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very cool… and of course its raining, hmmmmm

Fact: Wooden ships cannot be built longer than 250 feet or wider than 50 feet without a steel infrastructure. The pressure of the first wave will buckle the ship causing catastrophic damage. Using the smallest measurement of a cubit, the ark would far exceed these dimensions.

Fact: Creationists claim Noah only had to collect 10k animals to satisfy the gene pool of today. No Evolutionary proof can be found of such insanely rapid changes in animals in the past 4k years.

Fact: Using the largest measurements for a cubit you would need a ship at least three times the size of the ark to hold enough food and drinking water for Noah and the animals for 150 days.

Fact: Assuming creationists are right and there were only 10k animals on board, AND Noah and his family worked 24/7 for 150 days, each person would have about 1.5 minutes per animal, per day, to feed them all, and dispose of waste. Now that’s power walking!

Fact: There was a single window in the ark, one cubit square. Carbon monoxide poisoning (and death) would occur far before 150 days were up.

Fact: If you were to melt ALL of the worlds ice, your would raise sea levels no more than 250 feet. There is not enough water to flood the world. Water can enter the world via ice in asteroids but it cannot reach the speeds needed to leave the world. We have more water today than we did 4k years ago.

Study your mythology and you will see your scripture simply cannot be literal. If you need a book to have morals, fine, follow its’ examples, but don’t mock reality while you do so.

Hey!! That is just what the Republicans need!!

The few right wingers and neocons left could get on this thing along with their guns and ammo and wait the Obama administration out at sea for the next 2797 days. You could even get the far looney tune Christians to go along too!

Given Don’s comments above regarding what a great ship it would be, my idea here sounds even better!! :D

What bible did he use and how does anyone know exactly what measurement was used?

How many animals were in that area at the time, 10K or a lot less? Was the entire planet flooded just like todays floods, WOW?

How would someone know there was only one window? What about vents or even a stack on the vessel?

I’d say Don hasn’t got both oars in the water and the (L)Arsehole is dry docked…. Putz…. hahaha!!

don, you must be awesome at parties!! no, i am kidding!!! you need to move out of your parents basement and see what’s out there in the real world.

Absolutely amazing! How come Hong Kong always gets the cool stuff?

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laffing at leftists… I’ll answer your questions.

First, its the first book of the bible… obviously you never opened it.

Let me type what my bible reads in chapter 6 of the book Genesis(first book in the bible, again)

*cough* Make yourself an ark of gopherwood, put various compartments in it, and cover it inside and out with pitch. This is how you shall build it: the length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, its width fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. Make an opening for daylight in the ark and finish the ark a cubit above it.(sounds like one window).

I’m not going to type the rest of the chapter… cause instead of acting stupid with no oars in the water, arsehole putz. I think I will ask you to actually go and either buy a copy or go to your library(which they probably miss you) and pick up a bible and read chapter 6 in Genesis. Maybe you’ll wanna take all that back.

BTW its pretty liberal of you to just assume you know better than DON, how about actually trying to prove something instead of acting the way you do. Thats why GOD called down a flood, cause people take it upon themselves to make what they believe the truth.

Which btw your dead wrong.

[...] replica (Noah’s Ark, Noah’s Ark, again)… here’s another one. The fact that it was raining in the video was appropriate to me. A giant replica of Noah’s Ark opened to the public on Monday in Hong Kong. [...]

Not too shabby for a guy who lived to be 950 years old! Yep. That totally happened. Golly, the Bible is my favorite historical textbook!

… yeah … too bad it never existed

Cubit = 18 inches… Mine is 19.1 inches…

300 cubits long is 450 feet. 50 cubits wide is 75 feet. 30 cubits high is 45 feet.

That IS the word of God! You will burn in Hell if you disagree!! >:|

But don’t worry, you is gonna be frying anyway!!

Hahahahahhahahahhahahaaa!!

Laughing at Leftists,

“What bible did he use and how does anyone know exactly what measurement was used?”

A cubit is as few as 14 inches and as many as 27. In each example I used the extreme of those ranges to benefit Xians, not myself.

“How many animals were in that area at the time, 10K or a lot less?”

There were far far more than 10k. Creationist claim there was some type of super evolution that only began after the flood, and miraculously ended shortly after in an attempt to prove the possibility of the parable being true. Again I gave you the benefit of the doubt while still proving it was impossible.

“Was the entire planet flooded just like todays floods, WOW?”

The flood is claimed to have covered every mountain. I don’t care what “type” of flood it was, there isn’t enough water to accomplish such a feat.

“How would someone know there was only one window? What about vents or even a stack on the vessel?”

Jon covered this. If the bible is literal there was only one. No vents or other means of air circulation.

“I’d say Don hasn’t got both oars in the water and the (L)Arsehole is dry docked…. Putz…. hahaha!!”

I’d say you resort to mocking when you can’t respond with an argument that defends your position. Typical.

I’m just going to say that arguing the verifiability of the physical aspects of the Ark is completely pointless as long as we differ on basic assumptions.
I assume that an all-powerful God is the one that caused the flood, and you do not.
Sure, the Bible is literal, but at the same time it is not precise. No theologian or Biblical scholar worth his salt will EVER claim that the Bible includes every detail of every situation. The book itself was not originally book, it was written down from oral tradition.
So, if the Bible does not literally say “there were 27 other windows besides this one to prevent carbon monoxide poisoning from excess waste,” I’m not really going to care.
Either way, based on my assumption that an all powerful God created a flood that covered the top of every mountain on earth, and then drained it, I’m also going to assume that he can hold together a boat under water pressure, store innumerable animals on said boat, and keep them all from dying of starvation or carbon monoxide poisoning.
Based on the fact that the account of the flood in the Bible is an oral tradition, meaning it was told in STORY form, even though it was considered true by those hearing it, it would have been pointless to include innumerable details like that in an oral story. Or at the very least it would be bad storytelling.
So, arguing against people with different fundamental assumptions is pointless.
You merely set yourself up as a pompous braggart who takes pleasure in making other people feel stupid. Bravo.
Also, congratulations on your trivial knowledge of boats.

By the way, I’m not too sure that many creationists believe in hyper evolution after the fall.
There is a bit of a disagreement over the issue of creationist evolution, but it’s typically only very eccentric Christians that believe in it at all, much less any kind of specifically post-flood evolution.

Noah’s ark stands for “love, pease, and family together”. How utterly charming!

Also, of course, it stands for the genocide of everybody else, including babes in arms and those yet unborn, whose mothers allegedly drowned – presumably in great distress. One can only imagine what thair last, gasping moments would have been like if this actually had happened, as they flailed with their final energy in one last desperate attempt to save their unborn baby from its fate.

Yup, Yahweh loves us all.. and his peaceful way of showing that love is so heartwarming. Just what family need, IMO.

Jim,

I thank you for not resorting to mocking in your argument.

Unless God were devious he would not cover up scientific proof of the flood. The entire world would have a layer of sediment of the same age that people could point to and say, “there’s the flood, there’s the proof.”. It would lay to rest carbon dating, and give people something concrete. Do you honestly believe God is purely testing peoples faith by not allowing such a thing?

I will concede my statement of the window on the ark. I would assume anyone of basic intellect to notice it was getting hard to breathe, and chop a few holes to let air in, especially after the first 40 days.

There are very few sections of the Bible that can be studied in a scientific way. The ark is an exception as it gives clear mathematical dimensions. Arguing that magic held the boat together, added and removed unimaginable amounts of water, temporarily shrunk the animals down to the size of rabbits, and put them into hibernation so they wouldn’t require food or such arguments are just plain silly. You’re clearly intelligent, don’t stoop to such blanket statements.

The hyper evolution theory is getting pretty popular thanks to the Creation Museum, you should see the lines at that place! It’s actually where I learned of that theory, although it’s a bit tough to stomach with their additional displays of children frolicking with the dinosaurs (apparently they were all herbivores prior to the flood). I’m actually happy to see Xians finally begin to accept a form of evolution as something other than blasphemy.

I agree that a literal Bible would not need to be precise on listing every detail; however, if it is literal, what is written would indeed have to be precise. If Xians were to simply admit the old testament is nothing more than oral tradition, and therefor fallible instead of the literal word of God, their mythology would be much more believable.

The only reason I’ve studied boat limitations is because of Genesis. I read the Bible and researched parts that interested me. I’m not looking to make others feel stupid, I’m simply looking at things in a scientific way and sharing my opinion on those results. If that makes me a braggart then so be it. Personally I would appreciate someone showing me blatant inconsistencies in something I believed was absolutely true.

I wish the Don’s outnumbered the Jim’s in this world, but sadly that isn’t the case.

Don, I must say it’s refreshing to talk to someone who doesn’t simply spout that Christians are ignorant morons. Respectful disagreement is quite welcome.

I don’t necessarily think that God is testing faith by covering up evidence of his work in the world. Admittedly, science cannot definitely prove or disprove the existence of an absolute being who is greater than the cosmos, because science is a thing of the cosmos. My only argument (mostly due to lack of specific knowledge) is that there is evidence in the sediment layers both for and against the idea of a worldwide flood. I’ve heard too many differing opinions to be able to state fact on the matter. I do know, however, that a large number of myths and legends which have older origins than most modern religions claim some sort of flood story. Ancient religions often were formed based on pantheistic and naturalistic beliefs that nature itself is a force, so having multiple mythologies claiming divine flood indicates that there was a natural, historical event which occurred. See Greek, Roman, or Welsh mythologies, even the story of Gilgamesh.

As for ideas as to how exactly God could have provided the needs on a boat that size, I’ll just speculate. In the case of water, you must remember that it rained for 40 days and nights. If there were buckets on the boat, they could easily have stored water. Food could be available, because the boat itself may have turned into some kind of self-sustaining ecosystem. I don’t think God is the type to magically make animals and people unhungry.

It’s interesting that people are lining up for that museum. I’d assume a lot of the visitors are non-Christian, though. There are people who really do well-intended work to reconcile differences between Christianity and evolution, but it just cannot sit right with me. Post-flood hyper evolution does sound ridiculous, just as you have described it, because of the sheer diversity and multiplicity of animals in the world today. Evolution during the seven days of creation is explained by saying that each day of creation was not a literal day, but instead a number of years, since God himself is outside of time. This, to me, seems inconsistent, because it implies that there was death before sin. A perfect God would not create a world with death in its very function. I won’t go labeling Christian evolutionists as blasphemers, but I do often debate with them.

I certainly believe that the Bible is infallible. The New Testament clearly states “All scripture is God-breathed.” Since a perfect God would have to be truthful, precision is very important. Being precise is not necessarily being exhaustive, though. The purpose of the book of Genesis was not to be a historical account of the beginning of the world, but a record of the purpose of the Hebrew nation. The story then would have been told as an account of the relationship between God and mankind, a drama to say the least.

Taking that into account, it is very possible for it to be both the literal word of God and scientifically vague.

:) i’ll be visiting this ark in the summer. ma wan is the island where this ark sits, it has many new housing development in recent years, a popular newly-wed first home choice location, and nice place for dating. now even more perfect for it, i suppose.

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