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MSNBC is such a joke. If their correspondents aren’t trying to kill each other, and ripping each other apart, they can’t even act in a professional manner during an interview. Yea, it makes a point and was humorous, but to be folded over in your lap trying to contain fake laughter is ridiculous and shows why they are the bottom feeding station they are.

Noonan pegged it (pun intended)
The constant fauning over the Bathtub Boy’s candidate by MSNBC/DNCTV has made them The Daily Kos network.

You go Peggy! About time someone made fun of the stupidity of those people. Loved it and will send it on to everyone I know!!!

The week is still young, Graceful. Right now they are searching the deck for the race card.

[...] Peggy Noonan notes this: “I’m actually putting a little edge on my criticism just to make up for the fact that on MSNBC last night somebody said, quote, ‘it wasn’t a speech: it was a symphony.’ I’m sorry; I won’t even name who did it. I am here to balance that bit of fatuous — fatuous suck-upping!” [...]

Fantastic, Peggy. You nailed it. Obama does not tell the people just where the MONEY will come from in his socialist programs(us people, Duh)

Go Mc Cain !

Wow, Peggy bashing MSNBC for coddling the Dems. This comes from a woman who would have performed oral sex on Reagan in public if he remembered how to pull down his fly.

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By the end, I was in total stitches. Hilarious! “Everybody is sick in their world.” My feet are exploding.

Here what Noonan had to say about Bill Clinton’s speech:

As for Bill Clinton’s speech, halfway through I thought: The Master has arrived. Crazy Bill, the red-faced Rageaholic, was somewhere else. This was Deft Political Pro Bill doing what no one had been able to do up to this point at the convention, and that is make the case for Barack Obama. He lambasted the foe, asserted Obama’s growth on the trail, argued that he was the right man for the job and did that as a man who once held that job and is remembered, at least in terms of domestic policy and at least by half the country, as having done it pretty darn well. He gave his full imprimatur to a crowd that believes he has an imprimatur to give.

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Great Clip. I especially liked the ending comments. So on the money about most speeches Democrats give…

Not that the Republicans God and Cuntry speeches are much better.

I am stunned to see anyone laughing at Peggy Noonan making fun of people. She is disgusting and the two people to the left of her who were hysterical laughing should be ashamed of themselves.At least Andrea Mitchel seemed a little tiny bit as though this stupid woman was beneath her.

Sucking up? PMSNBC has been Obama’s personal whore since day one. If they could be embodied in a female, he’d be passing her around to the Democratic Party bosses and those big money donors like a hors d’oeuvres tray.

Way to go Peggy, I’m surprised the democratic speech givers did not say that the Republicans are planning to poison the drinking water, throwing the elderly out in the street, taking health care away, making the children in school go hungry, and all the other over-the-top jibberish we’ve heard in the past

Andrea Mitchell needs to pull up her big girl panties and just come out and declare she fully in the tank for Obama! She should just wear her ‘STORYBOOK MAN” button and quit trying to appear unbiased.

MSNBC is the avowed Democratic channel with the most pathetic news readers around.

Great comments Peggy Noonan. Agree completely.

Unfortunately, no one is coming out as the successor to Tim Russert. And I suspect NBC is using this campaign season as a test period for potential replacements.

As for MSNBC and NBC, it os obvious there are production problems. Technical issues with people talking over each other because of delays, and no clear off camera guidance to the talking heads regarding scheduling and what’s coming up next.

Marry me, Peggy!

Anna Schneider,
Sorry you’re so “stunned” to see people making fun of others. Noonan was making fun of lefties who drag out biological freaks, and then blame conservatives for their woes. Like when that slimeball John Edwards said Christopher Reeve would still be alive if it weren’t for the Bush Administration. Seems like you blow glass for a living, but you would rather do that to Obama, rather than the glass.

THIS IS NOW OFFICIALLY THE BEST PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN OF MY LIFETIME. SARAH IS A REAL PERSON WHO SPEAKS CORRECT, CLEAR ENGLISH AND NOT COUNTRY TWANG. DURING HER ACCEPTANCE SPEECH, HER VERY FIRST WORDS TO MOST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, SHE CONGRATULATED DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL PIONEERS GERALDINE FERRARO AND HILLARY CLINTON. SHE LED AN ETHICS COMMISSION THAT NAILED A REPUBLICAN OVER ETHICS VIOLATIONS. A TRUE WASHINGTON OUTSIDER…WHILE THE CANDIDATE OF “CHANGE” CHOSE ONE OF THE OLDEST BELTWAY INSIDERS IN EXISTENCE. SARAH HAS A SON SERVING IN THE ARMY (SOON: IRAQ). HUSBAND WHO’S A STEELWORKER/UNION MEMBER. >>>AND SHE’S A REPUBLICAN!<<< WHAT AN INCREDIBLE CHOICE. AND IF FOR SOME REASON THE NATION DOES NOT ELECT McCAIN-PALIN, NOT ONLY DO WE GET THE COUNTRY’S FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT, WE ALSO WIPE HILLARY OFF THE PRESIDENTIAL MAP, PROBABLY FOR GOOD! WHAT A DAY. WHAT A SEASON. THANK GOD.

I thought Obama gave a whale of a speech and it was inspiring but it did not define him. It was merely a defining moment for him giving a great speech. It was as not specific except for the old “rob the rich and give to the poor” line. He needs to give a speech and address the issues. He is pro-choice. Why? He is for gun control. Why? He is for open borders. Why? Amoung other things. I think he avoids these issues and speaks in generalities so that people cannot see him for what he is. A leftist socialist.

That is, of cousre, flatulent suck-upping

The campaign to stop the presidency of Barack Obama reached a new low today with the announcement that John McCain has selected Sarah Palin, a white woman, to be his vice-presidential running mate.

As a further insult, McCain referred to Palin as being the “next vice president” of the United States as if Barack Obama did not exist or won’t be winning the election this November.

The use of Palin as a political tool is racist and a direct attack on Senator Obama. It is an attempt to reinvigorate the old stereotypes that African men (or Negroes as they were called) are lustful creatures who eye white women as sexual prizes to be claimed.

It is also attempt by McCain to get Senator Obama killed. In many U.S. states it is still illegal for any African man to look at, touch, or speak with a white woman. McCain is trying to set up a circumstance where Obama would do one of the three with Palin in one of these states and have him imprisoned or lynched.

In addition, McCain does this just as a Hurricane is bearing down on New Orleans which was attacked by the Bush regime’s Katrina in 2005.

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Countdown and hard ball talk Obama as if he were their boy friend. Go ahead hard ball scratch his eyes out!

Is this a surprise to anyone? MSNBC, et al, has been in the tank for NOBAMA since day 1 – also Newsweek, Time, NY Times, Los Angeles paper, CNN, ABC, CBS, Hollyweird, all the comedians, and finally Oprah.

I saw them trot out Russert’s son at the convention and that ended my sorry for his family – to let him be indoctrinated into that is a shame because I believe Russert was a decent man – in the tank also but a good commentator.

I say let MSNBC implode. If you can’t be professinal, then pay the price.

AND, its about time Peggy spoke of for her party. She’s been on alot, dissing President Bush and his administration.

It is shocking to hear the famed wordsmith, who was famously the primary crafter of George H.W. Bush’s acceptance speech twenty years ago, misspeak so egregiously: it should have been “sucking-up” not “suck-upping!” I also think that she was wrong, Norm, about Senator Obama’s “pedigree” comment. I think that was intended to be a more deniable way of playing the ‘race card’ than saying that he did not look like the other men on the nation’s various denominations of currency. He seems to have gotten away with it….

Ms. Schneider, Andrea Mitchell is no actress: she does believe that all such people, circa 6.7+ billion of us, are beneath her contempt– and not just “a little tiny bit” [sic], either! At any rate, Ms. Noonan, of whom I am no great fan, politically or literarily, was making fun of the Democratic Party as an institution and of various hypothetical ‘basket cases’– not of any actual persons– as anyone with a three-digit IQ should have been able to gather without someone such as I having to point out her obvious use of humorous hyperbole.

Adam O., if the Democrats had a strong candidate, this would be 1932 again! Instead, it is 1976 again: Obama will probably win, but not in any landslide, by any means. Like the hapless Jimmy Carter– a good man and a fine ex-president, but a lousy candidate and a worse president– Obama is a very flawed candidate. All that the media, in their partisan furor, can do is label anyone who doubts their judgment that he is a political messiah as a racist and be done with it. MSNBC is absolutely the worst offender among the major mainstream media, with lovestruck Chris Matthews and megalomaniacal Keith Olbermann being so over the top in their adoration of Obama that they both belong instead on Logo. I could name a lot of things that Republicans have done, Adam, despite my never voting for one to be president in my thirteen quadrennia to date, but I will stick with one thing, as you requested: Ike, who led the U.S. military to victory in Europe in 1945, and who was the very popular president when I was born, kicked people out from where they had no right to be, including Mexicans in the United States and Britons, French and Israelis in Egypt!

Jamesb, how did that patent ever get approved by the United States Patent Office, considering that the Democratic ticket won twelve out of the last twenty-four presidential elections, and lost three others (1968, 2000 and 2004) by exceedingly slim margins, including one (2000) in which the Democrat out-polled the Republican by well over half a million votes? Throw in the fact that Ike was essentially apolitical and was courted by both parties– Truman reportedly offered Ike his spot on the ticket in 1948, if he wanted it– and the Democrats might well have won every election from 1932 through 1968 (and perhaps onward, if J.F.K. had not been assassinated, inflicting L.B.J. upon the nation and the world)!?! It is likely that Obama will serve the next two terms, for good or ill; so, the notion that either of the two major political parties that make up our long-regnant duopoly will fade away anytime soon seems to me to be exceedingly wishful thinking on respective partisans’ respective parts.

I am glad peggy spoke up but, alot of people on the internet sites were very much impressed By Obama’s Speech saying how wonderful he was and how soon to be President Obama spoke up last night against the Republican Party and their eight years of failure. As far as what all the experts are saying, is that Obama has already Won this election, after last nights slam home speech!!

Peggy Noonan has been a Republican speechwriter for at least 25 years. Among other things, she wrote GHWB’s “thousand points of light” speech in 1988. Gee, do you think that just might influence what she thought of Obama’s speech just a little bit? Of COURSE Republicans are upset (David Brooks was practically foaming at the mouth last night) that the Democrats have a strong candidate with clearly articulated ideas that isn’t about to be swift-boated like Kerry was. The Repubicans? Might as well change their official slogan to “No Vaseline” (apologies to Ice Cube, but it had to be done). Talk about zero ideas! Can anyone out there name ONE THING any Republican admin (after T Roosevelt) ever did for the people of this country? Naah…didn’t think so!

Wonderful comments and from someone who understands and writes speeches. If anyone was truly familiar with Peggy Noonan, he or she would know that her background and expertise are in speechwriting, so I take what she says more seriously. She’s ripped Republicans and their speeches, too, by the way.

As for MSNBC, it’s a stepchild in the NBC family. You don’t have to have skills, just look good. Chancellor (sp.?) and Brinkley are turning over in their graves. And probably watching PBS or FOX.

Frank, I’ve seen my share of surefire “slam dunks” careen off the back of the rim and out of bounds, for all that’s worth. I am one of legions of people who thought Obama’s speech was rather, angry, vapid and devoid of any realism, just more pie in the sky loftiness.

I totally agree with Adam O. on this.
In fact, I’m currently looking at the deductions column on my paycheck and see nothing but a long list of the things that Democrats are doing to, er, for me.

Bravo! Ms.Peggy;
You were too much for them today!
Bashing the Metrosexual Castratti anchoring MSNBC’s election coverage was just too tempting to pass on…

Adam you had better go take a dump because it’s obviously backing up into your brain and affecting your sensory organs not to mention cognitive functions.

BTW: Just what coverage did you think you were watching? David Brooks will barely even raise his voice let alone “foam at the mouth”. Quit being a partisan hack.

Peggy’s insight and intelligence dwarf any of the so called MSNBC anchors. Matthews, Olbermann and Andrea acted like Obama’s speech was from somekind of man-god, and they seem since in their adoration of Obama.

Here are some other great things Ms Noonan said about the speech:

The speech itself lacked lift but had heft. It wasn’t precisely long on hope, but I think it showed audacity. In fact, by the end of the speech I thought it was quite a gamble.
But about halfway through, Mr. Obama pivoted into Iraq, and here the crowd seemed to lean forward. “John McCain likes to say that he’ll follow bin Laden to the gates of Hell – but he won’t even go to the cave where he lives.” “John McCain stands alone in his stubborn refusal to end a misguided war. That’s not the judgment we need.”

“You don’t defeat a terrorist network that operates in eighty countries by occupying Iraq. . . . You can’t truly stand up for Georgia when you’ve strained our oldest alliances.”

But where the speech – and the crowd – came alive, was in the area Mr. Obama has used so effectively in the past, specifically in his 2004 Democratic Convention keynote address. The old “partisan playbook” won’t do. Republicans try to tear Democrats down, but “patriotism has no party,” “we all put our country first.” We must “bridge divides and unite in common effort.”

He conceded that he is not the “likeliest” candidate for the presidency, that “I don’t fit the typical pedigree” – that was a shot at the Bushes of Kennebunkport – but change is needed, and change doesn’t “come from Washington,” it “comes to Washington.”

* * *

He ended with a reference to Dr. King’s speech, an occasion when “Americans from every corner of this land” came “to stand together on a Mall in Washington, before Lincoln’s Memorial, and hear a young preacher from Georgia speak of his dream.”

It was at this point that the meaning of the pillars became clearer. And in fact, at this point, bathed in soft lights, they did look rather stately.

All in all, a muted affair. But not one without power.

think Mr. Obama decided it didn’t matter if he repeated much of what he’s said on the campaign trail before, which he had, because more than 30 million people were watching, and for a lot of them what he was saying was new. I think he decided to show an America that hadn’t fully absorbed him that he was a person of seriousness and stature. I think he was saying, I’m a surprising person, but I can be president. I’m attractive, but I have depth. And by the way, the past eight years? I will be so much better than that. Take a chance. Not a gamble, a chance.

From The Wall Street Journal

It’s nice to see the Dem side of this campaign degenerate into,…into, well, into a typical Dem campaign for President. The Dems hold the patent for losing Presidential Elections. This year it’s the NEW EXTRA STRENGTH FORMULA! Lose an election that by all rights they should win WALKING AWAY! WHAT A HOOT! LMAOff HOOT!

Does anyone know what ever happened to the poor double headed kid/bowling ball? Poor kid. That’s not right.

“fatuous suck-upping”

Pretty good for thinking on your feet. Having time to reflect, I would say that MSNBC was also “UCK-supping” (with a, er, Spoon?)

I may very well be a single mother who is facing an illness with no health coverage and I wouldn’t think it was as hilarious as these people did. It amazes me to think that we depend on these types of news media programs to make up our minds for us. I find it insulting as a society that we portray ourselves as not intelligent enough to listen to each candidate with our own ears and base our decisions on what we hear. There is a vast amount of information from each candidate on their web sites. Shouldn’t we base our vote on what comes from the horses mouth rather than the other end?

Lori,

Who’s responsibility is it that you are a single mother? Single mothers get far too much sympathy and handouts in this country and most of them take advantage of the situation. Go out, get an education and a job. Have some self respect. The democrats have created a constituency of victims who are taking tax money that other people worked for. Most peoople have no idea how many people in this country are on the dole; ie; food stamps, rental assistance, housing, utilities, child care, medicaid, disability, even cash assistance. I know because I work in that environment in a very democratic state. The state encourage this behavior because it gives them a bigger budget from the federal government but it just grows more victims. People who choose not to work and would rather have handouts instead of self respect. This is the way they keep minorities in “their” place and beholding to them. Don’t you think this is sad and disrespectful? And why do minorities do it? Do they really not know any better?

Lori, please be assured that you speak for yourself. And beware the free ride from the government. History doesn’t show that this is good for the nation, or even for individuals. I have sympathy for you in your situation, but please be aware that people such as yourself have always been used by others in order to obtain political power using the power of sympathy and emotion. Trusting those who would use others in this way is a risky proposition.

Peggy…. Bravo!!!

Blabbermann and mAssthews were and are pathetic. I’m not drinkin’ the Obama Koolaid.

McCain/Palin 2008

“I am stunned to see anyone laughing at Peggy Noonan making fun of people.”

That lemon’s almost dry, here’s another.

Do you also think Tropic Thunder is making fun of the mentally challenged?

Wow, she got MSNBC’s coverage mixed up with CNN’s coverage. How could that ever happen, when they’re so radically different?

Because if an MSNBC personality actually said it, she would have easily named them specifically. You and I both know it would have had to be Matthews or Olbermann. She used it to push her agenda. Look she had bashed Obama’s speech the day before it was delivered, so of course she was going to do her best to push the echo machine agenda. She is just so transparent. You pseudo-rightists fall in line no matter how much you truly disagree with your candidate. Last question, why is it when republican presidents are failures it is because they didn’t “follow republican principles”. Could it be that while the theory sounds so good it can’t be used to actually govern. Just a thought.

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Probably the most annoying thing about conservatives is how you all repeat the same tired lines ad nauseum. The last month with this “Obama the savior” nonsense is so stupid. Every righty talking head got the memo and Rush & Hannity feed it to you dittoheads to repeat around the water cooler. Aren’t you all the ones who always were saying “thank God George Bush is our president” I mean I heard this constantly and he is totally inept. I feel bad for all you conservative culture warriors because that part of the republican agenda never gets pushed. It is always the give all control to business part of the agenda that gets through.

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daisymae, thank you for the advice. Here’s a question for you, do you take any responsibility for a persons attitude, giving that you say you work in this kind of environment? Do you do your part as a fellow American to treat people with dignity so they are able to build that self respect?
Gregory, I wasn’t speaking for myself. I am married to a retired teacher, I’m a former business owner, own my own home (with no mortgage) have a retirement plan and savings in the bank. I stated “I may well be a single mother”.
I posted on here because the anger and lack of knowlegde scares me as an American. I’m not affilliated with any party and I grasp the feelings of people who are staunce supporters of one side or the other. I am a mother and a grandmother who tries to teach my family to walk in others shoes and do more good than bad and to think before they speak. This election is bringing out more feelings and issues than any other in my lifetime and it has been interesting to say the least how we as a country are handling it. So while I truly haven’t decided on my choice yet I don’t subscribe to the mainstream medias behavior or the feelings of people like daisymae.

Jake, you don’t know me from Adam, but thanks for assuming that you are more intelligent than me. I won’t get into a war with you. Here is a little about me, take it for what it’s worth. I scored over 1300 on my SATs back int the mid 90’s. My IQ is around the high 120s to low 130’s. I went to a good public U in NC. I am a sys admin considering a switch to career in finance. I’m in my 30’s and don’t for a minute believe because a person spouts conservative rhetoric that they are righteous. I think Reagan Dems like yourself are really part of the problem with America. Why is it because Matthews likes Obama that it makes it some sort of white guilt? That is the arrogance of conservatism and right leaning “independents” like yourself.

Do you think she said I won’t name who said because she absolutely knew that she was lying through her teeth? It was David Gergen on CNN that said it was a symphony. She is so intellectually dishonest and I can’t stand her. She bashed Hillary and praised Obama during the primaries. Of course I knew that crazy old bird would come home to roost for her Republican religion. Even after bashing McCain she now supports him.

Just out of curiosity, vdogg, if you yourself were watching CNN to see David Gergen say that, how do you happen to know whether or not someone else on MSNBC that night used the same metaphor, whether coincidentally or because of seeing David Gergen say so, or else reading about it on-line or on the news ticker? (If you were not watching it yourself, how do you know it to be true?) Even if it were David Gergen, and David Gergen alone, who used that particular metaphor on Thursday night, how does that prove that Peggy Noonan was “lying through her teeth” rather than merely confused as to where she saw it, and that she thus misremembered it, perhaps because her brain knows darn well that MSNBC personnel, especially Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann, have been embarrassingly pro-Obama all year long?

Partisans always seem to assume the worst about other people who have the audacity (to borrow a favorite word of Senator Obama’s, which he himself borrowed from his devoutly racist friend and preacher, “Rev.” Wright) not to share those partisans’ respective (if disrespectful) views. Should all Democrats who bashed Senator Obama during the long primary season now vote for Senator McCain; or, is it merely the Republicans, whom you so loath, that are required not to vote for someone whom they criticized during the primary season, and who must instead vote for your own preferred Democratic candidate? Are you demanding that Joe Biden not vote for his own ticket because he criticized Barack Obama while running against him, as did Hillary Clinton and every other Democratic candidate in the primary season, as well as most of their supporters?

Why is it that all of the pseudo-liberals and pseudo-progressives of the Left preach pie-in-the-sky Utopian universalism and seek to ban and criminalize “hate speech” (which turns out to be operationally defined as any speech, political or otherwise, with which they themselves viscerally disagree) while they themselves feel quite free to attack virulently those who do not share their views? How does an Obama supporter attack Peggy Noonan as a “crazy old bird” without any apparent sense that he is being a sexist, an ageist, and callously insensitive to the mentally ill? It seems, vdogg, that your Utopian sentiments might have a bit of self-actualization left to attain before Obama redeems the world from catastrophic anthropomorphic global warming, etc., no?

“Because if an MSNBC personality actually said it, she would have easily named them specifically. You and I both know it would have had to be Matthews or Olbermann. She used it to push her agenda. Look she had bashed Obama’s speech the day before it was delivered, so of course she was going to do her best to push the echo machine agenda. She is just so transparent. You pseudo-rightists fall in line no matter how much you truly disagree with your candidate. Last question, why is it when republican presidents are failures it is because they didn’t “follow republican principles”. Could it be that while the theory sounds so good it can’t be used to actually govern. Just a thought.”

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I take this as a tacit admission that you do not know for a fact that no one on MSNBC used that metaphor. Unlike you, Peggy Noonan and I were raised in a time and place where manners trumped egotism. She happens to be extremely fond of her fellow Irish Catholic, Chris Matthews, as he is of her, and she would be loathe to go out of her way to embarrass him by name on his own network– unlike a solipsistic partisan like you would, if Chris Matthews were not supporting your latest messianic demigod, Barack Obama, out of Mr. Matthews’ vast, albeit misplaced, ‘white guilt.’

You are apparently incapable of comprehending the English language– which might explain why you chose to pass on answering so many of my direct questions put to you above– as I am going to be 52 years old in October, yet I have never voted for a Republican for President, nor for any other federal office, and only very rarely done so at even the state or local level. In fact, I can recall only one Republican politician for whom I have ever voted over the course of the past nearly thirty-five years: Washington State’s then-incumbent Secretary of State, Ralph Munro.

I was a registered Democrat from before the time that I was already voting in a state primary as a 17-year-old high-school student in Northwest Indiana, in the spring of 1974. I only left the party to become a registered independent in April 1999– because amoral Democrats chose to support a degenerate and guilty sexual predator named Bill Clinton for strictly partisan motives, despite their pious feminist platitudes about the oppression and exploitation of women. (It was Bill Clinton himself who signed the bill into law, which he fully supported, to make the past sexual histories of those sued in federal court for sexual harassment discoverable and admissible into evidence– no matter how embarrassing they allegedly would be to any serial adulterers and rapists like the then-President!)

Since registering as an independent nearly a decade ago, I have never voted for a Republican at any level of government. Is that what you mean, vdogg, by a “pseudo-rightist?” As someone, unlike you, who is proficient in English, that moniker would seem to me to require someone who is not a Rightist– as I, indeed, am not– to be claiming to be one– as I , indeed, am not! Ideologues have a very bad habit of assuming that anyone who disagrees with them is an ideologue from the other end of the spectrum, since such mindless simpletons, incapable of either original or independent thought, see the world as simply Hegelian, or Zoroastrian, in nature, and believe whatever the commissars have told them to believe.

If you wish to pose questions to me, vdogg, you may consider employing question marks, in the traditional fashion. You also may avoid calling such a non-question your last, and then following it immediately with another non-question. You might wish, furthermore, to find someone with a three-digit IQ and some basic proficiency in the English language to assist you in crafting cogent and coherent questions, rather than nonsensical ones like those that you failed to formulate properly above. “Just a thought,” vdogg? One does hate to point out the obvious, but cognition is obviously not your strong suit!

“The state encourage this behavior because it gives them a bigger budget from the federal government but it just grows more victims”

This is why helping those in need should come from charity and not government; government produces corruption and greed whereas charity is from the heart.

Case in point, I knew an able-bodied 25 yr old guy from Dominican Republic who receives $1000 a month from government for taking care of his grandmother. Thing is, his grandmother lives in the Dominican Republic not with him in NYC; corruption and greed.

“Jake, you don’t know me from Adam, but thanks for assuming that you are more intelligent than me. I won’t get into a war with you. Here is a little about me, take it for what it’s worth. I scored over 1300 on my SATs back int the mid 90’s. My IQ is around the high 120s to low 130’s. I went to a good public U in NC. I am a sys admin considering a switch to career in finance. I’m in my 30’s and don’t for a minute believe because a person spouts conservative rhetoric that they are righteous. I think Reagan Dems like yourself are really part of the problem with America. Why is it because Matthews likes Obama that it makes it some sort of white guilt? That is the arrogance of conservatism and right leaning “independents” like yourself.”

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I only know you based on your several posts here on this topic, vdogg; but, I indeed was able to assume that I am more intelligent than you are, along with being far more literate than you are, and far more experienced and well-informed than you are about politics, specifically, and life, more generally. Your posts here have been little more than ad hominem attacks on anyone who does not share your own politically correct views, as received from the regnant cultural elites in the mainstream media, the educational establishment, and the corridors of government power.

I am a former longtime attorney who earned four university degrees, three of them advanced– all from Land Grant public universities (two from the Big Ten and two more from the Pac 10). I have an IQ– based on several tests as a middle-aged man, along with my standardized test scores as a young man– that is nearly one full standard deviation above that of the popular “genius” and lauded environmental savior Al Gore, about ten points higher than the reported IQ level of his former honcho, Bill Clinton, and a few to several points higher than that of his wife, the supposedly most intelligent and competent woman that America has ever produced, the “vast right-wing conspiracy” notwithstanding.

So, yes, vdogg, you yourself now have confirmed for me what I already had assumed from the meager available evidence, based upon my training in Law (J.D.), Personality and Social Psychology (M.S., including studies in both Legal Psychology and Political Psychology), Management & Organization (M.B.A.), General History (B.A.), English (ditto), and Mass Communications (ditto, minor).

Your own ignorance would be breathtaking, vdogg, to anyone who were unaware of how low America’s educational system has fallen in the past two generations. As a former college instructor, as well as a former substitute teacher in the public schools more recently, and as someone who has been engaged socially and politically since before you even were born, I am anything but unaware of that prodigious decline, and of the frightening prospects for subsequent generations of Americans, as both American hegemony and culture collapse after two to three generations of systemic rot at the national core.

Reagan Democrats, since you are clearly confused about that term, refers to registered or former Democrats who voted for Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984. I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1980, as I had in 1976, because I was not allowed to vote for the third-party candidate of my choice in Indiana in either year. You may consider my first choice of Eugene McCarthy to be more conservative than my ultimately forced choice of Jimmy Carter, as that would be in keeping with your demonstrated level of knowledge in your posts about this video.

I voted for Walter Mondale against Ronald Reagan in 1984, after supporting Gary Hart in the primaries. I voted for Michael Dukakis against George Bush the Elder in 1988, after Joe Biden dropped out months before the 1988 primaries began. As an active Democrat in liberal Seattle as a young lawyer in 1988, I was chosen to be a Dukakis delegate at the local, county and state levels that year.

I supported Paul Tsongas in the 1992 primaries, among the several good choices available– not including the dubious Bill Clinton. I ended up being a loyal Democrat, regardless, and not inhaling while voting that November for two people that I could not, and still cannot, abide: Bill Clinton and Al Gore.

Once being enough, I abstained from voting in both the 1996 and 2000 presidential elections. In 2004, however, I voted for the liberal Working Families Party’s ticket in New York, against the incumbent George Bush the Younger and Dick Cheney.

I supported Joe Biden again this year, although I have not had a primary to vote in since moving to New York City (that bastion of the Right!) and again registering as an independent, as I had elsewhere since 1999.

I am a lifelong civil libertarian. I have been opposed to the invasion of Iraq since long before it (re)occurred in March 2003. I am against drug prohibition. I am for a legal drinking age of 18. I am absolutely and irrevocably against the death penalty. I am against conscription, whether for the military or for social work, based upon the 13th Amendment, overarching political philosophy, and practical public-policy considerations. I am against self-styled strict constructionists of the United States Constitution. I am pro-choice on abortion and birth control. I could go on….

If this all sounds like political conservatism or the personal history of a Reagan Democrat to you, vdogg, it is your MMPI score that you and your loved ones need to worry about, not your SATs!

I am quite sanguine, vdogg, that you do not consider those who spout conservative rhetoric to be righteous. On the contrary, like a typically intolerant, PC-addled young American, you clearly believe that anyone who does not share your own beliefs, on whatever narrow grounds of political or social debate, must therefore be stupid, evil and/or mentally ill. It is you and your own ilk whom you obviously believe to be enlightened and righteous, regardless of how you actually live your personal lives, simply by virtue of publicly proclaiming your belief in politically correct doctrines, no matter how Orwellian in nature. You are one of the True Believers that Eric Hoffer had in mind– not that you would be taught about Hoffer in a contemporary American education when there is so much to learn about Black African greatness and White European-American perfidy!

Anyone who even occasionally and casually tunes into “Hardball” on MSNBC knows that host Chris Matthews is wracked by quilt over three things: Whites’ endemic racism against Blacks; men’s endemic sexism against women; and, personally, his Vietnam era draft dodging– first at Holy Cross as an undergraduate, conveniently going from a Goldwater Republican (a la Hillary Rodham) and pro-war hawk to a Bobby Kennedy Democrat and anti-war dove, then as a graduate student at North Carolina, and, when that student deferment was stripped away after his first year at UNC, off in scenic sub-Saharan Africa to avoid Vietnam by settling for a two-year stint in the Peace Corps instead.

Chris Matthews is a typical White male elite who wrings his hands endlessly over the plight of Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, women, and whatever other victim classes come to mind at any given time– so long as he may pontificate without giving up any of his privileges, and without his spoiled children giving up their places in the Ivy League and in the corridors of power in the government, business, the mainstream media, or wherever else they may seek their own fame and fortune by leveraging that of their doting and hypocritical parents!

Chris Matthews believes that he is among a small minority of heterosexual Christian White males in America who have managed to purge themselves of the original sins of boundless bigotry against Blacks, women, Jews, Hispanics, Asians, gays and lesbians, and the now-endless roll call of the self-proclaimed oppressed and aggrieved. The contemporary Democratic Party has become a veritable clearinghouse of identity politics, while at the same time being itself funded and controlled by the same moneyed elites as the Republican Party, as Ralph Nader never tires of pointing out to whoever will listen. The menus differ wildly, but the chefs are all hired by the same cabal. It wins whether the coin turns up heads or tails in November of any given even-numbered year.

Anyone who does not know that Chris Matthews and his ilk are utterly convinced that only White racism can explain a White American’s refusal to wallow in the transcendent joy and enlightenment of giving one’s all to the cause of eradicating American racism, once and for all, by supporting Barack Obama’s candidacy has simply not been listening attentively to the establishment media, generally, and “Hardball with Chris Matthews”, specifically, for these past twenty months or so.

i don’t have insurance and i don’t find it funny.

Jake Prufrock,

You employ the English language in such an adept manner. Yet you do not manage to sound anything but trite, arrogant, and very sensitive.

All those words and very little content. It makes sense that you were a life-long Democrat.

[...] for Obama’s speech itself, I think Peggy was right to say that we will remember the occasion – the nomination of an African American for [...]

Against my better judgment, I came back to give this little zinger to my Mensa comrade Jake. As mentioned, I believed that Noonan is typical of the conservative talking head class. I believe that W has killed the Republican party as we know it. How it reshapes itself will be a decades long process. Conservatives put down the kool-aid and face the real world. BTW here is a clip of our “virtuous” Ms. Noonan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg

[N.B. I am not a member of MENSA, vdogg, nor of the even-more-lofty groups for which I would be eligible based upon my lofty IQ. Are you implying that you somehow snuck into MENSA with an IQ even lower than Al Gore's? Shame on you!]

What is less than virtuous about anything that Peggy Noonan and her fellow conservative, Mike Murphy, said then (during what I assume was a commercial break, with some Obamaphile from MSNBC then releasing it to embarrass the Republican ticket)? As I mentioned in my very first post here, I am certainly no great fan of Ms. Noonan, politically or literarily. Unlike you, I can take her at face value and in good faith, arguing for or against her positions, rather than merely calling her a “crazy old bird…com[ing] home to roost for her Republican religion” while “lying through her teeth.”

All you do is vent your spleen through ad hominem attacks, vdogg, because you are an incorrigible left-wing partisan who is apparently incapable of explicating rational arguments in a thoughtful and respectful fashion. Shame on your teachers and guardians, respectively! Your notion that all conservative pundits are immoral monsters– while so-called “liberal” or “progressive” pundits are supposedly dedicated simply to truth, justice and the American way– goes over great on the Daily Kos, but has no verisimilitude in the real world, where intelligent, well-educated, well-informed and well-meaning adults may agree to disagree, without feeling the uncontrollable urge to demonize someone who does not view the world, or whichever sliver of it is at issue, in the same way as they do.

Before you were apparently even born, vdogg, Richard Nixon was forced from the presidency in scandal and shame, less than ten months after Vice President Agnew agreed to resign and plead no contest to corruption and tax evasion charges. Less than three months after Nixon’s resignation, the Democrats, who had already controlled the House of Representatives for twenty years, gained 49 seats, to take a two-thirds majority. They gained only three seats in the Senate, but that took them to a filibuster-proof 61 seats. The Republican Party was as good as dead and buried. It would take decades to turn it around, right?

In 1976, the weak and accidental 38th president, Gerald Ford, crippled by an inflationary economy and his pardon of Dick Nixon, as well as by the debating blunder of freeing the Poles from Soviet hegemony more than a dozen years before the facts on the ground supported such a claim, came back from a 30-point deficit in the summer to nearly upset Jimmy Carter, who was riding the wave of good-government reform in the wake of Watergate. Four years later, the incumbent Democrat was washed away in a landslide, with the Republicans also taking control of the United States Senate for the first time since it adjourned in 1954.

When Bill Clinton took office on January 20, 1993– unseating George Bush the Elder, thanks to a weak economy and a viable three-way race– the Democrats had a twelve-seat advantage in the Senate, and an 82-seat advantage in the House. The Democrats also dominated state legislatures and statehouses, winning eight of twelve gubernatorial elections in 1992, to gain an additional four governorships vis-a-vis the Republicans. Once again, the Republicans were being given the Last Rites, despite having held the White House for the previous twelve years. It would take decades to rebuild the Republican Party again, right?

Less than two years later, Newt Gingrich’s Republican Revolution not only won back the Senate, by gaining eight seats; it also won back the House of Representatives for the first time in forty years, gaining 54 seats– five more than the Democrats had in the wake of Watergate, less than three months after Nixon’s resignation, and less than two months after Ford’s very unpopular pardon of Tricky Dick! Gingrich suddenly became as powerful a figure in Washington as the newly emasculated President Clinton. Two years later, however, that same Bill Clinton managed to get reelected by a comfortable margin, although the Republican House survived for another decade, and Clinton’s vice president was defeated despite very good economic times over the previous eight years.

Your notion that George W. Bush has destroyed the Republican Party so badly, vdogg, that they must wander in the political wilderness for the next several decades now, is an hysterical and ahistorical reading of American political history. Less than three and a half years after LBJ’s historic landslide over Barry Goldwater, Johnson found it prudent to withdraw from even seeking his party’s nomination, and the loser of 1960 (and 1962, in California), Dick Nixon, was elected in LBJ’s place.

Barack Obama has so much going for him in the generic sense; yet, like Hillary Clinton, he is a seriously flawed and divisive character, despite his mantra of healing the partisan divide that supposedly is at the root of all of our national problems. He will probably win the election on November 4, especially if Governor Sarah Palin implodes– or explodes– as John McCain’s running mate. The fact that Obama’s election is not now a foregone conclusion, however, should give pause to any Democrat, whether a thoughtful and intellectually honest one or a mindless, spleen-venting partisan one. Anyone who thinks that the Democrats’ only real problem is that so many of those voters who had voted for the much-more-experienced Al Gore and John Kerry are too racist to vote for their own best interests, in the person of a half-Black Barack Obama, is engaged in self-deception on a grandly delusional scale.

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