First Ever: Raw Video Released of GITMO Terror Suspect Interrogation

A videotaped interrogation by Canadian officials of a weeping teenage Guantanamo Bay prisoner was released over the Internet Tuesday, in what is believed to be the first such video from the U.S. facility seen by the public. In the video, a Canadian Security Intelligence Services agent is shown grilling Khadr, 15, about events leading up to his capture as an enemy combatant. Khadr, a Canadian citizen, is accused of throwing a grenade that killed a U.S. soldier during a 2002 firefight in Afghanistan.

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July 15, 2008 at 8:53 am - AP
Dateline: Toronto, Canada
Gitmo   July 15th, 2008 - 9:24 am

The Gitmo brutality is unbelievable. This place must be closed now! The USA is so abusive. The poor victim is crying! Plus look at the interrogation room. Who arranged the decor? Most of us on the left would never decorate that way!

Let the poor guy talk to his mommy.

The NYTimes is a bit worried that now the facts are coming out. Blowing up things is pretty fun for many of these guys. Free room and board in Gitmo is not as fun.

dswilli   July 15th, 2008 - 9:29 am

What no pizza and coke?????????? GTMO must be closed now. Imagine no big screens or high speed internet must be hell on earth!

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 9:35 am

This place is a national disgrace and WILL be shut down regardless of who wins in November. It’s about time.

BlueMax372   July 15th, 2008 - 9:48 am

Capturing and detaining this turd was a mistake. He should have been summarily executed on the battlefield. Meanwhile, Celebrate Guantanamo!

HelpUs   July 15th, 2008 - 9:52 am

Airwick,

You paint a picture of all good liberals. Liberals are so self oriented that they want to outsource anything that may be unpleasant to someone else. Take any subject: interrogation, ship it to Egypt (see Bill Clinton). Oil production, ship it to Saudi. Electric generation, do it in any state but mine (see Vermont for details).

Libs want comfort, protection and are not willing to pay any price. Why, because they are special and deserve the very best. When times get tough, they want to blame and have someone else solve their problem.

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 10:03 am

Sorry, HelpUs, I am NOT a Liberal. I am a Conservative Republican, ex-Marine Viet Nam vet, and a Life Member of the NRA. Wrong is wrong. Frankly I don’t care what evil tactics al-Qaeda uses. WE are a nation of laws and standards. THEY may torture but WE do NOT (or should not). And we win anyway—THAT is our strength. John McCain (hardly a Liberal) opposes this, too.

Fred   July 15th, 2008 - 10:11 am

“Khadr, 15, about events leading up to his capture as an enemy combatant. Khadr, a Canadian citizen, is accused of throwing a grenade that killed a U.S. soldier during a 2002 firefight in Afghanistan.”

Boo Hoo! This is a joke? Am I suppose to feel sorry for this creep? Why was this released? To make me feel sorry for this punk?

Any mention of this dead Marines family?

litebluedandelion   July 15th, 2008 - 10:12 am

The questioner says “I do care about you”. The kid is like a little baby and the interrogation is kid glove stuff. “you don’t care about me” ..over and over – this is pretty pathetic -when in any other nation in the world the kid would be being beat and really injured. This kid is crying “you don’t care about me”… wake up people… this kid has obviously been treated very well considering that he has been lobbing grenades at and killing Americans in his role as wannabe terrorist. Kid should be kissing his captors feet instead of crying.

Kenny   July 15th, 2008 - 10:14 am

This is torture?

dswilli   July 15th, 2008 - 10:15 am

Airwick you are no conservative. Tell yourself that if you like but you’re no conservative.

Gringo   July 15th, 2008 - 10:17 am

Torture? This little b@stard needs to learn the meaning of the word.

dswilli   July 15th, 2008 - 10:19 am

This little creep killed one of your brothers Airwick. Either you’re lying about the former marine part or you don’t give a crap about your brothers in Iraq. Which is it?

litebluedandelion   July 15th, 2008 - 10:19 am

” I lost my eyes …I lost my feet “… kid knows he is being recorded… I’m absolutely sure this kid has not even been touched. The way the interrogator is questioning him it’s obvious they are being “absolutely poofy” with this kid. Note he is sitting laid back and very relaxed in the chair during this interview.. in N. Korea , China, Africa and even in France this kid would have been beaten to near death and his interrogation team would not be telling him how much they “care about him” after he complains that “you don’t care for me”…. He wouldn’t be relaxing, laid back in a chair… he would be strapped to a chair while being tortured.

T0AD   July 15th, 2008 - 10:21 am

To dswilli:

I’m curious to know what is your definition of conservative?

Dave M   July 15th, 2008 - 10:49 am

Maybe we should let the dead Marines dad do the interrogation. this young punk should have been killed on the battlefield. “but he’s a minor”, well he should be a dead minor. he chose to go to battle against the US and was willing to kill. suffer and die you Muslim bastard and maybe you get your fake 40 virgins .

duggersd   July 15th, 2008 - 10:50 am

Airwick, et al,
Just what did you see that was torture here? Whether you believe techniques such as water boarding is torture is debatable. I would really be interested in knowing what you saw in this scene that was torture. I did not even hear Barbara Streisand in the background.

Dave M   July 15th, 2008 - 10:51 am

one more thing ….can you imagine the horror of this kind of interrogation. lets pray to god that they didn’t put underwear on his head!!!

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 11:07 am

Duggersd,
There is no “debate”–water boarding IS torture and has always been torture. It has been used that way since the Inquisition five hundred years ago. The Nazis employed it as well. This is company I do not wish to keep. I don’t know if I would also classify sleep depravation as torture. I think that it would depend upon the duration and techniques used to deny sleep. However, I would also not do it for the simple reason that any information you gain is tainted and likely to be inaccurate to the point of being misleading. As far as being a Conservative is concerned, why is it necessary to endorse these “get tough” tactics to qualify as a “Conservative”? This is nothing short of mean spirited vengeance. This guy was 15 when he is “accused” of killing a Marine with a grenade. “Accused” is not the same as “did”. Did anyone witness this”? He was wounded in the area of the battle. Was he an active participant? Your assumption is that he is guilty, yet no “proof” of his guilt has been established. Maybe he was a bystander caught up in the fight and had nothing to do with it. Supporting my fellow Marines has nothing to do with justice.

Alex   July 15th, 2008 - 11:12 am

As a conservative, I want to know, were these military actions legal? I don’t remember Congress declaring war on anyone. According to the Constitution, only Congress has the legal capability to declare war.

If a president initiates an attack on his own, does that consitute a genuine war? If a war is not properly declared, what legal and moral grounds exist for its continued execution?

If these detainees are suspected of crimes, they must be given access to legal counsel and tried in a swift manner according to the Constitution.

If they are prisoners of war, they must be accorded the protections of the Geneva Convention. You can’t keep them in communicado, indefinately. They must be treated humanely even if they are enemies. Torture is never permitted.

I understand that since these guys don’t wear a uniform, or represent a flag, this complicates things quite a bit.

However, as Americans we play by the rules. We are expected to always take the high road. We are expected to be the good guys because we follow the rules our enemies don’t. Our fighting men follow the rules of war even though our leaders may not. What goes here?

The president is sworn to uphold the Constitution. It seems to me that he has violated his oath wilfully, over and over. We must insist upon holding him accountable for his actions. Otherwise, we have lost the moral high ground of our society as we are supposed to be a nation of laws, not of men.

Anonymous   July 15th, 2008 - 11:14 am

I’ve seen worse on Law & Order. If this video is supposed to be controversial, please visit your local police’s interrogations.

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 11:15 am

Dave,
Try going without sleep for several days and then let me know how you feel. Have some creep(s) poke you whenever you doze off and force you to walk from room to room. My guess is that you will be throwing punches and crying by day three. But it’s not torture…

Anonymous   July 15th, 2008 - 11:18 am

***Maybe he was a bystander caught up in the fight and had nothing to do with it.***

Yeah a Canadian teenager just happened to be in the mountains of Afghanistan taking bird pictures with Islamic extremists just months after 9/11…. Get real.

Biscuiteater   July 15th, 2008 - 11:25 am

That was too funny, Give the guy a suicide vest and put him in a bomb proof cell by himself. Or with a couple of his friends.

bristol mercheson   July 15th, 2008 - 11:51 am

God, I am so impressed, in awe and unspeakably thankful to the person who so bravely shot this footage. Undoubtedly, they risked their own life to share with the world this dastardly and despicable display by the US.

A Canadian, too. Imagine that! Such a magnanimous embrace of this poor, down-trodden waif that in a heartbeat would gladly have done his deadly bidding in Toronto’s airport or a Montreal mall if he’d had the opportunity.

I’m sorry folks, but I fail to see the news value of this story or why I should be the least bit concerned. Indeed, such displays remind me once again of the weakness of the West. Supposedly home to some so-called intelligent and enlightened people, but who nonetheless allow themselves to be used, abused and manipulated by those who have no respect whatsoever for our value system.

Wake up people!!!!!!

Konsurvativ   July 15th, 2008 - 11:52 am

He was caught in the middle of the battlefield. He wasn’t sitting in a nearby Starbuck’s. He is an enemy combatant. And he was getting pretty soft treatment, from what the video shows. Of course he’s upset. Who cares?

Jake   July 15th, 2008 - 11:56 am

Airwick I have to chime in here. There was obviously enough evidence to hold this guy. Please, apply some common sense and a bit of logic.

It is very likely that this guy killed a US Marine. I see no evidence whatsoever of water boarding and the prisoner makes no claims having been water boarded or of sleep deprivation.

You’re the one making baseless accusations here- not the US Military. You’ve called the US Military a bunch of Nazi’s. You’re the one who is convicting people wrongly and without evidence. You are worse than a hypocrit. Claiming that waterboarding and sleep deprivation are common practise for the US Military is factually incorrect, dishonest and frankly disgusting. I have no respect for people such as yourself who are so quick to slander so many who have sacrificed so much for you.

I trust and respect our military. You do not. You’ve slandered them and should be ashamed of yourself. I highly doubt you have ever served this country in any way.

Personally I think this guy is lucky to be in custody. He should have been killed on the battlefield. When one chooses to involve onesself in armed conflict they risk death or capture. This guy was lucky to be captured by a modern, civilized nation which does not practice torture.

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 12:05 pm

If he is an enemy combatant, then treat him like one. I wouldn’t want one of our guys tortured either. If this is so “acceptable”, then why aren’t we upfront about it? There is an old saying, “When conducting business you shouldn’t do anything behind closed doors that you are ashamed of and would not do in the open.” Our intelligence services got vast amounts of information out of the Germans in World War II without “enhanced interrogation” techniques. What makes you think that we couldn’t do so now?
Some of the leading critics of Gitmo and what goes on there (and in places like that) are the very people who conducted those interrogations.

grik   July 15th, 2008 - 12:12 pm

He is 15 years old. He should not be there no matter what he did.

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 12:18 pm

Jake,
Gee, since when do we execute prisoners on the battlefield? That is the second time I have read that ignorant “he should have been killed on the battlefield” comment. He was wounded and captured. Is anyone who is found in the vicinity of a fight where an American serviceman dies guilty of a crime? Also I did not call our troops Nazis. I said that Nazis used water boarding as a torture technique. I actually do not think that our troops use water boarding but that is not to say that WE did not. There are members of the “intelligence community” who seem to be fine with this. This administration has done a quick step dance around this issue for some time now and there are still many proponents of “enhanced” interrogation techniques. The fact that this is even being debated is obscene. We are a nation of laws and high standards. WE DO NOT TORTURE and should not condone it.

T0AD   July 15th, 2008 - 12:18 pm

Not here to push buttons but:

To Jake: You talked about there being obvious evidence. Could you provide anything to back up this claim.

To Airwick you talked about this guy being waterboarded and sleep deprived can you provide any info to support this claim.

TomBrooklyn   July 15th, 2008 - 12:27 pm

Are those crocodile tears?

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 12:29 pm

Toad,
I never said that this guy was water boarded. In mentioned water boarding as an example of the extremes that our intelligence gathering community will go to in order to extract information. Sorry for the confusion.

It seems that he WAS sleep deprived by OUR own admission. Another article on the subject is on Breitbart and I quote, “A Canadian Department of Foreign Affairs report said Canadian official Jim Gould visited Khadr in 2004 and was told by the American military that the detainee was moved every three hours to different cells. That technique, dubbed, “frequent flyer,” was one of at least two sleep deprivation programs the U.S. military used against Guantanamo prisoners. Detainees were moved from cell to cell throughout the night to keep them awake and weaken their resistance to interrogation. The document also says Khadr was placed in isolation for up to three weeks and then interviewed again.”

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 12:43 pm

Steve,
Thanks for the well thought out and intelligent response. Actually the US serviceman killed was a Special Forces soldier, not a Marine (not that it makes any real difference). You assume that he killed the soldier. As Toad noted, do you have any proof? Or do people like you require proof anymore? I realize that this is an arcane, old tradition guys like Jefferson (etal) embraced but when you talk about American “values” what are you referring to if not this? Reread the postings. I never called Marines (or any service member) Nazis. I stated (factually) that water boarding was a technique used by the Inquisition, the Nazis, and, I might add, a bunch of other creepy characters (like African, Asian, and South American despots). I would rather not be grouped with them in future histories. Would you?

T0AD   July 15th, 2008 - 12:44 pm

Thanks for the clarification Airwick.

Still waiting for anyone to point out the obvious evidence against the boy.

Here’s another question to anyone that wants to answer it:

What is it about habeas corpus and individual rights that so many of you seem to dislike?

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 12:48 pm

Moderator,
WHY?

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 12:59 pm

Toad,
For some reason the moderator is censoring my responses.

What and give these prisoners “rights”? Next thing they will want to have trials so that they can establish their lack of guilt. It is interesting that we have released several of these “hard cases” to the Saudis who have in turn reeducated them and they are now functioning members of society, rejecting al-Qaeda and its message. So much for the “we can’t reason or deal with these terrorists” mentality.

peter c   July 15th, 2008 - 1:05 pm

Only two were waterboarded…both helped plan 9/11. Both gave up info that stopped major attacks. I can’t believe that Reid,Pelosi,Kennedy Obama and the rest of those crying babies, like this kid, have actually condenmed America for interrigations in Gitmo when the Boston Police are 10 times worse when they want to be!I never thought I would see the day when senators and congressmen would aid and abet the enemy as the Dems and Moveon.org,medimatters.MSNBC and the rest have done these past 6 years and actually get away with it and then actually celebrate it with a rookie to run for President with a very serious Marxist background.And none of them really show any respect for McCain’s 5 and a half years in a POW camp except with phony “Lip service” Are all these people out of their minds or what? When the war is over these guys can be released like any other war in history!Unless they are found guilty of war crimes!!! END OF STORY!

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 1:20 pm

Steve,
Only two were water boarded? You mean only two that you know of…And WHAT attacks did this information prevent? I keep hearing this but have never seen any proof that “actionable” information was obtained through torture (I suppose that it is “classified” and we should take “their” word for it). These guys will be released when “this war’s over”? When is that? When WE decide? What is your criterion for the “end” of the war? Islamic extremism is probably here to stay in some capacity or other. The goal should be to limit it in scope and effectiveness. Mistreating people is probably not the best way to do this.

Sorry about the Boston police.

PolitiP   July 15th, 2008 - 1:33 pm

Just think, the US government could just classify anyone a terrorist and they’d have no right to habeus corpus. That would be awesome! Americans could just be pulled off the streets and held without charges brought against them, no stinking right to a speedy trial.

To hell with it, since we all live in fear now because of that damned old Bill of Rights, let’s do away with it. Burn it, I say! Tyranny now and forever!

http://www.politiporn.com

Somebody cue Lee Greenwood, “I’m proud to be an American!”

T0AD   July 15th, 2008 - 1:35 pm

To all of you frothing at the mouth. We live in a republic. This great country is governed not by people but by a set of LAWS. This was organized this way so that in the events of emotional mob mentality people are secure in their lives. Any time you bypass law in order to appease mob mentality you chip away the greatness of this nation. In other words you create a more liberal socialist state of governance. Any conservative would no that. Bush, McCain, & Obama are all socialist leaning big government guys. All of you need to get out of this left-right fake dispute. Understand that it is about big government vs small government. The Dems and Reps are both sides of the same coin.

stuart   July 15th, 2008 - 1:42 pm

Airwick,
I too doubt (sorry) that you are what you say.
The way you are bouncing back and forth and getting a little frazzled fits the mold for a common bleeding heart. Fess up boy it’ll make you feel better. (oh god I was just torturing you)
They have let prisoners do from GITMO that have returned to fight us, that’s a fact. Sorry that this guy is only 16 but Steve F is right 16 is an adult in Arab countries. Let’s see they strap bombs on women and kill other innocent Arabs and Muslims…….

stuart   July 15th, 2008 - 1:45 pm

I know, I know, I meant GO from GITMO
sorry

WirelessMercenary   July 15th, 2008 - 1:58 pm

McCain would have wished for such “rough” treatment… Club Gitmo is nothing like the Hanoi Hilton…

I would not be an interrogator because I would not hold anything back. I’d have the SOB naked, in the sun, hung by his toes upside down & his thumbs glued up his butt with CrazyGlue until he talked. If he didn’t, oh well, next customer!!! Have my waterboarding kit at the ready Jeeves!!!

Harsh? No, not at all when compared to the soldier he killed & the ones he injured… It is human nature to retaliate or extract revenge. Pacifists need to understand that in nature it is “EAT or BE EATEN: period.

To think that The US Supreme Court wants all these lowlives to have “their day in court” is disturbing, illogical & totally absurd…

Borok, wake up there Hussein & throw away the key (ONLY after your nuts are surgically reattached from that malicious wounding your brother promised you!)

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 2:18 pm

Stuart,
I think that my position is pretty clear. Exactly how am I bouncing “back and forth”? I am opposed to torture for moral as well as practical reasons. It is well documented that torture gains almost no actionable information and may, in fact, provide the questioner with false information that could mislead.

Is it a prerequisite for a Conservative Republican to endorse this hard line stupidity? It is essential that we are successful. Abusing people because we “want to get even” might make you feel better but I submit to you that it is counter productive. A more intelligent approach could result in people that willingly give information and even join “our” side. This would not be a unique occurrence. There are historical examples of this happening and the benefits are much greater.

Sean   July 15th, 2008 - 2:58 pm

“Airwick July 15th, 2008 – 2:18 pm

Stuart,
I think that my position is pretty clear. Exactly how am I bouncing “back and forth”? I am opposed to torture for moral as well as practical reasons. It is well documented that torture gains almost no actionable information and may, in fact, provide the questioner with false information that could mislead.”

All depends on how it is done.

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 3:11 pm

Sean,
So how should you do it? Or is that classified, too?

WirelessMercenary   July 15th, 2008 - 3:24 pm

AirWick,

It is a prerequisite of any free people to extract TIMELY information from foreign operatives, in order to not only remain FREE but ALIVE!

What part of a sworn enemy, driven by the radical perversion of a religion, bent on killing as many of us as they can scheme to do in a cave, don’t you pacifists understand?

“Intelligent approaches” like you embrace lead to standoffs without many results. These people are of the 16th century mentality, where a bully only understands an equal or superior bully’s threat. The perceived threat leads to instinctual respect, when survival mechanism is invoked, that you are holding their cards. That is why waterboarding works & it does!!! True believers will die, most others will fold, in an expedited manner!

I’d love to WB some liberal “leaders” who seem to think the country is mean spirited, broken & that we need a Sesame Street time-out with homicidal mutants instead of killing the very killers who would love to kill us!!!

How many have we let go from Gitmo, only to find they went right back to killing again?

~20% killed or recaptured… Duh?

12 Bravo   July 15th, 2008 - 3:39 pm

This is torture???

I don’t get it. High School detention was worse than this. Some of you people need to find a worse video to debate over.

Sean   July 15th, 2008 - 3:39 pm

“T0AD July 15th, 2008 – 3:40 pm

So you stoop to your enemies level but you are good”

Yes. The difference is we can bounce back. They just stay down there.

T0AD   July 15th, 2008 - 3:40 pm

So you stoop to your enemies level but you are good

T0AD   July 15th, 2008 - 3:47 pm

Wow Sean way to equate the American military to al-quaeda. Way to preserve or honor.

Sean   July 15th, 2008 - 3:47 pm

T0Ad…your tinfoil hat is loose

T0AD   July 15th, 2008 - 3:47 pm

all of you pro war chicken hawks who pretend to be conservative have no idea what is right in front of your face. Bush has moved our country closer to a pseudo fascist socialist nation. You do realize that the Neo-Conservative movement was an offshoot of Trotsky style Marxism. You have been tricked into by left leaning people to adopt policy to move towards socialism. This war is a fraud.

Sean   July 15th, 2008 - 3:51 pm

“T0AD July 15th, 2008 – 3:47 pm

Wow Sean way to equate the American military to al-quaeda.”

Nothing of the sort. If you didnt insist on absolutes you would understand.

murphy   July 15th, 2008 - 3:52 pm

I think if I had to pick a place to be a captive POW or enemy combatant (of the countries that would have them)I would have to pick the USA.
I also think that I would rather serve time in GITMO than in general population at San Quinton.
Anyone disagree? Thankyou, No applause please.

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 4:02 pm

WirelessMercanery,
You say that, “It is a prerequisite of any free people to extract TIMELY information from foreign operatives, in order to not only remain FREE but ALIVE!” I submit to you that if you start compromising your principles you may be alive but probably will not be free. That philosophy may be fine with you but whatever happened to “Give me liberty or give me death”?

There is nothing “pacifistic” about my approach. The fact is that you get more and better information if you extract it skillfully than if you just go around brutalizing people. What part of THAT don’t YOU understand?

You also mention that, “Intelligent approaches like you embrace lead to standoffs without many results.” When you mention “standoffs” do you mean like in Iraq for the past five years? The only real progress we have made was due to the recent change in strategy where we negotiated with Sunnis and formed the “Awaking Councils” that were instrumental in driving al-Qaeda into a corner. These Sunnis were the same people who “had American blood on their hands” and we refused to speak with just a few months earlier. “These people” may have a “16th century mentality” (actually, I think that you meant to say a 7th Century mentality) but the idea that we can out bully them is nonsense. I doubt that we got a lot of “respect” because of Abu Ghraib. You state that, “True believers will die, most others will fold, in an expedited manner!” What if you get the wrong person by mistake? Will he die or fold? If he “talks” what will he tell you and how valuable will it be? The fact that you would “WB” liberal leaders (who are Americans, too) says a lot about where we are as a nation. Whatever happened to “they hate our freedoms”? It looks like some of “us” hate them, too.

murphy   July 15th, 2008 - 4:08 pm

You know maybe we should close our prisons too.
It really sucks in prison, we should probably close them. Juvenile facilities too. Punishment, consequences, correctional. Those terms are too archaic to have a place in our enlightened society.

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 4:17 pm

Murphy,
Wow! What a great Straw Man! If I had a choice, I wouldn’t go to Gitmo OR “San Quinton”. Some of these guys did nothing at all and were picked up and sold for monetary gain. That aside, I would rather be somewhere where I knew what my future was (even a life sentence) so that I could adjust accordingly than be placed in Limbo, not knowing when, or if, I would ever be released.

No applause, please.

murphy   July 15th, 2008 - 4:23 pm

airwick- lets just pretend, that someone (not this innocent guy) really did throw a grenade, with the best of intentions, and was apprehended – where do you propose he go? if gitmo is too hard and makes him cry?

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 4:25 pm

Murphy,
You finally (inadvertently) stumbled onto a good point. We have one of the largest prison populations in the Industrialized World. Most of those incarcerated are there for non violent crimes (usually drug related). Why? A lot of our sentencing guidelines are archaic. And you guys are worried about Sharia Law…

murphy   July 15th, 2008 - 4:28 pm

Careful… by going off topic so quickly and not giving straight answers you have betrayed your real feelings as an america hater.

T0AD   July 15th, 2008 - 4:37 pm

Why is following the constitution now equal to hating america. listen to what the founding fathers said about entangling foreign policy. We could move further with the middle east with peace ad free trade than with falsifying intelligence and robbing their lands resources and killing over one million of their citizens

Sean   July 15th, 2008 - 4:44 pm

T0AD…stop reading the Daily KOS

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 4:48 pm

Murphy,
One of our greatest assets in the Nam was the “Chu Hoi’s” (Open Arms) that “flipped” and became allies instead of enemies. I remember one of these guys in particular who showed us how to locate and disable booby traps. I am willing to bet that he wound up saving more lives than he took (and he fought us for years before “coming over”). That is what I would do with this kid. I would get an Imam and “work” on him, showing the error of his ways and try to win him over. Find out why he joined and use that information to formulate a strategy to keep other young men from doing the same thing. He could be an asset. Read your Sun Tzu—“use the conquered foe to augment one’s own strength”.

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 4:49 pm

Murphy,
You were the one who “got off topic” mentioning doing away with prisons. I was just expanding upon your posting. How is this “hating America”?

murphy   July 15th, 2008 - 4:49 pm

toad
Is it possible that our peace and free trade is just as infuriating and disgusting to fundamentalist islam or the terrorist elements and maybe moreso than our fighting or detaining techniques?

Sean   July 15th, 2008 - 4:51 pm

Airwick
Patriotism and Religious fanaticism are not equal.

E390   July 15th, 2008 - 4:55 pm

How much did he care about the man this muslim terrorist killed. F- him. If he was an American captured by the religion of peace he would have been beheaded and drug through the streets. Waterboard this killer or better yet hook his nuts up to electricity and make him dance.

murphy   July 15th, 2008 - 5:00 pm

Is it possible that this conflict is different than nam in that the motives of the typical islamic fighter are not of the type that can be altered though a “cant we all just get along” discourse?
religion can be more deeply ingrained and be more unbending than political opinion, ergo some people will hate us and want us dead anyway. All they need to do is turn on their cable tv to confirm what they are taught- that we are god dishonoring pigs and why shouldnt they cleanse the earth of us.

murphy   July 15th, 2008 - 5:12 pm

…just what i needed. -thanks guys most fun I’ve had all day (Thank goodness this isn’t China).

T0AD   July 15th, 2008 - 5:18 pm

To Sean:

Never read Daily Kos before sounds like its more your big government style.

To Murphy:

Read Michael Scheuer’s book Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror. He was the lead guy our country had working to get Bin Laden. His deep understanding of the subject of American foreign policy in relation to Blow back is a subject of this book. He is a republican. He says they attack us because we meddle in their countries affairs not because of our beliefs and definitely not because of our freedom.

We need to stop babysitting the world and take care of our own country.

T0AD   July 15th, 2008 - 6:19 pm

guess the neo-con trolls end their shift at 5:30 maybe they will hire a night crew.

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 6:38 pm

Toad,
It’s amazing to me that the “they hate our freedom crowd” are the first ones to throw out those “freedoms” when they become inconvenient. And WE are supposed to be unpatriotic…

Sorry I missed the end. Duty called.

Henry   July 15th, 2008 - 7:21 pm

I agree with good senator, they should have killed this TERRORIST in the battlefield,instead American citizens get to pay for this piece of TRASH while he sits in prison and plots and eats, on our dime!

Good job PATHETIC AMERICA!!

sam   July 15th, 2008 - 7:25 pm

this is pathetic. this guy had his head filled with all kinds of anti-american crap, no doubt most of the propaganda from the leftist and liberals.

execute his arse for killing an aamerican soldier.

Liberals and their friends in the media are scum

KGB   July 15th, 2008 - 7:34 pm

Looks like torture to me. Could you not see the piano wire that he was hanging by his thumbs with and the electrodes attached to his genitals? Was that panties over his head?

cia   July 15th, 2008 - 7:37 pm

kgb, thats torture? my girlfriend does that electrode to the gonad thing, i love it!

fbiRus   July 15th, 2008 - 7:44 pm

Airwick – Do YOU support abortion on demand?

Dont lie. I will know by the way you type your responce!

real torture would have been making this guy watch hillary clinton speaches.

Airwick   July 15th, 2008 - 8:21 pm

fbiRus,
No. I believe that women should be forced to have unwanted children and live in poverty as a result. I also think that if they want an abortion they should have to poison themselves or mutilate themselves with a coat hanger and risk septicemia while the far right wing of the Republican Party clucks their tongues in derision. After wards we can brand an “A” on their foreheads so the world will know what they have done.

fbiRus   July 15th, 2008 - 8:43 pm

airwick – so called torture can not hold a candle to the slaughter of unborn children. you are a liberal.

your words “…far right wing of the Republican Party clucks their tongues in derision.’ typical leftist responce. You are exposed!

scraping a child from his mothers womb is murder.

you are a hypocrite! your answer does not have anything to do qith 98% of abortions.

and that also makes you a liar. IF you were really a military member, you are a disgrace to the uniform you wore.

liar.

fbiRus   July 15th, 2008 - 8:45 pm

airwick, (good name – the product covers the stink of decay)

the Nazis, which YOU mentioned, loved killing the un born, or the “useless eaters”.

LIAR, HYPOCRITE. Let it go, you are no conservative.

your brain can not function when it comes to the question of abortion. You have been brainwashed.

Tornado 27   July 15th, 2008 - 8:48 pm

Screw that worthless little rag head punk! He killed an American soldier and I will gladly pull the trigger! We’ll never win this war if the left …
A. Never realizes we are in a war.
B. Continues to kiss the enemy’s rear end.
C. Keeps thinking that not being nice to someone is torture.
Damn bunch of sniveling fools!

27 Out

N Waff   July 15th, 2008 - 9:15 pm

=== WOW – THOSE INTERREGATORS ARE NICE PEOPLE ===

If this video is supposed to make us hate Gitmo, it does the exact opposite. The interrogator speaks nicely to this kid. The interrogator expresses concern and even has the air conditioning turned on. I wish it was that nice where I work!

Hey, if you’re a Canadian hanging out in Afghanistan, you’re incredibly stupid and maybe a terrorist. You better be crying. And people say the military were ignoring his injuries – the kid is delusional about his injuries. He says he lost an eye and a foot, which was not the case. I have no sympathy for this kid.

cops do worse everyday   July 15th, 2008 - 9:55 pm

what’s the problem here ?

share with him your crying towel, Airhead, and get out of my country.

Airwick   July 16th, 2008 - 2:26 am

fbiRus,
USMC, 1967-1971, Viet Nam, 1969-1970. Which branch of the service were you in, hero? What gives you the right to impose your position on abortion on others? I am not telling you that you or your family has to consider it, yet you seem to feel free to dictate to others what they can or cannot do. The Nazis tried to impose their will on the populace at large. That sounds like something that YOU would do as well. NOW who is the Nazi? I love you “pro life“ types—you are all for life if it involves comatose patients with no hope of recovery or the “unborn”. But you are all for the death penalty and killing anyone who disagrees with you otherwise. You supply no proof that this guy killed anyone yet you want him dead simply because “he didn’t belong there” or “he could have done it”. So much for American “values” that we are fighting to “preserve”…

fbiRus   July 16th, 2008 - 4:44 pm

airSick, I dont your service. And I dont ahve to prove crap to you. you defend the “right” to kill the unborn, I defend the NEED to torture thes scumbags.

You are a leftist, and you cant stand it that you were exposed. LIAR!

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