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Wonder if the ‘one’ would change his vote had the baby that survived been one of his daugters? This candidate is so out of touch with the vast majority of Americans whether pro-choice or pro-life it is frightening. He will not win no matter what the bias media thinks or says. When will the media let the ‘one’ carry his own water? They know he can’t and that is why they continue to prop him up regardless of how inept he is.

And McCain will stop a total of ZERO abortions if elected. Thats why I am voting for a third party.

If OsamaBama was still in the womb he would be pro-life, I bet.

Please Liberals, start your own county and leave us the rest of us the h**l alone. But I guess you need our tax money to give to people who don’t work for a living.

Um, whether she lived or died has no impact on me whatsoever. How, in a country with capital punishment, can you make the argument “I’m alive, therefore everyone has a right to life”? We’re all alive, imbecile, or we wouldn’t be listening to your whining.

Oh, and Lawrence Talbot, you may not have noticed, but the “liberal” states represent the strongest economy in the world. Who exactly do you think pays to turn your mobile homes back on end after the hurricanes?

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Lawrence-

If you really want to do something about government waste, why don’t you ask McCain to stop taking that 100 percent Disability payment a year? That’s $58,000 a year tax free.

How can someone 100% disabled be President? Will he continue to collect the $58,000/year if elected?
This sounds like FRAUD.

Moderate, you can’t make a distinction between the murder of innocent babies, and the punishment of murderers and rapists?

You may think you have a moral compass, but sadly, it’s needle is always spinning and never points true North.

Banning abortion would simply result in a black market performing unsafe procedures in back alleys. This is a moral issue and not something for the government to decide. While I may be against abortion, I (or anyone) have no right to tell someone else they can’t make that decision.

Neither of our choices this election are worth your vote. Consider Ron Paul or another third party candidate. Far-left is as bad as far-right.

This is not about abortion it is about providing life saving care for a baby that has been BORN ALIVE after a failed abortion.
If you want to talk about abortion let’s talk about “partial birth” abortion where the baby is full term or near to and has it’s brain sucked out-Obama vote againgt to bill to stop this as well.
I don’t like abortion but I and most people can see the need for some, but not as a life style choice.

I think that ‘NONSEQUITUR’ above said it better than I and I totally agree.

Abortion is murder, plain and simple. Those pro killing babies, normally use the argument that life doesn’t begin until birth.

If there was no abortion would there be a child born? In most cases YES. Once the egg is fertilized and attaches to the wall of the uterus it is a life form that will replicate itself. The baby at that point has all characteristics of life.

Here is one of varied lists of what we define as life:
Response
Growth/Development
Reproduction
Energy/Metabolism
Evolution
One or more cells
Universal Genetic Code
Homeostasis

So by aborting that life form you are killing it and any choice it may have had. If you can argue even ONE of these characteristics as not existing you may have merit in your argument.

amusing how all these pro abortion people like to compare it to the death penalty. you want to kill innocents and let murderers live? wtf??
this woman is not about abortion but the rights of babies that SURVIVE abortions…huge difference, but obviously some people just don’t want to acknowledge it for fear it might interfere with their obsession with the libs biggest issue.

Liberal women are not smart enough to “choose” what to do with their bodies, so they shpould forfeit the “choice”. Hooking up with your neighborhood crackhead or other welfare collector is not a good choice.

Funny how those for abortion some how are alive to argue for it. I guess the aborted babies don’t have a say… Oh that’s right, THEY’RE DEAD.

It’s not and Appendix getting removed…It’s a life.

This woman is a complete liar. The allegations before the Illinois Senate that made up the so called ‘Born Alive’ bill were investigated and found to be false by the Republican Attorney General of Illinois at that time. In addition, it is a crime, called murder by gross indifference, in Illinois to permit an aborted fetus that shows any signs of life to expire.

If you believe this video, you are a fool and are part of the problem with politics in this country. That McCain needs such liars to promote his campaign is the ultimate sign of both political and moral weakness. It’s a shame that this woman, granted a life, would put it to such poor use.

Someone said, “this woman is not about abortion but the rights of babies that SURVIVE abortions…”

THIS WOMAN *survived* an abortion (or was a FAILED ABORTION). That means HER MOTHER DID NOT WANT HER.
Stop saying it has nothing to do with abortion.
It has EVERYTHING to do with abortion.

If a woman decides to abort and for some reason the fetus survives, it is apparently UP TO THE STATE to figure out what to do with it. The woman already made her choice. The STATE apparently has (or thinks it has) the right to override her choice.

Stop saying it has nothing to do with abortion.

The REAL PROBLEM is late-term abortions. If this woman’s mother had aborted sooner, this woman would not exist and we wouldn’t be arguing about it. Period.

A consortium of Christian Ministers in Mokena Illinois where this organization is based has requested that BornAlive.Org remove this video from youtube and issue a statement that the statements by this woman are untrue. The former Governor of Illinois, Jim Edgar, a Republican and a devout Christian has called this organization ’sick’ and is promoting a ‘complete falsehood.’ Apparently Brietbart has gone to broadcasting just complete lies to promote his cause. How despicable.

I pray for all you you out there the STILL believe it is a choice for women to decide about taking the life of a baby. Infact I find it so unwomanly to even consider thinking it’s ok. We have been givin the most beautiful opportunity to be the chosen one to have a baby. Abortion is killing no matter what. This woman has written a book about her life and perhaps those of you who need to know more about her, read her book. If you have ANY compassion then you will cry to tears of a million. Perhaps it will be the tool to change your prochoice stance. I know others that have. God Bless all babies.

The legalization of abortion has allowed women to have control over their own bodies. This means that we can chose to have a child or not to have a child. Every child should be a wanted child. If you take away the right to have an abortion you have taken away the right of women to make that choice. That is a basic human right; the right to have control over our own bodies. We are not just vessels to hold men’s sperm and an incubator for babies. Taking away the right for women to chose whether to have a child or not is a giant step backwards for everyone; especially for children. Every child has the right to be a wanted child. That is our birthright!

…. I’d like to see the goernment quit handing out checks to females , who get prego .
…. and drug test anyone on welfare .

You people who ask why McCain should be president even though he is disbaled…

I seem to remember one Disabled president that helped our country our of an economic down slide and saw us through war sucessfully.

Roosevelt and McCain have more in common that you people realise.

God Bless

McCain/ PALIN 08′

Black is White and White is Black…

The Irony is that the liberals of this world are so pro-abortion or pro-choice yet are so quick to condemn capital punishment or even our soldiers on the field labeling them as murderers…such hypocrisy is the generation that wants to control our lives…while yes the religious right are riddled with just as much hypocrisy people need to see the kooks for who they are…

Ouch Moderate!

What stinging evidence of your elitist attitude!
“Liberal states represent the strongest economy in the world”

Bwahahahaha!

Typical liberal.
You can’t defend killing babies. Especially the ones that are late term, or survive outside the womb.
You just can’t.
It’s beastly. Defenders of it are beastly, as much as thy wish to be smarty pants’.
For all the supposed education and sophistication upon which the left prides itself and stakes claim, killing babies out of convenience and a a birth control method is not what sophisticated higher life forms do.

It’s what hamsters do.

Esquared,

abortion is murder period, just as killing a man on the battlefield is murder, you can’t have it both ways and be innocent about it…while our brave soldiers have to deal with it, i’m sure they realize the weight that they carry by taking a life and deal with it on a day to day basis. The female of our species was given the gift of the only known “Miracle of life and reproduction” as we know it on this planet so bear in mind that they are shunning that gift regardless or the reasons, and have to live with that decision for the rest of their lives…

Whoopi To McCain: Are You Bringing Slavery Back – Roe v. Wade

http://www.judiciaryreport.com/whoopi_to_mccain_are_you_bringing_slavery_back.htm

Moderate,

while yes you are probably correct in the fact that the blue states have the largest economies you conveniently forget to mention that they also have the largest defecits and the highest crime rates along with a miriad of other problems that come with wealth and seperation thereof, i.e. some of the poorest neighborhoods, so while you can sit in your tower and claim the bigger economies, you also like to now put out ads that Bush is the problem with all of the worlds ills, and yet at the state level you are doing the very same thing that the federal government is doing…once again, your HYPOCRISY knows no limits…

If you can decide that a viable baby from a botched abortion can be killed why not give the mother a month to see if see truly wants it and if not just let it die by neglect?

Here’s the liberal existential argument.

Life began when chemicals correctly organized themselves out of primordial ooze. Billions of years ago.

So there’s the Liberal abortion answer:
When does life begin?

Life began 4 billion years ago.

Bunch of murderous little hamsters.

Obama supports free and unlimited abortions. A baby is not a baby until it is born and not aided in any way. We must be smarter when making fetal choices. Look how much money we spend trying to keep alive fetuses that should be let go of. In order to provide free health care for all, we must redefine start of life and end of life issues. We could cut health care costs almost 50% if we would let things go.

Obama will clarify and pass new human definition policies. We need smart government in order to change and perfect our society.

I love the capital punishment gang. If you support capital punishment, you cannot be pro-life. With that twisted logic, then if you do not support capital punishment, then you cannot support abortion.

Then difference is one of guilt or innocence.

A fetus is not part of the woman, it is inside the woman. It is not a decaying tooth to be pulled. It is a separate individual that is receiving nourishment from the mother. Yes, nature is unfair. An for many women, abortion is a way to level the field. Being a woman carries much greater responsibilities in the procreation process…. sorry, blame it on evolution.

Anyone who has seen what a late term abortion looks like, and doesn’t consider that murder has no soul and no heart.

We all started out as fertilized eggs… fetuses…that’s how life begins.

FreeAndSmart,
(which by the way, calling yourself smart pretty much forfeits your claim to be smart, but anyway)

I answered your “start of life and end of life issue” using liberal logic.

I think you have issues with whether or not it’s okay to determine the end of life by the action of others.

As far as Obama clarifying new human definition policies, (I’m stifling laughter big time here) he already announced that was above his pay grade.

As far as your idol Obama passing new human definitions, I’ll tell you right now – I haven’t fallen under his hypnotic magical magnetic spell, and he can never convince me to believe it’s okay to let babies die. It will never happen, get it?
You can put laurels on his head, and wings on his heels, but unlike you I will never bow to him as a diety.

And I wholeheartedly agree, it’s above his paygrade.

p.s. society is a theater wherein souls experience and learn from the myriad facets of living in a diverse human situation.
It is not supposed to be “perfected” in what I can only assume is some sort of hemp induced vision of Utopia on your part.
There will never be smart government based on the election of some messianic figure, because that’s not how the US government works.

Obama’s support of free and unlimited anything is the mark of a fool.

Wake up, leave the murderous hamster brigade!

Nonsequitur,
Very nicely articulated and reasoned posting. I agree with you that there should be some sort of sliding scale by which potential abortions are judged to be acceptable. It would seem to be logical that the longer an embryo and/or fetus have developed, the harder it should be to obtain an abortion. For example, the morning after pill, which is essentially an abortion (the fertilized egg is not able to attach to the uterus and is therefore lost), should be allowed without restriction. There should also be little or no restriction to terminating a pregnancy in the first trimester through the time that the brain starts to develop. After that abortions should be progressively harder to obtain. For all you pro Choice folks out there, that means that the woman would have an extended period of time in which she can decide to terminate her pregnancy. If she can’t figure it out by then, she should complete the pregnancy and give the child up if it is unwanted. A caveat should still be in place for certain situations where a woman can have an abortion up to late in the pregnancy. This includes the health of the mother and by this I mean a REAL health issue such as the sudden discovery of an aggressive form of cancer, not “I am not mentally prepared for a child”. Another exception would be the discovery that the fetus has a severe abnormality such as anencephaly. In this case a partial birth abortion should be acceptable. An anencephalic child (if you can call it a “child”) is one that has no brain, is completely unaware of its existence, and whose life is usually measured in days, if not hours. It should be removed by the least traumatic means possible to the mother. Look up anencephaly on Google and you will get an idea of what this condition is.

Banning all abortions is out of the question. We cannot turn back the clock to the pre Roe v. Wade days when desperate women were poisoning and mutilating themselves to terminate unwanted pregnancies. If you pro Life folks don’t want abortions, then set up organizations to provide proper care and support for women who find themselves pregnant and are unable to provide for a new infant. That way fewer on them will want abortions.

great ad. Mainstream America needs to clearly understand: MCCAIN AND PALIN OPPOSE A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE!!!

I take it back about an anencephalic child. SoCal is living proof that someone born without a brain can still survive!

Airwick,

while I agree to some extent about a more comprehensive and scaling ability of abortion approvals, the fact of the matter is that back in the day “IF” women were poisoning themselves and they were going to some “black” market for abortions, then you need to put it in this perspective, how many women have actually “died” as a result of these “illegal” abortions for that time period vs. How many babies never had an opportunity to make their mark in this world, over 48 million, did you get that number? let me repeat it, 48 MILLION SINCE 1973 when Roe vs. Wade was legislated.

one word…INFANTICIDE!!!! HELL HITLER HAD NOTHING ON THE ROE vs. WADE decision…it was completely irresponsible and needs to be repealed and the abortion law needs to be re-written to only allow for the extreme cases that goes before a mixed ethics panel committee or something to that extent…go to wikipedia and type in “abortions in the united states” and the article outlines the “reasons” for having an abortion and only 1% make up the Rape/Incest category. 45% combined are the reasons for postponing childbearing and unable to afford!!! what a sad sad world we live in when we sum up the miracle of life in such selfish reasons…we are slowly becoming a nation of people who no longer take any responsibility for their own actions…how convenient…

Utopian,
I agree that not as many women died pre Roe V. Wade as abortions performed since 1973. There was a subset, however, of women who developed secondary infections and were thereby rendered infertile as a result due to unsanitary abortions. A lot of potential babies and families were lost there, too.

I submit to you that both pro Life and pro Choice groups can find common cause and work together to make abortions a rare event in this country. The reason women “chose” to terminate a pregnancy is multifaceted. If we can create an environment by which more women are supported emotionally, medically, and financially, fewer would no doubt “choose” to abort. This is a situation where BOTH sides can find common ground. The objective should be to have more women WANT to continue their pregnancies. Everyone should want to work together on THAT regardless of your political position!

Oh, that was a good one, SoCal. So original…and funny is a SoCal sort of way, too.

Exercise is good…keep that little anencephalic brain working. Do you have any “thoughts” on the topic at hand? Other than, “Liberals are all idiots”, that is.

Airwick,

I do agree that there should be some common ground with the overall effort and goals of continuing the pregnancy as opposed to termination As well, I am not a big supporter of social programs, but I would support a program that provides for a better adoption agency that incorporates faith based organizations and working with the community to ensure that children that absolutely can not be taken care of by the original parents will find either a loving home or an accepting community…
having said all of this though, roe vs. wade has been such a polarizing issue and such a political one at that I don’t think as a country we will ever get beyond it being a political one, and what it boils down to now is a game of numbers…should we continue to just kill babies at the rate we are going? or do we repeal the law and create a better comprehensive one…besides, look at immigration laws, we have millions of illegal immigrants but it doesn’t stop the fact that we continue to have more, and we also have sanctuary cities…we can do the same thing for abortions i suppose…but in my not so humble opinion, we as a country have perverted the principles of personal responsibility.

and for the record…SoCal, grow up!

Airwick is out of air fresher.

Bill,
Touché. Actually THAT was clever! My congratulations! Perhaps you should give SoCal some lessons…he is stuck on, “Liberals are such idiots”.

SoCal

wow, you sure got me, good one…

d’d'deee
durrrrrhhurrrr…

there, something a little bit more to your comprehension level…liberals are idiots, but your just as bad when you can’t even elaborate on the topics…

How about this? I’ll be consistent and say that I am pro-abortion and pro-capital punishment.

I just think there needs to be more well defined roles for both.

I “coulda been” an abortion. Guess what? I wouldn’t know the difference if I had been. If adoption hadn’t been so viable at the time both I and my mother would have been better off if I wasn’t here.

A woman that is irresponsible enough to need to seek an abortion is not responsible enough to be a parent.

As for capitol punishment – in guilt certain cases, and carried out swiftly… cases with questionable evidence should never be considered.

See…like I said…still stuck.

Any “thoughts” on this thread’s topic?

Crazy Forrest

Are you a parent? Do you have children?

Crazy Forrest,

your comment about..

“A woman that is irresponsible enough to need to seek an abortion is not responsible enough to be a parent.”

is quite the fallacy…every parent I know out there is a proud one that hadn’t a single clue of what they were getting into…one can only prepare so much and even then, look at how many dead beat parents and atrocities that we see coming from households…fact of the matter though is that being irresponsible enough to have an abortion doesn’t translate to not responsible enough to be a parent simply because you will now for sure never know, and nor will your dead child…

To allow living, breathing abortion survivors to die is to allow infanticide.

Utopian,
I agree with you that the passions of this issue and the resulting “politicization” of it make it very difficult to reach common ground. But common ground is something that we should try to reach. Even if you despise Planned Parenthood, you should approach them and try to find common cause. Many of them will not trust you initially, but if you persist, you may make progress. If you can convince them that you are there to help women rather than condemn them you may end up saving babies. THAT after all is what you want. In the immortal words of Confucius, “A voyage of a thousand miles starts with a single step”.

SoCal,
Somehow I do not think that Utopian is a Liberal. Nor is Utopian an idiot. He (I assume that Utopian is a “he”) seems a lot better at articulating his argument against abortion than you do. Do you have anything to say on the topic or are you still stuck on, “Liberals are all idiots”?

Truth hurts, right?

You know it always amazes me how people, especially Hollywood people, always want to protect animals. All kinds of animals…save the animals! Save them from extinction! Save them from abuse! Why not save the babies! Why not take care of the babies that are unwanted! Why kill the babies?

Many in America are all messed up in their thinking. Giving more love and compassion to an abused dog or cat, but thinking nothing of aborting a baby? I don’t have anything against protecting the animals, but get your priorities straight!

Do you even know what partial-birth abortion is? How just before the baby is born they take scalpels/scissors and stab it into the base of the brain to remove it’s brain because then it will be born dead and that is legal? That is humane America? That is love America? That is compassion America? Would you do this to your cat or your dog?

Get your priorities straight…abortion need not be! There are thousands of men and women that want children…they will take your child if you don’t want it…just don’t kill it!

This one thing I know for sure…every life…is given of God. But God will hold all accountable who harm one of his little ones! That is scripture. Unfortunately, by the time this truth is revealed to you in eternity…it will be too late to take it back!

Swing voter,
I am pro Choice and I agree with you. Aborting a fetus that is viable is wrong unless there are extraordinary circumstances. Allowing it to die after removing it from the womb is wrong UNLESS it is severely malformed and has no prospects for eventual survival.

Eileen,
I give you the same advice that I gave Utopian. Organize through your church. Approach local agencies and work to facilitate the adoption of babies to couples who want them. Go to Planned Parenthood and offer assistance to women who need emotional, medical, and financial support. Go as someone who wants to help, NOT as someone who has an agenda. If you get enough pro Life people to assist you, perhaps you can also get some pro Choice people as well. Your objectives should be the same–to assist women so that they CHOOSE NOT to have an abortion.

Here is Utopian’s 7:30 posting:

one word…INFANTICIDE!!!! HELL HITLER HAD NOTHING ON THE ROE vs. WADE decision…it was completely irresponsible and needs to be repealed and the abortion law needs to be re-written to only allow for the extreme cases that goes before a mixed ethics panel committee or something to that extent…go to wikipedia and type in “abortions in the united states” and the article outlines the “reasons” for having an abortion and only 1% make up the Rape/Incest category. 45% combined are the reasons for postponing childbearing and unable to afford!!! what a sad sad world we live in when we sum up the miracle of life in such selfish reasons…we are slowly becoming a nation of people who no longer take any responsibility for their own actions…how convenient…

Yup! You are obviously correct, SoCal. Utopian is DEFINITELY pro Choice.

You really do embarrass yourself sometimes…

Try putting a pot on your head and running into a wall. Maybe you can clear your mind of, “Liberals are all idiots…”

BLAH,BLAH, BLAH, Obama the messiah, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. That is what liberal speak sounds like written out.

If you did not stop this bill then that makes you OK with Infanticide. There are no if’s and or but’s about it. Obama is a baby killer just like his buddy Osama. You see there is not difference, being a Muslim this is how they think. Now if that child where to make it to be 8-9 years old then he would think about getting married. Liberals disust us all, they are immoral, filthy animals. And since most are vegatarians and we know that shrinks the brain we know now how they come up with their twisted idiology.

Can you imagine strangling, drowning or burning to death a poor defenseless kitten? Or bashing the head in of a poor defenseless puppy? Of course not, that would be horrible and would be illegal, but if you are a liberal and you are doing these awful things to a human baby, then it is a choice.

When you go to the poles to vote, do you really want to your choice to be Obama?

You are kidding, right? Utopian wants to seek common ground with the, “overall effort and goals of continuing the pregnancy as opposed to termination as well, I am not a big supporter of social programs, but I would support a program that provides for a better adoption agency that incorporates faith based organizations and working with the community to ensure that children that absolutely cannot be taken care of by the original parents will find either a loving home or an accepting community…”
This is a statement supporting abortion?

He also correctly noted, “having said all of this though, roe vs. wade has been such a polarizing issue and such a political one at that I don’t think as a country we will ever get beyond it being a political one, and what it boils down to now is a game of numbers…should we continue to just kill babies at the rate we are going? Or do we repeal the law and create a better comprehensive one”.
He wants to overturn Roe v. Wade to rewrite a much more restrictive law in its place. THIS is the pro Choice statement that you have fixated upon? Talk about a stretch…

Here are a few of his other “pro Choice” statements:

“Black is White and White is Black…
The Irony is that the liberals of this world are so pro-abortion or pro-choice yet are so quick to condemn capital punishment or even our soldiers on the field labeling them as murderers…such hypocrisy is the generation that wants to control our lives…while yes the religious right are riddled with just as much hypocrisy people need to see the kooks for who they are…

And another:

Esquared,
abortion is murder period, just as killing a man on the battlefield is murder, you can’t have it both ways and be innocent about it…while our brave soldiers have to deal with it, I’m sure they realize the weight that they carry by taking a life and deal with it on a day to day basis. The female of our species was given the gift of the only known “Miracle of life and reproduction” as we know it on this planet so bear in mind that they are shunning that gift regardless of the reasons, and have to live with that decision for the rest of their lives…

Finally:
Crazy Forrest,
Your comment about…
“A woman that is irresponsible enough to need to seek an abortion is not responsible enough to be a parent.”
is quite the fallacy…every parent I know out there is a proud one that hadn’t a single clue of what they were getting into…one can only prepare so much and even then, look at how many dead beat parents and atrocities that we see coming from households…fact of the matter though is that being irresponsible enough to have an abortion doesn’t translate to not responsible enough to be a parent simply because you will now for sure never know, and nor will your dead child…

Oh…and here is one of his “Liberal” statements:

“while yes you are probably correct in the fact that the blue states have the largest economies you conveniently forget to mention that they also have the largest deficits and the highest crime rates along with a myriad of other problems that come with wealth and separation thereof, i.e. some of the poorest neighborhoods, so while you can sit in your tower and claim the bigger economies, you also like to now put out ads that Bush is the problem with all of the worlds ills, and yet at the state level you are doing the very same thing that the federal government is doing…once again, your HYPOCRISY knows no limits…”

I guess his real claim to the “Liberal” label is that he thinks that you should, “Grow up”.

Can’t argue with that!

well, If a woman has a right to control her body then why doesn’t she? Cases where babies are aborted because of rape, incest or a threat to the mothers life take up less than 2 percent of all cases of abortion. If she doesn’t want to get pregnant, then she should use a condom, birth control pill or *gasp* close her legs. I am a woman and apparently I am able to comment because of my vadge. When a woman gets an abortion, she isn’t controlling her own body, she is killing another person. She is doing this because she wasn’t responsible enough to take the precautions necessary to ensure that she controlled her reproductive future, and because of that, someone else must die? It’s the same way liberals want other people to pay for lazy people who won’t work, by taking money from people who do. Or forcing redistribution of wealth through socialized medicine because people make decisions about their lives they expect other people to subsidize, like day care. Did it ever occur to any of you people who advocate for government subsidies, that if the government didn’t take so much of our paychecks for subsidized day care, that maybe women could stay home on one paycheck and raise their own kids. Because YOU choose to have a child without a partner, WE must pay for YOUR child care. I don’t think so. I am not paying for your abortion because you decided to skip birth control, (if you can’t afford birth control you shouldn’t be having sex) Or pay for your kids lunches because you decided to have children you couldn’t afford even though you couldn’t afford a condom, or your poor decisions in life in general. It’s time for people to start accepting responsibility for their own poor decisions. That includes corporate america, people who purchased houses they couldn’t afford and the like. We need real americans with back bones again. We are raising a generation of whining children.
ugh.
cm.oursler

SoCal,
You wrote, “It sounds like he thinks the better *choice* is life but he’s clearly not against abortion. Right?
I am right, he is pro-choice.”

Actually, as usual, you are WRONG. This man is absolutely pro Life but realizes that you are not going to be able to ban abortion given the political climate that exists presently in the country. The best strategy for pro Lifers is to come up with new legislation to replace the old and make abortion less desirable and harder to achieve. THAT is his position and it is NOT pro Choice.

Someone who does not agree with you on exactly every point of an issue is not automatically on the other extreme of the spectrum. In your ignorance you insult your allies.

And YOU call Liberals idiots and morons…

Arguing with you is fun, but I have to sign off. I have a big day at the lab tomorrow.

I am frankly tired of hearing selfish, weak women whine about why they chose to have an abortion. It’s always “Me, me, me!” Yes, they control THEIR bodies, but not the child’s body! And since nobody can prove to me that there is no soul present at the moment of conception, I have to assume that is when life begins. So to the women who want to say it’s THEIR choice, they are wrong. That baby is a separate entity and has every right to live. I know about all reasons for abortion and I don’t think any of those reasons are good enough (except maybe when the life of the mother is at risk.) And I can tell you from first-hand experience that even when a mother’s life is at risk, there are women who will chose to have the baby… women like me. I was 4 months pregnant with my daughter when I found out I had very aggressive breast cancer. The first doctors I went to told me to abort the baby in order to save my life. That was MY CHILD they wanted me to murder to save myself. I found doctors, though, who told me I could carry the baby to term and they’d be able to do my mastectomy and some chemo while I was pregnant. Even though it gave me less of a chance of long-term survival, I did not abort my child. Why should I murder my child because I have cancer? She is a gorgeous little, loving girl and even if I end up dying from cancer sooner than later because of having her, I would never change my decision. Why is it against the law to even TOUCH an eagle’s egg, but women are lawfully able to kill their own children? There is something horribly wrong with that.

JustMyOpinion,
That was your choice, wasn’t it? Another woman in a similar situation may choose otherwise. Would you blame her? No one was saying you HAD to have an abortion; they recommended it. You know what is like to receive a cancer diagnosis. Do you think it is right to tell another woman that she does NOT have the option of terminating her pregnancy to aggressively treat her cancer immediately like her doctor recommends? Your beliefs may be different from hers. THIS is what CHOICE is all about.

Congratulations on your child and good luck with your recovery.

That was a typical SoCal zero intelligence response. Ignore 99% of what Utopian writes and fixate on one sentence.

You are truly a foolish, illogical, small minded man.

Airwick

Thank you for your well-wishes. As far as my choice goes, yes, that was my choice. I could not expect every woman in my situation to make the same choice. It was very difficult for my son and husband because they want me around for a while longer. But, in a case such as mine where the life of the mother is endangered, then I believe the woman can make the choice to end the pregnancy or not. But these situations are rather rare, and to end a pregnancy just because she is inconvenienced is not a reason to terminate. If she does not want the child because she wants to travel or work 60 hours a week or does not want the responsibility, fine, but have the baby and give it to someone who can’t have a baby. Allow that baby’s life to bless someone else’s.

JustMyOpinion
I agree. The motivation for an abortion should be more than, “I don’t feel like it. This is inconvenient”. Women have all sorts of means to prevent pregnancies now, including the morning-after pill (which I suppose is a form of abortion, since it denies a fertilized egg the opportunity to attach to the uterus). The difference in this pill, however, is that no one knows for sure if fertilization has occurred. It simply denies the pregnancy in case it HAS. I have a hard time denying women access to an abortion early in the pregnancy but believe that as a pregnancy advances it should be more difficult to obtain and the criteria should be stricter. Many pro Choice folks do not agree with this but I submit to them than a woman has several months to decide whether or not to complete a pregnancy and should have made up her mind by then. Rare exceptions (such as yours) due to the mother’s health and the child’s medical condition should be considered.

As I noted earlier, at this time and in this political atmosphere, the best way to reduce abortions is to create an environment that supports women and lessens their perceived need to have an abortion. Both sides can agree on that and work together to achieve it. There IS potential for common ground, even in a divisive issue like this.

Once again, I hope you and the little one are well. All the best to you and your family.

To those that give the arguement that ending abortion’s legality wil create a huge black market for it. I have a question for you.

Should we then legalize murder because people hire hitmen.

It is amazing how self-righteous some of these postings are…

One guy (obviously, it’s a MAN, not a woman) posted:
“A woman that is irresponsible enough to need to seek an abortion is not responsible enough to be a parent.”

For your information, MANY MANY pregnancies result IN SPITE OF BIRTH CONTROL. Just because a female finds herself pregnant does not mean she did not use contraception nor that she is irresponsible.

With your narrow (limited) thinking, you probably will retort, “She should not have had sex at all, if she was not ready to become a mother!” REPLY: The same thing could be said about EVERY MAN who has ever had sex when he was not prepared to become a FATHER!

Hypocrites… They can be so annoying!

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