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Just reinstate the draft with a choice of National service or the military, problem solved.

Looks like more liberals out of touch and void of any common sense. Kids hanging out on the streets in houston have a 90 percent chance of ending up in the Pen.

We don’t need no stinking momma’s babies who git scared and decide to back out of their word. We need patriotic men and women willing to FIGHT and DIE to defend the Constitution against all enemies Foreign and DOMESTIC.

If you do love this Great Nation you better join the Active, Gaurd, Reserve or if not capable, encourage someone you know or love to. Freedom isn’t FREE, and is an unusual condition among humans. READ History. 70% of Today’s kids aren’t QUALIFIED to join even the ARMY! Perhaps WE don’t deserve freedom.

I’m a VERY proud Veteran, and a Pro-USA Conservative.

If those recruiters were lying to the DEPers, then the recruiters need to be strung up.

As I remember, DEPers don’t get signing bonuses until they’ve gone to basic training, so there’s no “loan” to default on.

Recruiters have lied to recruits in the past, but certainly not in the numbers claimed. There are plenty of sissies out there who falsely claim that their recruiter lied to them, just to get out of their contract.

The DEP contract spells out how a DEPer may back out of their contract. It’s the DEPer’s responsibility to read the contract and follow it to the letter. The recruiter has the same requirement.

There will always be losers on both side of the contract who will try to get over.

I’m thinking that if a DEPer signs on the dotted line, he or she had BETTER know what they’re doing. Backing out because you might be sent into danger is cowardly.

And *IF* the military is giving out signing bonuses before sending the recruit to basic training, then I see a clear obligation for the DEPer to give the money back if they decide to wuss out.

And make no mistake; if you’re not willing to fight and die for your country, then you’re a coward and need to be publicly treated as a coward.

‘And make no mistake; if you’re not willing to fight and die for your country, then you’re a coward and need to be publicly treated as a coward.’

What are you jibber-jabbering about? Sounds like an edict from the Red Army.

Recruiters are under pressure from their superiors to meet “quotas” and apparently are paid “bonuses” depending upon how many recruits they sign up. If this system is discarded then abuses, lying, and “pressure sales” tactics like you see too often now would not exist. When I enlisted in the Marines in 1967 my recruiter had his feet up on his desk and was reading a Playboy magazine. He could care less if I enlisted and didn’t try to sugar coat anything. Stop putting pressure on recruiter to meet quotas and do away with bounties and this will stop. People who join the military should want to join the military, not be tricked into it by some head-hunter.

Gonzalez, Martinez – shouldn’t these guys be joining the Mexican or Guatemalan armies?

This article ( http://www.slate.com/id/2127487/ ) shows how the Army’s started to lower the bar on who it lets join up.

Seignorage

“Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.”

~Henry Kissinger

This is how our “leaders” view your noble sacrifice.

Recruiters are not paid a bonus per contract. At least the military aren’t. There are civilian recruiters that are paid based on performance. But the Army does not pay it’s recuiter Soldiers bonuses to avoid problems like this. And yes there is a lot of pressure from the top. I was a Recruiting Co CDR. But out of the more than 1,000 kids we enlisted, more than 970 of them went to Basic. (Second best % in the Army) If the recruiter and recruit are truthful up front then there is no need to lie and the kid will ship to basic.

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Recruiting quotas are being set far too high and the threat of reprisals when these quotas are not met are very real. Recruiters are only trying to cover their own backsides but for some reason they are going about it all wrong. Probably out of sheer desperation. On the other hand, anyone with good sense would never sign their name to any kind of contract without knowing exactly what it says in the fine print. Perhaps one solution would be requiring anyone under the age of 21 be accompanied by an adult when applying to a recruiting office. Sometimes children under that age often make rash decisions without considering the consequences.

We don’t even need any soldiers, there shouldn’t be any wars. Just hug a tree, reform a criminal, let the government pay for your house, gas, food, and tuition from the magical money tree and sing happy songs. Change, yeah change. If this keeps up, I may not even have to get out of my government issued bed each day.

Sure thing Mud. Did you get that off the website with the pictures of batboy?

Fred, you’re loser scum.

To dswilli

here’s the footnote for that quote

“Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.” — Henry A. Kissinger, quoted by Monika Jensen-Stevenson, Kiss the Boys Goodbye, Dutton, 1990, Page 97, citing The Final Days, Woodward and Bernstein (Simon & Schuster, 1976)

So that Sgt who was off duty is not active army with that Goatee. So it is a Civi recruiter looking to get some cash. My civi recruiter was horrible back in the 80’s but not like these assholes.

You’ve convinced me disband the military! Kissinger looks down at the military therefore we don’t need one. BTW that was sarcasm, this is not grow up you fn babies.

Yeah my high school history teacher served in the Marine Corp and he encouraged all of us to serve but he warned us not to believe anything the recruiter told us. A buddy of mine joined the coast guard and they promised him things that didn’t pan out either So I imagine this is policy across the board.

It would be hard at 17 to stand up to an angry recruiter threatening prison.

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James: “Yeah my high school history teacher served in the Marine Corp and he encouraged all of us to serve but he warned us not to believe anything the recruiter told us. A buddy of mine joined the coast guard and they promised him things that didn’t pan out either So I imagine this is policy across the board.”

Policy? Nope. Just some bad eggs. They exist in greater numbers in the civvie world. In either case, they’re scum.

James: “It would be hard at 17 to stand up to an angry recruiter threatening prison.”

At 17, you didn’t sign that contract — one or both of your parents did. That means the deal is between your parents and the military. If the parent(s) signed an agreement without reading it and explaining it to Junior, then it’s the parent’s fault for not knowing better.

Most adults know that if it’s not in writing, it doesn’t hold water. There are exceptions, but this isn’t one of them. If the parents were doing their job, they’d tell Junior not to believe anything that’s not in the contract.

In fact, the contract SPECIFICALLY states that verbal promises made by the recruiter aren’t binding.

All I hear is a bunch of whining sissies trying to avoid their responsibilities.

I wonder how many kids are in Iraq because the recruiter lied to them. I think the threat of having gangs make love to you in prison would be pretty powerful at the age of 17.

For all the flag wavers here. If you glorify dying for this country then sign up…go…die..
for absolutely NOTHING.Your a bunch of CHICKENHAWKS!

I’d first suggest that the TV station who did this “Investigative Report” find out exactly what the Delayed Entry Program is. It is a not a way to try out the army without a binding contract.

The Delayed Entry Program is exactly what it’s name states. You can enlist now, but delay your actual departure date for up to one year. From the Army’s website: http://www.army.com/enlist/delayed-entry-program.html.

There are ways out of your enlistment (and that is exactly what you have done, enlisted) but they revolve around hardships and family emergenices, not “I’ve changed my mind”.

A recruiter is just like a used car salesman… they will say whatever they need to to seal the deal. If someone is too stupid to read what they sign and understand it then buyer beware…

I smell a rat. looks to me like an overzealous local news crew trying to capitalize on their previous success with this story. As far as I know, if these loser kids “changed their mind” then yeah, they could very well be violating their contracts.

You can’t ENLIST and then change your mind. It’s impossibly hard. My friends tell me about the numerous kids at Marine boot camp who were acting like they were gay so they’d be kicked out. Hint: they just stayed at boot camp even longer! Save us all some trouble and if you’re a pu55y, just don’t sign up, that’s what i did.

We need the draft to come back, get these little disrespectful jerkoffs off the streets and learn some respect. In one small way you have to respect the Pakistani tribes that have prevented us from getting UBL, why? they have succeeded so far because these tribes hold the highest respect for their ELDERS. I seriously doubt these tribes are held together not by a pimply faced wonderkid or some hahvahd MBA, but the wisest of the group. If our country was still like that, we’d have got him BEFORE 9/11.

Mr libsuk, I wish to strongly disagree. We do not need a draft. We get well over three times the work done correctly with volenters. What we need is patriotic Americans to join the Active, Gaurd and Reserves. Freedom isn’t FREE!

The Army is one of the most reverred and respected organizations in the US as is the military in general. The media should be applauded in helping to identify unethical activites on the part of both the public and private sectors. Having served for 25 years in the Army I can attest to the fact that the Army is ethically based but has and will on occasion have Soldiers and contractors behave unethically or criminally. In each case the Army has tried to address and resolve these problems through appropriate legal processes. No one should be niave enough in or outside of the Army to believe that this behavior is of epidemic proportion but rather are aberations. There is much good to say about both the media and the Army. So lets try to always present both sides of the story…

Quote: “And make no mistake; if you’re not willing to fight and die for your country, then you’re a coward”.

No sane military man ever wants to go to war. Why is it that Congress has not declared war, as required in the Constitution, since WWII? Every executive action since then has resulted in less than outright victory. The American public have not supported our military actions since WWII. Why? We were not attacked by Korea, Vietnam, Pineapple Head (Norega) or Hussein.

Why become cannon fodder for some politician’s wet dream?

shadowduskeve, I’ve done my time in the sandbox. I’ve done more for this country than you, your family and your entire trailer park has done, or will ever do.

You’re just drooling inbred scum.

Max, No sane PERSON wants to go to war. But a sane person recognizes the need to defend his country, just like a sane person sees the need to defend his person and his family when there’s a threat.

As someone who was closer to this concept than you’ll ever be I can tell you that Korea, Viet Nam, Noriega and Saddam Hussein WERE INDEED a threat. Note I use the word “were”.

You erally don’t know as much as you think you do. I was pretty much in the thick of it while you and your uninformed friends were back in the good ol’ USA doing nothing.

I wasn’t a ground-pounder either. I saw (perhaps too much of) “The Big Picture”.

Sad news for you: The average American can’t program their VCR/DVD recorder. The average American can’t do simple math. The average American doesn’t have a clue about world history or even current events, never mind international affairs. We’re 17th in the world in education.

I love America, but American voters (the minority that actually vote) elected this country’s leadership, which is the only explanation for the left-wing’s limp-wristed “leadership” of Congress.

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