the consumer has no idea how much the procedures and Rx’s cost because the HMO is paying for it all. In short, they have mandated semi socialistic fascist health care already. The reasons costs escalate is that there is no competition.

How about dropping all government spending (including tax benefits on coverage) in the area of healthcare. After all, it is a power not granted to the government in the constitution anyway. How about a return to pay for service based system?

This would force the insurance companies to offer creative and affordable plans at an individual level, with more choices than you see from your employer-negotiated plans today. Ending government spending in healthcare is the only way to return healthcare costs to reasonable levels.

Besides how do you like the way the post office, airport security, or any other government program is being run?

Take a look at some of the proposed changes. Read this and get involved. Send your Senators and ALL of your Congressional Representatives email, U.S. Mail and a fax. Do not be silent!

Here’s the proposed House Bill H.R. 3200
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf

Summary and Interpretations of the proposed House Bill H.R. 3200.

* Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan through 2012. After that (Y1=2013), if any changes are made to your private plan, you will be required to take the gov option!
* Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
* Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
* Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
* Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
* Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
* Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
* Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
* Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
* Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
* Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans too)
* Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
* Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
* Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
* Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review” is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed and everyone will end up on the government plan eventually.
* Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
* Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
* Page 146: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
* Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
* Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
* Page 167: Any individual who doesnt’ have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of annual income.
* Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
* Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
* Page 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it really says that.
* Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected.”
* Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you’ll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
* Page 253: Government sets value of doctors’ time, their professional judgment, etc.
* Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
* Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
* Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
* Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
* Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
* Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited from owning and investing in healthcare companies!
* Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
* Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on “community” input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
* Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
* Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
* Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
* Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
* Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
* Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
* Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
* Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
* Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
* Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
* Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
* Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
* Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
* Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
* Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services

Also Leroy, Hitler was a fascist as fascists believe in one party rule and do not want to hear from others, much like what Obama stated last week when he said that all of that do not like what he is doing need to shut up and let him fix the problem. Problem with that is Hussein Obama is part of the cabal that caused and blocked regulation and oversight of Fannie and Freddie that could have stopped this recession before it started.

And you stated; ‘Jan 2001 till Jan 2009′ I guess that you mean when President Bush worked with Democrats on the issues of education, senior health care, and other issues. That is not fascism, as a matter of fact that is the exact opposite fascism. What Hussein Obama is doing now is Fascist wanting to have the opposition shut down so he can rule. That is truly un-American.

You people think you know it all! I bet this man made it all up about having individuals come to his house. He is trying to start something like the rest of you who comment on this page. You don’t know whats good for you! Most of you work someone because you can’t think for yourself. Look we all voted for Obama and lets give him a chance. I agree the older people are costing us alot of money so we need an admnistration to control this.

Well, before i get nailed by people who really like Obama, let me say this. I’ve been anti-governemnt since Bush’s second term, and I make no exception for Obama who will be even worse then Bush. ( And he was pretty bad.)I’m sick of politicans claiming to be different and bring about change and all that crap. (a.k.a Obama)

What people dont realize is that the government option will be paid and funded by the government which can print unlimited amounts of money which will make any kind of private competition impossible. It will be a government run monopoly. All this adds up to is yet another aspect of society which will be more closely controlled by the government. I’ve bloody had it with government control as it is. I’ll pass on that considering the great job the government has done with social security and medicare.

btw I make about 10k a year and am a poor college student, not some rich corporate junkie. I completely support these people speaking out at the townhalls and voicing their opinions. It seems to me that the far left doesnt like it when people protest that dont agree with them.

The government wont stop with healthcare in its effort to try to control every aspect of our lives. The patriot act was only the beginning. Dont trust either party. They are crooks and liars, everyone of them is bought. And for those far lefties, you guys arent immune from the corporate trash as well. How do you explain people like Soros who fund your canidates campaigns and own companies like Progressive Insurance. Both sides have big business in interest, dont kid yourself.

Man we are sooooo screwed. The more I read the news, the scarier it gets.

“Because, once health care is free, you will need a whip to get me to work. I certainly won’t work voluntarily, when food and health care is free.”

Here, here. I think it is all about CONTROL for the ruling class. Health care is just a carrot along with every thing else socialists use to bait and switch voters.

Why not try simple changes like lifting state insurance pool barriers, allow nation-wide, portable HSA and catastrophic coverage, tort reform to begin to alleviate some of the current govt distorted situation. Maybe then we could figure out what next to do. The gov’t meddles in the market too much as it is and the actual price of health care goods and services can’t easily be determined. Just like in education.

I have eaten buffalo and dog, but no horse, “yet”

Obama overall approval less than 50% and dropping like a stone.

People are catching on to the WACKY one.

The nazi’s replaced the left in Germany. The nazi’s and the communists were fighting against each other for the same political space. Hitler was not in bed with the capitalists, they sucked up to him after he got rid of the left/communists. Like I said in my first post, go do some real homework…..

Justjoe, you are an Obama brown shirt, and that is why you won’t address the questions. You are a paid Government hack. What will you do, when everyone quits working? I certainly won’t work, once health care is free. The only reason I ever started working in the first place, was to get health care for my children. Heck, the schools are free, the lunch is free, breakfast is free, the bus to school is free, really. It is an honest question. What will they do when everyone quits working?
You know the answer. A nice government program for the unemployed. A nice labor camp. Maybe, they can name the camp, Auschwitz?

I left a Communist courty 44 years ago, where there was no freedom of Speech and a gov’t controlled health plan……Never in my wildest dream the Country I love is being transformed by a punch of Socialist/Marxit like Obama, Pelosi, Reid….I had to listen to thier crap for the last 7 years as they and Moveon.org / CodePink and all thier croonies bashed Bush…Yea there where things that I disagreed with Bush….but now that they are running (into a socialist state) this Country, we can’t express our views? What do they think we are Stupid? No that’s right they are “Smart Elites” they know better….Listen up people I know what they are pushing and it is not what this Great Country was founded on…Stand up let your voice be heard…do not let this happen hear…this is the Country of Freedom, Freedom of Choice, Speech, Religion….Obama and his croonies are WRONG AND DANGERIST to you.

I do not understand why all of the freedom loving Americans are so upset. Of course this is not popular… but we have to understand that BIG BROTHER has our best interests at heart. It is not for us to question Big Sis Pelosi and her plans with Big Brother Obama. We should just feel lucky that we have such great leaders to take care of us. Womb to the Tomb care… and if you don’t want to go to the Gulag??? Ask no nquestions!

Lets see….. it is patriotic to confront President Bush when he was in office, but if we confront President Obama and his policies it is un-american?

Gary, wrong. You can say that the Nazis were right wingers all you like but you would only be lying to yourself and everyone you talk to. Does it bother you so much that you lie about this issue, or is it since you have so much in common with Nazi’s you do what every leftists does and says ‘I am not a Nazi, you are.’ Nazi’s were leftist socialist fascists, get over it. And if you do not like being part of the left because of this fact change your affiliation to independent.

kmichaels is right.

I want A FREE HOUSE TOO.

1) Not everyone owns a house.
2) Real estate companies companies make too much money.
3) We pay taxes in order to house the homeless.

So, using Obama logic,
I want a free house too.

There will be a huge march on Washington DC on Sept 12th. Bring your family to witness history in the making. Tell Obama and his cronies…NO, NO, NO…This is America, and we will not tolerate socialism or his ilk here.

Funny how everything was Bush’s fault, but during his term things were on the up. Only in 06 when the Liberals were elected to Congress did things go sour.
I’m all for going after the Unions in the next few years. Time for some kneecapping against them for a change. God knows we bailed them enough already this year. When it says “Union Made” know that when you buy it, the money goes to the Liberals. Enough of supporting people that need their Union Mommies to watch over them.
It also seems Obamalamadingdong gave more money to more Corps than all other Presidents combined….yet the Corps have the Right in their pocket?…silly Liberals.

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WE NEED LEADERS NOT ARROGANCE!

Obama and his bunch of stooges want to manage public health care while SPECIFICALLY WRITING THEMSELVES OUT of that very same plan. What are they afraid of?

LEAD THE WAY! Obama and Congress should abandon their own platinum plated LUXURY HEALTH CARE and subject themselves to exactly what they propose for the rest of us. While they are at it why don’t they LEAD THE WAY and abandon their own platinum plated LUXURY RETIREMENT SYSTEM and retire on the ponzi scheme Social Security they have created for the rest of us?

LEAD THE WAY! They should also immediately abandon their CHAUFFEURED, GAS-GUZZELING LIMOS and drive to work in Obama dork-cars like they expect us to do! They should also FLY COACH OR BUSINESS CLASS on the extravagant trips they make at the expense of tax-payers!

WHERE ARE THE LEADERS?

i like how leroyeck considers pro-israelis nazis hey breitbart why is this terrorist lover allowed to post here and why is left-wing lunatic allowed as well

Actually Brian;
Fascism is “Government control of industry”. Fascism is where Central Planners tell businesses what to do. It is where Government closely controls Industry to better serve the needs of the State. It is where Government runs the banks, schools, auto mfg, insurance, medical, well, basically, Fascism is what we already have. We are exactly like Nazi Germany, EXCEPT that we can still quit our jobs. Once health care is free, I certainly won’t need to work any more. Then there will be an “unemployment” crisis! And of course, Government Work Camps to solve the problem….

93|\/|etro, you are wrong as well. The Nazi Party replaced the center-right capitalist form of Government Germany had. You leftists here are either lying and trying to re-write history or are just completely ignorant of history.

A message to the union thugs reading this post (sorry if I assume they have an IQ level able to access something other than porn) – Bring It On. We’re not even remotely afraid of you or your leader. I’m willing to shed blood, are you?

Stinky – not a government hack – did vote for Obama, don’t support everything he says. I’m certainly not paid by the government at all. After I left the service, I’ve been working in private industry – mostly private investigation, process service and asset location. I don’t know why you think that everyone that supports the administration is a paid mouthpiece of Obama – I can assure you that I am not. Also, I’ve answered every question asked of me openly and directly, in spite of your insinuation that I won’t “address the questions”. What questions? Perhaps the problem with your ilk is that you keep rallying about answers to questions that you WON’T ASK because you know that there are ACTUAL ANSWERS that don’t support you position. Ask away!

Obama and his domestic enforcers are going to “change” this country into a socialist dictatorship, no matter what the American people want. If you disagree, you will be deemed “Un-American” and punished accordingly.

The enforced (by ACORN) election of this President and the Democratic majority in 2006 is the biggest mistake in American history.

Good Luck Chuck – “I am sorry for this family but the pre-existing condition of cerebral palsy is NOT covered under your insurance plan.”

What are you talking about? I have a 7 year old child with Cerebral Palsy and ALL of his medical issues due to CP are covered under private health insurance. I cannot imagine not having the choice to find the most appropriate doctor and therapist to treat his ongoing medical needs. It frightens me how quickly Americans are losing their right to voice their opinions that may differ from the Administration.

I think some of the posters here are buncha welfare do nothings posting on a monday afternoon. this guy asked dingle what number the amendment was; dingle didn’t know. and none of you deathcare shills are offering any of us right wingers any reassurances that this gov monopoly of health care is going to be of a higher quality. You aren’t convincing because you are a much of arrogant a holes who think socialism is what all should desire.

Most of the people here are either knowingly lying, or have been duped.

I never in my nearly 6 decades on the planet thought that big insurance would have the little guy so duped wheras they are intentionally bending over and asking for more of the same..

Insurance companies ONLY exist to make money.. they count on more money coming in than going out. I was dropped from my insurance when I became too expensive for them.. it will happen to each and everyone of us it we beg for ‘more of the same’..

Don’t buy into the lies and work for the elites.. who sit back and laugh at people who can not afford to, scream they don’t want big insurance companies to profit at their expense..

OF COURSE palsy victims would be covered.. the man is either a plant and using his son as a ‘prop’ or he is very dumb.

What Obama wants Obama gets and aint’ no one gonna stop that. Right now it’s the health plan. Couple that with the Bail out program and more leverage to enter into the final chapter. He will fix things the way he and his folks have decided and that my friends is that.

40 years ago, I worked a couple of years for the Teamsters union and know very well how those folks like to forcibly mix it up in politics, especially Liberal Democrat Party politics.

Yes sadly, I have on assignment from various teamster officials enforced union attitude-adjustment changes on those men and women who disagreed with the union and party bosses.

Obama, Pelosie and Reid bring back haunting memories from the 60’s and 70’s.

Stinky McStinkheimer, how is that any different from what he posted. In the dictionary it basically states both. But you are right, under Hussein Obama we are looking at a fascism as he is doing everything you just described.

For those taking pot shots at elderly and sick people on this forum, you must be really young and think you’re going to be young forever. Newsflash, you’re not. If this healthcare bill passes and younger people become ill, the same that applies to the elderly and sick, will apply to them. They will be left to die, because of lack of care. Age has nothing to do with it. You will be useless to society as far as Obama and his administration are concerned, so before you take your pot shots at sick and older people, you had better consider it. Oh and also, what are all you that don’t oppose this bill going to do, when Obama’s committee decides to kill off the sick and elderly? Most of the taxes will be your problem, because older people that they deem worthless to live, won’t be here to help you pay them. So put that one in your pipe and smoke it. Oh and BTW, maybe you should insist that Obama quit smoking. It’s really not good for his health.

Does anyone know why they voted for this current president. I don’t know his real name but he is the one that currently resides in the white house.

A Community organizer can’t BITCH when a community decides to organize! Deal with it DRONES!

Ohh.. duh *slaps head*

I get where the extremist slant is coming from.. This video is linked to the top story in Drudge..;

*LMAO*..

It’s all so clear now..

CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH EZIKIEL EMANUEL (POS LAWYER) RAHM EMANUEL (POS) AND THIS POS HEALTH CARE BILL

SHADES OF THE 1930s GERMANY GETTING RID OF THE INFIRM.

We dont always get what we want ,But we got what we deserved!

Justjoe, the question is “What will they do when everyone quits working?”
Because, no one will work, if health care and school are free. I am telling you, I WILL QUIT working once health care is free. What will you do to me and my children?
A labor camp?

Just another white man trying to get over on the system… all these white folks are just complaining about nothing. pull your boot strap up and make something happen. You get all the breaks that america has to offer and you still complaining…

Capitalists in Nazi Germany considered Hitler an uneducated bafoon and despised him. Hilter stole votes from one party, namely the socialist/communist party. Hitler, like communists, wanted an elisist control of the incapable masses. Much like Reid, Pelosi and Obama do today. Same mental attitude that Americans need to be fed pablum and controlled by an elitist ruling class that knows better.

The reason that Obama, Pelosi, Hoyer and Reid believe they can make life or death decisions for everyone is because they want to be Gods. They believe, as most agnostic and atheistic people believe, that they are the final arbiter of all decisions for everything. Don’t be fooled by their support for religion; that is only in place to get them elected. Look at their actions not their words or their claims. Because they don’t really believe in a higher power they see themselves as God. This is what leads to their desire to control of the environment and individuals who live in the environment, man or beast. Their control is a means an end of creating their own style of Utopia. They believe that they can legislate their morality on others but this is why they say they hate religion. For they say religions use a fear of the unknown to control the masses (not necessarily a bad thing because they leave free will intact); these politicians use a fear of the unknown about problems they create themselves to control the masses too. But the difference is, the politicians (soft dictators) take free will (liberty) away. This is also known as soft tyranny. There is nothing new here. This has gone on for 6000 years in one form or another practiced by leftist dictators and their minions. This kind of control, the taking of individual liberty, is VERY appealing to them. In the words of my favorite Buffalo Springfield song: “Step out of line, the man come and take you away.”

Obama has been hanging out with his buddy Hugo Chavez for too long. They may follow like sheep in Venezuela but we are Americans and it is high tome that we took America back from these greedy Communisists.

Oh, OK Joeindenver, I get it now-you’re Jesus. What I don’t get, however is your former post trashing those that believe in a man made God. Make up your mind.

This President and congress resemble Hitler and his thugs. Anyone who is sick,
and old do not have a chance under this bill. The government will tell us how
and what we take for treatment. Our doctors will not have a say. That is how
they will keep cost down. People are going to die. They dont care. Our insurance
will no longer exist. Some employers will drop insurance because government is
offering it free. And there are numerous other problems that will come to pass.
They don’t like it when people are angry. It is because we are frustrated that
there is nothing that we can do or say to stop this.

The evil left has taken off their masks and stepped out from behind the curtain. They are now trying to goose step all over us.

We are not going quietly into the night.

Go ahead, pass this health care bill, make my day!

Mr. Sola we stand with you

Both here and in person – the LIBs and their Union Goons are attacking this father and son just for expressing their feelings. I swear, these un-American, traitorous, degenerate swine are a pus-oozing chancre sore on the rear end of our great country, that should be rounded up, tried and convicted of their crimes. It’s time we got back to basics and identified LIBeralism for what it is: a mental illness that can be treated by lobotimization, isolation, and incarceration.

What’s really ironic is that basically, this is a masturbatory exercise in ego gratification. Sadly, I get caught up in the rhetoric, too. What will really piss off the right is this statement.

All in all, it doesn’t matter – Health Care reform will pass – the votes are there. The corporations fighting this are only going to regret the money they lost on the fight. I voted for Obama, and I’m proud that I did. I still support him as do the vast majority of Americans. Don’t throw poll numbers at us because we know who really controls the media.

The American public isn’t stupid, nor is the public uninformed. We know that our power is in voting and we flexed that muscle mightily back on election day, which we will continue to do, much to the demise of those screaming, kicking and holding their breath here.

Instead of holding your breath until Palin takes power (wow I got through that with a straight face) why don’t you please just stop breathing altogether.

Well, this video is all I had to see. Screw you Obama! I vow to vote you all out in 2010/2012. I’m not putting up with this.

And that comment by JimmyDem that older people are “costing us alot of money so we need an administration to control this.”

First of all, learn to spell, idiot. Second of all, who the HELL are YOU to decide who lives or dies? People like you disgust me!

The moon is made of cheese!

We have beat down communism before we WILL do it again! you little liberal kiddies need to learn your history!

Notice – Fox News won’t investigate the validity of the concern? FOX refuses to look at the bill to see if this man’s son is covered.

That is because FOX does not want the truth to be told.

Kathy – Never said I didn’t believe in God – my concept of god is just very different than yours and Mr. Smith’s. My god chooses people and compassion over profit and corporate power. My god doesn’t require me to go to church on Sunday and camouflage my shame by tithing my income to the church. My god asks me to serve my fellow man and show compassion and kindness wherever I can.

I’m not Jesus – I just respect what he stood for more than his corporate image.

I need healthcare but dont think I can afford it. Someone should tell congreemans to use peoples tax refunds to pay for health assurance. If your rich enough to get a tax return, you should pay it twards Obamas health assurance…period! It is good for America. There are so many people who live without it.

Thanks Dem trolls ! You just inspired me to FIRE the libs that work for me : ) Good going !
oh, BTW Bernie Madoff is a Democrat that gave to the DNC and they won’t give back that stolen money.

@Justjoeindenver 4.38pm

Why would we ask an “asset locator” about Health Care, do you think we can’t fhuking read?

Anyway have a go at responding to this Dr.Professor Scholar O’Gumshoe.

Are you ready to have some government dinque turn your lights out?

Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT

justjoeindenver thinks that a large government elistist power hungry few like the dem leaders are going to be more trustworthy than people in corporations. What idiot joe misses is that at least the corporations are good for the economy whereas a large government just takes more of your money. joe also is morally weak in that he thinks that forced charity is a good idea. Joe thinks that robbing from his neighbor to give to his less rich layer is morally correct. Again, Joe just sounds like a real idiot when you get down to the details.

The only thing Hitler did that other politicians rarely do, is send teams of “brown shirts” to kill and or beat the crap out of anyone that voiced any opposition to his plans. Not since Abraham Lincoln have we actually sent small groups of people to beat and kill the opposition. (What? you didn’t know that Lincoln had newspaper reporters killed and anyone caught publicly speaking against him beaten or killed? – you must have gone to public school) Lincoln was far worse than Hitler. As percentage of population – Lincoln genocide more people (indians) and raped, pillaged and murdered ALL the women and children in the south he could catch. My point? It is the tactic of beating and berating the opposition we should abhor. And I bet Obama has sent instructions to all his brown shirt followers, to beat and berate those who oppose his socialist agenda. (just a guess, bet we see way more violence)

Just a Dick – huh? that made NO sense whatsoever.

Traced JustJoes IP. It is owned by the Federal Government. Hmmmmmm…..

So this is justice according to you Dims and Tards? Threatening handicapped people and senior citizens? You and your despot need to go!

Hey, Elder KMichaels – point out exactly where I made those points. Blatant lies. This is how your side operates – catch phrases based on lies with no substance whatsoever. Isn’t that how the LDS church was founded?

As I keep saying, Chicago Political Machine is running well and strong. Now the representatives have learned it from Obama and are spreading it abroad. There were four articles on http://www.AmericanParchment.com that caught my interest 1) a video showing Sen. Durbin saying that these protests were all staged, 2) Harry Reid admitting that he would not have any town hall meetings, just phone calls, 3) Nancy Pelosi and Hoyer calling all protesters un-american, and 4) last but definately not last a poll that showed that 51% fear the government over insurance companies when it comes to health care. These senators will learn. It actually seems like we have them all on the run. We must continue to protest, be respectful but strong and show them we mean business. Silent No More.

Vote the bums out next time

This is video has no news value. No information was provided.

When has people getting mad been news worthy? Go to a few school board meetings,
or local government meetings and someone is yelling.

Typically, they are ill informed and paranoid.

Really, Stinky? Cuz’ i’m in my living room. Why don’t you tell us all what that IP is? C’mon back up a lie – just once.

And, justjoe is not in Denver. He is in Colorado Springs. Maybe, he is an artificial intelligence program running in Cheyanne Mountain?

JUST KIDDING! (about justjoe) I made that up. But, I actually like his comments. It is good to dialog with all kinds of folks. I bet he is really cool.

Folks…….when 2010 ….comes around…..VOTE!!!!!VOTE!!!!!VOTE!!!!!
SEND THEM A CLEAR MESSAGE AND VOTE THESE BUMS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe, you have no idea what my religious beliefs are however, I do believe that while showing kindness and compassion wherever you go is very admirable, a starving person would much more appreciate receiving a hamburger and hamburgers do cost some gold.

Actually, I live in Pine Junction, CO. Moved from Denver about 6 months ago to the mountains. Nowhere near the Springs.

Hey just joe, You been in your living room since 2:00pm? Dang. I been at work. (if you can call jacking around on stupid forums working) Once I get free health care, I will quit working though. And I’ll have lots more time to mess with your head.

Kathy – so you’d refuse a starving person food? Doesn’t that church you donate too offer some manner of charity outreach program? I bet it’s staffed by volunteers, too.

I will gladly pay you on Thursday, for free health care today. (oh wait) For a HAMBURGER today! (that’s a popeye joke)

Most of my work is computer based and consists of background searches feeding data into my databases. I generally work evenings (Process Service) and I’m home during the afternoon to prepare my reports and my route. I also work weekends, so I have some flexibility during the “typical” work hours.

Lexis-Nexis does a lot of my work for me…. I just pay the bill.

@justnumbnutsindenver 5.01pm

We don’t need to drill IP’s we got a list and here’s your picture.

This guy folks in an Obamawack paid shill.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/56222307@N00/3167840371/in/pool-grbaha

Anotherstupid liberal; “I am truly embarrassed by the lack of intelligence, knowledge and compassion that the “LIBERALS” in this country seem to embrace. …. I’m confused, I guess. Please explain this to me in a way that feels right in my heart.”

Lets make this simple, why doesn’t President know it all offer the American Public the same plan that he, his family and Congress get for Health Care. If that is too expensive then offer a plan that includes the American Pubic and the President and Congress will also get. They are not special, they do not need their own Air Planes and a better Health Plan than the American Public gets. We pay them to work for us, they do not own us, they work for us as their employers we should tell them what to do.

Hey – that’s not even my best picture. Actually, you got the color wrong, too.

You right wing nutbags are losing ground with your lies! Now you’ve really messed up! The left wing religious groups (the black baptist, and all) are planning to infiltrate town halls in support of healthcare reform. We all know your wingnuts won’t show up if the black folks do. The old white people are scared to death of them, and they should be! They’re your worst nightmare because they really have nothing to lose. I guess that conservative loser that showed up to shout out against any health care reform and was hurt in St. Louis understands. After all, the latest news is he needs help paying his hospital bill because he had no health insurance. STUPID CONSERVATIVE RIGHT WING NUTBAGS!

The protesters can speak as loud as they can at the town hall meetings all they want, but their loudest voice will be their vote when these simple-minded dummycrats are up for re-election. All the protesters need to do is let these socialized health care pushers know that if they vote for this bill, the people will speak very loudly with their vote in the voting booth. Nothing scares the pants off these simple-minded dummycrat Senators like knowing they may lose their cushy government jobs, which we, the taxpayers, pay for.

These people need to be treated like the war protesters — tear-gassed and blasted with water cannons. If you don’t like what our democratically elected officials are saying, trying winning an election. Shouting them down is exactly what the brownshirts did in the 1930s. I expect this kind of behavior in third world countries, not the US.

The right-wing is truly the last refuge of the stupidest of our citizens.

HA HA spluttered: “You right wing nutbags are losing ground with your lies! Now you’ve really messed up!”

I think you need to look behind you and see just who is losing ground.

I have friends in Colorado Springs. (military) They have the coolest Zoo in the world. Everyone in the military has free health care. Of course, they don’t get paid much. I think people see “free healthcare” as the tipping point, from which there will be no going back. No matter how bad it fails, the Government will be on the hook to FIX what they broke. (Much like banking – they break it, then claim only THEY can fix it) The Government broke health care, and is now claiming that brilliant central planners with God like knowledge can fix it. For most people, that just doesn’t pass the smell test.

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus ladies! Do you really think that any one of us would stand it – do you really think that any one of us would not help to beat down the door of the White House – if they really decided to euthanize old people in this country? You do? Who do you think would be okay with that if it turned out that there was some secret line of text that authorized it in the healthcare bill? If you think that there is even a remote chance that people will be killed by some provision of this bill, you are a wingnut. Hopefully there is a provision for euthanasia of the terminally stupid. Enjoy your conspiracy-theory-laden lives, losers.

@Justnumbnutsindenver @5.09

LexisNexis is a trademark. If you use it you, stupid b*st**d, you should learn how to spell it!

This man is a thug himself. He didn’t go there to ask a question, or hear any answers. He wanted to shout and yell and be angry. That’s all. And the fact he wants to use his son for his nasty mission is reprehensible. He doesn’t even have the skill to appear calm and collected in this interview. He’s still nasty and angry.

What is losing ground.

1) Dem health care plan losing ground.
2) Global warming losing believers
3) Obama losing ground.

Trust in Obama and Congress going down down down faster than joeindenver meeting his new savior.

Late night visit, huh. Seems the SEIU membership doesn’t realize that
many of us own firearms and know how to operate them.

Big Jim posted: “Lets make this simple, why doesn’t President know it all offer the American Public the same plan that he, his family and Congress get for Health Care.”

Hussein the lier-in-chief, promised just that on the campaign trail, but we all know how much his promises meant – Zilch.

http://www.therexreport.com

Come laugh at what America has become, thanks to Congress.

Like dinosaurs in a tar-pit. Bellowing and crying out as they are pulled under by their own bloated weight – cursing at the world around them for not helping them out of their own deadly mess. Refusing to see the world as it is, and lashing out at anyone trying to explain that they need to settle down and accept change or they’ll just get sucked in more deeply. When one side resorts to name calling and pedantic insinuations, it’s clear which side is victorious.

Keep lashing out and attacking us – we still value your life as a human being even though you’ve done nothing truly good with it. If you ever find yourself hungry, we will provide you with a meal – while you spit in our faces – because it is the right thing to do.

justjoeindenver still talking about charity but gives none himself. His form of charity is to use government force and steal from his neighbors to give money to his favorite causes. This joe, is an immoral practice that you support. Too bad. You are not only stupid for giving support to the socialist Obama but you are in favor of government run theft. You are a very weak person with very small brain power.

Proud Veteran, I’m not wrong. I’m not sure you’ve dug deep enough to find out what I’m talking about…..

As far as justjoeindenver’s last comment, most churches will give the donation/food to someone that deserves it, i.e. a family in need versus the drunk bum waiting until his next bottle of Thunderbird…..big difference.

No Joe, pay attention. To get to the hamburger stage someone must raise and feed the cow and then butcher and grind, cook and slap on a bun as cows don’t magically turn into hamburgers on their own. This would be called work and people generally get paid for work-doesn’t have to be gold or dollars, just whatever barter system is used in their area. Now since in this great country of ours, I don’t find myself confronted with starving people, I give cash to charities so that they can pay the cow raiser and producer and then give the hamburgers to those that need them. Although you seem like a sensitive and caring individual, you obviously didn’t grow up on the south side of Chicago

Norm – Even LexisNexis makes it a point to show it as two separate words, hence the capitalization. I’m sorry that my dash offended you. Way to make a point though, big guy!

How sadly ironic, the opposing views being suppressed are those opposed to the democrats’ healthcare plans.

That’s why they suppressed opposing views during the televised healthcare “debates” and even suppressed _paid advertisements_ during, before and after these propaganda sessions.

Once again the left accuses others of what they, in fact, are doing themselves.

Funny thing idiot joe, but the dinosaurs that died were the ones not able to take care of themselves. You know, like you idiot obamabots.

I’d like to know more info about what kind of threats this man received. If this person is affiliated with the Obama camp or other organized group, I want to know about it. And I think most Americans are very interested in knowing as well. Very scary indeed.

Again, KMichaels – doesn’t giving my time and energy count as giving to charity? Money does nothing but buy other people’s time and energy – take a step down from your tower and join the masses instead of throwing money at them so you won’t get anything nasty on your hands…

When will enough be enough–out with them!

The Democrat way. Intimidate. Lie. Cheat. Steal.

2010 cannot come fast enough.

I thought the dinosaurs died because they failed to heed the dangers of global warming.

This isn’t right or left, nutjob or non-nutjob. I NEVER thought I’d live in a country that had a President whose main qualification is community organizing having a cow over people who might community organize. Obama and Pelosi only care about shutting down the debate and ramming through their wishes. If Dingel read the bill, he’d know he was too old to get all the operations he’s had. But then, he’s exempt from this loser of a healthcare package. When will the senate post their version? By the way, the Brownshirts are all on the left if you haven’t noticed.

You know the LEFT WING LUNATICS from the BASEMENT ZONE of the White House are in trouble when they start going wild like they are here today.

Obama – today’s overall rating – 49%

Dropping like a stone. I’m betting 30% for October.

“Lexis-Nexis” —- BWAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been going off and on this site since the morning (coffee break and lunch) and I have found it very interesting how certain commentators have been able to swing these comments away from the outrage that was first voiced; an average Joe and him then being intimidated, to personal attacks on beliefs and name calling! Well done justjoein…. amazing deflection off the story. I too am interested in how is it you have been sitting around in your living room since 2 pm. Is this a paid gig or are you volunteering?
And just to get back to the NEWS story, why is that when the ‘average American’ was protesting during the Bush Admin. they were never lambasted as they are being done now? This double standard is what scares me the most.

Congress members and Senators need to be willing to go on this wonderful plan until then STFU

“Instead of holding your breath until Palin takes power (wow I got through that with a straight face) why don’t you please just stop breathing altogether.”

Say it ain’t so, justjoeindenver. I mistakenly took you for an altruistic saint and lo and behold you’re just another jackbooted control freak. Don’t hold the same opinion as justjoeindenver and it’s off to the ovens. No wonder people are nervous around you do-gooder ilk.

Dinosaurs lived during a time with temperatures quite a bit higher than now and life not only did well in the warmer temps but they thrived. Only idiot obamabots too stupid to move out of flood zone die. Just like you, dummy.

LOL for the bananana hat!
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt,
Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
Brüderlich zusammenhält,
Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
Von der Etsch bis an den Belt -
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt.

And there it is… Kmichaels just resorted to telling everyone in New Olreans that they deserved to die. And this is the voice of the opposition.

just in justjoeindenver charity rate given from his own money is …
tada …
zero percent.

You see, altruistic joe, generous only with other people’s money
thinks that his form of charity only works if it is FORCED by the government.

That is how these idiots think. Freely given charity is bad and government forced charity is good.

That is why I accurately call justjoeindenver both stupid and evil.

What a fraud! anyone else happy this fraud got arrested. It’s obvious he had a agenda he knows dam well his son would be covered under the President’s plan. Does he currently have insurance is it going to magically disappear under the new plan no! Fraud!

Of course they would be covered. You are all dupes of the big healthcare companies. I can bet most of you have never read ANYTHING a thousand pages long.
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Yes I did my little socialist friend, “Unintended Consequences” by John Ross. I suggest the book to all of the silent majority…..

What I said was that you have to be pretty stupid not to move out of a flood zone when you are given advanced warning. Did they deserve to die? Well, my church was there helping them stay alive. Joe’s church was not present because JOE is too damned selfish with his own work and his own money. Joe, the idiot that he is, and many in new orleans, were WAITING FOR THE GOVERNMENT instead of getting their lazy fat arses on a bus. Simple how it works.

You need to figure it out, Joe in Denver. It started with FDR. When you want to justify taking control of something you need to build the perception that they are evil and that you wear the white hate.

Want to take over big oil you declare they are evil. The fact is that government has obstructed all efforts to expand our energy to meet our growing needs for 3 decades.

If you want to take over the financial sector, you demonize them, pull a hostile takeover and fire their leadership. The fact is that Congress failed to provide regulation to prevent Fannie Mae from continuing to increase the level of risk by consuming more and more toxic assets, while pressing the industry to loan money to people without jobs, and assets.

If you want to take over the Medical industry you demonize doctors, hospitals and the quality of our medical care. The fact is that $92 billion dollars of our medial expenditure is because congress fails to reform tort law, cap the massive liabilities, and introduce looser pays. Doctors pay from 50-200 thousand for insurance and hospitals pay for 25-100 million for insurance.

If you want to take over the Insurance Industry, demonize them and introduce a plan to establish a public entity to provide competition and keep the private sector honest. The fact is that there is no competition when your opponent is also the referee and makes the rule. Over time there will be no private sector insurance.

It goes on and on. By the way Congress has pranced around charging big Oil with windfall profits on 7 separate occasions, and conducted 7 Congressional investigations. Of course, nothing happened because there was no evidence big oil did anything wrong.

Business is no threat, but government has the force of law behind it.

If this clip is shown on CNN, Obama’s heathcare is toast. It’s over. I trust this man far more than Obama, Dingel, Pelosi.

You did good America voting for Change! I am working for a non-profit company and we are bringing poor Mexicans to California. There are almost half million people under 40 in Mexico with cancer waiting for Obamacare. They do not have any other choice, but to cross the border illegally. They would be very grateful to US seniors for sharing their medical care and they will be very strong voting block as soon as they will became citizens in 2010.

I had a wonderful dream last night. I dreamt Nancy Pelosi gave me a golden shower. Now my heart yearns for my darling Pee Pee Pelosi.

KMichaels, c’mon – you keep making the same invalid point and completely ignoring my follow up. No, I don’t have extra money for charity – and I don’t attend church, so I don’t tithe.

I do volunteer for four different community groups, and I served my five years in the Army. I help people wherever I can, and I support programs that help people in any way that I can.

On the other hand, you tithe 10$ of your adjusted net income to the LDS church, and go about your profit-earning day at the expense of others, and feel like it’s OK to do.

I don’t feel like I am stupid – as I can function in this society just fine, even when having do deal with blowhard idiots like yourself. As far as evil goes, I’ll continue to live my life as I do – and I can still sleep at night and look at myself in the mirror. I guess evil is subjective – which tree have you been eating from?

Cut off the head and the serpent will die.

That is the only health care that Dems supporting this evil bill deserve.

“What a fraud! anyone else happy this fraud got arrested. It’s obvious he had a agenda he knows dam well his son would be covered under the President’s plan. Does he currently have insurance is it going to magically disappear under the new plan no! Fraud!”

WHAT are you talking about? Stop spreading lies and false information.

Help, I live in New Orleans. The governor told me to leave. The Mayor told me to leave. The president told me to leave. I chose to stay. But I am not responsible for my own actions and because I am dependent on the Government if I drown it is because the government was too slow. Especially if the government is currently run by a republican. Obama obama, please save this worthless wretch that I am. Feed me because I do not want to work, give me health because I voted for free stuff and ya beter come through. Or next year, I will vote for the other idiot that offers me free stuff. Signed, joeindenver.

Congress can afford a whole fleet of planes so they and their “spouses” can take international jaunts ……. but we have towns with no fire departments and people with no medical care. It is time Washington RETURN TO EARTH……
1) Make all politician’s pay a percentage of the AVERAGE pay of their constituents. That would give them INCENTIVE to get jobs back from China.
2) Make all politician’s retirement plans a percentage of the AVERAGE retirement plan of their constituents, that provides INCENTIVE to work for the PEOPLE.
3) Make all politicians get on SOCIAL SECURITY, like the rest of us, and dissolve their fancy, overpaid plans. All State/Federal workers also.
4) Make all politicians medical benefits a percentage of the AVERAGE benefits of their constituents, that provides INCENTIVE to work for the PEOPLE .
5) Make all politicians pensions dependent on the security of their constituent’s pensions. If the People are losing their pensions due to economic distresses then the politicians should also.

We’d be better off if Walmart took over our healtcare system.

idiot joeindenver, your follow up is just as stupid as your lead. Dumb arse.

Now that others have resorted to posting under my name, I can’t offer any further debate. This is how the right operates. Sad, and pathetic.

*cataract surgery – 8 months
*hip replacement – 11 months
*knee replacement – 12 months
*slipped disc – 5 months
*hernia repair – 5 months

….the lengthy waiting times for care under Britain’s socialist National Health Service (NHS). These figures were provided by the BBC on May 27, 2009:

“It’s a technique known as “deflecting” – pummel your opponent with questions they couldn’t possibly answer, however, in your case, you did a great job BUT they never, ever answer questions posed”

Tell me more about this “deflecting” technique. It sounds quite powerful.

“Instead, he just slowly attacked you and tried, but failed, to undermine you and your position. Great job!”

How exactly did he do this? By calling him names. I see.

“I think I’m going to become the new Internet grader for responses to such assaults. It’d be fun.”

I see a great future in this for you. As the long list of informed comment above can attest, the internet is rife with meaningful productive factual debates. But what its sorely lacking is someone with a troubled command of the english language to grade such debates. I suggest absolutely no standards other than your own “feelings.”

“I see the pattern everywhere”

Lay off the drugs

“and what’s most interesting is the trolls are now selecting their targets due to their knowledge base about the “topic” du jour.”

This is typically called education. Oh, and French, as I’m assuming you meant tete a tete in the beginning of your post. You’re already half French. You can join John Kerry.

“You were picked my friend. Lucky you.”

Lucky indeed.

“Oh and then momma whatever pounded you with false innuendo. She’s the back-up troll who comes to defend her guy.”

I’m a man but thank you for the compliment. And if you didn’t hate me already, I live in dreaded NYC. In case you are curious, its a couple blocks away from Denver. How did I “pound” anything? If by “pound” you meant post then I think we are all guilty of that. But my favorite is “false innuendo?” What the hell does that mean. And I’m asking both on a theoretical level and an actual level. I’ll bet you a whole can of beans that you can’t define either of those terms. Just for fun, go and look them up, then put them together and let me know what you find. I think you’ll be very surprised.

I’m going to write a book on trolls and how they operate. hhhmmmm”

That books sounds fantastic, but I think you might be accused of plagiarizing Mein Kampf. I’d certainly give it a shot, you’re halfway there already.

Man I’d buy that book in a second.

“I prefer reading Joe the Plumber’s work.”

Like all good writing you’ve “shown us” not “told us” this is true. Get to work!!!!!

Comic relief from the Left? This is hilarious! lol!

I’d love to have some of Obunghole’s commie thugs pay me a visit. It’d be the last thing they remember.

Lock and Load, time to fight for freedom again…

“I think the Obama plan will be save America from the ______ and keep them where they belong: in prison or jail. . . .”

Really? Does the name “Archie Bunker” ring a bell with you?
How about the name “Richard Nixon”?

To the poster who penned these words: think long and hard about the words you have spoken.

Poor justjoeindenver wants government force to control these boards so that his view will be listed as correct. Poor little worthless tuurd that he is. He wants the government to take lots of money from his neighbors to subsidize his life and cant understand why people dont like him. We need a new let’s like joeindenver even though he is a dumbarse program. Please support the LLJJIDETHIADA. We cant let these useful idiots die off. Then where would we be. I mean besides a good economy and everyone working and providing for their own. Besides that, where would we be.

Fed up with Obama? Check out this song at; http://www.myspace.com/rogerweber

You’ll feel better.

Re Joe in Denver

Too bad for Justjoeindenver, he works as a paid shill for the Obmamawacks and his work is lousy. Obama down to 49% and dropping like a stone. Good work Joe.

There are thousands upon thousands of people out there like the gentleman video’d here with his sick son and the word is getting out.

By the way has anyone had a look at Justjoe’s 87 Caddy.

http://www.fotosearch.com/bigcomp.asp?path=SUE/SUE110/GFCL0033.jpg

You are paranoid!! By the end of Obama’s presidency you will need medical help..for insanity.

Just look at how someone else (above) used my name to mock me. I am shocked and appaled that nobody here takes me seriously. After all, being the 8,000-IQ liberal that I am, I’m so much better than the rest of you neanderthals. Hell, my farts even smell like roses!

Justjoeindenver, dont wait for the government. Go door to door and force your neighbors to give cash to pay for homeless people to get insurance. I am sure they will believe in your cause and readily hand you over a large percentage of their earnings. You know, because they will agree that it is the right of non workers to get what the workers have. Everyone is equal.

This is obama and his hand picked thugs who seek to intimidate honest, law abiding people who disagree with obama’s socialism and government control of healthcare. obama is turning our country into Venezuela. If you want to live under communism, keep supporting obama and his leftist thugs. If you want your country back again, start writing, emailing, telephoning your senators and your congressman. Tell them that you are fed up with obama and socialism. We don’t have to threaten or coerce anyone. The American People are getting the message loud and clear that obama is a fraud and a liar and will do nothing but destroy our great country if he gets what he wants.

This is just silly. Here we are, pawns in the game. Fighting each other – calling names. I mean, the video, this is really stupid. The guy doesn’t want free health care – because…. wait for it … HIS SON won’t get free health care under the plan? ?????
I don’t want free health care, because I don’t believe central planners have the God like knowledge necessary to come up with one ingenious plan that will work just perfectly. I believe the Government will screw it up. Why? Because they have screwed up EVERYTHING they have done so far! Even health care! they screw it up, then tell you – only they can fix it! Anyway, for those of you who were taught we live in a Republic where the Constitution limits what the Government can do to you, you are wrong. Stop arguing with people, because that is a fantasy. We live in a National Socialist State. Accept it. Work hard and pay your taxes. If you get sick, the Doctor will probably kill you, weather he works for the Federal Government or not.

This stupid mother F’er contradicts himself at least 6 times in this video. What a rube.

Speaking of useful idiots, how is that hope and change thing going so far, justjoeindenver? You got a raise? You providing better for your family? Or are you just a slug looking for more handouts?

Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have asked the unions to intimidate US citizens and voters at town hall meetings. Wouldn’t suprise me a bit if they start visiting homes in the dark of night. A 12 gauge slug will end that quick though, until the socialists remove your right to own and bear arms for self defense.

This is going to get out of control. This will get out of control and someone is going to get hurt. I can promise you one thing; if someone comes to my house to “send a message” to me and my family they will get shot in the face. Simple as that. Bring it on you cowardly socialists bastards.

This is the TRUE face of the democratzi party. Their evil knows no bounds. If people are really paying attention they will never elect another democrat to any office! Evil, evil tactics. This just makes me sick to my stomach.

“Dingell Barry August 10th, 2009 – 5:42 pm
I’d love to have some of Obunghole’s commie thugs pay me a visit. It’d be the last thing they remember.
”

I bet Vicky Weaver, and those church people in Waco thought the same thing.
I myself gladly subject myself to the will of the ruling class. It is the best way to stay “outside the wire”. When you feel the Shock Torture Tazer on your ass, you will agree with me.

Justjoe-

You give everybody here your, gifted 136 I.Q., explanation as to why, we the people, every single one of us, in these here United States of America, should hand over our health care system to the government(politicians)(someone with such a high I.Q. should have no problem doing this) and show us simple folk the error of our freedom lovin ways, maybe we”ll follow you to the government promise land.

Go for it, dazzle us!!

Obama has finally been truthful. They are hitting back twice as hard.

What’s even funnier (or sad) is that Obama’s only been in office less than 7 months and already he’s slipping in the polls andhis whole agenda the polls and his whole agenda is crashing and burning. Too much, too fast. The Dems are fighting amongst themselves and calling people nazis and un-American, yet this was all par for the course during Bush’s term. The American people need to vote EVERY member out of the house and start over in 2010, and 1/3 of the Senate.

KMICHAELS – You seem to be getting less intelligible with each post, almost as if your brain is slowly slipping out through your nose. Were the earlier posts a moment of clarity or are you just nearing the end of the bottle?

Phuck Obama and his followers!

Glad to see this man take a stand!
We need more people like this!
It is time to speak up and fight back!!!!!

Be ready to fight for your freedom people!

Oh and one other thought. Just how many things can you make free through government give aways? Production and labor has to produce the money and the means for the government to give anything away. If things are given away for free, people lose all incentive to do anything for them if they can get it for free. Human greed is countered by human laziness. Take anyone of them out of the equation and you have a problem.

Everyone knows that if a public option is introduced, there wont be any private competition. Once we have public healthcare, theres no way of going back. Social programs are almost never cut, instead money is just printed to pay for them or taxes are increased.

Also people, cmon. Ad Hominem attacks are lame. Calling someone a left or right wing nut doesnt really promote any debate, it just ticks off the person you are trying to debate with making it very unlikely that they will ever really listen to what you have to say.

Goons intimadating people at night. This is right out of the obama, a.k.a. “Pinhead”, book of “community disrupting”. Pinhead and his goons, along with pelosi and reid need to be ousted asap!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe Plumber (aka Mobster)-
THANK YOU for taking notes while you read the bill. If those in favor of the bill would actually read it, they would realize that those of us being called the “crazy, un-american, swastica carrying mob” are speaking the truth. The government not only wants to control us, they want to kill those of us who can no longer contribute to society. Read history folks…this happened before. Read about Stalin & Hitler. The similarities to Obama are alarming. GREAT POST JOE!!!

This all boils down to Barack Hussein Obama and the Cloward-Piven Strategy of Orchestrated Crisis.

“….The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The “Cloward-Piven Strategy” seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.”

Hillary Clinton said about criticizing the gov’t “I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic, and we should stand up and say, “we are Americanss and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration”

By the time 2010 or 2012 rolls around most of you here will have forgotten all about it and will stay home AGAIN and not vote them out.

This people are dumber than JOE the PLUMBER DUMB DUMB

MORE THAN $3,000,000 IN HEALTH CARE SPENT ON 2 ILLEGALS! TAKE 3 MINUTES AND WATCH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLJxmJZXgNI&feature=fvw

THEN PASS IT ON!

Hey Statist Leftist morons read the bill fools:

Page 22 Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure. Punitive.

Page 29 Admits your health care will be rationed

Page 30 A government economy will decide what treatments and benefits you get, and unlike an insurer, there is an appeals process

Page 58 Every person will be issued a national ID health card

Page 59 The federal government will have direct real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer – WHAT A GREAT IDEA HUH STUPID LEFTIST.

Page 239 The bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid, meaning there will be Medicaid cuts.

Page 427 Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment. Government dictates how your life ends.

Page 429 Advanced care planning consult will be used to dictate treatment as patients’ health deteriorates. This can include an order for end-of-life plans. The order will be from the government.

I have never been involved in politics in my life. But, next election I will do all that I can to get these democrats out!

Obama got my vote in ‘08 and I am sorry that I was duped and am going to fight like heII to get rid of him.

SEIU brownshirts beat a political opponent in St Louis. Democrat apparatchiks
terrorize a handicapped boy’s family in Michigan. Is this what Obama learned
from Saul Alinsky? We don’t need Nazi Piglosi or her buttboy, Steny Himmler,
lecturing us on Americanism!

Why does this keep getting moderated out?

Hillary Clinton said about criticizing the gov’t “I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic, and we should stand up and say, we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration”

Most of you here will have fotgotten this by the time 2010 or 2012 rolls around and stay home AGAIN and not vote them out.

To those of you who believe that you can keep your private insurance under this plan, think again. Most of us work for companies that provide our health insurance and we pay a very small amount (in comparison to what our employer pays). Under this reform plan, companies can get away with paying a penalty equivalent to 8% of payroll to get out of needing to provide employees with insurance. This 8% penalty is going to result in more profits for the company – what company is not going to drop this expense of providing insurance. Also what employer is going to keep payrolls as high as they are today when they have a penalty based on that amount. This plan is going to result in us losing our private insurance & even higher unemployment.
I don’t care what party you belong to, wake up!! Nothing in life is free. The healthcare reform bill is a nightmare for all of us. Only the free-loaders and illegal aliens are going to benefit. The only folks that I feel sorry for, are those with pre-existing conditions. That is all we should be addressing. The Federal Government provides Flood Insurance for those living in Flood Zone; why not have them offer Health Insurance to those who are “un-insurable”???? I guess that is just too simple for these politicians. They need to complicate the mess and ruin our healthcare system.

The democratic party has turned into a joke. Lucky for them, most people still have a lingering halo-effect from voting for Obama and haven’t been paying attention during the summer. When they begin paying attention and the halo-effect diminishes, it’ll be a Carter administration all over again.

Joe in Denver 5.49pm

Who they do like is the guy in the video who stood up to speak for his desperately ill son and was removed by the Obama/Dingellnuts police force.

@ justjoeindenver: all of your comments, every single one of them, argue the Communist point of view. Your, that’s a Communist point of view.

There is no “right” to health care. Not in the U.S.A., not in our Constitution. No right to health care, no right to a drivers license, no right to migrate illegally into the U.S. and remain illegally here. No right to that says corporations can’t earn what they can.

And placed end-to-end, as you suggest, I’d be willing to bet that Obama-Negatives as to public opinions would far outreach those supporting the man, if he’s man at all.

I write that last because in my definition of morals and ethics, a coward and a liar aren’t called a man.

If you’d like to support your “community” with “free healthcare,” nothing’s stopping you funding such. And volunteering to create and maintain such. You could, say, donate all of your wife’s earnings to create such a “free” service to any and all who you think have “a right to health care” where you live (Denver, CO). Report back to us in a year after you’ve launched that service and tell us how you’re balancing your books.

I’m guessing you are Hispanic, also. You bespeak of a Socialist/Communist mentality that typifies many people who are from or whose parents are from Socialist Central and South America.

Dingell Barry August 10th, 2009 – 5:42 pm
I’d love to have some of Obunghole’s commie thugs pay me a visit. It’d be the last thing they remember.
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Show up at a townhall meeting and try to shout down our democratically elected officials and you’ll have a night you’ll remember forever. We’re ready for you guys now. You guys act pretty tough until we fight back and then it’s “Waaaah, these union thugs are big meanies, waaaah.”

This guy is like Joe the Plumber…only older, and if possible, dumber.

Also, I’m Conservative and so far, in my history on using the internet, all the death threats and others related nastiness I’ve ever received on my websites/via my sites is from Leftwingers in (1.) Denver and Colorado Springs, CO, (2.) San Jose, CA and (3.) Atlanta, GA. All of these, urban areas from urbanites lambasting me for my Conservative views while they promote a non-Constitutional “right” created entirely out of Leftwing, Communist demands.

Go ahead, justjoeindenver, report us, report us all, the Obama Goons really want you to service them.

Commie Thugs will be Commie Thugs. – Even when they run the government.

More people need to get involved in speaking against Obama. Hes a Crook, a Fake, a sick twisted man. If this health care is so good for America then why doesn’t Obama and all the government staff and them use it to? Are we all so worthless that we get something we don’t want we get something that’s outrageous and cruel to lots of people? This health care excludes a lot of people. Its wrong to have board members and congress decide if someone gets to live or die. its wrong to say that people with disabilities cant contribute to the community so no health care for them. This is all wrong. I have handicapped brothers and with this health care plan they wont have healthcare or anything like that because they “cant contribute 2 society”. Its sad that we let such a sick twisted man in office. hes like hitler. hes the “cool, laid back no worries ill take care of you” guy. Hes trying to take away our rights and make everyone bow down to him like hitler did. Im 13years old and i can see how wrong this is.

All we need is 30 Special Op’s to show up before 2010, or 3 million taxpayers to
show up at the polls in 2010. First option, we get rid of 30 socialist dems, 2nd
option, we get rid of 45 of them without bloodshed.

Regardless, the revolution has started. Constitution loving Americans can
either show up and affect change the democratic way, or we can do it with a
revolutionary bloodfest. Register to vote, vote conservative, or stockpile arms
because that is what it is coming to if we don’t reverse this now.

Pelosi is first…… DO NOT TAKE OUT OBAMA!!!!!!! Let him live. A martyr he
will not become.

Obama has brought us closer to “National Socialism” than at any other time in the last 70 years.

It’s incredible how intolerant these fascist Democrats are.

Slice and Z are commie-loving pinko pigs-GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY. Probably union hacks too, who work an hour a day and get piggish benefits for nothing. Just try and get in my face.

As someone who bought into the “hope and change” hype, donated to Obama, and voted for him, I am deeply sorry. As a college professor, I should have seen through the lies, and realized that Obama was the product of his upbringing and not his rhetoric. It pains me greatly to admit that Sean Hannity, etc., are right, and the teachings of Alinsky, Ayers, and Wright are “coming home to roost.” Now the left is getting a taste of “Code Pink” style medicine, and they don’t like it one bit. True, the comments on this board are rife with grammatical and spelling errors, but they reflect a growing dissatisfaction among the electorate. The calls of “racism” are abjectly ridiculous. Most African Americans are loathe to speak out for a feeling of betraying history, not because they agree with the concept of socialized medicine. This is clearly the left’s goal, regardless of what the DNC sycophants say. We will see rationed care in this country, if the bill becomes law. How anyone can support this is beyond my comprehension. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and the list goes on of government-run programs that are sliding into the abyss. Pray tell, how will this be different?

I sincerely hope that this legislation is the first recipient of “end-of-life counselling.”

The congressman assumes he knows why the man was there just like he assumes he knows what’s in the bill. But he doesn’t know either one.

I have found the bottom of the Gene Pool…Fresh_Water has no concpet of what our Founding Fathers meant in the Preamble of the Constitution and based on his Profits first, humanity last mantra, he has no conept of Christianity either…

This is a very simple occurance we have here…For YEARS members of Congress have been conducting PEACEFUL townhalls to DISCUSS issues…This year, the tea baggers, GOP RNC, Hannity, TownHall, Liberty.org, RedState, Rush et al ALL produced specific instructions to their followers to DISRUPT AND SHOUT DOWN Town Halls…3 Seperate instances of Congressmen being hung in effigy, Police escorts required and on and on…

NOW that the opposition has said “bring fire and expect heat back” the Nancy boy Cons are crying over their treatment???? You created this circus, you created this environment and now you whine?

Without all the fear mongering started by Con radio, TV and leadership, we’d still be carrying on Adult level discussions about an issue that needs to be addressed….

Instead we have another “DIVERT THE SIMPLE CONS THAT MAKE UP OUR BASE” with more “Call French Fries Freedom Fries” irrationality!

Hillary said “I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic, a nd we should stand up and say, we are Americans a nd we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration”

Keith, MD August 10th, 2009 – 6:31 pm
All we need is 30 Special Op’s to show up before 2010, or 3 million taxpayers to
show up at the polls in 2010. First option, we get rid of 30 socialist dems, 2nd
option, we get rid of 45 of them without bloodshed.

Regardless, the revolution has started. Constitution loving Americans can
either show up and affect change the democratic way, or we can do it with a
revolutionary bloodfest. Register to vote, vote conservative, or stockpile arms
because that is what it is coming to if we don’t reverse this now.

Pelosi is first…… DO NOT TAKE OUT OBAMA!!!!!!! Let him live. A martyr he
will not become.
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Wow, sounds like you just threatened the speaker of the house with death. Maybe you’ll get a visit.

My God. These Democrat thugs are out of control. This Obamacare needs to be brought down and the liberals need to be run out of Congress in 2010. I absolutely believe he got a threat in the middle of the night after watching the video. He reported it to the police.

This man is a Patriot concerned about the Obamacare fiasco being rammed through Congress.

Ashame on the Democrats.

The Globalist Elite are trying to hype the bogus Left vs. Right paradigm/control mechanism. Bacrock Obuma & the DNC “leadership” are total puppets of the Globalist Elite (just like the phoney (neo)”conservatives”). This is a liberty issue…the Founding Fathers NEVER intended Federal Government to have this level of empowerment over the populace. Awaken yourselves to the truth of the Globalist Elite, their pawns and agenda!

http://www.infowars.com

this administration is a Green Menace.

OBAMA 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“Most of my work is computer based and consists of background searches feeding data into my databases.” – justjoeindenver August 10th, 2009 – 5:09 pm

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In other words, you’re a spammer.

Why cant this bill be posted online, for the world to see? Where is it?

If i remember correctly, many proposed bills are placed online before they are up for vote. Why not this one? If im wrong my bad, please post a link.

Mike Sola gave a very sincere and salient argument to FOX News. Why did he not do the same with Rep. Dingell? Instead of bringing attention to his son’t ordeal, Sola opened the door for others to tar him as someone out to cause trouble. I know that Mr. Dingell may be old, but he’s not deaf. Why do we have to yell and scream like that? We need to keep the attention focused on the flaws with the proposed plan instead of making ourselves look like psychos.

Well people, if you go to a Obama Town hall and cry and ask for the almight to help, he will hold you and tell you others will pay.

“I have found the bottom of the Gene Pool…Fresh_Water has no concpet of what our Founding Fathers meant in the Preamble of the Constitution and based on his Profits first, humanity last mantra, he has no conept of Christianity either…” – StopConRhetoric August 10th, 2009 – 6:35 pm

So the Obama Left now reads minds, too? You have all these special powers, you “know” what any member of the general public knows or does not know? You got all that by being submitted to Obama? Boy, amazing, truly, those special powers and all, amazing.

/sarc.

Of course I know the Constitition and I understand and respect the Founding Fathers and their intent in writing the Constitution.

And I repeat, there is no “right to health care” any more than there is any “right” to a drivers license of a blue pair of pants or a computer or bad language.

King George didn’t listen to us, either! He learned the hard way what turning a deaf ear to his subjects.
I truly believe “We the People” are again being taken to the brink and the lesson learned will not be pleasant. These “feeders at the public trough” must be made to listen.

AND, I stand by my earlier observation that justjoeindenver as also a few more of the similar Leftists who are lambasting others here represent Communist-perspectives.

You insist a Communist perspective on this nation. You make false representation of the U.S. Constitution and lambast Americans who defy your preposterous distortions.

So, O.K., the Left is antisocial, fine, I think the world recognizes that by now. Everyone KNOWS that about the Left, that you’re anti-social.

Doesn’t mean you have any “right” to ruin the U.S. just because whatever foreign interests you may hold are adversely affecting your abilities to appreciate Americans.

I note the same denigrating terms used by the Left upon any American who does not stoop to hold up the Obama plans. It’s tiresome, old Communist crap.

ObamaKron the First declares Krystalnacht II on 10/10/10 as a mob of over a million descended on the Washington DC

@ StopConRhetoric and justjoeindenver:

Let us all know in a year after you’ve devoted your labor, money and time to creating and funding that “free healthcare” for your “community.” Nothing’s stopping you, you could just as easily give seventy percent of your worth to rent a space, hire a doctor or two, buy some medications and start doling out all that “free” care.

Let us know how you’re doing in a year with that.

Manufactured hysteria and outrage. Oh, the humanity!

SEIU, Tides Foundation, ACORN, other unions…all intrinsically aligned with the Democrats.

Obama is attempting to maneuver more taxpayer dollars into paying for unions’ expenses. That’s what this health care “emergency” is all about, they just want more and more and more and more and are busting people’s lives to attempt to grab that. Calling “disruptors” at townhalls as being somehow fake or poseurs is such an ugly lie, they’re actually the Americans that the Left wants to bleed.

Unions have a tradition of not tolerating non-union perspectives. It’s really that simple. Obama is a Thugocracy.

Dumb old liar.

If you think American’s are mad now… just wait until the great heist that ACORN and the like’s attempt to perpetuate over the American people in the next election. Just wait until you see the highly mechanized strategy of deceit work it’s wonder of keeping these people in congress.

This man as real onions but make no mistake the real skill and expertise i.e. the ‘community organizer’ in President Obama Administration is taking notes. The power structure at the top of this Country does not want to lose power- even if you were to tell our elected officials that this dictatorship is leading to the death of our Country.

When ‘our’ elected officials treat American’s with such disdain one has to really wonder what they know that we do not know about the next election.

That bill is so very unconstitutional and I don’t see where anyone is complaining about that. It violates the 1st, 4th and 10th — the government can’t tell you what insurance you can and can’t have–they can’t tell you what decisions to make and they can’t tell you that you even need this so-called “insurance”. What a farce! Wake up people.

The Resistance August 10th, 2009 – 1:46 pm
“If you want a taste of “Nazi Germany”, you need go no further than the Republican tactics…their organized disruptions of the town halls, the fearmongering on right-wing radio, the Joe-the-Plumber-style shills, their general tone of intolerance, not to mention their thinly-veiled racist rhetoric is more like Kristallnacht than anything the Democrats are doing…..”

Tell that to Ken Gladney who was beaten by SEIU thugs sent by the Dems to “keep the peace” at these town hall meetings. His only crime was being a black conservative and handing out little yellow flags with the “Don’t Tread on Me” motto on them. The also black members of the SEIU called out racist comments as they beat him. Seems to me the Nazi tactics are coming from the left. You need to get a clue!!!

Joe-
You’re looking for a copy of the bill…rather than providing a link, I’ll tell you where to go. Type in “Patrick Murphy” (he is my representative) & pick his “official site”. On the first page of his website, there is a link. It is long…make some coffee…but well worth reading….this is life or death.

We need to keep letting our voices be heard…we need to STOP this bill.

Scott, quit playing on the computer and do your homework. I don’t want to hear any lip from you tonight. If you keep this up, you won’t get to go see the Jonas Brother’s in concert.

Keep it up. Marshal Law is coming.

The iron fist is about to come down hard on American’s because those that supposedly fear God in this Country are resorting to falling into a dog fight between two political parties as they one of them can save this Country.

Half this country is deep into the Kool-Aid barrel while some are turning into flag waving Paul Revere’s. Who is bending the knee to God to give Him His glory for simply punishing a Country that has rejected God.

Yeah get mad—–get mad but do not be surprised when an order is issued from the White House to use the National Guard and Federal security agencies to ‘protect’ elected officials from angry American’s.

Yes, our tax dollars will even fund it.

Hey Reich wing lunatic, I sign my name to everything I write, whose the coward? Your threat scares me, do me a favor, use your computer talents to find me, (it’s not hard, a real man like you can do it), then come and put me anywhere you think you can. I’ll make it easy for you, Fort Lauderdale. Get on your computer and come scare me some more, please.
Ron Reale
realetybytes@yahoo.com
realetybytes.townhall.com

As a former democrat, let me say the best way to fight this is in the courts. This is unconstitional. But in the meantime, we need to keep demanding that our elected leaders listen to us. I sent in my form to change my registration from democrat to independent. I feel free and engerized! Also, we need a catchy phrase…like “stop the death-march!”, “code red: the color of blood and communism”, something like that…the left always have catchy slogans…make it a bumpersticker baby!

Of course, I meant, “who’s the coward”, Reich wing lunatic.
Ron Reale, waiting for you trembling, with fear.

Hitler had his Brownshirts, Obama has his Purpleshirts.

Obamas national socialist healthcare scam bill uses force against free people. Americans do not lay down for tyranny, they overthrow it.

Definition of hypocrits.

I heard people bringing Jesus into the debate, saying Jesus would give healthcare to all. This is coming from the same folks that freak out when Jesus’ name is mentioned any other time. I am surprised that you are not having prayer sessions to pray for universal healthcare. Oh, I better watch what I say…you’ll all be down on your knees praying to your messiah, obama.

May the REAL God help us!

Finally the Zionists are starting to do to America what they have been doing to 3rd world nations for decades. They used American guns before, but now they came for the real thing, to take over America completly as controlling its foreign policies is not enough any more. They want it all.

I think the health care plan is called “To Serve Man.”

Sen McCarthy was right in persuing communists in the 50’s. If he had been more successful we would not have a commie in the Whitehouse right now. We would not have commies like Bomber Bill Ayers and Omama’s pal Gates in Ivy League colleges like Harvard indoctrinating our youth in communism.

I am here legally, I work hard, I pay taxes, I do not want to pay for health insurance for those coming here illegally. I watched the doctor of obama on huckabee’s show last night. he said we should give healthcare to illegals. Unfortunately, we already do. But now under obama, we will give them even more, just so he can buy their votes. why we not shipping them all back to mexico? it makes no sense, yet makes complete sense. this is bad, bad administration. And I know bad governments…that is why I came here to get away from evil men.

I am a gay. I need a man’s love.

Lord Dreadmore said: “Obamas national socialist healthcare scam bill uses force against free people. Americans do not lay down for tyranny, they overthrow it.”

I say: Wrong. They will roll over for it and it will happen. They rolled over for the election of a commie didn’t they, in spite of all the info out there that he is and his friends are like Gates, Ayers, Davis, etc.
95% of Americans are totally naive about politics and are easy to fool any day of the week. The only thing they notice is the price of beer and gasoline and their electric bills.

I make snack chips for a living. I pride myself on making the best snack chips I can possibly make. And, I will stop at nothing, and I mean nothing, to make the perfect snack chip!

Due to the ongoing INVASION OF THIS NATION, the following AMERICAN CITIZENS, no longer require access to the Health Care System – http://www.voiac.org

More – http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

This “RATIONING OF CARE” has been going on for decades.

Besides, the hospital beds are needed for the dropping of “ANCHOR BABIES” in the USA.

Hey Ron don’t get to worked up over an ignorant troll like Reich wing lunatic. His ranting is grade school level at best, and I think I’m insulting grade school kids saying that.

Simple solution to prove whether democrats will put their money where their mouth is.

Get all Obama supporters to open free health care clinics, using your own money. Then you can show us all the stats and how well it worked out. Not a soul standing in your way.

joeindenver, shut the hell up, get off your fat arse and go join the volunteer health care movement.

You are all fools. It’s a lot easier to hate then to think critically. Rationing, euthanasia, death panels: LIES told by LIARS!!! Brown shirts, commies, marshal law: HATE spewed by IGNORANT RACISTS!!! Instead of turning on Rush or Fox so you can be told what to think why don’t do a little thinking and follow the money. Who benefits from keeping the status quo? The insurance companies, the drug companies, and the for-profit hospitals. Who gets screwed? YOU, the common, albeit uneducated, man. You, or someone you love, will get sick one day and will have an insurance company deny payments for your treatments, you or someone you love will see all of your life savings go down the drain as it is consumed by costly prescription drugs. That is what you are fighting for. Stop shouting and pointing fingers and you might learn something. I can never understand how so many can continue to vote against their own best interests. You are like hate machines that just need to be pointed in the right direction. No facts necessary.

“It’s time to throw these bums out. Start Obama and work your way down until Congress is cleaned out.”

AMEN to the above staement except for one thing: there is nothing we can do about obama right now – he has three more years and some change (no pun intended) before he’s done. these congressmen and women who are calling YOU thugs, unamerican and unpatriotic are ALL up for re-election in a little over a year. promise them one thing: that if they even THINK of voting for a socialist state, you WILL be voting them out in november of 2010 if not SOONER! get up and fight for your country, america!

Under free market healthcare a dead patient is lost profits. Under government run healthcare a dead patient is COST SAVINGS. Who would you trust with your life?

All of you are idiots. There are several health bills on the senate floor. None of them have been chosen yet. They are still working on the details. So, how can you rage and gripe about the very details of something that doesn’t even exist? My God, you guys make Americans look like ignorant angry rednecks.

Reading the comments on this page one would think that all America is is a group of partisan whiners complaining about

Chris N -
Why are we racists??? I voted for Obama. I am NOT a racist. This healthcare reform is a stink-from-high-heavens bill!!!

You sound like the idiot. They have never had a plan and they still don’t have a plan – the only thing we know is that they want to run and control healthcare. They hide their true intentions and maybe you are fine with the government running it all – because that’s what Obama and many of these socialist have been saying for years until now when its unpopular. So MAYBE ITS YOU that’s the idiot.

Not only is this mess of an Obama healthcare plan (or lack thereof) frightening, but what is truly more frightening is the view by politicians and government that concerned Americans are ‘troublemakers’. The only troublemaker is Obama, congress and that awful woMAN Pelosi. It is time to be scared, real scared of our government. This country is in real danger. This is what is called war on terror. Americas are terrified and righteously so. It is very sad.

Amendment to the plan? What a bald faced lie to this old gentleman and his son! I’ve seen in the bill where coverage would be denied to the handicapped! When someone read the passage to Democrat John Adler of NJ last night at a town hall meeting even HE didn’t know that passage was in there. He said he was shocked and would not be voting for Obamacare.

So there are reasonable Democrats out there (few and far between) but George Soros has kidnapped that party and it’s been destroyed by radical leftists like Obama, Pelosi and Reid.

What are you hypocrits whining about.

It’s time you face the truth. Seniors have a duty, as in generations past, to die and get out of the way.

Continually keeping them alive is a drain on resources that could be used to fight global warming. The oldest 1% of Americans who are kept alive on medications, oxygen tanks and pacemakers, cost our country the most.

This plan would help us regulate expenses that are currently out of control.

We spend trillions of dollars on people who are months away from death anyway – and for what? To watch them drewel on themselves?

Why not devote those resources to the children of undocumented workers who have their whole lives ahead of them?

Why not use that money to build green technologies so less people will die of cancer?

Stop thinking like individuals and learn you are part of society. You are a cog in the wheel of life, and when you break down, it is simply cheaper to remove the broken cog than to continuously repair it.

Thinking with emotion rather than logic is your downfall…. and as Obama said. Get out of the way so we can clean up your mess.

READ THE BILL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Open your eyes….stop playing politics.

Joe made it easy for you…turn to the pages he noted (or better yet, read the whole thing.)

We are all Americans and this bill is going to hurt all of us.

This isn’t a football game where you cheer for your side and boo the other. We need to fight back against the politicians TOGETHER. Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Independents, etc. All of us!!!

I’ve read the following defenses of this health care bill here:

1) You’re stupid;

2) You’re nuts;

3) You’re a racist.

In short, the supporters have nothing to say about the bill.

The funniest thing in all this is he outrage by Obama and his people who have made CAREERS out of organizing protests and race-baiting. Now we know that their years of protesting was really manufactured protest and they admit it. Obama was proud of ACORN and Organizing. But at these protest you see their people with professionally made signs LOL!! And the rest of us “un-American” protestors with our homemade office depot signs. Beyond belief.

“Bubba Diamonds said, ‘This is going to get out of control. This is going to get out of control and someone is going to get hurt.”

He’s right.

It’s also possible, if not probable, some people may be hurt mortally.

But if Obama and his National Socialist Party liars and thugocrats that they can intimidate Americans into silence, then he and his have a big surprise coming.

My guess is that they’re so arrogant that they believe they can intimidate and b***s*** their way through and out of this mess–and that the sheeple with fall in line.

We’ll see.

Actually, we’re already seeing: They’ve declared war against the American public.

Given that Obama and the Dems have said they will push back twice as hard as their being pushed, that means that those who’re pushing against them need to push even harder.

As Obama said during the campaign, Confront them and get in their face.

We’re just following his lead.

Ronald Parks! LMAOL!! You act like Our (actually YOUR) thug-in-Chief was there in the Senate fighting against government spending or anything. He did absolutely nothing. He even VOTED YES for the money that went to Palin’s bridge to nowhere. LOL What a fraud and ignoramous Obama is. The man is s FAILURE because he believes in a failed philosophy that puts the gov’t before people. He’s a socialist and he WILL FAIL! SOCIALISM and MARXISM are FAILURES! They can’t even afford TOILETPAPER in Cuba right now. LOL

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Listen, I sympathize with this guy but he needs to control himself. He actually has an important point – not the euthenasia silliness, but the needed provisions for handicapped citizens – that gets overlooked b/c of his hot-headedness and scattershot threats. This is not how you get taken seriously.

Welcome to the “New World Order of Obama and the Democrats! OBEY OR GET A VISIT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. Are you kidding me?!

All “Un-Americans” should be outraged at this accusation.

This guy Dingle looks like hes been in office 200 years. TIME FOR REAL CHANGE, VOTE THEIR A$$es out 2010, 2012!

To the thugs that threatened this man : I also have a son with C/P , I would like the same answers , would you like to come visit me in the middle of the night ? I’ll be right here.

I can’t wait until all you WHINERS get your wish and ALL government-aided health care is done away with! No medicare, medicaid or VA benefits. When you ridiculous yuppies are forced to pay out of pocket for your own aging parents’ healthcare — you’ll cry for relief. Especially if the Republicans and their insurance/phrama cronies get their way and start upping deductibles. Yeah, that health insurance you pay $200 a month for — how about a $25,000 deductible? Hey, doctors need to eat too! What’s that? You had the chicken pox in the fourth grade — I’m afraid we’ll have to deny your coverage thanks to your pre-existing condition. You uneducated philistines — who wouldn’t know Karl Marx from Harpo Marx — stay busy spreading lies about an absurd “death panel” and “socialism” (or is that fascism? Doesn’t matter, you don’t know the difference!) meanwhile the big business pharma and insurance companies (the REAL death panel) are licking their chops as this country sinks into their well-lined pockets. You get what you deserve!

Representative Dingell! How dare you! God bless Mr. Sola (I hope I spelled that right). And lord have mercy on our pretentious overlords; Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and now Representative Dingell. They know not what they do.

Hey, Snowcloud, justjoeindenver’s just baiting you.

Jesus a liberal? Jesus a conservative? Please.

Remember what the Apostle Paul said in his first letter to the church in Corinth? “But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.”

justjoeindenver is that natural man, who appears a fool, like those mentioned in Proverbs. As those proverbs say: Don’t waste your breath on fools, because they will reject the wisest advice.

You cannot change jjid Pray for him, though? Yes.

Remember, too: He and the world he reveres will always be offended by Christ and His cross.

Remember, too: He appears to invoke Jesus’ name when he want to make a point. But otherwise?

Don’t let this guy sucker you. Just let him continue his prattle, because he does not seek the wisdom of Christ. Pray for for jjid.

This jackass pushed his way through the line, in front of everyone who was waiting to get in and was completely arrogant. He had no intention of asking a question. He had, however, every intention of disrupting the meeting and getting publicity. Well he has publcity now…

This administration is very good at threats! Don’t look to the cable networks to tell you the truth, none of them will now.

http://homelandsecurityus.com/?p=2966

Here’s part of the health plan. We read it but those who will vote for can’t be bothered! PLEASE READ AT LEAST THIS MUCH OF IT! PRINT IT OUT AND TAKE IT TO A TOWN HALL MEETING! THEN YOU WILL KNOW MORE THAN THEY DO!
http://www.friktech.com/2009/born.pdf

DEADLY DOCTORS article
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deadly_doctors_180941.htm

One thing has become clear now. The so-called patriots such as Hannity, O’Reilly and Dobbs will protect their careers and wealth rather than tell the truth to America all the while acting like they are patriots defending those in our military giving their lives every day.

That kid probably gets medicaid!

Quoting the NY Post– laughable page 5 newspaper.

Ole Mike “don’t call me a thug” LOL…then quit calling everyone else a thug, fool!

I am so mad that my adult diaper is leaking.

IM tired of being nice to people that i know are democrats or liberals from now on i will treat them with as much disdain as they have for conservatives. If i know they are union i will ignore them if i know they voted for curious george i will treat them as though they crawled up from some hole because they basically did.teach your children the constitution and how to be tough, no soccer no bean bag crap. get them a gun as soon as they can handle one safely and teach them to kick ass even if it means suspension from school because they will still suspend them just because they were hit. no faggat movies or shows such as spongebob gay pants, no american idiot or vh1 or mtv.show them john wayne movies the history channel clint eastwood movies teach them hard work liberty and freedom and not dependance on government. when you see someone asking for a handout tell them to get a job or give them a resume never money. fight for your freedom or lose it!

Hey Scott, thanks. I’m not worked up at the troll, I’m sitting scared, waiting for his middle-of-the-night visit, to shut me up or put me in a camp.
Thanks for the thought!
:-)
Ron Reale
realetybytes@yahoo.com
realetybytes.townhall.com

2010 hope to god we get the right people in to put the brakes on these clown in office now.

Anybody who thinks insurance companies do not ration care is whacked. By delaying payments and recommending medications in lieu of those prescribed by the physician, profits are increased. Health care is not like owning a car. The bad feelings one may have when they cant afford a BMW or have to take a bus to work cannot be made equivalent to the pain of having a shattered bone or a slowly developing cancer.

God bless this man and his courage to question what is becomming more and more clear that this administration’s attempt to take over healthcare will go do down in flames, and hopefully so will those congressmen who supported it. Dingle should be ashamed of himeself and owes the American people an apology! Never in my life have I been so ahamed to be a Democrat! This administration has lost total touch with reality and must be stopped! Continue on this path and Revolution will be the answer. The truth always prevails. This is not the type of “CHANGE” I supported last election. Obama is mad and must be stopped. Time for a real “CHANGE”. Get rid of all the hungry power brokers. They’re time is up!

After reading the preceding comments I really only have two things to say. Either democrat/socialist/marxist libs are REAL STUPID or all the common sense has been drained from their bodies by vote buying vampiric politicians. HELLO, socialism ALWAYS FAILS!

Change We Can Bereave In!

Not God D*** America, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

You tell em Marytee. Union organizers at the meeting should have beaten him into submission along with his kid. How dare someone open their mouth when a superior is giving a speech.

Soon, the system will be in place and republican dissent will be squashed. This is their last hurrah.

Once Americans are dependant on progressive healthcare – their souls are ours. One false move and we pull their healthcare like a puppet string.

Their thermostats will be tied to cap and trade. Another string controlling the puppet.

Employment will be dependant on progressive ideals. If they don’t tow the line, they’ll be forced to scour garbage cans. Another string controlling them like puppets.

We’re almost there Marytee… Healthcare is the final string that allows us to lift the puppet from the table and control him as we wish.

Once false move, and into the fire the puppet goes.

Poor deluded Joeindenver. I see that you could not get a job with your economics degree and you still can’t get a job after being counseled out of the Army after you met your minimum ROTC obligations.

Boo hoo.

Life supported by your wife will only get better when Obamessiah supports you both, is that it?

People like you have no right to breathe the same air as people like me. I want nothing to do with you. I do not even want to look at you.

Once upon a time, you could be an idiot in Denver, smoking dope, hanging out, and it didn’t matter to anyone else. But now, thanks to the wonderful ability of Washington DC and Chicago Thugs to impose their uniform will on all America, now people like you are a big problem for people like me.

And I have a promise for you: There is a point, already visible ahead, at which it will make more sense to remove the Central Planners from this earth than it does to accommodate them or even tolerate their extortion rackets.

Fair warning. Cry havoc, Rocky mountain cry baby.

Ronald, I hear ya. We have the school systems, we have the supreme court, we have both houses of congress and the presidency, we even have most judges.

What repubs dont realize is that they are walking dead. They’ve already been bitten by the recluse and don’t realize it – and their foolishness of reality will be the poison that drops them dead on the ground as they wander in the desert of their apathy.

They had their chance – but most repubs stayed home, grumbling back and forth over McCain instead of going to the polls. That was their fatal error.

It’s too late repubs. This is your final yelp in the desert. The vultures will pick at your flesh as you bake in the sun.

Another thought for you so-called “conservatives” out there…it’s not like anyone of us “liberal” “nazi” “communists” have a problem with this crazy old man saying what he wants to say — it’s how he says it! If this lunatic can turn an orderly meeting into a three-ring circus, everyone loses. There can be no debate — which is apparently what you freaks want in the first place. How about some reasonable talk. If you’ve got a reasonable point, everyone will hear it and make up their own minds. Spreading outright lies and rumor intended to scare people is no way to conduct your business…

“Law Enforcement” enables this.

Dingle, Pelosi and Reid remind me of an old song….
Lying, Cheating, Hurting – That’s all you seem to do.

What a bunch of incompetent yahoo’s.

Also, way to go paying off the UAW to cover their health care and then getting them to go to the town halls. It sure looks like the auto workers will get to use the $1.2 million per saved job and for evidently other uses, rather than health care. When do I get my PAYOLA? Where can I sign up?

Also, great job on the deficit. Looks like it will SURPASS $1.8 TRILLION in 09. Bush’s deficit was $450 billion. In his first year Obama’s is 4 times the highest Bush deficit.

As my Brit friends would say – What a bunch of Wankers…

Fox has paid this father to lie. Fox and the right wingnuts, want a race war, anarchy and armageden.It is unamerican, Unpatriotic and illegal to incite violence against the president or any citizen. Fox and wingnuts have a vested interest in perpetuating hate, and racial disharmoney. Obama is not socialist and those who think he is has not come to terms with a Black man as president of the US. Heal your heart and mind love all humanity not just those who look like you. And Blks do not automaticaly hate whites..nonwhites do work and pay taxes and non whites love the US and are patriotic. Stop thinking FOX new is true news. This man was not given death threats.

I called Dingell’s Dearborn office to say what an embarrassment the Congressman was. The woman’s reply was they made extra room to accommodate him and his son.

I wonder if they are now going to have a beer with the president?

Dingell’s Office Numbers:

Dearborn:(313) 278-2936
Monroe: (734) 243-1849
Ypsilanti: (734) 481-1100

They will probably call you unAmerican and a thug though.

It’s time for the baby boomers (the real silent majority) to take to the streets again and take down the government and the government controlled media! Remember the 60’s and 70’s? We did it then and we can do it again. None of us hated our country back then but we did dispise our government. It’s so much worse now because they have used the media to spin a reality that does not exist! They liberal elites want us dead so there will be more for them… that’s a fact of life folks and you had better start seeing it for what it is. Do you think Chris Matthews, Pelosi, Reid, Dingle, Obama or his czars will cry if we are eliminated? We are just unAmerican astroturf (to be ran over?) that Matthews called racist, homophobe, bigots the other day. It’s time to stop them in their tracks NOW!

Dear Another Stupid Liberal,

Yes indeed, that is an apt name for you. “The Huddled Masses Yearning to Breathe Free[ly]” are an invention of a fellow traveller and did not disgrace the Statue of Liberty until the 20th C. In case you did not know this, America was not invented by my Pilgrim forefathers to give hand outs or jobs or even the time of day to you and your several billions of Homo nonsapiens. It was invented for me — the Posterity specified in the Constitution.

But, no one wanted to make a fuss until the situation became intolerable… just as it was in 1775 or so. Guess what? It’s intolerable. Again. It will be a distinct pleasure to cleanse my land of sloth and avarice once more, in the style of those that came before me. FYI, that does not include you Huddled Masses of Peasants and your grubby, begging hands and smelly food.

I wish people would understand the plan before making such outrageous criticisms.

If you like your health insurance, nothing will change.

If you’re afraid of bureaucrats determining what treatment you can get if there is a public plan, then you don’t have to take the public plan. But be aware that bureaucrats already determine the treatment you can get – it is just that it is insurance companies making the decisions based on their profits and bottom lines rather than a panel of experts making decisions based on the best available medical knowledge.

Right Erich, the day is coming soon brother. Such dissent will not be tolerated in the coming order of things.

Oppoisition who cannot sit and consume informative meetings such as this will be dragged away by their hair and reasoned with in private.

Now all you libs trolling on here, just remember the “Cyberbullying Prevention Act” ! If you offend me… you could face 5 years in prison and a big fine. So, watch what you say. I am watching you : )

Must read just out: UK healthcare

“Fury after hospital sends heart attack mum home to die”

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/08/03/exclusive-fury-after-hospital-sends-heart-attack-mum-home-to-die-86908-21567473/

In 2003, Hillary Clinton screeched “I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you’re not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration.”

Jeff, you’re right. They can keep their old plan. But it will cost them.

The morons will pay dearly for their precious freedom until they finally assimilate.

Oh, horrors! I’m just waiting for Sarah Palin to show up on the scene and act like a Voodoo Priestess, holding Trig high up in the air like some kind of bizarre Voodoo totem or fetish, while crowds of brainless Reich-wing nuts, gape and gawk in astounded silence.

Hush, the Priestess speaks!

Oh, horrors! I’m just waiting for Sarah Palin to show up on the scene and act like a Voodoo Priestess, holding Trig high up in the air like some kind of bizarre Voodoo totem or fetish, while crowds of brainless Reich-wing nuts, gape and gawk in astounded silence.

Hush, the Priestess speaks!

Just to set the record staight:

Enlisted in U.S. Army – served five years – DPG,Utah, Heidlberg & Afghanistan
No ROTC -hence the enlisted part. Grew up in a blue-collar family – stay at home mom, dad was an electrician – Union.
Not unemployed – happily and successfully self employed.
Two degrees – paid for by myself – paid off last student loan three years ago.
Three teenagers
And clearly not a communist, but also not a capitalist, as this theory has run it’s course – as all models eventually do.

I’ve answered every question asked of me honestly, openly and without spin – you have responded with name -calling, bold-faced lies and posting lies under my name.

I’m sorry that you are unhappy about the health care bill passing, and it will. I’m sorry that you are racist and using any excuse at all to cover your hated of our president, and I’m sorry that you will, eventually lose everything but your anger and your short-sightedness.

Oh, and to respond to another racist, no I’m not of Hispanic origin. I believe our ancestors were Dutch & English. I am an American, and I don’t work for any administration, belief system or agenda. I work only for me.

Why does the right have to work so hard to distract from the truth, and create absolute lies about those who oppose them? Perhaps because you can’t win on merit or principal?

I know that what I believe is right and for the greater good, and I don’t feel the need to justify my beliefs when there are for the greater common good. Those that do feel the need to defend their beliefs should really take a second or two to consider why that is, and why so many lies and exaggerations are required to do so.

These posts in no way, shape or form, will do anything to replace that which I believe in. Instead, careful study of the whole picture will. In short, if anyone here is swayed by any of the arguments offered, I suggest you do a little reseach on your own, away from the clamoring madness of rednecks, religious nuts and career corporatists.

How come people 65 and older are not entitled to the H1N1 flu shot??

I wonder how many of you out there have actually had any real world experience with insurance companies. I can tell you from personal experience that an insurance company renegged on my father’s life insurance due to a pre-existing condition. I was denied coverage after suffering a spell of angina that put me in the hospital overnight. I still owe about $10K for one night’s stay — and I had health insurance. If someone on this board is genuinely scared about what Obama might do (and please, I’m not even a big fan of the man — although if he does manage to pass comprehensive healthcare/insurance reform, he will be forever remembered as one of the greatest US presidents of all time), then I feel for you. But I believe most of the folks mouthing off here are just cynical me-firsters. “Hey, I got mine! Who cares about yours?!”

Tea party is having a rally in D.C. on 9/12/2009, let’s be heard in a voice so loud the media connot ignore. Stand now for our children,grand-
children and for those that cannot stand for themselves. If we the people don’t stop socialist freaks, we’ll be in a BLOODY revolution within a year.

Now, don’t offend me justjoeindenver …. or you other Libs out there. I am watching and taking names.

HR 1966 was introduced in April by US Representative Linda Sanchez (D-CA)

Trolling someone online? Bill would slap you with jail time

A new cyberbullying bill aims to punish those who intend to cause “emotional distress” online with fines, jail time, or both. The problem—as usual—is the vague language used in the bill, which leaves many critics concerned that it could be used to censor speech on the Internet.

The USA is finally getting its faux egalitarianism RAMMED up its behind, and rammed hard. There is considerable upside here… Not that republicans are any good, but GOD these Liberal Humanitarians are almost satanic. They are unspeakably awful. I can’t believe we have to pick between these two horrible gangs of frauds. Lovely democracy…

LOL – go ahead, Bo – do your worst. As I have no idea who you are, and as I am only posting my opinion and defending it, as such, I believe the 1st Amendment will offer me more protection than your boneheaded idiocy. Taking names? Come on by – I’ve got a couple for ya. So, hey – distress this, buddy – and censor what I’m doing right now….

Do some research on your own…the same thug mentality came out during the ’30s with Social Security and in the ’60s with Medicare — Ronald Reagan even made some commercials saying that Medicare would be downfall of America! How many senior citizens do you know out there who rely on these services? They aren’t perfect — but guess what? Nothing is! Why don’t you troublemakers — including Mr. Sola — try to offer a constructive solution instead of adding to the noise? It’s absolutely hilarious to read you guys try to mask your hate as Christianity…I’m sure Jesus is very proud of you.

Will the bill cover queefing products?

justjoeindenver;
I am Bo Bo Diddley the great overseer !
Now, just watch what you say on here. Be a good little boy. Or, you just might get a spanking and have to go to bed without your cookies….

Ha ha, Justjoe, I think Bo has a crush on you! What a hero you are, Bo Diddly! Just like a rethug to attempt to hide behind a law he claims to detest!

How do like Hopey Changey now !!

Obama has shown America that he is a prime example of the Peterson Principle. Being a community organizer does not qualify you to do much, let alone be President of the United States.

Erich S;
it’s Bo Bo Diddley to you.

If I’m reading my headlines right, isn’t it the conservatives who tend to be fond of spankings – generally with little boys… Funny how the church and the right always seem to have the same vices. I’ll take those cookies, though – but I am definitely NOT drinking your Kool-Aid.

T-baggers, Birthers and Town-hall Screamers, oh My!

Just follow the yellow road to the city of Odd.

Bo Bo Diddley…er sorry

Might be called the “Peterson” principle up there in syrupville, Eddie – It’s just the Peter Principle here. As long as we’re talking about presidential qualifications though – what were the last guy’s selling points again?

America…obviously the Democratzi have given marching orders to ACORN and other robots in their camp to troll the nets…especially those that are effective in rallying the forces against the Messiah…and degrade and demean what we say and how we say it!

Pay no mind to them…they are as useless to the Democratzi as they are to America…they are working with the Democratzi to destroy America from within.

We know who they are…we know they are new to the site…we recognize their propaganda and rhetoric!

So don’t let them intimidate you…that is the Chicago mafia style way and one that the White House uses against it’s own citizens.

We will not be deterred…we are committed to our goal to keep our country free…this will not become a dictatorship…we will remove the “wanna be” dictator legally before that happens.

The “original” birth certificate is getting more and more important as each day goes by. We need it, we need the passport, medical and college papers to reveal who this man is and when we find out who he is…his intent will also be revealed.

The other option is “impeachment” for turning against his own citizens and inciting them to insurrection against their government!

Anyway you look at it…Washington needs to be stopped…Bilderberg Bush-Obama and his Democratzi and Republican henchmen…and you know who you are!

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THE REVOLUTION OF THE SILENT MAJORITY – SILENT NO MORE!

1. GETTING INFORMED
2. GETTING INVOLVED

DON’T TREAD ON US…WE PAY YOUR BILLS IN WASHINGTON AND IN YOUR HOME WHERE YOU WILL BE GOING STARTING IN 2010…GUARANTEED!

NEWS FLASH !!!!!!
Obama taken to the Hospital with Diarrhea !
He thought he was melting….

so let me get this right. the man doesn’t wait for a question period. he interupts the Congressman during his opening statement by physically threatening the Congressman and then is shocked that he was ejected. keep it up fools the more you speak the more the 80% of Americans who think you are all nuts get their views confirmed.

Why is it that you assume that anyone with an opinion opposed to yours is a member of some kind of political activism group? I maintain no such affiliations, and my voter registration has me as “unaffiliated”. I just happen to know what I believe, as opposed to being told what to feel is right by some PAC. I only represent my own viewpoints and not those of any organized group. Does it frighten you that individuals can also hold these truths to be self-evident?

BECK< DOBBS< most Fox is made up news. WHy do you want race war, anarchy and armageden? We need to educate our minds and stop thinking war and revolution is the answer.Those who hate Obama just can not deal with a Blk president. so you have to find invented reasons to hate him and his ploicies. Most on this website would stand to gain a lot with obama’s policies but because it comes from a Blk man, you will not have it. You choose your race over sanity and what is economically advantageous to you.Rright wing nuts need to re educate yourselves. Heal your heart and mind. Right wingers are just being used to stop policies that the rich elite and greedy capitalist do not want.THey use lies to stoke up the flames. Elitist phrma and rich supremacisthe want to justify right wing hate for the Black president. This father has not been under threat by no one except his own mind.

God Bless you Mr. Sola

Moderator – can we please get rid of these racists posts that have nothing to offer – I’m sickened by Bo Bo Diddley’s retort and am personally offended.

I’m afraid the rethuglicans are getting a taste of their own medicine. THIS is what we had to put up with for the last eight years! The only difference is when we questioned what really went on with 9/11 or Iraq we were told — even by the Dems — to be quiet. This death pill stuff is manna for your party which just goes to show you how far things have fallen in your camp. Bye bye…and like I said, if comprehensive health/insurance reform goes through — Obama will be considered a hero just like FDR (who was hated so much by the corporatists in his day, they even organized a coup against him!)

astahl = Racist
justjoeindenver = Racist

I wonder how much the Republican party paid this guy. The propaganda never ends.

In what manner did espouse any opinions that might be considered racist? You also may want to be aware of my race before you continue down this path, my friend. You will be most embarrassed to learn the truth.

This country deserves this president. They deserve this because they have voted into office an abortionist. A president who deals with death more than life.

Obama’s motto: The Reaper is Cheaper.

If Obama has his way, what we’ll end up with is not universal health care, but “Universal Access to the Government-Controlled List for Health Care.”

Hey, Slice, and all you other Kool-Aide drinkers on this thread, drink this (the article that Mr.Sola held up at the townhall meeting):

“Deadly Doctors” by Betsy McCaughey

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deadly_doctors_180941.htm?page=0

Justjoe — let Bo Bo hang himself! The tone of his comments speak more than the actual content — which is pretty thin gruel by comparison.

I am still offended at someone calling me a racist. Particularly after this posting, which I also presume to be “Greg” – Moderator – perhaps some moderation is in order?

Bo Bo Diddley August 10th, 2009 – 9:23 pm

NEWS FLASH !!!!!!
Obama taken to the Hospital with Diarrhea !
He thought he was melting….

As a disabled vetran I can state with some athority that we already have a single payer system, it is called the VA system and anyone who thinks that a single payer system is the answer to the health care problem in this country only needs to ask one question “If this system is so good why don’t our esteamed elected repersentives and their families go to VA hospitals in their district for all their health care needs?” after all if this system is good enough for those who defend our freedoms shouldn’t it be good enough for those who repersent us in Congress.

Pelosi, Hoyer and Reid will be responsible if anything happens to this family from obama’s thugs.

The patriotic pride you inspire for using your own kid as an human prop, while screaming like a raving looney certainly does the Nitwits proud!

“Erich S August 10th, 2009 – 9:28 pm

I’m afraid the rethuglicans are getting a taste of their own medicine. THIS is what we had to put up with for the last eight years! The only difference is when we questioned what really went on with 9/11 or Iraq we were told — even by the Dems — to be quiet. This death pill stuff is manna for your party which just goes to show you how far things have fallen in your camp. Bye bye…and like I said, if comprehensive health/insurance reform goes through — Obama will be considered a hero just like FDR (who was hated so much by the corporatists in his day, they even organized a coup against him!)”

You are such a DRONE! We ALL know it’s ALL about Obama! He doesnt give a rats a-ss about the people of America It’s ALWAYS about that joker OBAMA and him building a monument to himself!

It’s hilarious how most of the so-called “lib commies” on this board actually offer reasonable discourse and all the Bo Bos can do is spew out gay jokes and racist bs!

The patriotic pride he inspires for using his own kid as an human prop, while screaming like a raving looney certainly does us all proud!

I cried while watching this video. My heart goes out to this man. It is an outrage what our country become. God help us.

We need to be civil and look at our selves and our hearts. Why do you hate OBAMA so???? It could only be be because of his color. Right wing nuts have been trained from childhood to trust lies and racial stereotyping to justify their own hate and insufficiencies.I am not ofended to be called racist because I am no white supremacist and see all of God’s creation as a part of me, equal to me, and worth while. Why don’t you find a friend who is not your own color or who does not have the same thinking as you. ask them why they have the point of view they have?Let us have civility instead of selling our souls to war mongers who want to divide and conquor the AMerican dream. Obama is not your enemy.Your hate and your need to justify your hate is your personal enemy.

Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Expression!

Bravo, Mr. Sola! You made him face the truth…and apparently he didn’t like it.

Erich S/Ronald Parks

Click-Click, Click-Click.
That’s the sound of me chambering a .308 rounf in my Remington SPS Varmint rifle.
My iron sights are looking for you and your ilk, when the revolution comes.
Govt trained SOF looking for fun.
Care to join me in a game of hide and seek?
For keeps….

under the liberal/democrat labels, i’d be labeled a Right-Wing Extremist, Redneck, Racist, Un-American, Gun touting, Bible pushing, Hypocrite, Homophobe, Sexist, fear mongering and a Ignorant person.

Pardon me with being acute in what I believe but calling a American individual such moronic stereotypes is counter productive and doesn’t paint a pretty picture about the ethics and morals of the said name caller. For one I like my beliefs to the point where I don’t have my self righteous head up my own backside.

I love my God, family, country, rights, and those who’ve fought for all of them. I love everybody equally, I give to my community, I love everybody no matter their mental capacity, race, religion, creeds, and anything else that defines a individual. I just believe that everybody is responsible for themselves and not the government.

I don’t fear anything, homosexuals have the right to everything any individual citizen has, I love the person, not the sin, nor will I support their sinful life style but will support everything else they do from education to self improvement. I think women have a equal role in both society and church. I believe in loving God with all my all my heart, mind, and soul. I also love my neighbor as myself, which extends to not doing anything in front of him that will cause himself to sin.

I’m not perfect but I strive to be the best in a Christian context.

astahl,

Is your last name Garofalo? If not you should be together !!!!

This man is a disrespectful lunatic. I am the father of a special needs child. I feel for his son, but this man is an anti-democratic thug.

The only reason I am teaching (other than I love it) is for the health insurance. If I can get it free from the government, I will quit teaching and be a stay at home mom(which I really love). So many people will do this. If people in this country aren’t freakin scared of Obama-their head is in the sand. He is a demi-god….exactly who our founding fathers were afraid of. What are we going to do if Congress goes against the majority of people and pass this bill?

Crazy,

What has become known as the Greatest Generation (those that suffered the most during the Great Depression and then went on to sacrifice so much for freedom during World War II) are now being knocked off at the very end of their lives by their kids and grandkids by this this Facist Neo-Nazi Obama and that giddy idiot Nancy Pelosi. These weaklings in Washington couldn’t run a toaster.

The problem is majority of people under 40 can’t either and don’t know what state they are in much less what the Constitution says (thanks a lot public schools). They probably think its some Hip Hop band.

Then there’s the Baby Boomers which are the most worthless group of people to come down the pike of history since the Soviets. Here’s a group of people that have always gotten everything and have contributed nothing to America.

What were people thinking when they voted for this Muslim halfbreed!! He’s not even a citizen of this country!!

The world economy is fine. Don’t question your elected officials and always believe corporations. Corporations are good and your personal rights in the workplace are bad. Only a free market can work. The government should only bail out Wall Street Corporations and should never give you the option for a cheaper health care that is not funded by these same corporations… that’s just crazy talk. The stock market will only go up. Your house can make you rich. Buy now and pay later. There are no conspiracies. Ignore the weather, global warming is a myth. Believe all experts since you are ignorant. Only troublemakers ask questions. Always side with the majority like the tea bagers because they are mad as hell and they are not going to take it anymore! Your local supermarket will always have plenty of food at good prices. Famine and epidemics are a thing of the past. It can’t happen here. Go back to sleep.

Freda,

We will have to live with it until:

A) People wake up;

B) The Republicans show some balls;

and C) 2010 and 2012

Just wondering where we’re going to get all the doctors to work for the government. I’m in Med School now….if this bill is passed, I’m outta here. I’m not not going to spend half of my life training to be a doc and end up as a government slug. I’m not going to work for some nitwit bureaucrat telling me how to, maybe, treat YOUR family member. You’re on your own, folks.

Let Barney Frank take your appendix out.

It’s time to IMPEACH Obama, Pelosi and Reid. Then jail George Soros and all organizations affiliated with MoveOn.Org, MediaMatters, All the white house organizations, ACORN, ACLU. Take out all the traitors of freedomt. They are only working against American citizens for their own gain. This health care bill they want to enforce on us includes Congress having full access to our bank accounts. You think there will be a run on the banks? I will taking my money out for sure it is passes.

I love how Obama and his thugs “automatically” think that you belong to some group or a hate club if you disagree with their beliefs. It seems that he’s a bit naive. He doesn’t believe people can think on their own, because if they do, they would believe in his legislation. It scares me to death for this country that Obama and his administration is so controlling. It seems to me that he does not want to listen to the opposition so he seeks to ignore it completely (or as in this case, try to scare it to death). He won’t even consider the opposing beliefs to his plan. All opposers are unAmerican, at least that’s what I get from him and Pelosi.

One more thing……

A reply to…asthal August 10th, 2009 – 8:48 pm

“Obama is not socialist and those who think he is has not come to terms with a Black man as president of the US.”

…..Once again, if someone disagrees with Obama, the race card is played again. So if I disagree with Obama getting a dog in the whitehouse, I automatically think having a black man in office is unacceptable? Where is the rationalization in that? How come I’m being told what I think and feel instead of me saying so myself? Remind you of something? It’s called socialism! I could care less what color his skin is. Stop feeding crap down my throat!

Wow. The organized and probably paid for mob of Obamabots have made it over the Brietbart, I see. Hilarious! And, yes that all have the same playbook. Well done Obamabots you are all good little “citizens.” *wink*

Playbook reminder: Words to use – Anti-American, racist, morons, Bush/Cheney, fascist, but what ever you do don’t and I repeat DON’T provide us with anything of substance that can be traced back and refuted!! NO FACTS!! All you good Obamabots will be remembered by your leader. Good little Obamabots.

What a rabid pack of conspiracy nut-jobs you are.

It is a Revolutionary Destiny that we will all unite and take back our country from the thugs that are employed by the Federal Reserves banking cartel and special foreign interest groups that are destroying our lives mentally, physically and financially.

Please people inform all the people you know about what’s going on with these puppet governments, For it is written “that when all the people from every nation learns the truth then these evil governments will come tumbling down and only then the countries will really be for the people and by the people”

FREEEEEDOOMMM!!!!!

What does he expect spewing his hatred for America. How dare he criticize the president, especially when we are at war. Doesn’t he know that hurts the troops and gives aid to our enemies. Why does the right hate America so much?

Why don’t these hippie protesters get a job and stop hating America. If they don’t like what the president is doing leave, and stop their terrible hatred for America. AMERICA, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

I think what bothered me the most about that video was how people were yelling and calling him an idiot and a dumb*** for asking a question, which he is allowed to do in our wonderful Republic. Ladies and gentlemen, Democrats and their followers are the ones who are unAmerican. Pelosi can say Republicans are until she is blue in the face, but videos like this are all over the internet showing just the opposite is true.

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OBAMA, THE GREAT DIVIDER
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Obama was sold as the great UNITER but his pushing his ideology is creating the worse division in this nation in decades.

Democrat Representatives are demonizing the citizens they are supposed to represent.

Now Obama (and his Chicago gansta Rahm) is distancing himself for the very ideology he has espoused.

If you want to know the healthcare bill, ready the summary from the legal firm who actually read the whole thing:

http://www.lc.org/media/9980/attachments/healthcare_overview_obama_072909.pdf

LiberalPaul: Kiss my ass.

The father of the man with cerebal palsy wanted to get a question in and Obama’s SEIU/ACORN thugs were trying to drown him out.

The man has reason to be concerned. The Nazi Ezekiel Emanual, brother of Nazi Rahm Emanuel, has written extensively about how it is good for the collective that resources be withheld from those who cannot contribute to society – babies, the handicapped, the old.

The German people never foresaw wait awaited them and the world with Adolf Hitler. This time around Emanual is warning us with his own words.

In response to Go Backtosleep:

I want to congraulate you on the best post I have EVER read. Why? B/C 1/2 of it I loved and 1/2 of it really p$#@ me off. Bravo!

Your government has been nothing but trickery ans deceit from the very birth of it.

If you doubt this, ask a Native American Indian.

To Freedommmmmm;

Evil wins every time. They will find a way to come back even if they are defeated. They never give up, and they will always try to dominate and enslave mankind.

Obama’s thugs are going to raise the ghost of Tim McVeigh. There is only so much Americans will put up with.

TERM LIMITS for all Senators and House members. These Career Politicians are completely out of touch with the Average American and no longer represent us. Their own self interests dictate policy.

Wow – once again, the libs posting are totally ignoring the reality that it is the administration that is coordinating groups to protest the protesters, not the “right wing.” Elderly, everyday people who have never protested before in their lives are being called “anti-democratic” thugs. Bull.

I’ve lived long enough to say that I’ve never seen anything like the openly strong-armed, anti-American tactics being used by our own government leaders. Anyone on the left who protested against, say, Bush’s attempt to reform Social Security (which is still going broke, by the way), should be defending these people for exercising their rights, not calling them names.

Every day since Obama went to Europe in the summer of 2008, I have been stunned by his increasing willingness to love on our enemies and hate on our people. When has he ever called this a great country with an amazing history? When has he said he loves this country? When has he ever commended those who have worked hard, taken risks, created jobs and contributed to the prosperity of our nation? Or those who have sacrificed over the years with their youth and their blood to preserve our freedom? Whenever he tries, he looks and sounds as if he doesn’t believe his own words.

He doesn’t love the country, he does not love US, and he does not appreciate anything that happened before January 20, 2009. Only someone who despises this country would run his campaign entirely on “change,” and then ignore the very people – the elderly, the average, the job creators I described above – who dare to question him. He only loves himself.

You have effectively accomplished something that the GOP of late has been unable to accomplish.

Your policy directives have united reasonable Americans in much the same way that community organizers have done in the past two election cycles.

You have built our resistance force to degree’s that we could only have hoped for. You have united grass roots Americans that cross paths with such voting blocks as class wealth, race, gender, the handicapped, independents, moderates, fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, libertarians, anti-war protestors, health care workers, and FORMER AARP members.

Just wondering Mr. President; how much voltage have you experienced when you were tazed by that third rail?

Again, I appreciate all you have done for our movement.

Sincerely,

A member of the resistance party

All countries come to an end sometime as history has proven. The democrats are loving it and cant wait for that day to come sooner. They have sold their soul to evil and will eventually will pay the price for it (in one way or the other). They are so evil they dont even care what the consequences of their actions are.

I must say, for being as nervous as he obviously was, this guy did a pretty good job of explaining himself and what he was all about on national TV. I wish there were more like him. As a citizen with elderly and handicapped relatives myself, I certainly don’t trust this government to do any better (much worse, actually) than what’s currently there. They can’t even balance the budget. Who would ever privately hire someone like that…let alone to make life-or-death decisions FOR me, regarding my loved ones?

We need a one term limit on the president and 2 term limit on senators 3 terms on house of congress.
This is why Thugbama cut off money to Nicarauga because he wants them to put in a dictator that will kiss his ring.

This is Fox News. Fox News has an agenda and it is to prop up the Party of No which is now grasping at any or all straws to survive. It can’t be reasoned with, it can’t be bargained with, and it can never be trusted.
The Astroturfers and Birthers are mercenaries pure and simple. One group of corporate slaves supports the insurance and pharmaceutical companies that are directly responsible for 18,000 deaths and one million bankruptcies a year. The other group are just racists afraid of the smiling black man in the White House and too afraid to wear their KKK robes in public.

The democrats have accused republicans of going to these meetings and intentionally disrupting things. Is there any proof? Even if this were true, how different is that from stacking town hall meetings during the election with supporters who shout down anyone who dared question the Messiah?
How about Obama supporting union goons beating up that black man in Detroit for daring to ask tough questions about health care.
You should be ashamed of yourselves.

anticommie:

Great post. Obama is a uniter afterall. He has united millions of Americans against him and his policies and those Demonrats in Washington.

I am livid with Anger. I am Autistic. That means I have Aspergers. I am married and raising two young women with Aspergers. My prayers are with this brave man, and his son.

And for the record sir, if you did not SHOUT; DINGEL would not have heard you.

And according to HR 3200 and the SENATE ALTERNATIVE people with SPECIAL NEEDS will NOT be covered. In five years I and my two daughters will have no insurance at all. We will have to pay a yearly fine of $2,500 PER PERSON. That means in accordance with HR 3200, my family will have to pay $7,500 YEARLY; all for medical care that I and my daughters are deemed UNWORTHY to recieve!

And don’t even get me started on the ‘age’ limits for people to recieve MEDICAL CARE, instead of MANDETORY END OF LIFE COUNSELLING!

I got news for you coelacanth1938,

Those that were wearing the pointy headed robes were those union thugs sent to St. Louis to hurl racial and deragatory statements at a black man before beating him. This was done at the behest of your marxist leader from Chicago.

Bottom line is, you people are irrelevant in this or any other discussion!

New day and new majority about to commence!

“A government big enough to give you anything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.”

–Thomas Jefferson

“The insurance industry has not paid for my anger…but someone will in 2010.”

Truer words are rarely spoken! Listen up congress!

coelacanth1938:

Can you come up with one more trite bumpersticker phrase? Whenever a liberal is losing the argument, the namecalling begins.

Like the man said, “we get the govt we deserve”.

Well we got it, in spades.

Vote all 535 out, plus 1 in the Whitehouse.

We need to do a very –cold boot.

I have to say, that I am hurt and saddened to live in a country where the foundation of freedom of speech is taken away slowly, day by day. While I do not agree with the extreme reactions of either party, I think that we all can agree that the healthcare system does need an overhaul. What I don’t understand is how creating a government run plan will take care of those issues, or trying to cram it through legislation without congress or senate members reading the entire thing can be good for any of us.
What I do not like is having a policy forced on me.
It makes me sad that we can argue, and call people names but we are not really solving the problem. Isn’t the problem affordable healthcare and lack of portability? If you have had healthcare before, and you do not let your policy lapse between jobs, you still can get healthcare-it is the cost that needs to be fixed. What also is lacking is the ability to keep that same insurance after you leave your job or in this economy, downsized.
I truly hope that there is more discussion and less accusations, from both sides, so that the true issues can be addressed and a more constructive solution reached.

So, Z. Tell me what you have read that’s 1000 pages long – and understood.

abomination must come, and has. now for its destruction.

Keith, MD August 10th, 2009 – 6:31 pm
All we need is 30 Special Op’s to show up before 2010, or 3 million taxpayers to
show up at the polls in 2010. First option, we get rid of 30 socialist dems, 2nd
option, we get rid of 45 of them without bloodshed.

Regardless, the revolution has started. Constitution loving Americans can
either show up and affect change the democratic way, or we can do it with a
revolutionary bloodfest. Register to vote, vote conservative, or stockpile arms
because that is what it is coming to if we don’t reverse this now.

Pelosi is first…… DO NOT TAKE OUT OBAMA!!!!!!! Let him live. A martyr he
will not become.
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Keith,

I’ve taken the liberty of reporting your threat to the Secret Service at their Baltimore field office (443-263-1000), since you are apparently a Maryland resident. I hope every responsible and patriotic American of either party (or no party) will take similar action should they come across other threats of this sort from traitors to our country. I hope you have a most eventful week, Keith, perhaps including fun activities such as this: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009/01/obama_assassination_attempt_ar.html

The list of Secret Service field offices can be found at http://www.secretservice.gov/field_offices.shtml.

P.S. Special Ops shouldn’t ever be mentioned by pathetic Dale Gribble loser types such as yourself. You have NO KNOWLEDGE of what you speak, you craven maggot.

Where is the truth -

I appreciate your civility, and I applaud you for it.

Keep in mind the GOP does have answers for the Health care issue.

Sadly America made the mistake of putting one party control in command, thus they have the bully pulpit.

Reasonable amendments have been offered by the GOP but the party of dictators have rejected every one of them.

Pelosi and company gets to define who is unAmerican and who is patriotic? I DEMAND to differ! Our Constitution and Bill of Rights precedes and supersedes any of their weak-minded usurpations. Patriots will enforce those definitions!

2010 / 2012 VOTE AMERICAN

PELOSI AND REID are PUBLIC ENEMY #1 & #2

Democrats are the problem

What happened to civility? These right wing folks ARE unamerican. This guy is an attention hungry jerk, using his poor son. I doubt any comments about this guy were directed at his son. What a loser. Mob mentality will bring this country down. Republicans ruined the last century, now they won’t let this one go by without ruining it (some more)

We CAN do something about it. Check out http://www.goooh.com and see what you think. A common sense methodology to replace all 435 Representatives in 2010. Let’s return the House to WE THE PEOPLE.

Its damn near time to start voting from the rooftops and when the thing starts Im going to go full bore.

This is not about left or right, republican or democrat. No one else will say it so I will. This is racial. Any time your leaders are black, be it city council, state government or now federal, you get thugs and crime in your government. This is a radical black pushing his racist agenda.

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JimmyBoom August 10th, 2009 – 11:32 pm
What happened to civility? These right wing folks ARE unamerican. This guy is an attention hungry jerk, using his poor son. I doubt any comments about this guy were directed at his son. What a loser. Mob mentality will bring this country down. Republicans ruined the last century, now they won’t let this one go by without ruining it (some more)
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Now I recall why we should never release you terrorists from Gitmo!

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