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How absolutely bizarre!

Why no description of the attacker?

[...] really is a long and very boring ride across the Canadian plains, but there is no call for this sort of thing:”A passenger traveling on a bus across Canada’s vast Western plains stabbed, gutted and decapitated [...]

Great job letting your fellow passengers be butchered there, eh? There were 37 people on the bus (probably at least half of them men), and nobody bothered to try to overpower the one guy with a knife? Everybody just runs away. Awesome.

This story has PROZAC or another similar drug written ALL over it…

I hope they start at the toes with this guy and let him watch as hes is dismembered. Agreed with above, where were all the good Samaritans?? If he was stabbed 50 – 60 times, wouldn’t someone be able to distract him somewhere after the 5th stabbing?? Pussies!

You Canadian pussies. Fight for something once in your pathetic lives.

I can’t believe how many pussies were on the bus..is this indicative of all Canadians? A fellow passenger is being stabbed and decapitated and none of the other passengers comes to his defense? You just stand there and watch? What a bunch of self-absorbed asshole wimps! Unbelievable.

If something like this happened in the U.S. you would have had at least 5 other passengerss grab the nutcase throw him on the ground and hold him till police came. Un-friggin-believable. Now I know why I have no interest in going to Canada.

What a hero! He saw a passenger being stabbed and screaming in horror, so he ran to the front of the bus and told the driver to stop and for everybody to get off, not once trying to stop the attack. Everybody that did nothing will have to wash the victims blood from their own hands.

When you outlaw guns, people will resort to using knives.

I seriously can’t believe how much a pussy the guy in this video is. He’s sitting right in front of the friggin guy…watching him stab a sleeping man…and he runs IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION to the front of the bus doing NOTHING to help the guy.

Common sense says you grab the attackers arm and try and get him to drop the knife. Un-fucking-believable how selfish and wimpy these canadians are. And then you wonder why you live in the U.S.’s shadow. This is why. No balls. No morals. No one you can depend on. Nice job showing your true colors to the world dumbass. I hope you sleep well knowing you could have helped stop this butcher from killing a sleeping man. What an ass.

Glad I don’t live in Canada. Where I come from people would at least try to stop the crazy attacker instead of just leaving someone to die. What a pathetic excuse for humanity…. if they saw a guy raping a little kid would they just watch that happen too?

Jacques, guns are not outlawed in Canada.

“Bus Buddies”

No, this isn’t about Prozac. It’s about a black Muslim attacking and decapitating a white man.

Dan, Canada is anti-gun and has some of the most restrictive gun laws short of a total gun ban. What anti-gun nations have seen, repeatedly, is a rise in knife attacks. Every time.

Dan:

So if I was traveling on a Greyhound Bus in Canada, would I be able to have my loaded Glock 17 with me, like I legally can do here in the US?

I think not.

Listen to the TV report & the interview with the witness. Did any of them show any sympathy or condolences for the family of the guy killed?

I didn’t hear the witness even remotely suggest that anyone tried to stop the attacker… playing devil’s advocate, though, consider:

(1) the attacker was on the back of the bus; unless you were nearby him, getting to him was probably nearly impossible once the evacuation order was issued and everyone started running (now, how is it the guy walked to the front to alert the bus driver? didn’t the screams alert the bus driver?)

(2) this was a BUS, not an airplane, so the other passengers had a ready means of escape, which likely reduced their desire to fight

(3) it can reasonably be assumed, from the sound of the brutality, that the viction was a goner probably before anyone but the few people right near him could have helped; assuming no one else was immediately in danger, getting away from the assailant was probably the first thing on everyone’s mind

Come on, this is obviously a poor guy who couldn’t get treated in Canada’s underfunded mental health care system. He is just an example of why you Canadians need to raise your taxes and put your oil wealth into healthcare. Its just not fair.

All he needs a hug and a loving, welfare funded home and he will be all better..

Do you really know it was a black muslim? My first thought was muslim or crazy white guy, but I never thought crazy muslim.

Why are there so few operative details in the story?

They have told us far less then they know.

Maybe they should ban knives in Canada!

Gee, self righteous, Right Wing Americans are so brave…and so delusional! Here are two of my favorite comments about this story, “If something like this happened in the U.S. you would have had at least 5 other passengers grab the nutcase throw him on the ground and hold him till police came” and, “Where I come from people would at least try to stop the crazy attacker instead of just leaving someone to die”.

Really? I seem to recall several recent situations where a woman died in a hospital emergency room while people walked around her and where an elderly gentleman was struck by a car and no one bothered to help him get out of the street. And these cases did NOT involve someone committing violence. You constantly see videos where someone is getting the snot beaten out of him/her by a group of thugs or some adult is beating a child in public. Guess what? NO ONE intervenes. And you think that someone here in the good old US of A is going to confront a guy with a knife? Yeah, right!

Can almost guarantee he was a muslim, can anyone site any examples of someone from the west, black, white, hispanic, or any other race that resorts to beheading? I’ve never heard of it happening anywhere, by anyone, except those from the middle east muslim faith.

I agree, for us americans to say they would have stood up in the face of danger is laughable, however with that said…..Canada is probably more liberal than the US is on punishment for crimes, and the fact that someone like this is allow to walk among you…..someone had to know this nutjob….someone!

it is sad….we need to start brutally punishing people to send a message…..guarantee this guy is eating well and loving life behind bars

No, Jaquette, you CANNOT legally carry a loaded Glock on any public bus service in the USA.

Get back to us when you get out of 3rd grade, moron.

Jacques LeDuc: “So if I was traveling on a Greyhound Bus in Canada, would I be able to have my loaded Glock 17 with me, like I legally can do here in the US?”

At least you admit you are a selfish bastard that would do nothing Airwick….be proud buddy!

You recall several situations? Wow!
Nothing about the hundreds of thousands of times each year when legally armed citizens prevent crimes (the DOJ estimates up to 2 million times a year).
But the American media hide these stories because it interferes with their anti-gun agenda.
And a woman in an emergency room should have been treated by medical personal…this is apples and oranges.
Another point…this is a murder taking place in plain view. If a witness is defenseless and outnumbered it’s one thing. This is a case of dozens of people doing nothing against ONE assailant. Group cowardice, thanks to the Canadian education system.

Doesn’t sound like a Muslim crazy.

Why does everyone assume that the attacker was a Muslim? Jeffrey Dahmer wasn’t a Muslim and he not only cut off the heads of his victims, he KEPT the heads. This guy is just nuts; religion has nothing to do with it.

I agree with Loo – How could the other passengers just sit and watch them stab this guy over and over and NOT DO ANYTHING about it. I hope they feel guilty!!

I think the attacker watched one too many horror movies. Sounds like what you’d see in Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street.

Well or course everyone on a bus beheaded somewhere.

The attacker probably watched that movie “Jeepers Kreepers II”. In it the evil dude traps these kids on a bus and then grabs this young guy and takes his head off.

No description of the attacker?? That practically guarantees he was a Muslim

No defense? That practically guarantees that it happened in Canada or France

AIRWICK you are an AIRHEAD. What part of Muslims or terrorism don’t you understand??

Sorry Mike, the “several situations” of which I was referring just happened recently. There have been numerous cases over the years where people have been assaulted in public and no one bothered to intervene—even if that intervention was nothing more than making a phone call to police. Here is a case that occurred recently in the Queens, New York. “Suddenly, the man overtook her and grabbed her. She screamed. Residents of nearby apartment houses turned on their lights and threw open their windows. The woman screamed again: “Oh, my God, he stabbed me! Please help me!”
A man in a window shouted: “Let that girl alone.” The attacker walked away. Apartment lights went out and windows slammed shut. The victim staggered toward her apartment. But the attacker returned and stabbed her again.

“I’m dying!” she cried.

Windows opened again. The attacker entered a car and drove away. Windows closed, but the attacker soon came back again. His victim had crawled inside the front door of an apartment house at 82-62 Austin St. He found her sprawled on the floor and stabbed her still again. This time he killed her.

It was not until 3:50 that morning — March 13, 1964 — that a neighbor of the victim called police. Officers arrived two minutes later and found the body.”

Unfortunately this occurs too frequently. There is reluctance in our society to “get involved”. This is why the case of the woman in the Emergency Room applies and is not “apples and oranges”. No one wanted to get involved and this case did not include the risk of confronting someone who is armed.

What a hockey puck!

Note to self….never get stabbed in Canada…no one will help you!

At least in the States…fellow Americans help each other. This guy gets up and tells the bus driver someone is getting stabbed. WTF!

Grow a pair ya embryo! Geez…the guys being stabbed, you might wanna stop that…dang! Effing , lazy asses.

You people are too judgemental. You know very little of the details surrounding this incident. You say you would have attacked a knife-weilding stranger in the close confines of a dark moving bus. Yeah right! Keep on saying that and maybe you will eventually believe it GOD REST THE SOUL OF THAT POOR VICTIM. I hope he expired quickly and did not feel any pain. My condolences to his love ones.

Sorry, yougogirl, wouldn’t want to be judgmental or anything…

Ever hear of FLIGHT 93???

Ever hear of an entire group of people running off while someone gets butchered to death??

I’m sure there was no pain. Getting stabbed 50 times with a hunting knife and then decapitated and GUTTED like an animal really doesn’t hurt.

You’re weak and worthless like AIRWICK.

The reference to Jeffry Dalmer is not the same thing. He drugged and dismembered his victims in the “privacy” of his appartment. Everyone knows he was nuts. Beheading someone in “public” has extremist muslim written all over it! You can find any number of videos these extremists film of beheadings, like Richard Pearl. They are not nuts in the same way as Dalmer, they’re wanting you to fear them!

Olddog – I was going to make that same point earlier.

The comparison is ridiculous. ONE non-muslim in history does it and that equates an entire way of life for millions of Muslims.

(By the way he was also having a gay relationship with Dahmer, and Dahmer paid the price for it – he got whacked in prison)

Go to michealsavage.com and view the beheading of American Nick Berg, among others.

If this guy is NOT a Muslim, I will be totally shocked!

hey airwick, or retard canadian, a shooting at a church and before the guy could shoot more then two people he was tackled and held till police came.
Canadians are gutless cowards, who use the the USA military to protect them. Worthless people.

“Did they get counseling?” My hell what a bunch of wuss asses.

WHY is the world so full of SICK SICK SICK VIOLENT AHOLES who are destroying the quality of life for the rest of us? WHY are so many societies AFRAID to go ahead and use the DEATH PENALTY to send these perverts back to HELL where they belong? Maybe if they KNOW they’ll be HUNG or LETHAL-INJECTED, they’ll think twice before they harm others!

And WHAT does “ABORIGINAL in appearance” mean???? Was the guy BLACK or what???

TD,
Simply pointing out to you “I would have stopped it” types that this is not what typically happens in this country does not make someone “weak”. I am not saying you SHOULDN’T help, I am saying that too many Americans WOULD NOT help and that includes a lot of the “brave” individuals posting on this site. And this includes making a simple phone call and not actively intervening. This is a well known phenomenon and people have been trying to explain it for years. Perhaps it’s the price we pay for living in a congested, impersonal society but the fact is this happens far too often in THIS country. Sorry to rain on your “Americans wouldn’t do that” parade.

http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/story.html?id=5e5e949c-989a-47f7-86da-53801510af24

More details in above story.

“ABORIGINAL in HIP-HOP CLOTHING”???
WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU??????

(That he was BLACK and Canadians use POLITICALLY CORRECT B.S. to avoid saying so???)

Yet another reason not to Go Greyhound.

Sounds like premeditated decapitation. I noted the witness said the fellow had been at the front of the bus and had moved to the back of the bus after a stop. Like maybe he had picked his victim or was trying to get in the back where there would be less interference. And he did carry the knife on board, so I don’t think he “suddenly snapped”. Probably waited till he felt his fellow passengers were assleep to begin the assault. Whatever the case, it is plenty gruesome.

Gee, my Senior Drill Instructor at Parris Island was a Canadian and he had two combat tours in Viet Nam. He went TWICE and it wasn’t even his country’s war. This “Canadians are all pussies” mindset by wannabe “heroes” like TD and Bob show how ignorant they really are. Read some history, boys—World War I, World War II, and other conflicts have had Canadians perform bravely in action. They are no worse or better than we are.

AirWEAK,

You’re obviously projecting your own traits on to every brave American.

It’s pretty clear that YOU wouldn’t help or try to defend your fellow man.

America IS the home of the brave. That is why we have to do YOUR fighting.

My father-in-law happened to have been on a bus in Kansas City after 911 and was interviewed on 20/20 for subduing an attacker with a knife.

By the way, you’re making reference to both countries. If you’re not American, don’t pose.

Just the description of “aboriginal” alone is weak. They’re so worried about offending someone with the truth.

How can these retarded YANKS!! think all Canadians would react this way?? Talk about the “self absorbed AMERICANS” who think they know everything. Canada is still 100 times safer than that GHETO country who has gun holding fools everywhere. NO WONDER THE REST OF THE WORLD CANT STAND YOUR COUNTRY!!!! You guys are so tough and always have something to prove. (must be small where it counts)Take your Guns and go invade another country.

I am sshamed of the so called ‘Americans’ that post on here. THEY are the real sick COWARDS!

Dont think so?

2 YEARS ago, a female AMERICAN soldier was beaten, raped, mutilated, and set on FIRE by her fellow AMERICAN soldiers.

The Army called it ’suicide’

Do ANY of you proud, strong, American ‘patriots’ have anything to say about that?
Have you done ANYthing?

DO YOU CARE?

Rove and Bush have filled you so full of hate you blather like idiots, hate everyone else and everything you dont perceive as ‘American’
and it makes me so ashamed.

AirWEAK,

Don’t try to further BS anybody by pretending that you were ever in the service.

You’re talking about events from 60 years ago. Has Canada supported us lately?

Let’s talk about Canada today. In Iraq NO, & and a tiny handful in Afghanistan. As a people and as a nation as a whole, definitely NOT.

Besides I NEVER characterized everyone in the country, just the people on the bus and YOU.

Being hated says much more about those who hate us than it does about US.

Polls in Mexico show great contempt for America. That is why close to 1/3 of the country has illegally entered the United States to be a part of it.

Germany, France & England have all recently leaders who are very pro-US. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Not a single person had a gun to stop the guy or to protect themselves! They could all have been wiped out! Then the witness “watches” about fifty stabs of the guy before thinking he might want to calmly tell the driver! Then they all hang around outside and run in circles around the bus while the guy comes to get them! Then the police arrive and try to have a nice little Canadian style chat with the man, eh? I presume the victim was then brought to the nearest health center for the vaunted free Canadian health care system to ask him “Ok, now what seems to be the problem?”, then told to have a seat and expected to take two weeks to give him a band aid. Gotta love those take-charge Canadians! If that had been America and the Muslim style nut began that little game, the victim might not have been saved the first few stab wounds, but there would have been some Muslim flavored pizza shapes all over the back window of the bus! Hasn’t the world has enough of these guys?

ANN,

Did 50 people stand by and watch it?

Rove & Bush??? Talk about hate. Most liberals can’t even mention our president without preceding his name with the phrase “I hate”.

Im all for gun rights, but I dont want anyone carrying one on the bus I am on.

Still, it would have been easy to subdue this guy.

AirWEAK (probably TD or Bob),
I am not projecting anyone’s “traits” on to every “brave” American. I am simply stating facts. Americans have an unfortunate history of ignoring their fellow Americans in distress. People like your father-in-law are the exception, not the rule. The reason he was interviewed was probably because it was unusual for someone to place himself in jeopardy, not the converse. What makes you think that I wouldn’t help my fellow man? I am not saying that people should not get involved; I am saying that too often in this country NO ONE does. Cases where people are ignored while screaming for help occur far too frequently. People SHOULD help whenever they can. For some reason they do not. I am not Canadian (not that this makes a difference) and have already served my time in the military (USMC) and gone to war (Viet Nam, 1969-1970). What outfit were you in?

TD,
Why should they “support us” in Iraq? This is our mess. WE got into it, not THEM, and we have to get out of it. By what screwy standard are Canadians beholden to the US so that they feel obliged to send troops to fix OUR problems. We went into Iraq over the objections of many of our allies. Now that WE broke it, WE have to fix it, not them.

AirWEAK,

What are you talking about?? Almost EVERY time there is violence of this nature in the US, there is heroism to go along with it. (Flight 93, Hello???)

I’m talking about this particular incident. You cannot name a single similar event where people in the United States stood by to watch something so horrific. And with a knife no less. We’re not talking about a semi-automatic here. That is what is shocking about the story.

At Virginia Tech, people died trying to help others. Americans do it all the time.

Speak for YOURSELF!

That’s unbelievable. So the only time we help our friends is when it affects us?

If it affects our friends it affects US doesn’t it???

And you wonder why I have no doubt you would have ran off that bus like the rest of them?

Newsflahs: Muslim terror is not only simply our problem by the way. It is probably an even bigger problem in Canada since they have so many.

Nice logic. I will strongly advocate not ever helping Canadians if they ever request help from us and we’re not directly affected.

(Let’s just stop supporting Taiwan & Israel too while we’re at it)

Patriot,

I just gave you an example earlier where people stood by and did nothing. Here it is again.

Here is a case that occurred recently in the Queens, New York. “Suddenly, the man overtook her and grabbed her. She screamed. Residents of nearby apartment houses turned on their lights and threw open their windows. The woman screamed again: “Oh, my God, he stabbed me! Please help me!”
A man in a window shouted: “Let that girl alone.” The attacker walked away. Apartment lights went out and windows slammed shut. The victim staggered toward her apartment. But the attacker returned and stabbed her again.

“I’m dying!” she cried.

Windows opened again. The attacker entered a car and drove away. Windows closed, but the attacker soon came back again. His victim had crawled inside the front door of an apartment house at 82-62 Austin St. He found her sprawled on the floor and stabbed her still again. This time he killed her.

It was not until 3:50 that morning — March 13, 1964 — that a neighbor of the victim called police. Officers arrived two minutes later and found the body.”

“Almost EVERY time there is violence of this nature in the US, there is heroism to go along with it.” I agree. However, too often this is not the case. Passengers on Flight 93 may have tried to retake the aircraft before it went down but there was no recorded attempt of the other passengers on the other planes that day to retake control or stop the hijackers. Flight crew members were killed BEFORE the planes were seized and used as flying bombs. No one stopped them. Hello???

It’s one thing to say that you will perform heroically when a situation arises; it is something else to do so when you face an unexpected crisis or come under fire. The passengers on this bus SHOULD have tried to intervene. The fact that they didn’t is because they were not up to the crisis and couldn’t deal with it, not because they were Canadian.

Will you people stop your silly bickering about Canada v USA and post about the murder and the details?

Thank you!

One reason some Americans refuse to “get involved”, and this has only been in the last 40 years, is our friends at the ACLU. God forbid an attacker gets injured by someone trying to help the victim. They will be sued for everything they have by a bleeding heart liberal lawyer. Especially if the criminal is a minority.

Hey, Why Should They,

I doubt that Canadians need or will need our “help”. While we are at it, when DID we ever “help” them with anything”?

The Canadians have a “bigger” Muslim terror problem than we do? How so? When was the last (or first ) time you heard of a Muslim terrorist attacking Canadians?

By the way, if I was on the bus when this guy attacked the passenger, I would have tried to stop it. I would have picked up your purse while you were wetting your panties and clubbed him senseless with it.

Airwick July 31st, 2008 – 5:37 pm :

Why do you post the same history twice?

And why do you say it is recent? It happened in 1964 and her name was Kitty Genovese – which I doubt you knew.

Stay on the topic,
These bozos could can less about the facts in this case. They already figured it out. A Muslim terrorist murdered and decapitated a passenger on a bus while the cowardly Canadian public who go to Socialist schools, have socialized medicine, and are too chicken to go to war ran away. Let’s not confuse the issue with facts!

Us US Americans, on the other hand, would never do that!

Alright AirWEAK I’m done w/you. It’s foolish to argue with people who defend both sides of an issue.

The plane argument is weak just like you. Hijackers typically have bombs which would have been stupid and killed everybody.
Never before have planes been crashed into buildings so no one could have foreseen it coming.

And then you reference one obscure example that no one has ever heard of in a high crime area.

You just got done saying that Canada SHOULD NOT help us with “Our” problem (which is just as much their problem if not more) but people SHOULD help others when they’re in danger. (Apparently just not the US)

You have the disease so many (Anti) Americans have today – complete ignorance and self loathing of our great country.

You’re beneath further contempt.

Yet another reason mass transit is only used when people are forced to. You never know what type of scumbag you’re stuck with.

These posts are funny, though the murder isn’t.
Attack AIRWICK for pointing out the truth, but it is the truth.
Before Rosa Parks sat in the front of the bus in Montgomery AL a soldier in uniform, Thomas Edward Brooks, was murdered by a Montgomery police office for entering the bus from the front door instead of the back door as Blacks were required to do. The police called the clubbing and shooting of Brooks “self-defense” by the officer. Of course, the whole bus of whites rose to defend Brooks… if you believe the posters here.
In Antwerp a boy was stomped to death on a crowded bus while passangers sat and watched.
In bBoston a teen was shot in the chest on a bus while passengers did nothing to stop his assailent.
In Baltimore, Diane Kreager was beaten horribly by nine Black teens when she boarded and tried to sit down on an MTA bus. She had broken bones and major brusing and swelling while her boyfriend had only minor injuries. The teens then threw her off the bus and left her lying injured. Baltimore police have not classified this as a hate crime yet.
At least a half dozen murders have happened on London buses and several in Ireland as well as India, Columbia and many other contries where bus travel is the primary means of travel.
What is worse is that murders at bus STOPS are 50-100 times more frequent than on buses themselves.

The point of all of this is that we don’t have the details of how this occurred, if anyone could have saved this person’s life and how many of the people on the bus actually knew what was going on.

As to the chance of being murdered in Canada, all of you gun owners ought to know that the rate of murder in Canada by ANY means is 149 people per 10 million population while in the USA it is 428 per 10 million. So you have almost 3 times more of a chance of being murdered here in the USA as you do in Canada.
In fact, there are SIX times as many firearms deaths per 10 million people in the USA as there are murders in Canada (about 950 per 10 million gun deaths of all kinds in the USA). So twice as many people die from firearms as there are total people murdered in the USA. That same ratio exsists in Cabada with about 300 people per 10 million dying from all gunshot wounds.
What that says is that guns either accidentaly or deliberately (suicide) kill far more people than they save. In fact almost two people commit suicide alone for every one killed by a gun in a homicide. That doesn’t even count accidental deaths or other causes of gun deaths.

As to using more knives if gun laws are stricter, BS.
Texas has about the most liberal gun laws in the USA yet the percentage of crimes committed using knives is 15.5% which ranks it 19th while Illinois has pretty strict gun laws and yet crimes committed using knives is only 8.3% which ranks it 47th. Vermont, which has the same rules of ownership and carrying as Texas is ranked 1st in knife crimes at 43.8%!

That’s right, a BIGGER problem. Canada has many more Muslims as a percentage of the population than the US does.

It has a much looser immigration system (if that’s possible) that allows foreigners to overstay visas and enter illegally from known terrorist countries.

And, not the least of all by any stretch, Canada currently allows Shariah law to be practiced in some communities.

Canada may need our help yet, it won’t be long.

By the way, they have basically no army to speak of. So exactly who would defend them if they went to war?

Those are all separate issues I’m afraid.

Owning a handgun allows you to level the playing field and DEFEND YOURSELF.

Obviously, self defense was a foreign concept to everyone on that bus. Since you can’t legally own a handgun in Canada you can’t properly defend yourself against someone who does.

(A tip – if you limit your post to 1000 words or less, somebody might actually read it)

Daphne,
The reason that I repeated the account was because TD had obviously not read it the first time. You are correct. This is an account of the Genovese murder. I stand corrected. I should not have said that it was a “recent” case. It should be noted, however, that ten years after that murder, 25-year-old Sandra Zahler was beaten to death early Christmas morning in an apartment of the building which overlooked the site of the Genovese attack. Neighbors again said they heard screams and “fierce struggles” but did nothing. My point is that this is not an unusual phenomenon and occurs regardless of one’s nationality. Sometimes it takes time to “do the right thing” and people either are unprepared to act or don’t want to get involved.

I’ve been reading all the examples of gun crimes, beatinigs, knifings, ect. Have yet to hear ONE example of a beheading anywhere in the western hemisphere that wasn’t done by a muslim extremist. Crimes are commited everyday here and in Canada and the reasons for those crimes are never political or to instill fear in the public. Until I hear just one example of that type of terrorist crime, you aren’t comparing apples to apples! And please don’t use Tim McVeigh as that example, he wasn’t trying to “topple” the public, he was trying to topple our government that he saw as oppressive. Not defending him by any means, but to compare him to a muslim terrorist is ignorant.

Taking bets, a Methodist or a Baptist?

[...] Breitbert.tv is reporting that a passenger on a bus in Canada attacked a fellow passenger with a large hunting knife, stabbed him perhaps 50 or 60 times, gutted him and cut off his head. The link to Breitbart.tv is a telephone interview with a passenger that witnessed the horrifying event and is very graphic. What would make a man go from calm and harmless to a robotic killer in just moments? [...]

Wow,

This is truly a bizarre situation. But the more I read these folks remarks on here, the I more I realize just how truly desperate and pathetic our educational system has become. Mostly Right wing wackos in favor of “no child left behind” no doubt.

This country has gone to the toilet for the past 8 years and the remarks on here show it!

All you idiots claiming Muslim crap! Obviously brainwashed by the far Right and Fox news! Jesus, live life without constant fear you bunch of self richeous Hillbilly goobers!

March 13, 1964 —warwick 43 years ago?! what an idiot, and your a woman, not a dude, the USMC.
give us your real name and we can all look it up to see if you served.
You would do nothing. what a bitach.

WHAT is an “ABORIGINAL IN HIP-HOP CLOTHING?”

Can someone please explain *WHAT* THE HE11 THIS *THING* WAS that killed & beheaded that poor fellow on the bus???

It sounds like a BLACK MUSLIM–merely from the description “aboriginal in hip-hop” and from the KNIFE THAT CUT OFF A HUMAN BEING’S HEAD!!!

*AMERICANS* do not behead people! (Canadians are Americans, too, you know.) This was CLEARLY not an American or Canadian. So *WHAT* the HE11 WAS IT?

And while on the topic, WHY are the formerly (primarily) WHITE EUROPEAN NATIONS being *invaded* by AGGRESSIVE Muslims and other UNdesirables, and WHY are they permitting it?????? Similar problems are happening in U.K., Netherlands, Denmark, etc.

HOW DUMB ARE THESE NATIONS, to open their doors and let these PRIMITIVES in, to run amok and kill folks????? WHAt will it take to wise up these naive nations that OPEN BORDERS is a truly STUPID and DANGEROUS POLICY?!

Olddog,
Here are a few examples that I located for you where individuals were beheaded.

In Mexico, Central, and South America (currently)—Suspected drug smugglers have dumped the beheaded or mutilated bodies of five people around the Mexican capital in recent days in what appear to be revenge killings for a cocaine seizure at the airport.
The severed heads of two men who worked for a private customs firm were found near Mexico City airport on Saturday while their bodies appeared just outside the city.
One of the heads had an index finger stuffed in its mouth and the other had a finger in its ear.

VILLA MADERO, Mexico — The drug lords at war in central Mexico are no longer content with simply killing their enemies. They are putting their severed heads on public display.

In Michoacan, the home state of President-elect Felipe Calderon, 17 heads have turned up this year, many with bloodstained notes like the one found in the highlands town of Tepalcatepec in August: “See. Hear. Shut Up. If you want to stay alive.”

In the United States—Detroit, Michigan (AP) — A teenager convicted of killing a man, then beheading him and setting fire to his body in what prosecutors called a thrill killing was sentenced Monday to life in prison without parole. Jean Pierre Orlewicz, 18, didn’t speak before being sentenced to the mandatory term. “I am grateful that you are going away for the rest of your life, because in my view I believe you will kill again,” Wayne County Circuit Court Judge Annette Berry said.
Orlewicz was convicted last month of first-degree murder in the November 7, 2007 slaying of Daniel Sorensen, 26, in Canton Township.

Also, in the US, Adam John Walsh (November 14, 1974 – c. July 27, 1981) was an American boy abducted from a Sears department store at the Hollywood Mall in Hollywood, Florida, on July 27, 1981, and later found murdered. Though convicted serial killer Ottis Toole confessed to the boy’s murder, he was never tried for the crime. His father is now host of America’s Most Wanted.

Finally, in the US—Danny Rolling began his burglary and robbery spree in Florida, which culminated in the murders of five people in Gainesville. His signature was to arrange the bodies in such a way as to highlight the carnage in the rooms — this even included setting up several mirrors and decapitating and/or posing his victims. Rolling was executed by lethal injection on October 25, 2006.

I am sure that there are more examples if one takes the time to search for them. None of these people are Muslims, just sick individuals who want to heighten the horror of their crimes.

Hey, Bob when were you in the Marines? If you want I can describe the layout of Parris Island or Chu Lai, Viet Nam. Can you?

The date of Genovese murder is less important than the fact that it did occur and other, similar incidents have occurred since then. But I suppose you will not address that and focus on the date instead.

By the way the contraction for “you are” is “you’re”, not “your”. For example: You’re an uneducated, Right Wing moron; your NeoCompoop Conservative party is on its way out! Hopes this helps. I realize that third grade grammar was tough for some people.

…I mean Jimbo.

You’re a coward. Most liberals are because they only attack those that will do them no harm like conservatives.

When the Muslims come after Americans they’ll be coming for the liberals first, their biggest defenders. And who will stand up, you got it, those wicked people on the right who watch Foxnews.

Grow a pair.

The people sitting on their asses typing calling this man and the passengers a coward, you can… well, you know what you can do.

He went back with two others to guard the door and provide security for the survivors.

Going from total civilian sitting on a bus to seeing a horrific blood show in front of you with an armed 6′ man calmly killing someone to instant Rambo is hardly likely.

Seriously, you people calling these normal decent people cowards make me puke.

Oh, and to the people who referenced the undoubtedly brave actions of the passengers on Flight 93.

Note well, they acted and fought (as a group) when they realized there was no other chance of survival and also note, they had to work up their courage.

They were civilians, not highly trained warriors.

Incidentally, Bob, I believe that I already stated that I would have tried to stop this guy. I stated that “if I was on the bus when this guy attacked the passenger, I would have tried to stop it. I would have picked up your (referring to, Why Should They) purse while you were wetting your panties and clubbed him senseless with it.”

If his purse was unavailable I would use yours (correct usage of the word).

Of course this argument is academic. No one knows how he/she would react if you were unfortunate enough to witness such a horrible crime. We would like to think that we would “do the right thing”, but would we? It is a natural human response to recoil and flee from a horrific scene. I hope that I would do the right thing and try to help but, until that unfortunate situation occurs, I don’t know what I would do. Neither, of course, do you. Hope you never have to find out.

Maybe the guy was a goner. Maybe he couldn’t have been saved. But, did he have to die watching his fellow human beings rushing AWAY from him? There are public schools in the US that hire trainers to come in and train the kids how to defend themselves against a terrorist invasion of their class ropm. They are taught to throw anything, and everything at the perp. and to ram all their desks at him.

Before you start laughing, remember that terrorists intend to kill EVERYONE in the room, school, whatever it is. Beslan. At Virginia Tech some students did curl up to die, but others TOOK ACTION, and saved their own lives, and others’ lives. The point is, the kids are trained NOT to be victims. And the figure for AMERICANS stopping crimes — often without even having to fire their weapon — is well OVER 2,000,000 by hundreds of thousands.

ONE little old lady with a pistol could very likely have ended that bus atrocity. But potential perps KNOWING that on any bus with 30 people on it there is very likely going to be at least one armed citizen READY, WILLING, AND ABLE TO KILL any murderous perp will do far more to prevent this kind of crap. That is NOT mere conjecture; it is statistical fact, as any honest reading of state, and city crime statistics AND the relevant gun laws already show over, and over, and over again. THAT is why you don’t get the straight story from the media. It doesn’t fit their mindset, or agenda.

If you train children, as we do in the state of Massatwocents, that WINNING a soccer game is BAAAD, then you’ll get citizens who think fighting back is bad. Look at yourselves, Canada, and idiot Americans.

There’s a great scene in The Bodyguard where Kevin Costner, the bodyguard quits protecting Whitney Houston’s character. He says, “I can’t protect someone who doesn’t want to save their own life!” or words very close to that.

I don’t think Canadian Capt. Nicola Goddard would have run from that guy with the knife. Do you?

Are you allowed to have concealed weapons in churches in Canada? Because they make mighty juicy targets, people trapped in all those pews. But if you’ve got just ONE armed woman, like Jeanne Assam, with balls, then you save lives. Every week in the U.S. little old ladies — or men — kill, wound, confront and hold for police, or simply scare off criminals, but you do NOT hear about it in any but the local media, and sometimes not even there. But the word gets out.

To say that NOBODY could do anything, because EVERYbody was running away is not an excuse, it is the PROBLEM.

“Obviously, self defense was a foreign concept to everyone on that bus. Since you can’t legally own a handgun in Canada you can’t properly defend yourself against someone who does.”

Shy Girl, far be it for me to call a girl stupid, so I’ll let your ill-formed thoughts stand on their own.

Part of self-defense is putting distance between yourself and a killer where possible. It isn’t the only option, but in this case it was an effective one.

Arwick,

You said:

“It is a natural human response to recoil and flee from a horrific scene.”

No, it is not. NO, it is NOT. This is liberal BS. EVERY DAY police, fire, rescue people, AND just ordinary citizens run IN to burning buildings, IN to gunfire, IN to dangerous situations to save , or try to, people they don’t even know. We lost HUNDREDS of emergency services people, and ordinary citizens who ran INTO the burning buildings, the Pentagon, or rushed the terrorists.

Airwick, you’ve been taught absolute crap if you believe that “It is a natural human response to recoil and flee from a horrific scene.”

What I want to know, what I hope you will consider, is WHY do you believe that?

Running Away??

That’s priceless. That’s your idea of self defense??

Were you on the bus?

Bill Smith, YOU are stupid.

“It is a natural human response to recoil and flee from a horrific scene.”

Yes, that is OBVIOUSLY a natural human response. In fact, it’s one of two.

Fight or flight. Ever hear of it?

“That’s your idea of self defense??”

Yes, “Distance”, it is. It’s certainly one of them. No less than soldiers and police have often used it where appropriate.

This man fled the instant shock and horror, alerted others to flee, then returned with two other hastily armed men to guard the door and keep the man contained.

Seriously, you’re such a jerk.

Would fighting have been appropriate? Absolutely, especially for someone educated and trained for that. Are you?

How much time every day do you devote to preparing yourself to handle that situation. Because in my case, I could actually give you a number.

This man’s not a coward. He wouldn’t have known how to fight the armed man with a knife without any weapon in his hand anyway. He wouldn’t have had a clue and there would have been at least two casualties.

But, your ass sitting in your seat shows great courage and you appear to be thinking with it too.

This is SOOOOOOOO unbelieveable at all levels. I am not sure what is MOST SCHOCKING: The rampant PC-ization of the suspect profile; the total senseless and dehumanzed nature of this monster; or the utter and plain colective covardice of 47 people. And you Americans are totally right. If this was in the US, this due would have 5 people over him after 3 minutes, a helicopter woud have flown him to the nearest lvl1 trauma center, after a nurse, paramedic or doctor would have stabilized him. Also if the first stab had stopped his heart, it is quite likely he still would have had electrical activity in his heart and an AED would have schocke him back to life. I worked in an ER in Chicago where we treated people that were stabbed 10 times and they survived. It is RARE for one or two stabs to kill the average adult.
And to the cowardly canadians, I can assure you that if this had happened in Russia, the guy would be allive and immobilized, but beaten to pulp ASAP. In the states, the same would have hppened, except that the attaker would be famous and soon enough suing Greyhound for something. Anyways, my American brothers are more gentle-hearted.

Bah, a knife, give me a break, what a bunch of whimps!!

Ivan, you’re stupid too.

One more thing:

When Europe will collapse and Canada soon will follow, it will be the USA that will save these lousy ppl AGAIN.

Russia will be fine, closing itself off, but they arent so self-destructive as to help people in dire needs that later spit them in the face.

This is what I don’t get with amerians: Why do you keep helping everybody thathates you??

Airwick, your examples are well taken, however still not comparing apples to apples. In the case of the “drug thugs”, they are acting in the interests of their business, not their religous beliefs. They are trying to intimidate anyone who would put them out of business. As to the other examples, just plain insane, “Dahmer like” crazy, again not done for religous beliefs.
These radical muslims want to kill anyone who doesn’t believe as they do. Is that so hard to understand? Have you ever read the Koran? It’s pretty clear what their agenda is.

And Ivan, when I say stupid, I don’t just mean wrong, I mean stupid. “5 people on him after 3 minutes.”

3 minutes. Fat lot of good that would do. And a knife is a superior weapon to a gun at close range anyway.

IF you ever imagine you would deal with this situation, you must prepare yourself to react to it instantly. It should take less than a second for you to be in any state to moving in powerful decisive action.

Few people, including soldiers, have this level of training.

Chris

might not be as smart as you, but even after a bottle of vodka, I would have been more useful to prreserve security than you.

I would feel safer with two americans with waterguns, than 50 Canadians with AK-47’s.. (The latter would probably shoot themselves in the foot, or pretend they were dead).

Chris, sorry meant three seconds and 50 people.

Knife is SUPERIOR to gun at close range, hahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa.

How much space do you need for stabbing? How much space do I need to pull the trigger on that Tokarev?! If I sent you into close-combat trenches, would you prefer a bowie-nife or a glock?!
But how would you know, having seen either in your life.

christoph,

I stand by what I said, and I learned all I need to know about you from what you said here, referring to Flight 93:

“Note well, they acted and fought (as a group) when they realized there was no other chance of survival and also note, they had to work up their courage.”

Acting, and fighting “as a group” is PRECISELY what we’ve been advocating, you idiot.

But what really reveals what you are is this little gem:

“…and also note, they had to work up their courage.”

I see. You were there. You know this. No, idiot, they worked up a P L A N, and it worked. They over-powered the terrorists, and got into the cockpit. Unfortunately, they ran out of altitude, but not courage.

See, christoph, that’s why you had to make your pathetic little dig about them having to work up their courage, something you cannot possibly know.

Well…Canada certainly harbors radical muslims…and takes great pride in that….so it wouldn’t surprise me if he turned out to be one. Having said that….i must agree with a couple of the other posters here. There seems to be a very strange passivity in this mans voice. I can’t put my finger on it exactly…but his entire tone irritates me for some reason. VERY curious.

its funny to see how comments have veered off point, goes to show how people love to “hear themselves talk”

the attacker was a canadian aborigine
canadian aborigines look just like native americans(hint: they re not black and they re not muslims)

for those of you sane people that might read this, please stop feeding the jobless trolls, arguing over situations you ve never even dreamed about while sitting in front of your PC is just plain stupid

“Mr. Caton described the man who attacked the passenger as about six feet tall, 200 pounds, possibly Asian or aboriginal, bald and wearing sunglasses. He seemed oblivious to others when the stabbing occurred, said Mr. Caton, adding he was struck by how calm the man was.”

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=692762

Here he is.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/ap_bus_stabbing_080731_mn.jpg

oh my god i feel sick……. this is so evil, can’t imagine, wtf….this world is so f…ed up!!!

Olddog,
It seems to me that the reason that people indulge in beheading is the finality it imparts—if you remove someone’s head, you KNOW he/she is dead. Historically that is why it was the most common form of execution. Now beheading serves as a means to increase the shock and horror of a killing. The reason the Mexican drug lords do it is the same reason al-Qaeda does—to terrify the opposition and serve as a deterrent. I really don’t think that the al-Qaeda types do it for “religious reasons”; they do it to intimidate and shock.

I am willing to bet that this guy in Canada was just plain nuts with no ulterior motivation.

OMG This is why I will never ride a greyhound again. No screening before people get on and a lot of people that seem to have mental issues.

Shawn,
How many times has this happened on a Greyhound bus? They must send out thousands of buses a day and, unless I am wrong, this is the first case like this. I mean, think about it…what are the odds? The bus is still the best mode of transportation for many people.

Bus passengers are praised for getting off the bus when they could have probably saved the victims life?!
37 against 1, and they all run for it?
What a bunch of cowards.
It’s too bad they other passengers can’t and won’t be prosecuted for their cowardice.
I wish I’d been on that bus. I would have taken that psycho down.
I hope all those cowards are proud of themselves.
If we don’t care enough to try and protect each other, then what’s the point of it all, people?

“As the three guarded the door with a crow bar and a hammer, the attacker went back to the body and calmly came to the front of the bus to show off the head.”

<<< Sooooo….they found a crowbar and hammer and couldn’t have done anything other than guard the door.

“He said the actions of truck driver, bus driver and Caton probably prevented anyone else from being hurt. They “were very brave.”"

<<_<

A bunch of flippin’ idiots on that bus. I guess having a crow bar and hammer on hand, and numerous people, were not enough to overpower 1 man. Pathetic.

You people are all talking out of your collective asses. If you were sitting near a guy with a large hunting knife calmly killing someone you know damn well that you wouldnt go anywhere near him.

Candanian men are pussieess PERIOD

Canadians are very nice people…..there is sick twisted people all over this insane world …..and a lot of mouthpeices who think they are heroes .I have lived in both the usa and canada and its the same shit here as there.
My heart goes out to the family of the victim.

This is what happens when you ban balls, manhood and bravery. Canadians are so passive and cowardly that they could outrun a cheetah if it was about running from danger.

What a bunch of absolute whimps.

Is there death penalty in Canada? If not that is what is sad about this case. The guy will 3 hots and a cot for what? 30 years? Is there even life sentences without parole in Canada?

Ivan you’re right on all fronts. Americans are stupid and naive for our continual outpouring of aid to help the ingrates of the world who turnaround and criticize and hate us.

Airwick, and everybody else who defended the group actions are disgraceful.

When you first hear about this story what immediately jumps out at you is “where was everybody”.

It’s utterly shocking that no one fought back.

Da Tovaritsj.

America is the greatest nation on the planet, but I don’t get it why they keep helping everyone else when they get spat on as thanks (at best).

I bet you if there was an American grandma on board, she would have taken out this dork with a hairpin, but then probably prosecuted afterwards.

This was the moment of truth for canadians. What a bunch of absolute cowards. You guys should keep your head low, eyes to the floor and kneel WHENEVER you talk to another human being, because you are not worthy of any respect.
What a disgrace.
Ivan

Every single person on that bus should be tried and convicted of accessories to murder. Their responses are INEXCUSABLE!

“Police said in a statement Friday that 40-year-old Vince Weiguang Li, of Edmonton, Alberta, has been charged with second-degree murder. Li is due to appear in court Friday.”

<<<< Second degree murder. WTF is wrong with people in Canada?! Second degree murder! If stabbing someone on a bus loaded with people, decapitating him and disembowling him is what it takes to get second degree murder, wtf does it take to get 1st degree murder in Canada! At this rate he’ll be walking out of a Canadian prison in a decade. What a bunch of pussies! Damn!

Trying to strong-arm a madman holding a knife would be the most foolhearty thing you could do. This man did the most sensible thing that could be done, that was getting the other passengers out of harms way. Even if there were 4 to 6 well trained people to help with a coordinated response it would still have been extremly dangerous.
People on drugs, mental patients, and people off their medication have been known to break handcuffs in situations like this.
I worked in a hospital and saw a fellow employee get a broken arm and ribs helping control a patient, it took 6 of us to hold the patient so he could be straped to a gurney.

Yah I remember the all you tough guys on 911,how many airplanes? And you want to talk about pussies, and cowards. Some rag head in a cave has fucked your whole economy, world standing, and we wont even start on Bush. Keep your pesos at home, and eat a dick! The WHOLE world hates you! And how come they dont tell use what he looks like? You know if it was whitey that would be the first thing that came across. 80% chance its a guy from the usa.

What is wrong with you canadians. Isn’t it OBVIOUS that you wouldn’t restrain a patient in a hospital the same way as you would take down an animal like this?!

Have you canadians gone so soft and whimpy that you have forgotten to even defend yourself.

What do canadians do if their family is under threat? Throw them under the bus?

2nd degree murder, AMAZING~!! I guess the police is too scared to excact justice. Again, what a bunch of whimps!!

Waking up to someone cutting the head off a sleeping man has got to freak you out. How many hunting knife slashes to the neck of a sleeping man does it take before you are no help to him anyway? I have heard about people getting sued for helping with first aid,god forbid that man hurt the killers back while stopping him. Its not to hard see from the safty of your living room that getting the people off the bus and keeping him for the cops was the right move. But Canadian haters are right about one thing some puss will let him out of jail way to soon. The good news is they will send him back to the states, after jail and all you big balls Amaricans can kill him for us. Isnt that what you do? You got it all figured out at home, so lets keep going around telling every one what and how to do it. The USA had a good run, now you should build walls and hide, oh wait YOU DO!

I’m NoLegalExpert, but I imagine the reason he’s charged with 2nd degree murder instead of 1st degree is a presumption of a lack of pre-meditation — that is, this was a random act of violence performed on the victim, not something the murderer specifically planned out for that particular victim.

Its all well and good to sit at your computer, scratching your nuts while you tell everyone about how brave you had been if you had witnessed a brutal murder taking place.
Truth is Garnet (the witness on phone) is a hero. He probably saved some lives by getting people off the bus.
You would have to be insane to go up against madman, in the back of a bus, holding a large hunting knife.

You boys are bad ass when you are flying a $200 millon doller jet after some men in a toyota with ak-47s. You will shoot a missel from a ship and kill familys while they sleep on the dirt. But who better than a yankee to tell us how to deal with some thing that they see daily? OHHH tell us wise and all knowing yankee please tell us how we can be just like you. AND NOW I WILL PUT MY SELF ON A YANKEE LIST SOME WHERE. Praise Alla. ( like you dont have anything better to do)

You guys are totally missing the point here and displaying quite a bit of defensiviness.

Of course it is scary to see someone with a knife stabbing someone, but remember that it takes more than one stab to kill most people. Knives are terrifying weapons if you let them be, but in such craped quarter as this bus, it wouldn’t take much risk to overhealm this guy.

I agree that nobody knows how they will react until one is tested.We know ONE thing. Those 40 something that ran like rabbitts at first sign of danger HAS been- and failed miserably.

You guys can rant and talk crap all day long about yankee or fools as much as you want to, but you all know that it is that dumb, white, rednck yankee that will protect you if it as needed. So be quiet and start being glad that you live close to the greatest country in the history of man, where people don’t fold like a dull pocketknife every time someone sneezes.

2nd degree murder, gimme a break!!!
(Oh Canada)

How many hundreds died becuse Ali Babaa had a box cutter on 911, never mind someone stronge enough to take a grey hound across Canada with a hunting knife………….. And fuck you Ivan your lucky your family escaped the USSR so you can now be internet tuff guy. So go ahead and be proud of your”greatest country in the history of man” Ben Laden fucked you, you are “history, man” Nobody in the world thinks you are great, and we Canadians are some of the very few that think you were ever great. Get over your selves, the rest of us have.

Canadians – there’s simply NO defense for running off that bus to let someone get THEIR HEAD CHOPPED OFF! PERIOD!

Any man should be able to admit that, Canadian or American.

And that interview; the guy sounded WAY too matter of fact about it – After what he just witnessed – What’s up with that??

Big Jim, sounds like you have a mighty big chip on your shoulder.

What exactly is the problem with building walls??
Do you or your neighbors have fences? Do you lock your doors or leave them wide open at night?

For all you “tough on crime” types–Second degree murder is probably all he would get charged with HERE, too. You have to prove premeditation or have some other “special circumstance” to warrant a first degree murder charge. You know absolutely nothing about this case, yet (as usual) it does not stop you from shooting off your ignorant mouths. Maybe the prosecutors know something you do not and this is the only charge that they could bring against him.

Strange…yesterday you were all convinced that this guy was a Muslim. Doesn’t look like that’s the case, does it? Ooops!

shitman, you don’t know what you’re talking about. All your rant is nonsense. It is totally irrellevant what my dad did 20 years ago, but even so, any idiot in Kiev would have jumped on this a-hole. Heck, even my little sister would have known that running away like a frizzie in -45 was the wrong thing to do and she’s in a US public high-school!!

be a man shithead and stop excusing the canadians being such whimps. What do you do if you see a guy beating up a woman in the street? Wait until the perpetrator is done and offer her “grief-counselling”?

I would wager another thing as well: If you were to walk through a ghetto-neighborhood at 3AM, who would you want to walk with and hold your hand? Me&my brother or your 5 best Canadian friends? Just know that the street-thugs these days have NikeAir as well in these days, so running might not be as good of an option as you think.

Ivan (the second terrible)

Well we knew that he wasnt white man.They would not have left that out of the news if he was. Humm…. Also for Airwick, is it that big a strech to think a Muslim would chop a sleeping mans head off? Google it! Its a f–ken sport over there!

Greyhound bus lines should give Garnet Caton and the truck driver a free travel pass for life for their heroism. By quickly getting everyone off the bus and traping the killer inside, they prevented what probably would have been a massacre. This killer could have slaughtered a dozen people, and nobody would have been able to stop him.

I honestly cannot believe some of you people on here defending the actions (or non-actions) of the passengers on that bus. What’s worse is the defense of the second degree murder charge…Umm hello people…this was obviously a deliberated murder. The guy, first of all, knowingly carried a hunting knife on the bus with him which admittedly would be a tough sell for murder one (but not impossible by any means)…One problem though: The guy moved from his original seat at the front of the bus after a stop to the back of the bus, at which point he brutally murdered a sleeping man. The fact that he left his original seat to choose an easy target obviously points to this being a premeditated murder. The length of time of the premeditaton does not matter and is dependent on the circumstances of the crime so the 30 or so seconds it took him to move from the front of the bus to the back would be enough to convince any jury that this was FIRST DEGREE MURDER.

Seriously, wake up from your apologistic dreamworld and please join us in the real world.

second degree murder ,at least he got charged up there …maybe if he played golf or football he would have a pass ….remember OJ…walked… murdered two people …o well….so lets not even go there …read the news in usa today…women throat slashed …baby stabbed ….hello… sick and twisted…

What does HIP HOP clothing look like??
WHAT RACE was this guy?

For Airhead, and his ilk:

http://patdollard.com/2008/08/he-just-wanted-my-throat/

Note the part where the bank employees — who were not trapped on a plane, or bus — ran out TOWARD a man slashing a young woman’s throat.

As I said: It is NOT an ingrained, built-in, “normal” human reaction to run from a horrific scene. Maybe for cowards, but not normal, decent people.

After reading the comments by this sick puke who claims to have served in the USMC in 1969/1970, I want to vomit. Minimum service in the USMC is not 2 years, or in your case, probably part of the two months, or 2 days(Dec.31,1969 – January 1, 1970), that you lasted in Parris Island. I’m sure it would only take 2 minutes around a piece of liberal feces like youself, to realize that you would not be fit to serve in the boy scouts, much less an honorable organization such as the USMC. “I can describe the layout of Parris Island and Chu Lai”(more like U LIE in you case), doesn’t prove that you ever served. Anyone with a computer can do that. Why don’t you tell us your real name, and the name of some of the REAL MARINES that you claim to have SERVED with, so we can check out with them, about how brave you were in those duty stations. If you did serve in the years you claimed, then you were a draftee, or one that enlisted and got kicked out, or deserted and fled to CANADA(you know, that fine cuntry to the north, that harbors twats like yourself,. while true patriots serve here). Anyone in the military, active or retired, that votes for a democRAT, are the worst kind of TRAITORS and COWARDS(dims are famous for gutting our military so they can buy votes with their socialist give aways, while always claiming to be the saviors of our service members), and REAL BABY BUTCHERS(50 million aborted helpless HUMAN CHILDREN in their mothers’ womb) in existence.

I also know a little about Parris Island, Camp Lejuene, Ft. Jackson, Ft. Leonard Wood, and Ft. Carson. I was drafted into the US Army on Jan.21,1971(didn’t run to Kanada, aka Soviet republik) enlisted in the regular Army on Jan. 25, 1971 for an extra year, to be eligible for the Green Berets training. In Fort Leonard Wood while in Engineer AIT, I was told that I was not qualified to enter Airborne training at Ft. Benning due to an eye defect. I was also told that I should not have passed my induction physical. Since we were still fighting in Nam you could be accepted if you could walk. I was then given orders for the 4th ID in Colorado to finish the rest of my tour.

My uncle was a Sgt. Major at Parris Island in the early 60’s after fighting in WWII(Iwo Jima and Okinawa), Korea, and is the oldest living ex drill instructor(90 years old and living in Beaufort S.C.) Two older brothers served in the USMC in the 1960s, my oldest brother was in the US Navy for 4 years and then spent 22 years in the USAF and retired as a SGT. Major. Two of my sons have served in Iraq,(the oldest Bryan, served in the US Army in Rawah and Mosul, was killed by a sniper in Mosul on 6/29/06) Matthew, his brother has done 2 tours in Fallujah, and will deploy to Afghanistan next year. Both of my sons reinlisted for another 4 years while in Iraq. My youngest son is planing to enlist in the USMC in January.

So airhead, go ahead and talk your trash about how you would have helped had been on the bus(what a laugh. You are obviously just another so called lib claiming to be an expert on human behavior. If only we could just try and understand the hard life this poor murderer had been put through by his parents and uncaring society while growing up, maybe we would not end him to prison. After all he had a right to bludgeon the guy next to him because he was snoring or his Ipod was too loud. I offer my sincere condolence and prayers to the family and friends of of this unfortunate victim murdered by this trash. Too bad it wasn’t you Airwad that was sitting next to this murdering beast. Another point you tried to make was that beheading is used by others as a means a deterrent. Why would the do this since the death penalty doesn’t work as a deterrent. Isn’t that what your liberal ilk are always spewing forth. It has obviously works in the islame-ic and mus-slime countries where Al Quaida beheads any Iraqi, Afghani, or other persons who refuses to help them kill the “evil occupying American forces” or blow them selves up. Maybe we should behead yo so you can’t vote for osama obama for premier of America.

Have a nice day and move to Kanada where you will fir right in.

Patrick Luckey(not afraid to id myself you coward)

Oh boy, 37 passengers and nobody help? Must be the French section of Canada. A busload of WIMPS!!! By the way, are they going to sell the head on E-BAY? Lets see some bodyparts!!!

Please excuse the typos and misspelled words in my post above due to being badgered by my wife to let her on the computer. I posted before checking for errors, but don’t worry, Airhead will surely correct me as I struggle with third grade grammar. I guess its the price we pay for living in a congested, impersonal society. Pleese halp Jon Carry, I am stuk hear in Flarda wateing to steel anuther elekshun frum tha dumocrooks.

Patrick Luckey

As an american and a soldier serving in the same region as soldiers of our allies(like the UK, Canada, France, Germany, Czech’s, and on and on it goes)

I saw the case mentioned about the woman in Queens back in the 60’s cited. This behavior will happen everywhere regardless of nationality or creed.

Lets not forget that there are instances of bravery in the civilian population but if your unarmed and facing off with a guy in close quarters with a knife, you’ll either have FIGHT or FLIGHT. Whichever is easiest is what the mobthink will tell people to go. Escaping is rather easy.

Now about Canadian Bravery I highly doubt you could stand in the presence of Canadian soldiers serving in Southern Afghanistan and call them pussies.

Everyone is brave behind a keyboard these days. BTW Political Affiliation does not have anything to do with the amount of bravery someone has.

FYI no one knows what will happen when the metal meets the meat so to speak. There are those that talk big and freeze there are also those that are quiet and meak and are able to perform. You can really never tell.

And there are Sociopaths in every race, religion, culture and walk of life. Not just muslims.

I have read the first page of all the comments and like the majority of those who commented on this story and also on the interview with a witness to the stabbing….. There was a total number of 37 people on the bus and NOT ONE PERSON TRIED TO STOP THIS MAN. You mean to tell me that all thirty seven persons were ALL women! Why couldn’t a couple of men tackle the men and another man disarm the man? what was the f*** reason for the bus driver to tell “everyone off the bus?” If four or five men had INITIALLY TACKLED this knifewielder and one to disarm the man this young man would still be alive! I cannot believe the levels of COWARDICE THAT THESE MEN, IF YOU WANT TO CALL THEM MEN AT ALL HAVE SHOWN TO THE PUBLIC! When men/women shove their religious faith aside or when people have NO concern for their fellow man whatsoever you will see this kind of “COWARDICE”. When I see the American program “Cops” on TV, I have noticed many “concerned citizens” going to the aid of the police officers when the criminal is getting the “upper hand”. This story left me with anger at not only the men who did NOTHING to help this man but also the bus driver who did not even WANT to realize that HE is personally responsible for the death/mutilation of this young man by NOT asking four or five men to help tackle/disarm this man and a a piece of luggage or clipboard was all that was needed to “distract” the perp so the men would tackle/disarm the man! What a bunch of cowards these men were! What kind of bus driver would let a man be killed! Your duty was for the safety of ALL , and that included the man being
stabbed! I am a woman and I feel nothing but disgust for the “cowardice” shown by ALL the MEN on this bus and the bus driver involved! Four or five men could have tackled and disarmed this man but YOU choose to run away and watch this man be knifed, beheaded, and cannabilized! NOT only are YOU men cowards but you are “moral cowards”! WHAT would happen IF your WIFE or CHILD would be the intended victim of this attack! IF you didn’t have the moral courage to prevent this from happening, but instead, watched this entire situation, then you probably wouldn’t have the “COURAGE” to protect even your own wife or child from such a criminal attack! You did not even have “the balls” to do what most people KNOW what is right and what should have been done in the first place! YOU DON’T RUN AWAY FROM EVIL—YOU MEET IT HEAD ON!

Greyhound should probably serve peanuts on their long trips.

This is where a concealed weapon would have stopped this thing cold. This nut-job was high on something or possessed by Satan himself.

A gun-carrying passenger could have blown this evil monster away and perhaps even saved the victim’s life.

Instead, everyone runs away from their fellow man while this guys saws the victim’s head off!!!!?!??!

There are no real men anymore. Especially in Canada.

This story has METH written all over it!

I see alot of comments posted about how the 37 passengers were Canadian wimps.. about how they could have stopped him and how the americans would have stopped it and americans are brave and so forth.. but what about ALL the rapes, murders, kidnapping, robberies that arent stopped by the fellow american? If every american was as brave as they claim to be those things happing would be cut in half. I have seen alot of caught on camera shows that happen in the US and most of them have someone else near by watching while the cashier or attendant gets beat up or stabbed. Also the only reason this story is so big around the world is because it never happens in Canada. In the US there are more brutal crimes being commited hence the reason they arent brodcasted all over the world or it would be constant breaking news on every channel. YES maybe the other passengers could have done more, but that doesnt mean that americans are any more brave than canadians.

would people stop saying they could have helped the man, put it a situation like that would you have put you life at risk to save a man who is obviously gone, no you would be too horrified. it really gets me that americans would call canadians pussys when they are one of the bravest, most loyal nation on earth, just really shows how arrogant SOME americans are ( and incase you think im being biased im not canadian im british. SOME of you americans are just to obsessed with your own nation and aclaim it to be the best nation on earth while not crediting any other country for anything remember i only said some.

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