‘Stretched the Facts’: Dem. Congressman Admits Party Used War to Win Election
Rep. Kanjorski: "That if we won the Congressional elections, we could stop the war. Now anybody was a good student of Government would know that wasn't true. But you know, the temptation to want to win back the Congress, we sort of stretched the facts...and people ate it up."
Finally,a democrat tells the truth about their intent from the 06 elections.This has been the biggest bunch of do nothing dolts I’ve ever seen in congress.Oh wait,I forgot,we now know that Clemens probably used steroids while pitching,glad we cleared up that important investigation.Problem is they have been lying for years and the people eat it up.They have no intention of resolving issues,if resolved they won’t have any more things to piss and moan about when they run for reelection.When you tell the truth about a voting record,its dirty campaigning,don’t dare talk about anything obama has been involved in..wouldn’t want to really po the islamo-facists left in the party.Lets just hurry up and turn the US over to the UN so we can really fix our issues,beings they are so credible and all.Look at the platform Gorbachov ran on when he became leader of the old USSR,he was actually more capitalistic friendly then the current crop running the DNC.Lets repeat all the failures of the last 200 years because we know better how to do it…snatch defeat from the jaws of victory that is.
TulokMay 23rd, 2008 - 5:59 pm
I don’t recall any congressional nominee promising they’d single-handedly end the war if they were elected. There was no misrepresentation. The reality is people voted for politicians who held their values. Key amongst those values, opposition to the war in Iraq.
Had even more democrats been elected they could have brought our troops home however enough republicans remained to make this an impossibility.
That’s far more damning to republicans than democrats to the anti-war voters.
Btw PaleRyder, you’re supposed to put spaces between sentences and after punctuation marks. Paragraphs are a good idea too. Your wall of text is an eye-strain.
Kevin KMay 23rd, 2008 - 6:09 pm
Tulok…are you serious. Candidates were promising an end to the war in the first year. You are just another democrat using the “out of context” argument. It is getting a bit old. BTW..no one cares about grammar in blogs. The end of your post shows that you are a pompous, condescending elitist .
HomeyMay 23rd, 2008 - 6:09 pm
Tulok is a typical lefty ‘ intellectual ‘:
The post by PaleRyder is refuted with a swipe
that basically states that ” I can punctuate and spell better than you, therefore I am smarter than you…AND therefore am an authority on political matters ! Well, with all due respect, Tulok, your statement that
” Had even more democrats been elected they could have brought our troops home however enough republicans remained to make this an impossibility. ” Is not only a poorly constructed sentence, but it is also naiive,
irrational, and un intelligent. IF you take off your party blinders, you will se things alot more clearly. BTW – I am a libertarian who is for Obama, not a righty.
LeftCoastCurmudgeonMay 23rd, 2008 - 6:12 pm
Geez … a politician running for office “stretched the facts”
Who’d a thunk THAT could ever happen!
~LCC
TulokMay 23rd, 2008 - 6:35 pm
Ok Homey, how about you follow your own advice and instead of criticizing my omission of a comma tell me what was FACTUALLY incorrect about my statement? Had more democrats been elected they WOULD have had the votes necessary to start troop withdrawals.
xdemMay 23rd, 2008 - 7:06 pm
Tulok, do you agree with the Liberation Theology that was taught at Senator Obama’s church that he attended for 20 years? Rev Wright considers himself a disciple of James Cone, author of “A black theology of liberation” Cone wrote, “If God is not for the black race and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him.”
GLCMay 23rd, 2008 - 7:10 pm
I am a Republican female lawyer.
I have known from the start that the Democrats used the strategy that if they won the elections they would end the war. I also knew they were lying about it. I also knew that the Democrats wanted the United States of America to lose the war just so that they could gain power. How pathetic is that?
Many democrats in elected government positions were, in my mind, traitors to this country because they argued vehemently that we lose the war. How sad. The Clintons exemplify this kind of power-hungry attitude–a kind of thirst for personal power and gain that runs completely contrary to the good of the country. The Democrats DO NOT CARE ABOUT THIS COUNTRY–THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR OWN PERSONAL POWER.
TO HECK WITH THEM.
TulokMay 23rd, 2008 - 7:13 pm
“Tulok, do you agree with the Liberation Theology that was taught at Senator Obama’s church that he attended for 20 years? Rev Wright considers himself a disciple of James Cone, author of ‘A black theology of liberation’ Cone wrote, ‘If God is not for the black race and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him.’”
For those that watched any of the speeches or ads the Dems ran during the 06 Elections, the War was all they ran on. (Look at what they did to Joe Lieberman too.) Peolosi was in the papers talking about pulling out right away as the number one mission, but like all things they use the war to run on and only screw it up worse, then run on it next election, like Social Security, energy policy etc.
What the dems really got elected on was the GOP money and sex scandals, though the Dems are worse on both of those, and their propagandizing for our enemies puts our country more at risk and turns propaganda against our soldiers too. Some of the Dems accept that all because their only goal is their own political power and influence. The war is a means to their ends either way, and they don’t want to lose it. Others just buy all the stuff the Dem Party puts out at face value and either don’t see or don’t want to see the problems there. People need to wake up, the Dem leadership is only out for themselves.
KansasGirlMay 23rd, 2008 - 8:39 pm
Now what are you peaceloving Dems got to say? There is nothing loving about you people. Your motto is “the ends justify the means”. BARF!
TulokMay 23rd, 2008 - 8:43 pm
Josh P: Read what I said above. Obviously the democrats ran on an anti-war platform. No one is disputing that. What I take exception to is the idea that they promised to end the war knowing that they couldn’t because that was not the case.
And again, it’s important to note that the only thing stopping democrats from ending the war is republican opposition.
Had every democrat who ran in 2006 been elected, I am fully confident we would not have the huge presence we have in Iraq right now. Thankfully this will be corrected in November.
And really, do republicans want to get into a discussion about campaign platforms? I recall George Bush running on a platform of limited government and no nation-building. What happened o that?
xdemMay 23rd, 2008 - 9:36 pm
A vote for obama is a vote for James Cones ideas of Liberation Theology. Nothing good can come from 20 years of soaking up Cones racist idealogy through Rev Wright sermons. Liberals feel, they don’t think or use critical thought.
xdemMay 23rd, 2008 - 9:48 pm
Tulok, Yes I have another question. Would you prefer the vegetable medley or a side salad with the house dressing?
TulokMay 23rd, 2008 - 9:56 pm
“A vote for Obama is a vote for James Cones ideas of Liberation Theology. Nothing good can come from 20 years of soaking up Cones racist idealogy through Rev Wright sermons. Liberals feel, they don’t think or use critical thought.”
Excuse me, are we discussing politics or are we playing six degree of Kevin Bacon?
According to your “critical thought” Obama’s views = Cones’ views because…
1. Obama went to church.
2. Wright was the pastor of that church.
3. Wright “considers himself a disciple of Cone’s.”
4. Cones wrote “If God is not for the black race and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him.â€
…therefore Obama believes what Cones believes?
That’s 4 degrees of separation between Obama and Cones’ statement. No rational person would believe Obama believes that given all the evidence to the contrary.
If that’s your idea of critical thought then I’ll gladly concede I’m not a critical thinker.
PaleRyderMay 23rd, 2008 - 10:16 pm
Dear Tulok, Sorry about the confusing issue of punctuation,I’ll be more careful.The fact is,the dems promised to end the war and never once ever attempted to bring it to the house floor.You can say more damning to repubs all you want,but I have to say damning to both parties.In the last 7 years we’ve had both parties in control and nothing has been corrected or handled.One big difference ,though,is the outright lies by our national media and the way they have cowtowed to a single party and their philosophy.Nancy and Harry have proven how inept they are and how they are willing to sit on issues for the sake of an election fraud once again.The congressional ratings are actually worse than Bush’s ratings,go figure. The fact that the best this party now has to offer is obama,says all we need to know about what is left of the dem party.Actually,there is nothing as far left as the dem party.Its to late to salvage it this year,the cause is lost.
[...] here’s a little more smoke and mirrors from the Democratic party — Rep. Kanjorski admits the Democrats Over-Promised on Iraq: Rep. Kanjorski: “That if we won the Congressional elections, we could stop the war. Now [...]
Fact: Obama said that Wright was a mentor and his spiritual leader. Fact:Obama said Wright brought him to Christ with his teaching. Fact:Wright’s version of the Holy Spirit promotes race baiting, racial facism and the moral superiority of black because of their race. Fact: Wright declares Whites are the cause of all Black problems and are morally inferior.
Obama attended his church for 20 years.
Therefore Obama is a follower of an insame racist pseudo Christian cult.
Nice try Tulok, but I’m afraid your education is lacking. Even better you have the flavor of pseudo education from an NEA influenced school.
TulokMay 23rd, 2008 - 11:04 pm
“The fact is, the dems promised to end the war and never once ever attempted to bring it to the house floor. You can say more damning to repubs all you want, but I have to say damning to both parties.
In the last 7 years we’ve had both parties in control and nothing has been corrected or handled.”
Sorry PaleRyder, you’re irrefutably wrong on this. The democrats HAVE been pushing legislation to end the war and it HAS been getting shot down by the republicans. Mostly recently here -> http://tinyurl.com/yrnz2x
It’s pretty clear which party in congress is trying to end the war and which party is pushing for its continuation.
The fact is Bush’s veto power and the narrow democratic majority means making dramatic change is currently pretty difficult. No worries though, both issues will be fixed this November.
FredoMay 23rd, 2008 - 11:06 pm
Democrat bufoons. The Republicans tried to tell us that those lousy democrats were lying through their rotten teeth, and look at ‘em now. They are going to do it again in a presidential election.
TulokMay 23rd, 2008 - 11:31 pm
Fact: Obama said that Wright was a mentor and his spiritual leader. Fact:Obama said Wright brought him to Christ with his teaching. Fact:Wright’s version of the Holy Spirit promotes race baiting, racial facism and the moral superiority of black because of their race. Fact: Wright declares Whites are the cause of all Black problems and are morally inferior.
Obama attended his church for 20 years.
Therefore Obama is a follower of an insame racist pseudo Christian cult.
Teddy: You’re confusing some facts with your opinions. That’s error one. Secondly, none of your “facts” say anything about Obama’s personal beliefs. You know what does though? His actions and his words, both of which are anything but radical.
Here’s a “fact” for you: You’re willing to believe anything negative about Obama to justify your preconceptions, no matter how flimsy the logic is behind it.
The guilt by association tactic is BS and people aren’t buying it. Obama has shown he is his own man and not defined by his pastor.
What ARE people concerned with? The FACT that McCain is now parroting Bush’s failed policies. It’s not the associations that matter, it’s the actions.
Democrats lying to win elections? No way! Next you’re going to tell me that the earth is not flat.
BrockMay 24th, 2008 - 1:44 am
Liar Liar Pants on Fire.
Politicians, What a Joke.
Isn’t technology wonderfull. Don’t you know that this video was NEVER meant to be posted. Just a quiet inside joke, revealing a taste of the truth.
><”:’;@!#$%
Tulok,thisisforyou.
Soldado AmericanoMay 24th, 2008 - 1:53 am
I wonder what Tulok and friends will do and say when, even if the Dems bring the troops home, the war will not end?
Fanatsy is a terrible thing when its deflatd.
Jim MorrisonMay 24th, 2008 - 6:20 am
As a reformed democrat,I know their game.To most Dem’s,the end justifies the means.They create most of the problems that they are constantly whining about.Can you say co-dependent?
Give this guy(Rep. Kanjorski)a medal, get him to resign, and get him into witness protection! Stat!
dswilliMay 24th, 2008 - 8:19 am
Good plan Tulok, just let the terrorist’s win in Iraq and Afghanistan. Just run home and act like everything will be alright. Know this, if we cut and run in Iraq/Afghanistan no one will stand with us when car bombs become a normal part of life in America. Appeasement does not work, ask the 6 million Jews killed in the Holocaust about the advantages of appeasement. Try fixing that in November.
PFNMay 24th, 2008 - 9:24 am
To be reminded that the Democrats DID run on the issue of Iraq– listen to Pelosi’s victory speech. And try not to vomit too often as you do–
Naive, gullible, uninformed and easily manipulated.
JoshMay 24th, 2008 - 11:00 am
Political Manderins our politicans will say anything to get elected . I think if we had public lynchings when we catch our government elected officals selling out our country the politicans would think twice before bending to special interests. I guess we are on the road to facism and do not even know it.
Gregory ScottMay 24th, 2008 - 6:37 pm
Tulok, I wouldn’t get all excited, thinking that rationality is totally on your side there. Maybe you’ve got some biases that you can’t see, too. And maybe those biases are a little more insidious and hard to see than the simplistic ones that you cleverly point out about those who disagree with you. I hope we can at least agree to the word “maybe” here, because I’m stepping across the boundary of my views a bit in order to agree with you— we should at least agree on something.
TulokMay 25th, 2008 - 3:39 am
Gregory: What can I say, this site is (designed to be) polarizing. No one is free from their own perspective but some try harder than others to recognize and adjust for personal bias.
But please, if you disagree with something I’ve said, refute it. I’m not too stubborn to admit when I’m wrong in light of new information.
Finally,a democrat tells the truth about their intent from the 06 elections.This has been the biggest bunch of do nothing dolts I’ve ever seen in congress.Oh wait,I forgot,we now know that Clemens probably used steroids while pitching,glad we cleared up that important investigation.Problem is they have been lying for years and the people eat it up.They have no intention of resolving issues,if resolved they won’t have any more things to piss and moan about when they run for reelection.When you tell the truth about a voting record,its dirty campaigning,don’t dare talk about anything obama has been involved in..wouldn’t want to really po the islamo-facists left in the party.Lets just hurry up and turn the US over to the UN so we can really fix our issues,beings they are so credible and all.Look at the platform Gorbachov ran on when he became leader of the old USSR,he was actually more capitalistic friendly then the current crop running the DNC.Lets repeat all the failures of the last 200 years because we know better how to do it…snatch defeat from the jaws of victory that is.